Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[MathBlade]

Keep in mind a suicidal innocent child is almost useless without a doc. The chances keep going up as if you will die with each card. Where exactly does Giga show this timidness?

dont really grok this

i'm just going to keep gamesolving until i die by nk or suicide

that's all there is to it

also i was scared as fuck about dying when 2s were in trumps and i didn't get to confirm and i had zero clue there was a doctor

like

i wasnt even thinking clearly irl and i misclaimed my investigation result until i cleared it up the next day

Don't believe you.

[MathBlade]

don't think mathblade tunneling is that AI for them

after all

tunneling is a tool for caught scum

It is not AI for me correct.

[MathBlade]

Correct because when a heart comes up people will remember now. There is no way they will forget.

[MathBlade]

Deadline is 4 days away? Why are you rushing instead of letting people think?

[MathBlade]

Lil Uzi Vert (6) - SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison,

milkshake

,

Titus

, kraska77

@fishy

especially knowing you're town does the rb kill really make sense with

• A: this wagon composition
  
  B: rb's hard defense of uzi

uzi being mostly voted for by town implies that if uzi is scum they don't want to bus him (believable considering he has the working beta vig). but then why kill the most staunch, shit-together, obvtown person against that lynch instead of killing someone else well-townread and with mostly correct reads (i.e. scumreading Uzi)? obviously "wifom" or some shit to that effect is an answer but no one really analyzes NKs anymore, and also there's the fact that there's still a fuckton of slots alive by D2, so the scumteam should be killing off the people who are mostly right early on so they can save their shots for PRs later in the game. it's not really jibing with me

where am i going wrong with this train of thought?

How do you know Fishy is town?

[MathBlade]

L-1 btw

not ready for hammers but i don't see any other outcome lynchwise than menno + mathblade

town is just blocked af

i hope

is gerry/mcmenno possible in your opinion, fishy and dunn? based on in-thread stuff i don't think so but if the hood says something else?

It looks like gerry is setting up to lynch both me and mcmenno

fishy?

if mcmenno+MB flip town

maybe shoot dunnstral??

lmao i dont want to think about a world where gerry is right about something

plus 2 of diamonds

ehhhh

Don't ever shoot me. There should be a cop on me if needed.

this ^

That outcome is crazy. I townread Kison and y'all are just trying to murder as many townies as you can before a heart appears.

[MathBlade]

14 alive - 4 = 10

If 4 scum alive that will be LyLO people. LyLO.

[MathBlade]

...Do you scumread Kison or is your entire argument based off of cards?

[MathBlade]

...Do you scumread Kison or is your entire argument based off of cards?

please explain why there would be a doctor protect on flipped scum

kison's kind of scummy but you and mcmenno are my only scumreads tbh

I don't know why anyone would heal a flipped scum but I don't see that claim?

If you mean why Maria picked the doctor card I could only guess but I would say maybe because Godfather ? Or Maria was the doc that saved you not dunndtral?

[MathBlade]

And why can't someone who hasn't claimed yet like you not have it?

Not everyone has claimed and someone could have protected a townread. I still don't see why shooting a townread of yours is a good vig this close to LyLO.

[MathBlade]

Last claim list only has you with innocent child? Can you please repeat the list with all your cards?

[MathBlade]

btw i realize that i am a candidate for having the ace of clubs but that would mean my inventory result is fake

please tell me how as scum i would be able to figure out that there's 13 diamonds in the deck with like 1 claim and knowing my partner's cards

Math.

Because 52 cards in a deck divided by 4 is 13?

[MathBlade]

If you wanted to vig on card status alone Gerryoat is better as at this point he has refused the Town stupidity and likely has the ace.

I don't think you shoot the BP claim. :/

[MathBlade]

Like seriously this mass claim is one of the stupidest things ever.

If the game could be broken by mass claim it is no longer Mafia.

[MathBlade]

do you think Scum!Blade doesn't bus when they think their partner has "slipped"?

The Titus kill thing?

Considering I'm not Scum, it would be impossible for it to be a slip and Math would know that. They are the one that fabricated that narrative.

1) I didn't fabricate it as I am Town.
2) I didn't fabricate it as it was suggested by someone other than me.
3) If I did fabricate it that would suggest me and you partners.
4) Killing obvTown Titus was crazy. Like I scumread her for sneezing sometimes but cmon :/

[MathBlade]

obvtown titus = scumslip ?? cause that slot is only obv. town if you are red!

Lol Titus is my sister. She rarely Town tells and I am working on fixing my read of her but here she did.

[MathBlade]

let's get mathblade

oh wait

:^)

we're getting them later today

...*sigh*

Tomorrow will likely be LyLO the more Giga leads it.

