Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Vaxkiller]

/confirm

[Vaxkiller]

pine, you're going to be so fucking sorry you didn't pick me to be on your team...sooooo fucking sorry...

mastina, fate, pisskop, pine - calling it now

My first thought on this was yes. It makes sense. Its waht we are all thinking. Pine is going to pick some good players (dreal does not say this, but its waht _I_ was thinking, I also I focused on was fate, im assuming he is a good player from all the hoopla in the signup thread)

So I thought, lets lynch fate, if that flips town we lynch dreal.

BUT dreal is a good player as well, and this seems like distancing. I see dreal put alot of emotion when trying to convince people in his arguments.

Mastinas post 48 and subsequent posts seem town to me. THey could really use a TLDR tho.

I think its scummy that dreal calls out his scum list and then afterward he finds mastinas behavior scummy.

mastin already out in front of it scumming it up! lovely!!!

if you dig further you can see that I was scum with pine and SAJ recently (in the same game) and it is likely there is no way pine would have picked either of us based on that game's performance, which is too bad for him because that's the only scum game I've ever lost and clearly pine drafted like this:

fate
(nacho goes to camn)
mastin
(prism goes to camn)
pisskop

pine made a huge mistake letting nacho and prism team up I think

More scum posting. Instead of saying why, you just say just say shes "scumming it up" also you trying VERY VERY hard to convince us pine did not pick you, a little to hard.

I'll be on later tonight to address anything. Don't get to mad dreal, lets not AtE this game up!

VOTE: Dreal

[Vaxkiller]

One more quick thought.

Pine avatar looks like Bowser

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Dreal

VOTE: drealz

Scum is calling out his buddies?

If that were the case he would flip out

[Vaxkiller]

Voting nacho is just distracting from the game. He is not going to post any faster.

Dreals talking to pine makes me thing he is trying way to hard to make it seem like somthing only someone who is town would ahve the balls to do... but it just comes off scummy.

Pines vote him on when things starting looking bad = scum

Then all is quiet for a bit and pine jumps on the nacho distraction likes nobody's business.

[Vaxkiller]

What about voting scum????

I dont understand, you think hes scum?

[Vaxkiller]

What about voting scum????

I dont understand, you think hes scum?

Like people could be voting Nacho because they think he's scum
Telling people to unvote because "he won't show up any faster" is dumb

Soooo people think this post was over the top obvious scum?

Hola. I have limited access today, but I will check in tomorrow.

Because taht is al he posted so far.

I'm new here, but I've heard the name nacho before, so its not like hes some newbie-scum that is afraid to post.

So what about that post do you think people were voting him for?

[Vaxkiller]

with perfectly formatted citations.

MLA or APA?

[Vaxkiller]

ONE OF: Fate/Nachomamma (Fate?)
Btd6_maker
pisskop
SirCakez
Prism
Vaxkiller

drealmerz
Monokuma
Secret Agent Jin

The RealGin-N-Tonic
Aeronaut

THE OTHER OF: Nachomamma/Fate (Nacho?)

Realized I was missing one. Vaxkiller, I believe, falls under the "lack of experience" category as far as I could quickly find.

Can you explain this reads list? Like is it town from top to bot? What does "1 of" mean?

[Vaxkiller]

Now im hungry for pizza.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm trying to give everything another look through. Why? I was re-reading mastina's posts and is not giving me the same warm and fuzzy's I felt the first time reading it.

Also I'm death tunneling dreal, and there are a few people that only have not even said more than a dozen words.

Did Pine get to choose his picks all at once, or were turns taken?

[Vaxkiller]

That said I can't imagine Pine would choose people that are silent coasters

[Vaxkiller]

On my first read through of the first few pages I missed. I was left of the opinion that mastina was game solving. But re-reading through I missed parts of thier posts taht I do not like.

First off post 22 is just bad

post 26 starts off great, but then falls into the same "Why didn't pine pick me?"

post 34 more crying about not being picked.

Then alot of posting I like. With the exceptions of posts

106
224

which I cant even follow.

@mastina give a tldr on some of these, good lord.

TLDR: Good townies have no reason to be posting shit like "why didnt you choose me" it jsut creates WIFOM for no reason. and further communication with pine (like dreal is doing) just muddy's those waters further! It's not helping town and he knows better than to play like that.

I know I said I was going to revisit my death tunnel on dreal, but I cant find anything that makes me want to move my vote.

Mastina looks better as the day goes on, but I still question those earlier comments, and I don't have the same super town feeling. more of a town-lite (and liek all lite beers, does not leave me satisfied)

[Vaxkiller]

I dont remember a lot of mafia games it seems

VOTE: Nacho

Willing to sheep Pine tho

I havent read the thread Nahdia

Id probably be cheeky and avoid it anyway but theres that

^ you don't just let him get away with that scum shit "because he's fate", right? ^

Thats how it works yes


*coasts*

Best day vig shot on town Ive seen in sometime

Nacho's completely avoided me in his posting

That's guaranteed 100% Nacho scum

Nacho has COMPLETELY SKIRTED THE ISSUE OF ME and the top picks for scum out of this playerlist

Not even so much as a handwave "nah Pine wouldnt pick Fate cause hed get too much scrutiny and heat"

I backed down from my gut in camn's apartment and let scumcho coast until a surprise endgame

NOT AGAIN

NEVER AGAIN

VOTE: NACHOMAMMA8

@fate
can you walk me through the sequence of events here? THis is how I see it.

