I don't think it was a question for you thoIn post 797, ironstove wrote:TrueIn post 763, Alisae wrote:True or False: In your opinion Ironstove is lynchbait.In post 761, Pepchoninga wrote:I think gerry and his sheeps are doing a perfectly fine job at that tho.In post 758, Alisae wrote:LOL You just said the reason why you should vote him: to step up his game.
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I am not trying to convince you he is town.In post 787, Pepchoninga wrote:
Show me one post thst should convince us that Ram is town den.In post 782, Manuel87 wrote:
Show me one post in his Iso that should convice me he is town.In post 777, Transcend wrote:gerryoat is town
But if you want you can look at his whole exchange with you. Thats what my townread is mainly based on.
In post 785, gerryoat wrote: How about instead, you give your case on me. Town would do that and not just say you SR me.Spoiler:-
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You say all the people, but i asking why you excluded me in post i originally quoted?In post 799, Pepchoninga wrote:
I find hem bad, cuz basically all the people I'm not liking atm are there.In post 796, Ramcius wrote:
no, only when i see my name, cause in other post you said he's TRs reads are bad, plurality, in post i quoted you question only read on me, what happened to other TR reads?In post 792, Pepchoninga wrote:
No I wanna see what makes him TR you because I don't. Are you picking on me for everything now?In post 789, Ramcius wrote:
Why you so biased on me? Cause this time i'm not on your side and i'm questioning your actions?In post 787, Pepchoninga wrote:
Show me one post thst should convince us that Ram is town den.In post 782, Manuel87 wrote:
Show me one post in his Iso that should convice me he is town.In post 777, Transcend wrote:gerryoat is town
I ask first about you, then if I find a need I will ask about some of the other too ^^-
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Elaborate please.In post 803, Ramcius wrote:
You say all the people, but i asking why you excluded me in post i originally quoted?In post 799, Pepchoninga wrote:
I find hem bad, cuz basically all the people I'm not liking atm are there.In post 796, Ramcius wrote:
no, only when i see my name, cause in other post you said he's TRs reads are bad, plurality, in post i quoted you question only read on me, what happened to other TR reads?In post 792, Pepchoninga wrote:
No I wanna see what makes him TR you because I don't. Are you picking on me for everything now?In post 789, Ramcius wrote:
Why you so biased on me? Cause this time i'm not on your side and i'm questioning your actions?In post 787, Pepchoninga wrote:
Show me one post thst should convince us that Ram is town den.In post 782, Manuel87 wrote:
Show me one post in his Iso that should convice me he is town.In post 777, Transcend wrote:gerryoat is town
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So I see two sides to this coin. Heads being you are town and scum is pushing you.In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8719555#p8719555]post 797[/url], ironstove wrote:
TrueIn post 763, Alisae wrote:
True or False: In your opinion Ironstove is lynchbait.In post 761, Pepchoninga wrote:
I think gerry and his sheeps are doing a perfectly fine job at that tho.In post 758, Alisae wrote:LOL You just said the reason why you should vote him: to step up his game.
Tails being you are scum trying to be self-aware lynchbait and trying to hide and not trying to bring any attention to yourself. Additionally to back this up, one scumteam and some town could be pushing you, while your own scumteam is not putting any attention on you.
So let me tell you what, when I get home from school, I'm going to reread your entrance and your ISO and figure out who jumps on you and who doesn't and try to figure things out from there.
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A scumread is very different from a townread. My read on him might also be influenced by my scumread on you though. If i had to name a reason i would say gut. His posts just come of genuine to me.In post 802, Pepchoninga wrote:The entire segment with me is exactly why I scumread him and if you are town and you belive he is town you should be trying to explain exactly why, like the way you explained your gerry read.
He has a certain aggression that doesnt feel forced.
That was the post i started townreading him.In post 721, Ramcius wrote:
Maybe it's your questions are bad, not my answers? If someone ask me in serious manner, i answer serious, but you try provoke me, so why you expect serious answers? If you have something against me, we can discuss, but Jaack and Lemon Tree look more serious than yours "you not so aggressive" and obvious provoke attemptsIn post 717, Pepchoninga wrote: To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.-
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Lol, the thing is he isn't aggressive. He is just calm and puts smilies everywere. He has also tunneled me for a long time on somethings that I answered more then enough times and now he is going on the same route.In post 806, Manuel87 wrote:
A scumread is very different from a townread. My read on him might also be influenced by my scumread on you though. If i had to name a reason i would say gut. His posts just come of genuine to me.In post 802, Pepchoninga wrote:The entire segment with me is exactly why I scumread him and if you are town and you belive he is town you should be trying to explain exactly why, like the way you explained your gerry read.
