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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:12 pm

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In post 158, Syryana wrote:
In post 83, Parama wrote:
In post 57, Transcend wrote:That looks like a bit of a stretch

VOTE: Stormcloud
crap, you're scum. oh well.

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Why's this a scumtell
sup, did you read
LITERALLY THE VERY NEXT POST IN THE THREAD
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:14 pm

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In post 168, Syryana wrote:Reasonable, but my main problem with Parama so far is I haven't seen anything from him that he isn't more than capable of faking as scum.
for the record this is totally fair and i take this as a compliment
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:16 pm

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In post 182, KainTepes wrote:so i like to keep my vote PARKED ON THE GEMMA EMERALD for now,,
what are you accomplishing by voting a lurker?
for the record i totally believe gamma is too busy for the game rn because all the past games i've played with him he's been a spamposter so the lack of spamposts suggests it's not just lurking
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:18 pm

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In post 245, Parama wrote:
In post 119, CommKnight wrote:For balance reasons, I'm willing to place my bet on there being either 2 town PR's and a mafia PR or if it really is all VT, then there is definitely a 3rd party. As 2 mafia in a 7 VT vs 2 would be a bit unfair for them and 3 mafia vs 6 VT would be unfair to us. It's just at that number where a PR or 3rd party must be active to balance things out. Which in games with a Neutral 3rd party (one who can win with any) or who's win conditions do not stop town's win conditions, I do not mind aiding by the way. Town of Salem which people seem to keep pinning me to (even though it's only one medium I play on... hah... medium... curse...), people on there are rather... ignorant. For example, if we have a known executioner and their target is a useless role, I'm willing to sacrifice a useless role to gain a non-killable townie (they would've won so no reason to side with mafia and counts as a confirmed vote against them for LYLO). Even survivors, who can vest and when mixed with a transporter can create a movable shield for town. However, in RT mafia, most players are unable to think that critically and just see "not town" as inherently bad. For those who've played the game and know the Jester role, I've managed to help a Jester win while getting a mafia killed. Mafia were tricking town, but I whispered the Jester to kill a certain somebody if he guiltied him. Well, I managed to get mafia to guilty him and got 2 birds with one stone.
for someone complaining about people making too short of posts, this entire paragraph is literally useless fluff and it's like a quarter of your wallpost
Gonna be honest didn't actually read this until now
but tl;dr 2 vanilla scum vs 7 VTs is VERY scumsided both in theory and in practice (see: the current newbie setup).

Also the mod has said this setup is normal which means the only third party that can even possibly exist is a serial killer. In case no one's mentioned that yet.

Actually it's just straight-up illogical that you're saying 7:2 mountainous is townsided and 7:2 with two town PRs and a scum PR is balanced?
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:20 pm

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In post 213, Syryana wrote:
In post 199, Stormcloud wrote:[3] Transcend (
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@Transcend: Bolded.
yup, i'm scum with gamma, you got me
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:22 pm

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In post 233, implosion wrote:As for Transcend: I still think he's scummy. Frankly it feels like he's trying way too hard relative to how it felt like he played in my other game with him.
aaahh, crap,

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i think this is L-1 tbh, someone hammer, this is scum & i'm probably wrong on transcend
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:24 pm

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In post 254, Parama wrote:
In post 213, Syryana wrote:
In post 199, Stormcloud wrote:[3] Transcend (
Gamma Emerald
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@Transcend: Bolded.
yup, i'm scum with gamma, you got me
Do you really think that the faint echoes of Gamma's RVS vote are something that you'd avoid going along with as scum with him? I personally wouldn't have had any problem making my vote if I were scum with him.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:24 pm

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In post 255, Parama wrote:
In post 233, implosion wrote:As for Transcend: I still think he's scummy. Frankly it feels like he's trying way too hard relative to how it felt like he played in my other game with him.
aaahh, crap,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: implosion

no no no no no no
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NOOOO
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i think this is L-1 tbh, someone hammer, this is scum & i'm probably wrong on transcend
If your problem is with me using a single game for meta i can point you to an example of me doing this in a game that recently finished where i got a strong read on someone based on a single game with them

if it's not then clarify
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:25 pm

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rn:

LOCKTOWN: Storm
Probtown: Comm, Kain
Null: Morning, Syr, Gamma
Scummish: Transcend
Scum: implo

i could see implo's vote on Transcend being a crap bus but the reverse doesn't seem true and i wouldn't expect them to be buddies together

anyways time to watch the la-mulana speedrun bye

p-edit: the problem is you're using meta
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:27 pm

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In post 258, Parama wrote:p-edit: the problem is you're using meta
I do that as town these days (see first paragraph in that post)
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:27 pm

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In particular my townread on penguin in that game was both very divisive and heavily based on a single game of meta
(and correct, but anecdote etc)
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:30 pm

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Oh but

I'm town
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:31 pm

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In post 261, Transcend wrote:Oh but

I'm town
good to hear
it means more when you say it more than once
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:36 pm

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Oh but

I'm scum
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:24 am

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My scumread on Transcend has only gotten stronger these past couple pages. His 194 is extremely suspicious and opportunistic. He sees a wagon on himself growing, doesn't flip out about it because he's not a newb, but then sees some people expressed doubt about implosion and jumps on that as his way out. The timing of that vote switch and how quickly this wagon grew is absolutely locking him in as scum for me.

