The bolded, can you tell me how it falsely associates dreal with mcmenno? That may be true, but how can you know that our even imply that? There is only one way you could even imply that this early in the game. Town doesn't know. Scum knowIn post 376, Narna wrote:Both of those votes that Dreal questioned were naked votes, and it seemed pretty apparent he was trying to get more than that out of people. The mcmenno association seems like a safe misrep to get a response and seem like you're scumhunting. The rvs thing was poorly thought out, and pretending to scumhunt fits better than "breaking rvs" considering KT and Dreal's serious posting was just before yours.In post 274, lane0168 wrote:What is busy about it? You're quick on that I think. One post asking a legitimate question. Can you think of any reasons someone might accidentally pay more attention to votes on one person as opposed to another? You say I enter trying to break rvs. How well do you think town does if rvs never ends? I engaged rvs. I voted mcmenno. Then I saw something that interested me. Why don't you go look at the posts before and after my question, then tell me when rvs ended. Your accusation doesn't make sense on many levels. You might even call it busy work.In post 240, Narna wrote:I'm trying to get the ball rolling. Lane didn't really engage rvs at all, and he enters the game trying to break rvs by questioning something that didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Dreal's bit on Frank, and KT's question seem like more genuine attempts to break rvs here.In post 238, ɀefiend wrote:Even though it might have been the first non-RVS post made in the game? Someone's gotta get the ball rolling right?
Who else is on your suspicion list that didn't really engage in rvs? Are kt and dreal on your list for trying to break rvs? Like you said I was doing?My bad there, but the point is still pretty much that the question falsely associates Dreal with Mcmenno.
I wasn't a fan of Snarky's "hurr modvote" or Frank's first joke from rvs. I mentioned that KT and Dreal's attempts at breaking rvs seemed genuine in the post you quoted.
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Not typically, but possibly?In post 377, Narna wrote:
Fair point, I didn't really want to start a huge rvs debate in rvs. Taking rvs too seriously comes from town and scum, and the questions seemed null coming from Dreal.In post 277, lane0168 wrote:I'm also noting nama calling my question busy work, but dreals questioning rvs votes on mcmenno is not mentioned.
One of them takes actual observation. One of them is about as easy as it gets
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Lol so you let someone off lurking because they tell people to vote who you don't likeIn post 391, drealmerz7 wrote:
anti-lurk gun holstered!In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.
Lane is a good choice otherwise though.
Despite them contributing nothing besides that
Real townie attitude here lol-
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No, scum can't mislynch on their own, in fact the majority of mislynches are voted by town, aside from lylo.In post 379, Narna wrote:
If you do something that has an anti town result, you're likely to be implicated. Would you be suspicious of people who lead a mislynch? Of course the results alone don't determine everything. I used "implicate" for a reason, and you are putting words in my mouth.In post 278, lane0168 wrote:
If revealing turns out to be bad for town, how does that implicate KainTepes? Either is AI or NAI. You can't decide that after the fact, because scum or town could ask about it. The results don't determine KainTepes alignment, unless you can convince me otherwise right now.In post 244, Narna wrote:
If revealing shit turns out to be bad for town, it would implicate KT and I think that more likely than not, it would help solve the gamestate down the line. If revealing stuff doesn't effect the game much at all, then it may force scum into lying more. However, given the mod gave a warning about revealing your answers, I don't blame you for being cautious.In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm reluctant to assume revealing my answer does town any goodIn post 233, KainTepes wrote:because you are reluctant to reveal your answer,, and insistent on scumreading me for asking this question, and i dont think you have a good reason for trying to stop people from answering my question
I'm not soley SRing because you ask the question, and you simplifying it as such as a way to dismiss the validity of my concerns is even more telling
my reasons are pro-town cautionary
and itseems like you're zoooming as fast as you can to get whatever you can before my CAUTIONARY influence is heeded at all (and you try to discredit my influence at the same time, of course)
people can always reveal in time to come, they can never take it back
do you see my concern?
also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
But do you get where I'm coming from?
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It's a notch below FoS because it's a minor ping, not a gut feeling.In post 387, Aristophanes wrote:
It took longer than it should have for me to figure out what this meant. Usually we just call it an FoS (Finger of Suspicion). IGMEOY works though lolIn post 383, ɀefiend wrote:IGMEOY-
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I don't see why. Snarkys post is empty and useless. Also I get the feel like you didn't read my wallpost at all.In post 391, drealmerz7 wrote:
anti-lurk gun holstered!In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.
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That is exactly my point. Read this sentence in the context of my case lol.In post 392, McMenno wrote:
I mean twou ouf thouse points are literally I was nout oun at the time sou I've resigned to him being either a lyncher oun me our bad scumIn post 383, ɀefiend wrote:However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy.-
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Davsto took option 1) at the time. Hell, he even voted himself. He didn't start scumhunting until later when he jumped in to the conversation with drealmerz. By your logic Davsto is scummy for that just like McMenno.In post 393, Desperado wrote:
When a player is wagoned he has four options:In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.
1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting
1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.
So you admit you're conf-biasing on this point. You keep referencing the McMenno "wagon" like it's pertinent when in actuality 1) there was a bigger wagon (Davsto) and 2) the relevant content was between drealmerz and Lane; nothing concerning McMenno directly.As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.
Actually, many people have touched on the questionnaire thing. Lane, Aristophanes, and Narna all answered. Davsto kinda answered. I briefly said why it was pointless. So your statement that there's alignment indicators out there leaves more to be desired than just a single read on drealmerz.
Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
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is this your habit to unvote right after you replace,, without reading yet??
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Prod recieved. Need to vla until the 23rd. Ill be able to check in a few times while vla
VOTE: lane
His push on drealm didn't look genuine.
Drealm freaking out seems town, but im sure he is aware of his most recent scum meta. Im still thinking hes town though.
Ive got another scum read but i need to see what plays out before I give it any wieght.
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Not at this time since the odds are 50-50 on you or someone else needing this info to murder people.In post 417, KainTepes wrote:OK,, so can you tell us what youanswered for the QUESTION about whether you like to play as town or scum or third party??
If you want answers from people you should focus on convincing them to trust you first.
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Awesome. Drops a vote and vla's til the 23rd. He better check inIn post 420, FrankJaeger wrote:Prod recieved. Need to vla until the 23rd. Ill be able to check in a few times while vla
VOTE: lane
His push on drealm didn't look genuine.
Drealm freaking out seems town, but im sure he is aware of his most recent scum meta. Im still thinking hes town though.
Ive got another scum read but i need to see what plays out before I give it any wieght.
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