He has a certain aggression that doesnt feel forced.
That was the post i started townreading him.In post 721, Ramcius wrote:
Maybe it's your questions are bad, not my answers? If someone ask me in serious manner, i answer serious, but you try provoke me, so why you expect serious answers? If you have something against me, we can discuss, but Jaack and Lemon Tree look more serious than yours "you not so aggressive" and obvious provoke attemptsIn post 717, Pepchoninga wrote: To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.
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I've mostly been focusing on a couple of slots, so I want to get my thoughts on everyone to make sure I'm not forgetting about people. If you want more elaboration, I can do it.
Actual Town:
Alisae - There have been a lot of votes camped out here all game, but like no case, at least not in a while. I haven't seen anything to make me feel Alisae could be scum - feels relatively productive, asking good questions. I'm guessing that some people (who are more like to be scum than average) are just camped out there because there's no strong alternative.
ironstove - Feels like a mislynch just waiting to happen. I'm more basing this read on how many people on the scummier side of things kind of popped up with opinions on a slot that hasn't done enough to get lynched this early. But I'm not getting any scumbuzzes from anything.
Transcend - Good balance of doing things and not being overly serious.
Done nothing to make me feel that they are scum and thus town for now, but still no strong feels:
ConManMick - I kinda get why people are scumreading this, but I don't feel like it's scum. I think the gerry vote is bad, but I don't think it looks super scum motivated with a decent amount of people hard townreading gerry.
dreamerz7 - Kinda disappeared as of late. Gut scumread on transcend seems unliklely to come from scum. Kinda not doing much, but that seems more to be his MO than anything.
gerryoat - I feel like his early confusion about it being multiball is probably genuine. Doesn't look like a faketownslip to me. I'm not getting that strong of townfeels here, but I never read anything that looks like scum to me, and his general attitude comes across more townie than not
Indigo - Start of the game was good and fine, but hasn't done enough to make me feel too strongly. Could easily move up.
kuror - His scumread and progression on gerry seem reasonable enough to me. Another one that could easily move up with more to work with.
Done to little for me to care all that much, probably a scum or two hiding out in here:
Gamma Emerald - A lot of nothing. His vote on me was blah, 355 was worse than blah but not that bad, but has mostly posted garbage, especially in the memetacular first 15 pages.
Lemon Tree - Has affected this game about as much as the breeze through, well, a Lemon Tree.
PenguinPower - If this is the power of penguins, then Antarctica is doomed.
PeregrineV - My gut reaction is town, but I can't really substantiate that in anyway, and there's not enough for me to feel confident in placing him any higher.
Pine - A player in this game.
Mixed Feeling Scum that I probably would be willing to lynch, but would prefer other options:
BigYoshiFan - I kinda get a gut townread from some of his posts which is why he isn't lower, but I feel like he's kind of been following the hip reads at the time. As I said before (I think) his pursuit of Pepcho looked like someone trying to make everything look scummy as opposed to someone trying to find scum.
Pepchoninga - On the one hand, I feel like a lot of the reasons people are scumreading this are bad and scum are trying to take advantage of him (see the person directly above). On the other hand, I have some significant reservations with how he's played. I wouldn't be shocked to see this flip either way.
TurboScum need rope:
Manuel87 - As I said before, I didn't like some of his back and forth with pepcho. I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry, as if he's trying to justify it after the fact. I also think its fairly strange to townread PeregrineV like he did in 774 (the guy hasn't done enough to single him out as a townread), but I can't really put my finger on why that would help Manuel as scum. Just something to note for later.
Ramcius - Still don't like his Alisae read from earlier. 789 feels like overly combatitve scum. He's also just been camping out on the alisae wagon but failing to put any effort into pushing it (despite being around and pushing other players). Feels like scum who can't come up with a good excuse to move their vote.
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VOTE: Manuel87
Equally willing to vote Ramcius, but I feel there is more traction here.
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someone tell me if they agree or not and whyIn post 795, gerryoat wrote:
Let me break down why manuel might be scumIn post 774, Manuel87 wrote:This is where i am at right now.
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gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.
2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.
VOTE: Manuel
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I'm starting to think that a wagon on Ram might be a good thing.
Anyone wanna join me before I go home and relook at this Ironstove shit?
VOTE: Ramcius
pedit: Jaack get the fuck back on Ram.
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I'm still only at the skimming-and-not-caring stage, but what I've seen of Ramcius isn't good.
