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[xSoniaNevermindx]

Sup bitches.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Sure.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

UNVOTE:

[xSoniaNevermindx]

What's up TwoFace.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

over the top fake AtE

xSoniaNevermindx replaces Creeps20

You're in for a treat.

LMFAO FUCK YOU

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Lol I didn't see the mod note and got really confused

Hi Sonia. Maybe you'll be done your read through before aj!

I don't re read.

Although I may check the flipped scums iso but that's prob it.

Was Math a likely nk or was it prob from bg?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't re read.

Then why did you replace in?

That's unacceptable.

I felt like it.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Lol I didn't see the mod note and got really confused

Hi Sonia. Maybe you'll be done your read through before aj!

I don't re read.

Although I may check the flipped scums iso but that's prob it.

Was Math a likely nk or was it prob from bg?

my opinion is math targeted nacho who was the nk. couldve easily been direct targeted but eh, i dont see it, and the mason besides nacho has been less active and generates less discussion. i want to also say nacho has better reads but he town reads me and luv scum reads me so clearly as the only one that knows im townie im heavily biased in that.

anyways, what id ideally want from you is to, if you wont reread (i completely disagree but whatever i also get that its a ton of effort), skim the iso's of first fitz and then nacho/aj and give your thoughts. i town read your slot or id be more concerned with you not rereading.

Another Mason game? Oh boy.
Aj/nacho are masons I assume?
Did the mason claim d1 before the bg target or after.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't see the advantage to read a confirmed town's iso because that would just influence my own opinion but I promise to read the scums iso either later or tomorrow

Pedit: Ohhh okay.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

People that are Conftown/probtown
TwoFace - fitz push Lol.
Lil Uzi Vert - mason sure.
Frankjaeger - backup BG ehhhhhhh okay
Gamma Emerald - fitz push Lol.
Nachomamma8 - mason sure.
Joshz - predecessor Eric townslipped Where?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

and the reason i want you to read aj/hiraki is that i cant decide which is more likely scum because both have compelling cases and it is likely only 1 is scum

frank is only conftown if you think the setup is likely to have a backup bg (bg and masons being only other prs afaik) or not, though i think most people agree hes prolly telling the truth.

Just coming out of a game with masons it's def a "wait a minute" flag.
Did he claim under pressure or was there a massclaim type of thing going on.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

kk just read Eric w/e slot that is seems town to me he's adorable "can we role claim?" "what is d1" awwww <3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If there's another pr I'd assume they'd have claimed already cause I doubt there'd be masons bg/backup / 5th pr.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

and the reason i want you to read aj/hiraki is that i cant decide which is more likely scum because both have compelling cases and it is likely only 1 is scum

frank is only conftown if you think the setup is likely to have a backup bg (bg and masons being only other prs afaik) or not, though i think most people agree hes prolly telling the truth.

Just coming out of a game with masons it's def a "wait a minute" flag.
Did he claim under pressure or was there a massclaim type of thing going on.

under pressure, he was being lynched. fwiw me and the masons were also on his wagon and scum reading him. i am too new to assert whether or not the setup made sense with a backup bg so i let them decide.

I'd have felt better if it was said out in the open cause it seems like a save my ass claim.
If it was said in the open I'd stay back for a sec

VOTE: Frank

I'll just leave that for now.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I could trigger happy cause my scum buddy claimed bodyguard and won in a game with masons just the game before but it just seems meh.

I'll prob be able to get more from interactions with the scum iso

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Only 5 days jeez I was praying for a bit more time but meh

Top wagon makes sense if what everyone says is true (said they'd vote scum and didn't) What was there defense to this? If they made one that is.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Creeps Iso was lackluster ngl

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Later today I plan on reading scum iso and then chillin like a villain

any questions hmu

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Forgot about this tbh

and I feel really lazy...yay procrastination

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Walk me through the logic of how him believing new players don't get scum when he claims to have played for 7 years. I think I get what you're going for (he's new, thought new can't get scum, ergo isn't scum) but I'm not really seeing it, especially when he claims to have a lot of experience.

He thought that site newbies couldn't get scum, which is fairly common as far as "other site metas" go. 7 years of experience also doesn't mean a ton of games which is something you should know by now; you should also be able to tell that he's probably a newbie by his play style regardless of what he states in thread.