Vote nacho for no reason.
Says they (fate) have not read the thread
filler
filler
Nacho avoids me, he is scum
RAGE POST ABOUT NACHO AVOIDING ME.

How in the world do you get from point a to point b. Is there something we are missing?

[Vaxkiller]

ONE OF: Fate/Nachomamma
drealmerz
Prism
Btd6_maker
SirCakez
Vaxkiller
pisskop
Monokuma
Secret Agent Jin
The RealGin-N-Tonic
Aeronaut
THE OTHER OF: Nachomamma/Fate

What's this?

What is this?

[Vaxkiller]

I genuinely want to know why you're interacting with Pine so much, Gin

Do you think that makes him scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Thats got nothing to do with why you're mad about me catching your nacho scumbuddy, Vax

Do you have a question? Because I'll answer yours if you answer mine.

[Vaxkiller]

Fate are you upset about my post 436 or something?


You think:
nacho is scum for not talking to you..............................
I am scum..........for talking to you and not talking to pine. <---Speculation extrapolated from how you find your other scum reads
Gin is scum...................................... for talking to pine.

[Vaxkiller]

I thought you were looking forward to your "first game with Fate" gin?

What changed?

Being scum against me is that unpleasant?

How long have you been holding onto that one?

[Vaxkiller]

That's why immediately after Nacho was scumdrafted I was town drafted.

This sentence is worded in a way that makes it seem like you were there, or you know more than town should know.

[Vaxkiller]

CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SONS

THERE WILL BE PEACE WHEN YOU ARE DONE.

[Vaxkiller]

Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!

Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.

Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<

Worried?

Pine's tellign the truth here


Whichis exactly what I said

Nacho first round scum pick

Fate second round town pick

???

profit

You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?

Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.

Hate to burst your bubble.

I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?


VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.

@Fate

Found this when reading your iso:

I also never called Gin* scum, Vaxkiller

Interesting how that came out of nowhere

You wouldn't answer my question so I assumed it.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal is scum

[Vaxkiller]

@dreal
@mastina

Suppose you are scum. How would you play this game? Where would you have started?

[Vaxkiller]

I can bearly tell the difference between pines and fates posts.

[Vaxkiller]

@Fate
In response to your 929 and 957 bullshit. You are the one that is not giving a complete picture. I tried asking you a question and you dodged it, so I can only take that dodge and the previous information and take a guess at what you are thinking.
Here is what happened without fates editing:
Posts 577 578 584

I have outlined CLEARLY in my posts 436 630 633 710 why fate is scum and all he has done is yell/rant and edit posts to push his agenda. We clearly have scum caught and we need to tighten the noose.

that is why my vote is

*puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*

immobile

you don't let that live past D1, ppls!

fate can go tomorrow

zipzip

we clearly have 2 scum wagons going

fate and mastina

can we please consolidate on mastina first

fate tomorrow is much easier than mastina tomorrow

trust me please

Dreal, first off, neither of these sound town to me. it sounds like we caught your scum buddy and you are desperately trying to lynch a townie instead, an then tomorrow you will have some bullshit excuse why not to lynch fate.

Dreal, talk to me, are you seriously saying that mastina is going to be harder to lynch day 2 then fate on day 2?

[Vaxkiller]

The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.

Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!

Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.

Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.

Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<

Worried?

Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI

Pine's tellign the truth here


Whichis exactly what I said

Nacho first round scum pick

Fate second round town pick

???

profit

You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?

Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.

Hate to burst your bubble.

I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?


VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.

Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is

too rehearsed

and that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.

I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.

This post is really interesting. Before I give my thoughts, Aero, can you tell me why fate is scum to you?

[Vaxkiller]

You have three town: You, drealmerz, and BTD6.

This really bothers me.

That whole 1122 post bothers me.

[Vaxkiller]

@mastina
You con'd yourself with that post.

VOTE: mastina

Dreal, assuming mastina flips scum, you are likely town. Help me lynch fate tomorrow.

If she somehow flips town, your town read goes out the window, and I'm sure you will have some excuse for not voting fate.

[Vaxkiller]

that is one of the most fascinating VCs...

Care to share?

[Vaxkiller]

If I had to describe BTD6/Vax/Prism, it would be people you don't necessarily think are pro-town but you're putting them aside because you think your attention is better elsewhere

rofl, thats how I think you you/nacho/secret

[Vaxkiller]

Fate's reads ARE bad.

And that deception would have been brilliant, but it kind of defeats the point of the game.

I hate the situation so much, but I absolutely agree with our fucking confirmed scum here...

He just trying to fuck with your mind. Everyone knows fate is scum, so hes trying to point out the obvious to make it so its not scummy.

[Vaxkiller]

I really want to hear from

Aristo, Monokumo, and prism on what they think about mastina

dreal, sir cakez, btd6 on what they think about fate

aero, I would like to hear your current thoughts on fate and mastina

Also aero, I have not forgot about you, I jut don't have time at the moment to write something out to you.

[Vaxkiller]

Mono, is your case on fate still that he interacted with pine and that he ignored you? Or am I wrong in that assumption?

This needs to be answered because Monokumas vote sustain on me continues to be the scummiest thing in the game

You may as well pretend my vote is still on you, nothing has changed there.

[Vaxkiller]

Everyone needs to get out with thier vanity wagons.