Withholding a vote for now, I should at the very least ISO him and glance at a VC before I put down a vote.I actually just did those things."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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i try, i think i clearly asked why you excluded me from other TRs in Manuel's list, while you stated in previous post you disagree with more than 1 TR, and you said that later answering to me too, but yet you don't see me as town stronger than others, what elaboration you expect from me, if you can't answer simple question to continue our discussion?In post 804, Pepchoninga wrote:Elaborate please.
P-edit: again, i'm not aggressive enough fine, quick recap to other game - i was same like here at start till Charloux called me out for "role fishing", cause i asked if we don't get rolelist in newbie game, and he did it in quite a rude manner, so my answer was in similar aggressive manner, then Nyd called me out for being aggressive, and we had some quarrel, later was your and Alisae fight in which i skipped till he tried force me join your wagon without giving any good reason to do that, but that was going to end of D1, add on top of that people being newbies and not seeing bad plays, which made me frustrated, now compare all to this game, no one approached me in rude manner, game progressing (at least i'm fine with game progression), so i don't feel need to interfere, i already did some interactions, not as aggressive like in there, but i called out people for things i didn't liked, so if you have something more against me, we can discuss, cause it was your words yesterday, that meta can't be main thing to judge, especially when we talking 2 very different games. Hope that answered all your questions on this matter and we won't come back again to it-
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In post 808, Jaack wrote: Manuel87 - As I said before, I didn't like some of his back and forth with pepcho. I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry, as if he's trying to justify it after the fact. I also think its fairly strange to townread PeregrineV like he did in 774 (the guy hasn't done enough to single him out as a townread), but I can't really put my finger on why that would help Manuel as scum. Just something to note for later.
@Manuel - Explain to me your Peregrine read from 774.Thats why he is in my townreads. Also liked his additions later even though i am not really scumreading Iron or Mick myself.
I wonder where i ever said i have a hardcore bullteproof case against gerry? I was asked about my read and i explained it. As simple as that.
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I'm not overly combative, i'm way too calm considering my other game, from which Pep is judging meIn post 808, Jaack wrote:Ramcius - Still don't like his Alisae read from earlier. 789 feels like overly combatitve scum. He's also just been camping out on the alisae wagon but failing to put any effort into pushing it (despite being around and pushing other players). Feels like scum who can't come up with a good excuse to move their vote.
UNVOTE: Alisae
Better now? I can put vote on anyone i want, i just don't see reason trowing votes so early in day, when we start discussing lynch, i will think where to put my vote-
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Easy enoughIn post 810, Alisae wrote:I'm starting to think that a wagon on Ram might be a good thing.
Anyone wanna join me before I go home and relook at this Ironstove shit?
pedit: Jaack get the fuck back on Ram.
I'll evaluate Manuel when I get back home.
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VOTE: Ramcius
Two votes > Vanity Vote
As far as Peregrine goes, fair enough.In post 813, Manuel87 wrote: Thats why he is in my townreads. Also liked his additions later even though i am not really scumreading Iron or Mick myself.
I wonder where i ever said i have a hardcore bullteproof case against gerry? I was asked about my read and i explained it. As simple as that.
What didnt you like about my back and forth with Pep? The part where he threw shade on me or the part where i called him out for it?
I never implied that you had a 'hardcore bulletproof' case on gerry. I felt that some of your points there were reaches.
As far as Pepcho, I thought the point he made on you in 430 was accurate enough, and I felt your response in 445 was overly combatitive (something I kind of feel about this response too tbh). And considering it's multiball, even if Pepcho's comment was just throwing shade, there coul still be some accuracy to it.
Changing your vote after being called out on it does not make things better.In post 814, Ramcius wrote: I'm not overly combative, i'm way too calm considering my other game, from which Pep is judging me
UNVOTE: Alisae
Better now? I can put vote on anyone i want, i just don't see reason trowing votes so early in day, when we start discussing lynch, i will think where to put my vote-
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dont ignoreIn post 809, gerryoat wrote:
someone tell me if they agree or not and whyIn post 795, gerryoat wrote:
Let me break down why manuel might be scumIn post 774, Manuel87 wrote:This is where i am at right now.
Scum:
gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.
2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.