I do think that means KT is town if Transcend is scum, as scum wouldn't buddy up that closely together.

DO NOT hammer implosion before town has come to a consensus. I will treat it as a scum claim. If he somehow gets lynched and I die in the night, KILL FUCKING TRANSCEND.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:26 am

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Parama man, if you really think I'm locktown, trust me here. Transcend is far more scummy than implosion.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:27 am

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You've seen my comments toward people townreading me in the past - I regard them with suspicion and am paranoid that they are buddying me.
Ask yourself why, if I'm town, I'm not reacting that way toward implosion's comments about me.
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:29 am

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Also you asking for a hammer on implosion right away, not asking for implosion to claim or anyone else to discuss when we have 10 days to deadline in an active game
Come on man, I don't think you're scum here at all, but that's just not pro-town play
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:44 am

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Tweet and Syryana, I'd really love to know both your thoughts on this wagon and the events leading up to it. Also Syry, do you tend to not vote much on day 1? You haven't put a vote anywhere at all yet, so I'm curious.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:26 am

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Votecount 1.5


[4] implosion (CommKnight, Transcend, KainTepes, Parama)
[2] Transcend (Gamma Emerald, implosion)
[1] CommKnight (Stormcloud)
[1] Gamma Emerald (Morning Tweet)

[1] Not Voting (Syryana)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-24 22:00:00)
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:07 am

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In post 148, Transcend wrote:Jsyk if you're obv towning in these walls of text, that's your fault

Still not reading any of them

Say less for God's sake, it's not hard to condense
Say more. This isn't RT mafia. You have room at actually articulate your thoughts. If you were pulling this in any RT game and I was a vig, you'd be shot tonight.

[quote="In post 181, Morning Tweet"
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What information do we gain from, say, a doctor revealing his role? What does this do to spur discussion?[/quote]

That would be worse case scenario. Which you'd have to WIFOM a possibility that there may be a lookout protecting doctor. The likelyhood would be low. But who knows?

As for posts lately, Parama's negativity towards my lock vote his null and voided by his vote and asking for hammer of the same person I'm scum reading. Implosion really hasn't improved his standing at all with me.

I know night may be upon us shortly. But at the moment, I think I'm pretty easy with the following reads:

Spoiler: Reads
Gamma - Inactive/Null
Implosion - Scum read
Kain - Town read
Morning Tweet - Beginning to lean towards scum, nothing solid, just a vibe.
Parama - Null
Stormcloud - Town read
Syrana - Null
Transcend - Null


I'm willing to bet at least one scum is in the Tweet, Implosion, Syrana trio. Which if I take Transcend's example of eliminating possible teams with my two town reads at the moment. I will also note that I do not think Syrana/Tweet are a duo.

Spoiler: Pairings
  1. Implosion/Parama
  2. Implosion/Transcend
  3. Implosion/Tweet
  4. Implosion/Syrana
  5. Tweet/Parama
  6. Tweet/Transcend
  7. Syrana/Parama
  8. Syrana/Transcend
  9. +3 with Gamma with each.


I think Implosion's lynch would reveal quite a bit about how the current wagons and thoughts are going.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:13 am

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Comm, why do you scumread Tweet and Syry? Any particular reason?

What do you think about my posts regarding the implosion wagon?

What do you think of Transcend? Town, scum, null? I really want to hear your thoughts on him most of all.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:15 am

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Oh I apologize, didn't see your reads list.
Comm if you truly think I'm town, then implosion is not mafia. It's possible both of us are town. It's possible both of us are mafia (from your pov ofc). It is not possible that I'm town and he's mafia.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:17 am

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Are you not bothered by the fact that Parama asked for a hammer rather than a claim from implosion? Since you love claiming so much, I'd think you would want to hear a claim from your top scumread rather than an instant hammer with no claim.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:58 am

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I think the only person on the implosion wagon that has explained their reasoning (aside from Comm, whom I already said is wrong) is Parama.

@Parama, do you find using meta in general is a scumtell or do you just have a problem with implosion using it in that specific post?

@Transcend, why are you voting for implosion rather than Syr? Along with Gamma, he had the most possible scumteams in your PoE analysis. I see you had a FoS which progressed to a scumread on implosion, but for what reason?

For the Transcend wagon, the only member is implosion. I'll count Stormcloud as a part of it too, though.

Implosion scumreads Trans for meta-based reasons + gut. I can't say much about either of those other than Transcend is trying something new, although I'm not sure that's what Implo is referring to. I don't have a problem with using meta in itself, though.

Stormcloud adamantly believes Implo is town and Transcend scum. Storm is suspecting him for changing his vote to Implo opportunistically. I would like to know his reasoning for the vote as well, but Storm says he did it because others were expressing suspicion on Implo. Neither Kain nor Parama expressed this. Parama was even pushing on Trans at the time.
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