Choose fate or mastina

[Vaxkiller]

1 shot mason? Fuck taht

Mastina you get one trucking chance so you better not screw it up. If you even think of masoning fate/aero/dreal you can just put that noose back on.

Your target dies tonight? Noose
Action failed? Noose
If you ARE town, think hard about your target.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate This needs to die.

In other news, when I get some time, I'm going to outline why I think aero is scum and dreal MAY not be. That is still up in the air.

[Vaxkiller]

I jsut took a look at mastinas read list to see who her town reads were, and realized I have zero myself. If she IS town, I have no idea who I would trust that she might pick.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you think that is supposed to be some sort of "scum slip" where I forget to include myself as a town read? Or is it just appalling that I don't have any yet?

[Vaxkiller]

Aero, get your ass back on fate, dreal, help me lynch fate and we will lynch mastina tomorrow (because I know her ability is going to fail somehow). BTD6, same goes for you about mastina

[Vaxkiller]

Vax you can pretend to be town and lynch SAJ

Is that what you are doing? Pretending?

You don't even have a good reason for voting him!!! Lurking? ROFL

[Vaxkiller]

You know, Vax.
You're being stereotypical here.

Stereotypical Vax?

What would you say to someone who claimed what you claimed at L3?

[Vaxkiller]

@nacho

You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?

[Vaxkiller]

I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.

Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.

[Vaxkiller]

You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?

The reason why people should townread me for claiming it is because it's a fucking confirmable role. If I don't confirm it, I get lynched. That simple. And tomorrow, either I'll be dead because the scum don't want an OP role like mine alive, or I'll have my target confirm that, yes, my claim is valid, at which point the options become we're scumbuddies or we're mason buddies. If you think that two of Pine's three scummates go on to claim mason D2, I'm really not sure what to tell you other than "no. Just...no".

Or your target could COINCIDENTALLY be dead tomorrow.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.

[Vaxkiller]

if she could talk herself out of getting lynched with that hot garbage, then don't you think she could talk herself out of a day 1 lynch?

touche'

I think she would at least have more fun.

Gotta go, ill be on later tonight

[Vaxkiller]

I don't like that he didn't link any "misinformation" and also that he accused Fate of not reading the thread at the same time. Like, the two kind of contradict each other, and there is no evidence provided for the former. He could have had a much more solid case had he put that effort in.

So much shit to catch up on. This one really bothered me tho. THe miss-information is the modified posts I provided.

[Vaxkiller]

i had taco bell tonight!

Roommate is bringing me a shit ton of taco bell for the night

How are you guys feeling this morning?

[Vaxkiller]

Like.
Would Vaxkiller + Secret Agent Jin + Aeronaut be plausible?
It kinda feels right to me, but I'm not sure by how much.

Pretty unlikely. Aero is rising on my scum list and dreal is falling.

[Vaxkiller]

One thing I'm looking at is Vaxkiller's Defcon iso and trying to compare it to this game, but I can't tell if it's similar or different, and how much so, and if it would be important, if it's actually relevant.

That's a pretty bad game to analyze. I felt like a little fish in a big pond. Everyone in that game knew each other and pretty much only wanted to play with each other.

[Vaxkiller]

For whats its worth, I don't have a scum read on you, but it feels weird to have you call me town when you are at (L3? im still reading)

[Vaxkiller]

@nacho

You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?

I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.

Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.

I think that this progression looked good.
Trying to walk Vaxkiller off that ledge was trying to pull a cat away from a chicken sandwich they've already sunk their teeth into; I love how he backs off a little tiny bit but still grumbles about how he still thinks she could be scum.

Its just not worth arguing today about. I would argue against lynchying her today, but I need to be clear that she needs looked at much more closely tomorrow, and I think its pretty weird how much you are town reading her.

[Vaxkiller]

BTD6 is lynch bait. The past few games I've played with him, he keeps getting lynched and he has flipped town.

[Vaxkiller]

WARNING QUOTE WALL:

Spoiler:

Yawn. Entertain me, mortals.

Heyo let's all come along,
Let us gather to hear this song,
It is a tale told far and wide,
About the scumfuck known as Pine.

He came to violate our dear camn,
To ruin her carefully concocted plan,
But here the forces of good will fight,
To destroy the evil known as Pine.

Heyo, let's all sing this song,
And in the process dump our thoughts,
To ask what we see and why,
To see through deceit and lies.

I say his ally is the yellow mouse,
His treachery shouldn't be allowed,
We should not allow him or his kind,
So full of their deceit and lies.

Heyo, let's keep going strong,
Don't be tempted to go wrong,
We're all here with a purpose to find,
Those that were corrupted by Pine.

Among their ranks is Aristophanes,
Who'd be a great lynch on this day,
I say that ending would be fine,
As it would so be damaging to Pine.

Heyo, let's lynch the Aeronaut,
Or maybe Agent Jin if not,
I say this with a sigh,
Don't be corrupted by their lies.

We can be a complacent lot,
So don't let our dear town rot,
Please I beg you to hear my cry,
You've fallen victim to deceit and lies.

This tale should not end here,
And that is my greatest fear,
That soon I will not be alive,
And you'll fall victim to the Pine.

*snaps*

And? I'm pretty sure that's what most of this game thinks, since it's you know, common sense.
Yep, I'm the only one who thinks we shouldn't let a game designed to fuck with us fuck with us, obviously. That's why nacho is the leading wagon, right?

Mafia exercise time.

This is a really fun one, I promise you.

Who here can spot the problematic nature of these two statements being placed back-to-back?