[MathBlade]

I vigged Titus last night because of the way she defended Maria, who wound up flipping scum.

I fully expected she'd also flip scum, because Titus supports her scum buddies.

This is fucking terrible.

Yeah, my buddies said the same in the Scum PT but I was like, nah! I can sell it!

Titus rarely busses. When I was trying to catch up in the intro I thought she was scum. Then that division in flip made me want to question her today. I probably would have vigged her if I could.

Yes because as Town we hardly cooperate and it makes a horrible game state. That division in flip made me look back. Titus was obvTown.

And you are scum. Scum leading this will make things LyLO with four town deaths.

[MathBlade]

Yes Grey we are buddies. /sarcasm You are scum though.

The person trying to save scum

usually

isn't scum (unless Titus then you have to VCA and look for divisions in flip).

Division in flip means people on and off wagon and if it was "townie" or not.

[MathBlade]

Yes she is the one person I would vig as town. Only because we never see eye to eye and she is usually wrong or becomes wrong in games I am Town in and always calls for my head regardless of what I post.

[MathBlade]

Unlikely. I have not played with Grey before (see my ISO) but my gut says a player like him would not have as bad interactions as I do without Titus.

[MathBlade]

If anything it makes Grey an alt or scum with someone that knows me or Titus. Titus was a really powerful card holder. Scum shot her more than likely.

[MathBlade]

Yes she is the one person I would vig as town.

That you would say this and also call me scum for the same thing makes me happy to lynch you today.

You don't have Titus as a sister. I do. Huge difference.

[MathBlade]

Based on this one game I have played with you and Grey your intuitions are a pile of horse manure.

[MathBlade]

anyway we got basically all the claims we needed today so i'm ready to just turbo through the rest of the day

uzi vigs {gerry, dunn} with only one scum flip or holds his shot with no scumflips (don't really care who he shoots otherwise, might be useful to read him if we let him do whatever)

twie cops kison?

still want to hammer this out a bit more clearly but never vig anyone in my towny^tm list

I object to you controlling everyone's actions unilaterally.

[MathBlade]

I am in an apartment. I don't have a garden.

There is no implication of town there at all. I am literally calling your intuitions shit because they are manure rather than hard thought out feelings.

Remind me never to do any analogy that requires deep thought on MS.

[MathBlade]

You realize I am a programmer right Giga? But how would you know that unless you are scum with someone who knows me?

[MathBlade]

if we were scum (grey and me) our intuitions wouldn't be shit because we know everyone's alignment and are deliberately pushing a false agenda

Making your intuitions shit.

[MathBlade]

and MY analogy with the manure and giga's words

ACTUALLY WORKS and has depth to its meaning

so when you make shit comments about "making analogies in the future" - think first

Lol. There is so many ways the no context thread would be eaten alive.

Translation: Your shit is worse than my shit.
No shit about my shit please.
My shit is brings all the vegetables to the farm and they said it's better than yours.

Couldn't resist. Thank you for the lesson.

[MathBlade]

(Meaning in this case My Math's shit is worse because the analogy sucked I am Town )

[MathBlade]

btw if anyone has any more they'd be appreciated, it's stuff like this that helps us work on our app on the worst of days

• Why did the programmer quit their job?
  
  Why did the programmer get stuck in their shower?
  
  Why do Java programmers wear glasses?

punchlines at EoD because fuck you all <3

Better yet why does the programmer have a bike instead of a girlfriend?

[MathBlade]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.hongkiat ... ent=safari

I know most of Giga's I won't spoil

[MathBlade]

Alright I've got a good one

Why did the programmer tunnel town?

Ask Giga. I wouldn't know as I think I am tunneling scum.

[MathBlade]

Either you do or you don't. You don't think you agree. Horrible post.

[MathBlade]

Hey MathBlade, there is a DB that is a type of storage engine for MySQL. Do you know what I'm referring to?

That's what I am.

Error Grey is not InnoDB.

[MathBlade]

At this point, I could claim IC and if the mod confirmed it, Math would claim the game was bastard.

I would reread if mod confirmed.

[MathBlade]

Or we can lynch scum.

I have laid it all out. I suspect LyLO will be in game tomorrow. Friday and Saturday I will be AFK most of the day.

[MathBlade]

Maxous is scum. Please lynch him. Dunn Grey and Giga all scums.

[MathBlade]

Self hammering much as I hate to admit it is NAI.
Town does it to ensure lynches and scum does it to hide partners and end day faster.

I wish this was only a thing scum did. To suggest only Town self hammer implies you know McMenno is town and are prepping for that.

It is 1 am here going to bed.