This is wrong. feels like a stretch I think 7 years hell I'd assume a lot of games aswell it's not black and white and not being able to tell he's a noob are you srs?
idk what you're reaching for but I don't like it

VOTE: Nacho

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If you vote AJ you can procrastinate as long as you like

tempting

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Nacho is a near-confirmed mason.

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I may have forgot about this

UNVOTE:

[xSoniaNevermindx]

kk just read Eric w/e slot that is seems town to me he's adorable "can we role claim?" "what is d1" awwww <3

And, I'm sorry, but when you read these Eric posts did you assume that he played a ton of games?

Not at all he seemed like a clearly new player but the way you're actying I don't read that post as scummy as you do.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm in a league game let me answer better when it's over

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I just don't see what you find scummy about that post when Aj's logic seems to add up yes eric was acting new but he claimed to have experience so that contradicts what's so BAD anout the post in question

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I just don't see what you find scummy about that post when Aj's logic seems to add up yes eric was acting new but he claimed to have experience so that contradicts what's so BAD anout the post in question

He was holding him up to "he's been playing 7 years" standard instead of just reading the player. I don't think that AJ would read Eric's posts and get anything except for the conclusion that you drew from reading them

I only see this as a problem if Aj used this as a reason to sr the slot.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

So this is my notification that I'm still reading and such.

A point is I think it's highly likely Joshz is scum. Eric Rasputin was highly suspect and what I've read on this page does nothing to make me warm and fuzzy about the slot. Specifically, drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play. New players are honest and easily readable as town, if not confused. Inconsistency is a great way to catch the differentiation if nothing else.

VOTE: Aj

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You can hammer that if you want friend I have my 3 scumreads all set to go.

Pedit: I can read tonight or after the vote is hammered unless I see something major in the scum iso to make me change it

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If we can't get an Aj wagon going I'll hammer but my lynch choice is

Aj > Hira > The backup bg who's name I forget I think it was frank?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

wut

[xSoniaNevermindx]

OH HIS NAME

Brain fart

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Walk me through the logic of how him believing new players don't get scum when he claims to have played for 7 years. I think I get what you're going for (he's new, thought new can't get scum, ergo isn't scum) but I'm not really seeing it, especially when he claims to have a lot of experience.

He thought that site newbies couldn't get scum, which is fairly common as far as "other site metas" go. 7 years of experience also doesn't mean a ton of games which is something you should know by now; you should also be able to tell that he's probably a newbie by his play style regardless of what he states in thread.

This is wrong. feels like a stretch I think 7 years hell I'd assume a lot of games aswell it's not black and white and not being able to tell he's a noob are you srs?
idk what you're reaching for but I don't like it

VOTE: Nacho

I have no words.

shhhh let it die in the thread.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Aj's issue is the way he's playing given what's been pointed out to me and the little convo I had seems to be screaming opportunistic on jumping on the eric slot it's not disagreeing that's the sr it's the way he went at it.

The reason you're sr isn't about disagreeing either it's just extremely strange you promise to vote scum and never do.

correct me if I'm wrong but where do you see anything that looks like voting cause of a disagreement

[xSoniaNevermindx]

But your logic is that most of the people shouldn't vote him based on a disagreement yeah?

That's what I'm trying to disprove.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'd rather not be tr due to being the replacement but I'll take what I can get I guess.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

That or he forgot

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You would think the person at L-1 would be more frantic/trying harder if himself and his tr were the top 2 lynch choices when it's clear Aj is also a good wagon.

Alright that does it for me

Intent

[xSoniaNevermindx]

AJ hasn't even given his summary yet and hasn't done anything that's actually scummy. See my discussion with xSonia on the difference between what he said and what people think he said.

I don't see how you can scumread Vedith fairly so I don't know how to defend that.

@nacho: Yeah but we're at a little more than a day and 6 hours with xSonia already declaring intent - there's a point where you gotta understand that even though Gamma is literally the scummiest person in the game, you gotta die for him to be lynched D3 wink wink nudge nudge

I'm not going to hop over to the other wagon because it might be nicer

@xSonia - I've been the leading wagon for about the entire day (so about a week now) but this was before you replaced in so I can understand why you didn't see that

So you're steamed out I assume is what this post means.
Fair but if you've been the leading wagon for a bit this just makes me feel better cause 2 results happen here
A) You're scum yay everyone wins!
B) You're town and everyone has to look at new options cause you'd prob be a fall back lynch at anytime.