There's something very glaringly obvious in here. I could tell you at any time, but I want you to think for a sec, stretch your minds, and see if you're capable of figuring it out for yourselves.

I'm fairly certain the second half of this post is sarcastic. Like, I'd bet on that. Did you not catch that or did I miss something else in my reading of it?

I'm aware of Aeronaut being sarcastic. It's what the sarcasm is saying which contributes to the problem. The sarcasm, translated into non-sarcastic language, says, "Everyone knows this, and nobody's listened".

In the second bit? No, it translates to please stop pushing Nacho using setup spec reasoning, because it was just making you silly and tunnely. And look, it worked. You're not quibbling with us about setup spec like you're in a newbie game and actually starting to play the game instead.

The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.

Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!

Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.

Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.

Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<

Worried?

Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI

Pine's tellign the truth here


Whichis exactly what I said

Nacho first round scum pick

Fate second round town pick

???

profit

You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?

Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.

Hate to burst your bubble.

I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?


VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.

Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is

too rehearsed

and that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.

I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.

This post is really interesting. Before I give my thoughts, Aero, can you tell me why fate is scum to you?

As far as I've seen, he's not trying to solve the game, he's more just waffling around. Recently he's had a few more solidified reads on people, but even then it's minimal and not what I really thought I'd see from one of the top three people that mastina thinks should have been first round picks.

Having said that, most of the others who followed me onto this wagon did it for bad to no reasoning, so it's making me second guess it entirely.

As for why my vote's stayed the same, it's because I haven't finished reading unfortunately.

I was really bothered that you jumped off fate. TO me it kinda looked like you voted fate (your scum partner) at the beginning and then got stuck there because a wagon formed pretty quickly.
When asked you seem wishy washy about it. You are like: yeah fate could be scummy, but I dont want to lynch. This just seems like protecting to me (See above and below)

Regarding Fate, I'm currently very torn; Reading fate alone, no, I wouldn't say he's trying to solve the game. The one thing that does make me feel otherwise is his whole interaction with Nacho later on, where he says that a lot of his "scumreading" of nacho was just him trying to make nacho awkward and pressured; I honestly sort of believe that, strangely, because I usually don't believe that kind of thing. If that's true, Fate's at least doing something. Besides that, though, most of it is kind of sub-par from what he's supposedly supposed to be capable of, according to Mastina and from what I've heard in the GOAT thread.

The thing that gives me pause though is that I really hate the pushes on him. Mono's push on him was based originally on interactions with pine, and the fact that they're assuming that Fate really felt like he needed interactions with Pine, which makes zero sense from any perspective. Your push doesn't make any sense to me either, that fate of all people in this game had artificial-sounding-posting syndrome; I don't actually know Fate and haven't played with him, but his behavior in this game is lot of things that aren't that. Ari's vote was/is still there from the pisskop-times so that's useless.

That stuff worries me enough that I don't want to lynch Fate today, either. This has been a weird game in that there haven't been too many real wagons going on, which makes me feel like some of the people poorly pushing what we do have are just scum who are looking for a place to rest their vote until the day's over.

These following posts makes me hesitate however.

prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic


highly prefer monokuma, vaxkiller, aristo,

The three people you won't kill kind of intrigues me, since you were scumreading Gin for like a long time, and as far as I go, you haven't mentioned your thoughts on me once, and haven't really done much interacting with me. Why the sudden TR, or at least will to keep me around?

I wasnt scumreading Gin for a long time this misconception was already cleared up

Yes Aero!town is a new read given you actually posting and some of mastinas vca

It's a ballzy move for scum!aero to post the above to scum!fate and then back, so not im not so sure (about the association)

Can I ask why you chose those specific people to talk about those people respectively?

Looking for associations. Also some people have expressed thier thoughts on one or the other and I wanted to make sure were still true, or get reasons for them not being so.
Not everyone answered.

[Vaxkiller]

Voting secret agent jin is about the least town thing you can do at the moment. WTF is anyone even voting him? You are just handing scum an easy lynch that they wont ever have to explain thier vote on because he is MIA for 3 days.

[Vaxkiller]

I did read the Jam session. You are just going to assume that everyone there "figuring" stuff out is town and that the game is solved?

There were some interesting bits, but Jin is an AWFUL lynch

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah no, we went into the intent of posts to see what we thought was the true motivations behind it.

Great! Now we are getting somewhere. Explain to me fates motivation on all his posts, and when you cant come over to the fate wagon.

[Vaxkiller]

Don't disappoint camn

[Vaxkiller]

Also, not your guy, buddy.

[Vaxkiller]

What's wrong with or plan seriously?

Well the biggest one I see is assuming everyone "Jamming" last night is town. The other is ignoring fate. I don't get it, everyone seems to think he is scummy, but doesn't want to vote him.

[Vaxkiller]

8 hours Vax, 450 posts of meaty game solving content. You just don't do that as scum.

I don't see why you couldn't, especially day 1.

Besides, most of us do not have that type of time to devote to anything, so how is the AI?

[Vaxkiller]

What are your specific criticisms with {Gin, Mastina, me, Aristo}?

I like that you are working things out, but you guys seem to think that you are all now super-town-game-

solvers

-solved because you were able to talk through everyone together for a long period of time.

The post below is basically saying you are going to be unwilling to listen or change your mind on these thoughts... thats not very town to me.