VOTE: Maxous

[MathBlade]

DECK x 34 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 30

DAY 5 VOTECOUNT #12

Mathblade (6)

- Dunnstral, -Grey-, Maxous, drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert, Kison

Maxous (1)

- Mathblade

Not Voting (6)

- gerryoat, Fishythefish, Vecna, SpyreX, TheWayItEnds, gigabyteTroubadour

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2017-01-19 12:26:40).

This wagon has three scum on it. Plenty of time to talk people.

Once I flip Town you need to get Giga to confirm lynch Grey or Dunn and then pwn Maxous. Or really whatever order as long as there is a scum trade for my death.

[MathBlade]

Also make sure everyone has enough time for day actions. Don't rush this and lynch in case everyone hasn't had a chance for day submissions.

[MathBlade]

Again.
Read Gerry-Maria interactions

Is bussing a thing, or is it not?

anyone who thinks me and maria are maf together either needs their head checked or is scum. this case, he is scum with dunn

I agree and they are trying to get rid of the biggest proponent of that. Notice how Dunn and Grey are practically inseparable on vote counts?

[MathBlade]

Am I missing anything else interesting outside of the slip that makes any of Dunn, giga, or Grey likely scum? I may be forgetting something, but my impression of the case is:

1) Dunn is scum due to the slip.
2) Giga is scum because Dunn claimed to protect them, and probably wouldn't protect town.
3) Grey is scum for shooting Titus after Dunn slipped it.

Anything you'd add to that?

PEDIT: maybe, if they were off the ball. Why?

Number 2 is slightly different.
Giga is scum because Dunn claimed to protect them and I don't see anyone taking a suicide card unless they knew a doctor was going to protect them or had a fear of death and tried to get out as much as possible.

Maxous is scum for leading that BS wagon and not reexamining reads and going along with the claim mechanics when Maxous usually doesn't like mechanical crap.

Giga furthermore is scum because he is trying to say "I didn't lie to Town about results" as saying he is Town. Karnos did the same thing under my guidance in 1800 and gave a conftown.

Grey is scum not just for the slip but how they have been bosom buddies on wagons. Grey flip flops on occasion but inevitably they end up together.

Does it not bug anyone how similar all these lynches are?

[MathBlade]

yeah i think {Kison, LUV, TWIE} is probably our best bet in actually finding the supposed unclaimed Ace of Clubs - vengeful is a terrible fakeclaim and i think mathblade is confirmed gov't?

currently i do believe in it but i'm not lynching in that pool until drealfucker and i decide what type of inventory (clubs in general or ace of clubs only) to do so we can be sure it's not a wild goose chase

I am not confirmed governor as I haven't used it I don't think. I am Town though. Either way even if I was confirmed governor that wouldn't make me confirmed Town.

[MathBlade]

hghghghgghgh

but mathblade................

............

...............

like i absolutely refuse to believe that mathblade is town and playing this poorly

i'm sorry

but i really tried

Last time someone said this in a completed game it was my first forum game I wasn't instalynched because newb I tunneled them for three days and got them lynched two minutes before EoD. And guess what they were scum.

Reads disagreement is NAI (the wiki says townaligned but I don't buy that). What matters is why.

[MathBlade]

Explain how it is mechanically impossible.

[MathBlade]

Or Jackel didn't vig or Jackel vengefuled me when I was BP or Jackel shot someone who was healed or ...

You are basing it on as if Jackel vengeful was done and healed. There is no concrete proof of this occurring. I am of the opinion it didn't and jackel98 lost interest like when I played with him on a newbie game.

[MathBlade]

Again.
Read Gerry-Maria interactions

Is bussing a thing, or is it not?

anyone who thinks me and maria are maf together either needs their head checked or is scum. this case, he is scum with dunn

I agree and they are trying to get rid of the biggest proponent of that. Notice how Dunn and Grey are practically inseparable on vote counts?

then why the FUCK arent you voting dunn

mathblade it's possible you could be bussing him. but i will give you the benefit of the doubt right now. can you vote dunn

As long as it is in those 4 I don't care who it is but I am getting mislynched today. I won't agree with the scumlead train of derp so I have to go. I am just making my case clear before someone hammers. Who my vote on is wholly irrelevant.

[MathBlade]

Claiming for protection removes a doctor from town.

Max is the only one I Waffle on.

Again my point is not that Giga can't inventory. He could have provided accurate information. I am not doubting the card. I am doubting the player behind the card. Providing true results doesn't make you Town it makes it not a scum claim.

[MathBlade]

My theory is either jackel98 lost interest or shot me or didn't submit a kill yes. This entire town train is based off assumptions and site meta.