No downside here.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'll take you up on that offer

I want Aj to give a bit more before I hammer but that's all I'm waiting for at this point

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oh wait did Ari full claim?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You would think the person at L-1 would be more frantic/trying harder if himself and his tr were the top 2 lynch choices when it's clear Aj is also a good wagon.

Alright that does it for me

Intent

You'd think that Hiraki as scum would be more willing to vote his counterwagon when he's in danger.

Would you vote your counter wagon if it was a tr or try to get a new one going?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

See were getting somewhere.
And what point's the point of the "dumb read" on Aj then.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'll take you up on that offer

I want Aj to give a bit more before I hammer but that's all I'm waiting for at this point

@Aj

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Are you fine with this wagon do you think it's gonna flip town/scum
Are you finally caught up or decently so?
If you had to guess a few sr's what would it be
can you explain your top 2 tr's outside of masons a bit more
What do you think of the backup bg claim

[xSoniaNevermindx]

oooo
I'm gonna sleep and wake up and wait for aj's thing
then I'll hammer but this playing out could be interesting

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Okay just woke up and seems like this is a bit stale so I'm just gonna

VOTE: Hiraki

[xSoniaNevermindx]

the funny thing is I don't think Frank dying.
I'm still iffy on the backup bg claim

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If we assume he does die though I'm gonna look at the scum iso (gonna do that anything) and look at a few players and try and some tr's cause you're the next obv lynch choice.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I really dislike a point that you did (try to sr eric by treating him of standards) but besides that there's nothing really I can be like "wow look at those posts it's pretty scummy
I should be able to have a read on Gamma quite soon cause I've never read him wrong in the many games we've played together
If you're town Aj what you should be doing is not worry about yourself and just find the scum you think are on these wagons get some tr's and move this forward yourself cause at the end of the day only you can do that

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm normally not capable of guiding a town by myself, so that's why I think Nacho being alive is so damn paramount. What my main goal is to try and setup the core of a town to be ready for nacho's departure. Yeah I'll work on scumhunting but I think we have to clean this game up to find the town people and engage them first.

You don't need to do it by yourself as this is a team game town has to work as a team to find the scum and scum have to work as a team to protect and guide each other to a win
If you're better at finding town say "these are town and why"
If you're better at finding scum say "these are scum and way
I know these are very basic points and I could be wasting my breath talking to scum but hey!
Can't help myself

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm going to give myself a reason for Nacho to die!

Fixed.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Yeah no wifom. Protect nacho

^
It's our best bet even if you disagree just do it.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Lynch aside, Frank dying there was optimal in my eyes. Cleared up a slot for me that I was unsure of.

No Vote (9): TwoFace, Vedith, Lil Uzi Vert, xSoniaNevermindx, Aj The Epic, Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Aristophanes, Nachomamma8

Luv Sonia Nacho Josh are Town. Twoface probably too (I DONT LIKE HOW HARD HE TUNNELLED ON HIRAKI BUT HWATEVER).

That leaves Vedith, Aj, Gamma, and Aristophanes. 2/4 of those are 90% the scum. Nacho, now is the time to post your towncase on Aristo zzzzzz

Why do you tr me/Twoface?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Why are you clearing Sonia
Look at fitz' push on me near the end of Day 1
I'm p much clear

ewwwwww

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Gamma
I just looked at the wagons at the end of the day
you were no where near getting close to lynched.
So what makes you think you're clear.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Sonia

Really it's disappointing, but you've been able to provide no decent answers and instead insisted on going for lynch bait.

Decent answers to what I don't think I've been asked anything.
What makes gamma lynch bait to you I can read him pretty dam well

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Gamma come back and answer me friend
you better not be hiding on me :c

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Didn't read interactions just looked at the vote count.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Not an excuse
I looked at the vote count when he said he should be cleared for a push he didn't have that many votes on him so I don't think why he thinks he should be cleared
Regardless making a statement like "look at me scum pushed on me!" Is bad in almost any case.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You still need to tell me why you think Gamma is lynch bait.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You still need to tell me why you think Gamma is lynch bait.

HIRAKI was the lynch bait, that you decided to hammer. Not Gamma.