The reads I feel confident in are Mastina, Gin, and Aristo. I will defend these reads to the death and if you're skeptical about them, then my posts will be more geared towards convincing then listening because getting townreads of this strength is very strange and not something I let go easily (and if other people do not stupidly lynch any of those players then we win the game). If you're trivial in the rest, good; talk to me about them. Provide an alternative. If you don't, sorry the lynch is going through.

[Vaxkiller]

@nacho
I understand where you are coming from, and I feel the same way about my reads, and have a pride int hem as well. But I am bringing up specific issues, just not the ones you want me to bring up (you want me to bring up specific posts and reads I disagree with while I have been pointing out just because you guys "scum hunted" last night for 8 hours doesnt mean you are all town.

You mention paranoia and reads going back and forth but these are all things that happen during any game - just stretched out over a longer time.

[Vaxkiller]

EBWOP
Picking up from:
... doesnt mean you are all town

and game is solved.

[Vaxkiller]

Thank god, can we go back to trying to lynch scum now?

[Vaxkiller]

@aero, you brought attention back to me dreal read, and now I feel like I need to revisit it again.

[Vaxkiller]

Oh goody! I don't think I've gotten to lynch Katsuki in a long time!

But your voting gin and tonic

[Vaxkiller]

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Just in case everyone is not aware.. L2 = L1 in this game (unless pine is already on a wagon.)

[Vaxkiller]

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCMENT L1=L1 IN THIS GAME

PINE IS A TREESTUMP AND THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE

Which is why I've been flippant with my vote.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Obvious WIFOM.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 3 ( Katsuki, BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, Pine ) L- 4 3 ( Katsuki, BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, Pine ) L- 4

I fell so dumb right now. Can we just move on and not talk about this.

[Vaxkiller]

Rofl,

I really want to interact with Pine so bad, but I feel like it doesn't help town to add WIFOM to the game, so I have been avoiding it.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you think they just decided to bus Jin, since he stopped posting? Plausible.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you think they just decided to bus Jin, since he stopped posting? Plausible.

This was my reasoning for why I thought SAJ was a tossup. Scum saw it and is running with it regardless of what it is.

Yeah, I actually see it now, I mean 0 effort was put into that 2nd post, just blind buddying. Lets watch them distance now.

[Vaxkiller]

Dude!

[Vaxkiller]

Wow.

Fate/katsuki scum team.

Make sure ot look into aero for the 3rd

[Vaxkiller]

Wait I thought that was hammer?

[Vaxkiller]

Who the fuck would we protect u and y would you even try and claim like you are worth protecting? You sure as fuck are not a target tonight, mostly because you are scum, but secondly because even if you are by some gods miracle town, you are sure as hell are not going to be the target because everyone thinks your scummy. THis is just more scum bullshit from u. There are more worthwhile targets out to save out there...

[Vaxkiller]

Why

[Vaxkiller]

Im drunk, so now the time to ask questions if you dont want answers that require looking up shit and finding it.

[Vaxkiller]

why do you think it is more okay to not read the game as town than scum?

I'm too tired right now to explain this, because a serious answer would take too many words. Long story short, it takes exponentially more effort to play as scum (assuming you're a competent player with a proper understanding of how to play mafia).

Fate can explain the rest for me.

I'll explain it. Town can be lazy and still win, but scum have to work to pretend to be town.

Pretty bad argument tho, because scum/town can do anything and argue thier reasons later.

[Vaxkiller]

meh, I'll take the egg on the face if Im wrong here

Its got 60% to do with Katsuki and 40% to do with the rest of the game state and how the wagon built

Fate, why don't you give us a run-down of how the wagon was built then?

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not going to allow a no lynch, so calm the fuck down. My goal is to write up a detailed report on fate so we can lynch him today.

[Vaxkiller]

Idiots.

I want to believe the above. Can we please go back to lynching fate?

[Vaxkiller]

Idiots.

I feel like I'm doing Pines job.

[Vaxkiller]

Pushes nacho418 432 becase he is being ignored by said player. Escalated from that post to the next 10000%

Wants to know why Gin as interating with Pine so much.575 I ask fate if he thinks that might make him scum. He refuses to answer. 577 through 584 Because he doesn't answer, I make an assumption. His follow up post tries to float an idea out there that I "made up" information. 594

I'm going out of order now, because he references this interaction later, and look at how he tries to frame the situation:

ok Ill indulge you scumbear

I asked Pine a question, just fishing for any sort of reaction and was willing to play a bit of WIFOM game. If theres one thing Ive honed over the years its whether someone actually believes the shit they're typing. His response was geniune
I was busy as fuck as mentioned before, I also don't recall there being anything to follow up on? He answered it saying something, and that was enough for me to see what I had asked the question for

You asked me a bunch of times like a scumfuck harping on something so trivial like it was PIVOTAL. These are the sort of straws that scum grasp at HENCE THE WAGON ON YOU. you goan die gurl.

Now about Gin, Nacho's addressed this but Gin has gone back and forth gumming up the thread at times and I wanted to know why so I asked him. "Throwing shade" is complete bullshit.

See here's the

THE REAL FATE PLAY BY PLAY

Fate: I genuinely want to know whyyoure interacting with Pine so much, Gin.
Vaxscumfuck: Y U THINK HES SCUM IS HE SCUM CAN WE LYNCH IT?
Fate: [Thoughts: wow Vax is scum here huh...] *vague nonanswer cheekiness about Vax being scum*
Vaxscumkillstownieatnight: LOL FATE THROWN SHADE THATS REAL SUSS YO
Fate: hehheHEHAHEAHAHA
Scumbear: WOWFATE BEEN THROWN SHADE AT GIN FO DAT? HE IZ SCUM YO SPECIALLLY SINCE THIS OTHER SHITTY REASON I HAS BEEN PRIMING UP


You're all welcome.