The entire reason Giga is so well townread is that scum would never pick that card. Then explain why Giga is still alive.

[MathBlade]

math.

math.

@MOD:

Am I supposed to wait for my flip to submit my kill, or can I now?

do you think this is the post of someone who decided to not submit a kill

gonna answer twie next

Possibly yes. He did something similar in the newbie game I was in. He was pretty apathetic.

[MathBlade]

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 13

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT #15

Jackel98 (11)

- SpyreX, gigabyteTroubadour, milkshake, kraska77, McMenno, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert, drealmerz7, Vifam, Transcend, Vecna

MariaR (4)

- davesaz, Dunnstral, Maxous, Kison

Kison (1)

- Titus

Dunnstral (1)

- MariaR

kraska77 (1)

- Vedith

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

- gerryoat

Titus (1)

- Jackel98

Not Voting (0)

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-19 13:01:49)

Jackel98 was lynched Day 2. He was a

Townie

with the following cards:

Jackel now has a vengekill active. He will have 24 hours to make a shot if he so chooses. After that, the next card in the deck will be trumps and we'll go to night. Please stand by!

Jackel98's vote was on Titus EoD. If Jackel venged anywhere it would be there.

[MathBlade]

And if I am mislynched by a majority of the game the last thing I would do is listen to that majority on who lynching me who I would know would be Town.

I don't think he would shoot Maria.

You mean the same Titus who you scumread for defending Maria? That obvTown Titus?

[MathBlade]

Instead because of an assumption of which Jackel never confirmed you have literally outed every PR in the game for a card that may not even have been chosen, made townreads based on cards instead of hints, VCA looks like "oooh let's agree with this because it works and people are eating it up".

[MathBlade]

You mean the same Titus who you scumread for defending Maria? That obvTown Titus?

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Yes. Opinion shifted on Titus because she defended Maria. She cannot be obvTown and obvScum. That should have sent off some warning bells in your head.

[MathBlade]

Jackel98's vote was on Titus EoD. If Jackel venged anywhere it would be there.

The only person who wanted to shoot Titus was Jackel. Pretty much everyone was telling him not to do that and he was entertaining other targets(including McMenno, Maria, Kraska). It's not at all unreasonable to think he shot elsewhere. We know for sure he sent in some kind of action based on the abrupt end to his deadline. There's no leap of faith here.

sorry kison i broke the site but i must artistically express my confusion

Sometimes I break the site for fun.

If he did shoot anywhere else then the ace of clubs hunt is completely invalid. As a vengeful this is why you fucking confirm before you go down. I think scum are more than happy to promote this wild goose chase.

[MathBlade]

hey !!!!! i have an idea !!!!!!!

how about we LYNCH mathblade

and then uzi will VIG gerry

that way we're all happyyyy :DDD

...If I flip Town he vigs you. How does that sound? Because I am flipping town.

[MathBlade]

Or he submitted a no shot and was done with it. If he didn't ever since your theory was outed no one would admit to having the ace of clubs anyway and now you have a target on all the outed card cops and have accomplished literally nothing towards finding it.

The point is this was stupid. If this game could be broken by mass claim then it wouldn't be Mafia.

[MathBlade]

the game isn't broken by massclaim though i dont know why you keep saying it is

we are getting important information via massclaim so we can coordinate actions before MYLO/LYLO

and yeah i'm absolutely fucking sure jackel just decided to submit a no-kill despite showing absolutely zero intentions of doing so

this is why you're being lynched mathblade fyi

I am being lynched because I don't go along with your assumptions. That is a scum mentality. If you lynch someone for disagreeing with you then you will always lose. You are acting on assumptions without proof.

The coordination of actions only helps scum.

Dunn and Grey are clearly scum.

[MathBlade]

The game is broken because then you might as well be playing an open setup which lets scum do as they please and frame who they want and rig the cards they want.

Mass claim is stupid.

The Ace of Clubs hunt is stupid.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: MathBlade

Just call me a hammer thief!

Bye y'all I am Town. Reads were accurate. Get rid of this dastardly demon plague.

[MathBlade]

If we do get 2 town flips, we (Max) should shuffle, to avoid spades tomorrow. Shout now if you disagree.

I AGREE

[MathBlade]

I don't disagree, I also don't think it's likely

If they're both town, gerry is scum 100%

This is SCUM.

[MathBlade]

GG excellent job scum!

VOTE: Mathblade

For the most intense seepage ever.

Aka sorry my townie brethren.

[MathBlade]

Derpage *

[MathBlade]

Id love for our scum pt to be public. Noones going to be reading those 70 or so pages anyways :p

Never say that. Lol

Shadowrun Mafia got to 1000+ posts and gets read lololol