Hira was pretty scummy from the context I was given and he may have been lynch bait but in my eyes it was better to get him out of the game while we have a mislynch because he could've very well have been scum and if he was town no one could push him later on down the road in a more critical time I don't think it was bad to hammer him at all

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If you were so sure that he was lynchbait why didn't you start up a wagon why wait until after he's lynched to start coming into action like that's what I don't understand

Pedit: I was told he said he would vote scum and he didn't that's fishy and a dam good enough reason to lynch him imo I didn't know he was gonna be a ml

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I just think you're outright wrong because I am dumbfounded how you can find any of that scummy what so ever

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Luv I'm not pushing Aj at all.
I'm pushing gamma got your facts right!

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Hi Aris how are you
What's your reads so far has your sr on my slot gone up down not changed
did you expect that flip?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm doing very well I got to get off work half early so that was pretty darn great!

Why do you think the Hiraki wagon stayed the way it was it didn't seem people were very vocal with the lynch and it was "eh okay"

[xSoniaNevermindx]

May I ask what the creeps sr was for in the first place?
That can be answered by anyone btw

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Scummy smokescreen? O_o

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I agree that re reading creeps iso I didn't find anything amazing but I didn't really find anything that screamed scummy to me either.
Not bias I swear.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Could've swore you were pushing him. So your case on Gamma is him treating himself like confirmed town? I think he knows that we know that is far from the case.

I know but I disliked the way he worded it and acts because of it it's basically like "you're stupid for pushing me because I'm confirmed town"
It's really defensive and the approach could've been a lot better the only thing that makes me hesitate is...it's gamma lol

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Disagree with the 2nd part of the 2nd post
Agree with the first
And I'll take your word for the first post

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Anyone who claims pr and people don't back off at least a little bit without some type of inside info raise my eyebrows

[xSoniaNevermindx]

i certainly didn't.
i didn't have inside information.
does that mean that you think that i might be scummy again?

You had inside info with your mason claim.
That's inside info

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Like If I had a sr on fliz me as a VT sees a Jailkeeper claim I would've unvoted and been like "okay wait a second"

This could just be because the site I come from this normally happens a lot but the fact people keep going ALL STEAM AHEAD makes me think it's scum bus who know it's not true or you're a pr who thinks the jailkeepr claim doesn't fit

[xSoniaNevermindx]

how is it inside info if he pub claimed ?????

Inside info is info you know that others don't as in if you're a power role that's info you know.
I forgot the masons claimed at that point so that kinda weakens my reason cause I understand how people can be like "masons and jailkeeper?"
The bodyguards should've (and I hope they did) go right for fliz's head when he claimed

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Okay so a better example is

Say you're a bodyguard claim and the person near L-1 claims doctor that'd prob make you raise eyebrows cause there another protective right? As in want to vote them

Now if a VT sees a doctor claim they'll prob (at least most) back off at least a little bit cause it's a fucking doctor claim

see what I'm saying?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Btw I don't think Masons should out reasons why they tr someone unless said person is getting votes/someone getting lynched like nac just did with ari because others can simply sheep said reasons for there tr from a mason
I assume masons have a pt and putting there reasons there would be good so when 1 dies you can basically say "my partner thought ___ was town because of ____"

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Okay so a better example is

Say you're a bodyguard claim and the person near L-1 claims doctor that'd prob make you raise eyebrows cause there another protective right? As in want to vote them

Now if a VT sees a doctor claim they'll prob (at least most) back off at least a little bit cause it's a fucking doctor claim

see what I'm saying?

Sure, usually. With two claimed masons, JK claim doesn't mesh quite so well.

yeah that kinda makes my point semi moot.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Btw I don't think Masons should out reasons why they tr someone unless said person is getting votes/someone getting lynched like nac just did with ari because others can simply sheep said reasons for there tr from a mason
I assume masons have a pt and putting there reasons there would be good so when 1 dies you can basically say "my partner thought ___ was town because of ____"

the issue with this is the masons have had vastly different reads pretty much all game

Yeah but it's not like the masons are gonna hide their partners reads right?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

No I agree I think you're not getting what I'm saying or trying to say

I'm saying that the reasons shouldn't be outted so others can use those reasons themselves for there own tr

[xSoniaNevermindx]

No I agree I think you're not getting what I'm saying or trying to say

I'm saying that the reasons shouldn't be outted so others can use those reasons themselves for there own tr

Which doesn't make any sense to me.
You seem to be arguing that no one should give reasons for townreads so that people can townread people for their own reasons.