VOTE: Manuel
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I'm not changing vote, i take it away, it makes no difference for me if it's on Alisae or nowhere, but you had problem with my vote being on him, so i took awayIn post 815, Jaack wrote:
Changing your vote after being called out on it does not make things better.In post 814, Ramcius wrote: I'm not overly combative, i'm way too calm considering my other game, from which Pep is judging me
UNVOTE: Alisae
Better now? I can put vote on anyone i want, i just don't see reason trowing votes so early in day, when we start discussing lynch, i will think where to put my vote-
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You make zero sence. I already had established that I don't like you and with time you became a stronger SR. What you are curently asking just doesn't seem to be of actual meaning and now you keep asking questions for the sake of asking them.In post 812, Ramcius wrote:
i try, i think i clearly asked why you excluded me from other TRs in Manuel's list, while you stated in previous post you disagree with more than 1 TR, and you said that later answering to me too, but yet you don't see me as town stronger than others, what elaboration you expect from me, if you can't answer simple question to continue our discussion?In post 804, Pepchoninga wrote:Elaborate please.
P-edit: again, i'm not aggressive enough fine, quick recap to other game - i was same like here at start till Charloux called me out for "role fishing", cause i asked if we don't get rolelist in newbie game, and he did it in quite a rude manner, so my answer was in similar aggressive manner, then Nyd called me out for being aggressive, and we had some quarrel, later was your and Alisae fight in which i skipped till he tried force me join your wagon without giving any good reason to do that, but that was going to end of D1, add on top of that people being newbies and not seeing bad plays, which made me frustrated, now compare all to this game, no one approached me in rude manner, game progressing (at least i'm fine with game progression), so i don't feel need to interfere, i already did some interactions, not as aggressive like in there, but i called out people for things i didn't liked, so if you have something more against me, we can discuss, cause it was your words yesterday, that meta can't be main thing to judge, especially when we talking 2 very different games. Hope that answered all your questions on this matter and we won't come back again to it
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Lol yes, you take your vote when being called up and the pressure has started and this is bad. Your reasoning for the lynch as a whole was iffy, and the unvote just confirms how you seem to be panicking.In post 817, Ramcius wrote:
I'm not changing vote, i take it away, it makes no difference for me if it's on Alisae or nowhere, but you had problem with my vote being on him, so i took awayIn post 815, Jaack wrote:
Changing your vote after being called out on it does not make things better.In post 814, Ramcius wrote: I'm not overly combative, i'm way too calm considering my other game, from which Pep is judging me
UNVOTE: Alisae
Better now? I can put vote on anyone i want, i just don't see reason trowing votes so early in day, when we start discussing lynch, i will think where to put my vote
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I agree with most of the points you make. Manuel is not the lynch for today tho.In post 816, gerryoat wrote:
dont ignoreIn post 809, gerryoat wrote:
someone tell me if they agree or not and whyIn post 795, gerryoat wrote:
Let me break down why manuel might be scumIn post 774, Manuel87 wrote:This is where i am at right now.
Scum:
gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.
2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.
VOTE: Manuel
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The first part of this is pointless semantics. The second part is a major factor contributing to my scumread. You don't appear to care all that much about your vote, despite that being, you know, the primary currency of the day game, and really the game in general for town.In post 817, Ramcius wrote: I'm not changing vote, i take it away, it makes no difference for me if it's on Alisae or nowhere, but you had problem with my vote being on him, so i took away-
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if you insist,In post 816, gerryoat wrote:
dont ignoreIn post 809, gerryoat wrote:
someone tell me if they agree or not and whyIn post 795, gerryoat wrote:
Let me break down why manuel might be scumIn post 774, Manuel87 wrote:This is where i am at right now.
Scum:
gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.
2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.
VOTE: Manuel
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1) i kinda agree with he's scumlist, you more null than hard SR to me, but i don't get town feeling from you
2) why exclude Gamma, cause he away? He left plenty posts to judge, and Manuel wasn't that active in this tread, so i don't see any reason to not put Gamma in list just because he not active now
3) i think i did enough comments on him
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Aside from you, I dislike the same people as scummy.In post 816, gerryoat wrote:
dont ignoreIn post 809, gerryoat wrote:
someone tell me if they agree or not and whyIn post 795, gerryoat wrote:
Let me break down why manuel might be scumIn post 774, Manuel87 wrote:This is where i am at right now.
Scum:
gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.
2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.
VOTE: Manuel
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2. Seems a justification, because most of Gamma's stuff so far has been fluff, or even fluffernutter.
3. Lynchbait would seem to indicate a pattern of behavior, not just behavior in a single game. You would have to prove the allegation of lynchbait in order for me to accept it as being applied to Pep. To me, it seems like much of his play is justifying why he looks scummy (playstyle) when me makes scummy posts.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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He really only gave a case on you, so not sure how/why you are claiming they are carefully crafted, and why they are artificial.In post 795, gerryoat wrote:All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.
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