Monokuma+Vax 2017

Friggin awful. Tries to take it to Quentin Tarantino over the top level to seem like upset town, but we all know the truth.

Here is fate with more obfuscation on the same posts:

I'm waiting for Gin's answer

I don't have a question for you. I don't negotiate with terrorists

I also never called Gin* scum, Vaxkiller

Interesting how that came out of nowhere

^HERES PROOF OF ME NEVER THROWING SHADE ON GIN

so

where'd that come from scumbear?

Vaxkiller's posts or skimming?

Either way MONOSCUM IS SCUM IS MONO

SirCakez if you don't post actual coherency or reasons for what you're gaining from these points being pushed forth

You are not long

for this world. You'll be tied with an icy chain to Monokuma's legs and dragged

draggged

down

628 sounds so forced, and obviously been holding onto that one forever. The post would be mostly AI except he adds the accusation of the other person being scum inside it as if to add to the validity of that person being scum.



Worried fate explains his interactions with Pine: 931 Curiously, after this post he interacts with pine much less.

Jin/Katuski near lynch was either bussing or scum taking advantage of a player not being able to defend themselves. Here is what fate posts when voting Jin:

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

Hell of a lot better than a me-lynch thats for sure

Doesn't mention any other reasons. Then when Katsuki replaces in, boom, vote for Mono, no reasons. Either he knew Katsuki was a competent town player and didnt want to mess with him, or he had no interest in bussing a competent (or at least available) scum player.


Throughout the entire game fate has shown a complete disregard for logic, or posting actual thought-process of how someone can be town/scum, he makes pushes with little to no information, and when information is provided, it is usually his "made up version of things" (see above)

CAN WE PLEASE lynch this now?

[Vaxkiller]

Nacho, I'd still prefer lynching Katsuki.

Over mono, yes, over fate? No

[Vaxkiller]

Think of it another way, a vote for fate lets us lynch scum and stops my death tunnel.

We have had multiple flash wagons, time to analyze these bad boys.

[Vaxkiller]

The problem with BTD is he lurks as town and (probably scum?) I dont think I have seen his scum game.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm glad you guys pressured him into saying SOMETHING tho

[Vaxkiller]

Ok, Lets lynch fate, then, if by some MIRACLE he flips town, we lynch his #1 scum pick.

[Vaxkiller]

I just remembered the difference in the wagons we've had.
Me? Claimed my role.
Monokuma? Claimed their role. (And I'm willing to buy it.)
Katsuki? Got away without roleclaiming.
BTD6_maker? Is getting away without roleclaiming. Just the generic "you're making a huge mistake!", and I just remembered that a while ago, when I was doing my research on BTD6...I encountered him saying that same thing, as scum, to lessen the pressure on him. (It worked. In fact, he won that game.)

ROFL! You want everyone to fucking role claim day 1! We have enough as it is.

[Vaxkiller]

BTD6 claimed? Fucking great. Vote Fate

[Vaxkiller]

I would suggest you do the same. I'm jsut a few pages behind, catching up. You wanna bitch about someone not reading go complain to katsuki.

[Vaxkiller]

2442.

Thanks for not lnking whtever u wanted me to look at.

post 2442

[Vaxkiller]

Wow, all that for that post?

[Vaxkiller]

What you guys dont understand is that I GET this is fates personality and this is how he plays. What you are all friggin MISSING however is every time he does this shit in this game, its forced and not genuine.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm so sorry I include EVERYTHING in my posts of why you are scum. You pull out the weakest part of my argument to invalidate the rest.

[Vaxkiller]

Why Gin would feel the need to CC in this scenario?

1) It's not exactly a super powerful role that scum absolutely wants off the table no matter the cost.
2) Gin is in a good position and putting himself in a hard CC would be weird just to get you lynched.

Pretty sure lynching BTD is the right call here.

100% agree.

Sorry for not being read up, now I see what happened! lol!

[Vaxkiller]

Intent to hammer if anyone has anything to say.

[Vaxkiller]

Intent to hammer if anyone has anything to say.

Count the votes. He should be well dead.

But go for it if you like

Oh yeah, Fate hammered for cred.

[Vaxkiller]

Can everyone agree to lynch Gin after my flip?

Nope

y not?

[Vaxkiller]

But they both have differing opinions of the rules for their role.

[Vaxkiller]

Sounds like a scum gambit to me if BTD flips town.

I mean basically we are saying "There is no way scum would CC, so he cant be scum" meanwhile scum r laughing it up in the scum PT.

[Vaxkiller]

Nacho supreme

[Vaxkiller]

I haven't reread Vax but I'm betting they're scum with mastina.

Why do you think that?

[Vaxkiller]

Why is prism town again?

[Vaxkiller]

so...? what? Or did you mean "so wrong"

[Vaxkiller]

So Gin and BTD both claimed eavesdropper did I read that correct?

Fate: "This is the first time I'm hearing of this"

[Vaxkiller]

Sigh,

Yes, BTD6 claimed and Gin CC'd. Gine "corrected" BTD6 about the specifics of the role (according to gin) and BTD6 said he was wrong, it IS exactly how gin described it. BTD6 seemed to think Gin knew about these specifics of his role because he is scum and pine knew about the role before hand.