For the masons yes I think they should keep quiet and just say who they tr and give reasons in a PT
I think it'd be easier to tell if reads are more genuine or not them simply just stating "I agree" or "I think this is right"

[xSoniaNevermindx]

What's hard to understand? o-o

[xSoniaNevermindx]

What's hard to understand? o-o

Why does Masons giving reads weaken towns reads as a whole?

It doesn't it just makes non masons giving reads easier to tell if there fake or real I don't see a downside to masons keeping their reasons for themselves when they can give all the reads in the world in the mason thread

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Like am I stupid cause this seems pretty good to me

[xSoniaNevermindx]

can Vedith slot and Twoface do something so I can read them ty

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'll get too this later

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I can agree that it seems like Aj is def trying to step up his game more today than what I saw the day before where did this sudden motivation come from?
I'll read that case on Gamma later on for now I have ginger bread to make

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Merry Christmas everyone.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't really have a read for fish face here
I'ma just stick to this wagon and hopefully he'll get more content the next day
Unless he's a last minute lynch then meh oh well I like fishsticks :3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oh no I'm 100% Lurking I don't really have much to say so I'm just watching it all go down

[xSoniaNevermindx]

i am what he would call active lurking too because ive already given all my thoughts and just want the thread to progress. empking's reads are basically what we are all waiting for.

^

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Emp

still not impressed with Gamma but with what other people are bringing up it's making it easier to see that this is a pretty decent vote

[xSoniaNevermindx]

But lol hammering is the best hammer...

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Emp a lot of your logic is you either misrepping things or just outright lying and trying to twist it to your advantage and the way things keep progressing I'm leaning towards the ladder
You should give a reads list before someone omes and gives intent on you

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Emp a lot of your logic is you either misrepping things or just outright lying and trying to twist it to your advantage and the way things keep progressing I'm leaning towards the ladder
You should give a reads list before someone omes and gives intent on you

I've given my reads very clearly. Very recently. They haven't changed.

Quote a lie. Do you think 1980 is a lie?

Before I answer
Have you read this whole game.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Give a reads list please. Let me grab it

[xSoniaNevermindx]

ah screw it it's all the active lurking comments
I dislike how you called joshz scum for his lurking when I was doing the EXACT same thing

[xSoniaNevermindx]

See you should make reads on what YOU think not a mason.
This is exactly what I was trying to bring up. before

[xSoniaNevermindx]

*rubs temples*
Can't ever be simple can it.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

uhhhhhh
VOTE: Twoface VOTE:
Okay that's a lie
Scoty claimed tracker and you were still on her wagon without a 2nd thought.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: twoface
So you gonna explain this " I don't vote claimed pr's"
deal ?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68822

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oh mother-
UNVOTE:

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I thought I fucking caught your ass
anyway
VOTE: EMP
Back to this I guess

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't feel as strongly a sr here as I do Gamma/Aj
I'm not against this lynch it's just not my pref'd choice I'm not gonna kick and scream over it though.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'ma just act like I read all these walls and nod my head

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If you want to talk about work off the bat sonia won't even read the thread. :/

Nacho, give the plan for when you die. Who do we lynch in a scum flip from aj (gamma?) AND who in a town flip? We should also get another reads post from you detailing how confident out are in every player being dead. Everyone seems to respect your play; it's important for that to be here.

I will lynch aj for you if you're 100% sure. I think it's a mistake, but I will. This is if TwoFace and luv agree.

You're right I haven't read a lot of day 1 at all but I'd like to think I am at least making up for my laziness in helping the best I can here I'd like to think I've helped a lot in that regard it's what I'm trying to do to make up for it
If we can get an Aj/Gamma lynch perfect I'm all for it
VOTE: Gamma
I pref this will swing to Aj if needed

[xSoniaNevermindx]

That was unexpected.
Not that I mind by the slightest

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can't say I expected that
I rather Gamma get lynched over EMP but I really don't have a pref cause I don't both are scum.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

cause I think*

[xSoniaNevermindx]

2am typo's friend

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Do you think both Gamma/Emp can be scum or just 1?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't know what type of answer I was expecting x)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Interesting stance.

