Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[cassielle]

actually no. the push on me is entirely irrelevant. its the same thing i got on you about on d1 -- ending day early -- combined with "24 hrs to respond" followed 20 minutes later by a day-ending hammer, combined with an incomprehensible creature scumread. shade did have a good showing though and im not ready to toss that slot out entirely on the basis of a relatively small quantity of posts. im mostly floundering for good reads

p-edit: lie? i didnt lie about anything to the best of my knowledge, point out what youre seeing?

please actualyl read 974. particularly the last two paragraphs before the p-edit. i am ditching my reads because i was mistaken about something and i need to figure out what before i can build a new townblock. so im keeping my townreads minimal on /that/ basis alone. but y'know get on me about misrepping your play then do same to mine ofc

p-edit2: re: 999: because i dont treat someone as my absolute best possible scumread and want to lynch them after they claim unless im dead certain. why has no one counterclaimed? idk maybe he is town, in which case ok, im making a mess of things here. but im feeling certain enough to be assuming atm that there is a diff reason theres no CC.

[Creature]

So far schadd_ is the only possible counterclaim to Rask.

[Creature]

If he doesn't counterclaim, no matter how scummy you think Rask is, he is confirmed town and if you try to lynch him it could be classified as "gamethrowing".

[Creature]

Also, which we should wagon? -Grey- or RadiantCowbells?

tbh rakkar and Shade weren't good and -Grey- and RadiantCowbells aren't looking good either.

[Raskolnikov]

alright, cass checks out.

At least, as far as I can tell. She wasn't who I checked.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Grey

Why did you feel so happy voting with your scumreads?

[Creature]

VOTE: Grey

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Grey

Why did you feel so happy voting with your scumreads?

Why don't you remind us who the first person was to push Cass.

[Raskolnikov]

Why don't you remind me why you changed your mind.

[cassielle]

so i wont try? my concerns with rask are shared with no one, that wagon isnt goingto ever get traction at this point, ive stated as much and im fully aware of it. trying to get him lynched in, say, lylo or mylo is pointless -- no townie will jump on board and the (possible) scumbuddy cant bus alone, i can ONLY hurt town (worst case) or waste my vote (best). ive given up that wagon, believe me, i just still feel it

p-edit: im staying off a grey wagon unless someone can REALLY convince me

[Creature]

What's your opinion on rakkar?

[Raskolnikov]

I'd want to think that if cass was paired with anyone but a newbie she'd know enough about how counterclaims work to feel very ridiculous in her push. But I suppose that isn't an entirely safe assumption either.

[cassielle]

rakkar's slot is my slot, my opinion is my role pm says im town :\

p-edit: its not even a push at this point rask, more of a ridiculous belief system thats well past its expiration date but still being used to make decisions

and believe me i know how ridiculous i look here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if you really think that the way i shook up the gamestate was totally unnecessary, id like to see it in a post, clearly spelled out

to clarify...

do you mean regardless of alignment?

because i think it's

necessary

for you to do to play to your wincon, i just don't townread the way you did it any longer

I'd want to think that if cass was paired with anyone but a newbie she'd know enough about how counterclaims work to feel very ridiculous in her push. But I suppose that isn't an entirely safe assumption either.

cassie has offsite experience, it absolutely can be faked imo

[Raskolnikov]

Gigabyte top picks for scum?

[-Grey-]

Why don't you remind me why you changed your mind.

ISO me punk, I'm not catering to your shit when I've been the one who has been pushing her with no fucking support until RC came in and tried to knock some sense into you people.

Cass spent all day d1 fishing for mislynches by painting people as scum and ran away with her tail between her legs when somebody bit back.

I felt sorry for her because we're in the newbie queue so I let up on her. Big whoop. It didn't make her play any less scummy.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Gigabyte top picks for scum?

cassie and rc still

cannot see any other options, grey possibly has rused me but this still reads like his towngame to me so i'm not considering that today

[Creature]

Oh whoops, thought -Grey- was rakkar.

[Raskolnikov]

It's really a pity RC only had that cass vote for a couple minutes, so I couldn't see if grey or anyone else would have hopped on or not.

[Creature]

Your opinion on GAYreen?

[mattblackguy]

Oh whoops, thought -Grey- was rakkar.

Cass was rakkar

[gigabyteTroubadour]

trying to AI read rakkar seems kind of pointless i really don't get your line of thought here

[Raskolnikov]

I think it's really out of character for Grey to push Cass as hard as they did yesterday and to accept a compromise wagon.

Is this a fair assessment when there was no one else willing? Actually, if I were scum and there was no one else willing to lynch my partner, I would feel extra safe to just keep pushing them.

[Creature]

2. -Grey- GAYreenHamster
3. RadiantCowbells Shade
4. Cassielle rakkar
5. schadd_

I sorta think scum are all here.

[cassielle]

i meant for town, but ok. your (and everyone elses, the blame isnt wholly on you here) townreads were so heavily crystallized that you scumread tb and rakkar and EVERYONE else was more or less town. tb flipped town and im town. ergo, the townblock you initially had was wrong. QED.

why did i do it the way that i did? well, why was the townblock so crystallized?

because the majority of the slots were so strongly townread no one even considered the possibility of one of them being scum in disguise

ergo, we needed to look at those slots in detail. my methods were geared toward that. i cleared people quickly because i was trying to find the scum, not waste my time with probable townies.

p-edit: GAYreen was a weird case. my read is "probably town" but i examined that ISO front and back and theres weirdness that feels noob, but GAYreen wasnt a noob iirc

p-edit 2: thats an interesting list creature