[Vaxkiller]

At first I was mad mastina choose gin to mason, (actually I still am) But everything else makes sense.

VOTE: katsuki

[Vaxkiller]

Dreals 2935 looks like his scum game(yells to try and show his point)

[Vaxkiller]

Up until that post I would ahve rather lynched fate

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

[Vaxkiller]

How are you alive?

[Vaxkiller]

Does everyone really think they would target nacho?

[Vaxkiller]

Then you explain it dreal, would also liek to hear from fate.

[Vaxkiller]

assuming since mastina used their ability successfully we got roleblocked

YOU?!?!?! Get roleblokced and mastinas goes through??????

[Vaxkiller]

Does mastinas ability confirm you as town?

[Vaxkiller]

Mason is confirm town

[Vaxkiller]

Has ability to talk to other ppl in mason group, can sometimes target other ppl to join

[Vaxkiller]

I'm asking becase mastina mentioned two differnt types of ablities and one was one that confirmed that person was town, the other did not

[Vaxkiller]

SO my 2946 and 2948 and just distancing?

Katsuki ------------

5 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, Fate, Nachomamma8, Aristophanes, )

TheRealGin-N-Tonic -

3 ( Katsuki, BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, Pine )

L- 4

Fate ---------------

2 ( SirCakez, Vaxkiller, )

L- 5

b] Not Voting - [/b] 3 ( Monokuma, Prism, Aeronaut, )

^This was the peak of the Katsuki wagon D1. Gin, Nacho, Aristophanes, and I are all town, so the

only

possible scum on the wagon would be Fate.
On the Fate wagon, SirCakez is town; if there's scum there, it's Vaxkiller.
On the Gin wagon, Katsuki is scum; drealmerz remains possible scum.
And in Not Voting, you've got Monokuma, Prism, and Aeronaut (who moved off of Fate).

Honestly I don't really think Monokuma is scum and I REALLY don't think Prism is scum.
Aeronaut and Fate don't feel like scum; if I were doing just my own reads, it'd be Vaxkiller and drealmerz as the scum this game.

[Vaxkiller]

Eh, walk me through the scum motive behind Drealmerz, mastina. I don't really see that at all.

Probably because your acting like possible scum with him.


But who am I to say this? Im still confused too

[Vaxkiller]

Does mastinas ability confirm you as town?

Yes, but it remains unproven as long as we're both alive.

An inventor involves three players: the inventor, their giftee, and their giftee's target.
My role involves only two.

Of course, there's no actual guarantee of what the scum's roles are. They might not actually HAVE a roleblocker. That was my assumption...but it was my assumption when I was assuming Pine only got to pick one scum role, which we later learned was not the case.

Off of the power of the town's roles, I'd even say we definitely don't.
BTD6 was one-shot.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic was one-shot.
I was one-shot.
Nacho was one-shot.
Monokuma gifts out one-shots.

All of these suggest scum don't actually have a roleblocker, because making every role one-shot when the scum have a roleblocker is not a fucking design decision any sane mod would willingly do.

But they could have let mono gift out a 1 shot and killed him tomorrow, you are a 1 shot BUT confirm the other person is town (according to you)

[Vaxkiller]

We confirmed but we have been the most productive townies regardless, we are going to die N2 and N3 regardless of being conf! or not.

Would you roleblock a person that you were going to kill anyways or would you roleblock someone who could give inventions to other players in which they can catch scum?

according to gin*

[Vaxkiller]

Im here for another 10-15 min, but i have to pass out soon. Im trying to think thorugh all this.

[Vaxkiller]

Then you explain it dreal, would also liek to hear from fate.

I really hate how dreal showed up and was super angry about everyone buying into mastina/gin without explaining it.

[Vaxkiller]

mono has questions first

[Vaxkiller]

Gin can you give your thoughts on what happened yesterday with BTD6?

[Vaxkiller]

I get it that thier acting like assholes, but I would still like to hear your explanation of how you think everything went down.

[Vaxkiller]

What do you think of katsuskis claim?

[Vaxkiller]

I still think we have more to discuss

[Vaxkiller]

I mean we didnt even get to hear from fate, I would have really liked to hear his opinion

[Vaxkiller]

Mastina, what was the point of fucking masonizing gin? You were town reading him and no one else was (to my knowledge) It just seems super suspicious.

I really think mono would have been a much better choice to prove your "town-ness"

[Vaxkiller]

Well, I feel the same as you, I wanted to be targeted as well.

[Vaxkiller]

Im a crazy or when I read mastina death post 20 min ago it said off night?

[Vaxkiller]

odd

[Vaxkiller]

Their saying it doesn't fucking make you town

[Vaxkiller]

HEY MY BAD!

I mis - flipped. MASTINA WAS ODD NIGHT

It's like I was seeing the future.

Im a crazy or when I read mastina death post 20 min ago it said off

(odd)

night?

[Vaxkiller]

W/e i'm getting lynched today clearly.

If there's really a live masonizer in the game still, then we've got the win anyway.

I wonder if fate!scum would try and save you.

[Vaxkiller]

Gin is pretyt much conf town for me at this point as is Mono. Its nice to have some clear town reads.

Still worried about dreal/fate, havent heard from them lately.