I think I really need to re read twoface because he's the only one I'm like "Well you can go either way" for me atm my other reads feel pretty solid

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Waiting for something to happen before I vote.
hopefully it happens before I leave and if it doesn't I'll just vote

[xSoniaNevermindx]

That was strangely vague

It's suppose to be vague smart one.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

The want to hammer before my V/LA is quite tempting but I think it'd be nice to comeback refreshed so I'ma head off cya all laters!

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Emp flipped scum yay great that was expected!

I'd lynch Aris/Gamma
Aris sudden aggro stance near the end of the day towards me felt really out of place I'd like to hear more on that
Gamma wanting twoface is because he know's he's in a really bad spot and will need to try and get as much wiggle room as he can
Twoface you and Josh are town thank you take another look at the newbie slot and actions and you should be able to see it for yourself

[xSoniaNevermindx]

tbh I say lynch Aristophanes today

Keep talking like this and I may take you off my scum list.
Why do you sr Aris my reason is quite specific so I'd want to hear yours

Also the only thing that gets me shaeky on Aris is Naco's huge case on them

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I for some reason thought we had 2 ml's instead of 1 huh
I still feel quite confident in my 2 tr's I'll re read Twoface but I don't rly see my josh read changing

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I for some reason thought we had 2 ml's instead of 1 huh
I still feel quite confident in my 2 tr's I'll re read Twoface but I don't rly see my josh read changing

this really should be the other way around.

the only town read that should not change is the one on me, you need to re-read josh for sure.

but before you do that, lay out your reasons for who you want to lynch please.

Didn't I just do this in 2533?
I haven't really seen much from Aris that I look and see that's towny but to be fair that's very little I've seen
Gamma's whole "scum was pushing on me so I'm clear" really pinged me the wrong way it felt like he was just trying to call us morons for pushing him instead of understanding why were pushing him it's his auto defense line

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I went to go read post 180 and I was so confused and it took me 3 minutes to understand what you meant
And I understand the point the reason I am so heavily disregarding it is bringing it up once or twice is fine but when it's your auto go to defense that's when I have an issue.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Also I do sr myself...trust no one not even yourself
You don't think I've contributed much so what's your read on me then I wasn't on the wagon for scum so I wanna hear it

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm 100% offended how dare you insult me over the internet
Part of me doesn't want to re read it so I can be lazy and just follow my reads but I can later on I still find it hard to believe what the newbie said coming from scum unless he was coached into saying that

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Looking else where doesn't hurt though does it?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Hello world. I'll be taking the next few hours to catch up in the thread. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Is the sky really blue
do you like the color magenta
Is pineapple as bad as people tell me
why do we have bees in the world?

Hi :3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oh boy...

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm going to take a dive in some filters. A couple of questions for you guys:

@ TwoFace - What do you consider about my predecessors behavior to be so damning? If my slot isn't mafia, who is? Or are you unwilling to even entertain that?

@ Sonia - Who do you think is the last mafia right now? Who do you consider incredibly unlikely to be mafia?

Gamma/Aris hold last mafia to me and I think you and twoface are town

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I guess were getting srs now hm Okay give me a moment
...this is gonna be fun

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oooo you're 0/2 such a shame I can't wait to destroy your theory piece by piece let us start part 2 of the game shall we?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Listen up kids it's counter time you've given me a topic and now I must counter let's counter it up then!
1)A lot of your comments on me are "void of analysis" I dislike explaining a lot of my thinking I don't really know if it's because it's from the site I play on or I am just lazy let us lean torwards the first one giving giant cases on why I think someone is scum is quite boring to me if I find something I dislike I say why and vote it simple
onto the 2nd!
2) It's not me throwing sus on twoface at all it's more of a "I can't read you very well" It's not finger pointing what so ever I don't know how you got that from that post but it's okay to be wrong
3) You clearly missed the part where I said I was trying to be vague the thing I was waiting for was for Gamma to vote because at that point there were a few places he could jump on and I wanted to see where he would go I think it would've helped my read on him a lot I also was going V/LA because I was going on a trip and I left before I place my vote the thing is you're right I didn't place my vote but you really think me not voting mafia is scummy? How so I mean I did try and get emp lynched the day before (not that hard mind you but still) knowing my scum play I would've prob bussed EMP at that point but that's self meta that really is just wifom I think the point I'm trying to make is why is it scummy that I didn't vote emp and wanted gamma instead?
4)Of course I expected it I said both Gamma/EMP were scum and I wanted both lynched I wanted gamma first but I would've voted EMP aswell so yes I did expect him to flip scum now I want Gamma lynched even if Aris sudden flip has me ringing bells