[Vaxkiller]

Im ready to vote, but I REALLY want to hear from dreal and fate, if you guys really want we can wait till the next day.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

see, he knows i'm town.

This guy gets it!

Aeros a confirmed mafia stump like pine (for the rest of the day)

[Vaxkiller]

I can!

[Vaxkiller]

I'm trying to think of something cool to say when I do it.

[Vaxkiller]

BTW it doesnt sound like fate is going to post at all.

[Vaxkiller]

Yup, Fate and I scum parters, ask pine to confirm

[Vaxkiller]

I asked my Echo to order a hammer, it is supposed to arrive Wednesday.

[Vaxkiller]

Assume scum and give us your thoughts. Or assume we lynched a townie and give us your thoughts

TLDR Give us your thoughts

[Vaxkiller]

Fate > Dreal > Prism/Cakez

[Vaxkiller]

No fucking way it's Gin IMO. Why bus Aero there? He wasn't very suspected.

VOTE: Fate
Wanted this dead for so long now

Not more than me.

VOTE: Fate

[Vaxkiller]

It's kind of my job

Whats it pay?

[Vaxkiller]

@gin, I think dreal is pissed because you wont even acknowledge that you being scum is POSSIBLE. You are not confirmed, its just incredibly unlikely, and you acting like an innocent child is not helping.

He could also be pissed because his whole scum team just went bye bye, but I feel some of his posts seem pretty genuine. This could just be me tunneling fate still, but I just dont see fate as town in this game.

@dreal

yep, I think it is POSSIBLE

more likely than a lot of other scenarios

You say its POSSIBLE, but how can you think its more likely than other scenarios?

[Vaxkiller]

^Pine trying to play the game forgetting he is supposed to troll.

[Vaxkiller]

Witty remark

[Vaxkiller]

A bomb? Think about this, it sounds incredibly town sided setup so far.

[Vaxkiller]

Somethings off. Im horrible at setup, but somethings off

[Vaxkiller]

It sure as fuck doesnt revolve around you like you think it does Gin

[Vaxkiller]

I mean wahts your problem?

Oh wait.

WHATS THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THIS< SINCE ITS THE ONLY WAY YOU TALK TO ME?

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, don't be a dumb.

Ok, but stop being an asshole.

Also I'm just asking questions and you have been non-stop asshole all game.

You and mastina "jamming" in your town bloc makes you town. Seriously. Explain again why you are CONFIRMED town? You put your self in the same fucking category as people who have flipped, as if its mod fucking confirmed. Since fate claimed is he fucking confirmed town too?


Great now your just spamming chat. real helpful.

[Vaxkiller]

@gin, I think dreal is pissed because you wont even acknowledge that you being scum is POSSIBLE. You are not confirmed, its just incredibly unlikely, and you acting like an innocent child is not helping.

i AM A CONFIRMED TOWN ROLE THAT BUSTED AERO AND WAS ABLE TO DIRECTLY COUNTERCLAIM BTD6 WITH MY ROLE. HOW IN THE FUCK AM I NOT CONFIRMED.

[Vaxkiller]

If this game makes it to lylo you need looked at. Other than that your just being an ass

[Vaxkiller]

I really didnt want to waste time arguing about it either, but it needs put out there. I'm also confused how you keep claiming town due to your role. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Here are more inconsistencies.

@gin, I think dreal is pissed because you wont even acknowledge that you being scum is POSSIBLE. You are not confirmed, its just incredibly unlikely, and you acting like an innocent child is not helping.

i AM A CONFIRMED TOWN ROLE THAT BUSTED AERO AND WAS ABLE TO DIRECTLY COUNTERCLAIM BTD6 WITH MY ROLE. HOW IN THE FUCK AM I NOT CONFIRMED.

Mastina fakeclaimed Masonizer, Aero "knew he was the back up masonizer" so he warded off the votes on Mastina for that reason. Now he claims neighborizer which is a different role.

-Credits to Mono

[Vaxkiller]

I mean WHY does it hurt to talk about these things. You get all angry when I say your not confirmed town instead of jsut stating either:

1. Waht you mean by confirmed town
2. Why you are confirmed town.

[Vaxkiller]

Did I miss you pointing it out first? I mean you gave credit to mono, then took credit back the next day.

[Vaxkiller]

Dont waste your time, just answer the simple questions. I get how INCREDIBLE UNLIKELY IT WOULD BE TO BUS YOUR 2 PARTNERS, but you say stuff like the above, and it rubs me the wrong way.

[Vaxkiller]

AIN'T THAT JUST FUCKING CUTE

Gin is pretyt much conf town for me at this point as is Mono. Its nice to have some clear town reads.

Its amazing how much you have done to that read.

Theres more inconsistency in your post, but no one gives a fuck (even dreal) so:

VOTE: dreal

if he starts looking town, then cakez

[Vaxkiller]

How many more lynches do we get before lylo?

[Vaxkiller]

Scum team while gin and I fight:



I gotta get some sleep, later guys

[Vaxkiller]

Good game! had a blast! Very very nice setup camn! Fun playing with all of you

[Vaxkiller]

I kinda thought Pine's evil pine avatar kinda looked like Bowser with the spikes and the eyes. I'd like to see even more cross-over.

[Vaxkiller]

You fucks wouldve nokilled until happily ever after huh

Hows that work exactly? At some point someone has to make a move.

Also, fate, you played great, sorry for my Tunnel VIsion on you earlier!

[Vaxkiller]

rofl