Post number 2!
1) Why am I so sure you're slot is town? You're right on the fact josh isn't someone I talk about a lot but I do talk about his slot before the newbie and that's the whole bases of a lot of my townread I mostly ignore a lot of people I tr because I like to focus on my scumreads and try to understand why they are sus of the person they are so if I can see if the read is gen or made up it's how I am
2) I am not scared could I be wrong? Yes but what is paranoia going to do? Nothing what so ever I much rather lead with confidence in my actions then be a scared little girl I am going to come at you with all I got and if you can't take it you'll crack and get lynched so yes thank you for noting I am not scared

[xSoniaNevermindx]

sigh is that really the best you had?
That was slightly boring and a bit tedious I was expecting more of a challenge.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

The post you tried to quote on Aris is quite awful because the tone switch sounds overly cocky like they know they have some sort of advantage
who did Aris lynch that day?
Emp and that gives you towncred aka an advantage the tone switch and acting was quite sudden and out of no where

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I understand mafiascum is a dif place then EM where you're trying to give cases on why you sr this person and you flesh out everything you can
do I do that sometimes? I think I do depends on my mood but for the most part if I see a post I dislike and I sr that person I will try and get in there head make a call and look for more posts I dislike
Maybe you sr my play and that's all fine and dandy but in the end wrong

The reason I tr you and Twoface is because twoface's tone is the same as the games I've played with him twice that's the only bit of paranoia I have because i've been wrong on tone reads before
to back that up he helped power lynch havingfliz along with Gamma trying to jump on him for twoface's hammer that I don't really find scummy because as scum he has no reason to draw that extra attention onto himself but scum would take that as a reason to push twoface

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Hopefully we can have a conversation and make things less boring. Yay excitement! I want to look through some of your past games before I comment on "Part 1."

A few questions on Part 2 though:

You're right on the fact josh isn't someone I talk about a lot but I do talk about his slot before the newbie and that's the whole bases of a lot of my townread I mostly ignore a lot of people I tr because I like to focus on my scumreads and try to understand why they are sus of the person they are so if I can see if the read is gen or made up it's how I am

1) Cut can you please explain the basis of your read on Josh?
2) If you have critical information that makes my slot town, why not tell everyone? I'm sure TwoFace would appreciate that information. How can you be alright with him tunneling my slot this late into the game, knowing what you know?
3) You say you "focus on your scumreads", but you weren't providing any analysis on your scumreads either. That leads me to believe that "focusing on your scumreads" is misleading and false.

I am not scared could I be wrong? Yes but what is paranoia going to do? Nothing what so ever

I much rather lead with confidence in my actions then be a scared little girl I am going to come at you with all I got and if you can't take it you'll crack and get lynched

so yes thank you for noting I am not scared

4) If the bolded was true, I would not be calling you mafia. However, your in d4 is anything but "leading with confidence." How would you describe your play on D4 then?

1) The newbie eric was extremely geniune I like his posts and unless he was coached I don't see it coming from scum josh didn't have any posts I really disagree with also EMP's attack on Josh was really random and didn't seem like partner interacion
2) Nope
3) Scumreads take priority so I focus on them to try and get a read on them if you think it's false well I can't really stop you there. you're hung up on analysis when I already said that isn't needed I hate isoing people going post by post it really is boring and annoying it's why I didn't read day 1 the only reason I did read eric was he had barely any posts
4) It doesn't happen all the time but I would most likely say I was in a rushed mood with packing I was sure of a lot of sr's it's just who's most likely to die first I was in a more "idk" state on who the town was in gamma/ari/twoface/emp

[xSoniaNevermindx]

The post you tried to quote on Aris is quite awful because the tone switch sounds overly cocky like they know they have some sort of advantage
who did Aris lynch that day?
Emp and that gives you towncred aka an advantage the tone switch and acting was quite sudden and out of no where

Oops, missed some of your posts.

A "Tone Read" doesn't really tell me much. What is the basis of this tone read?

The post you tried to quote on Aris is quite awful because the tone switch sounds overly cocky like they know they have some sort of advantage
who did Aris lynch that day?
Emp and that gives you towncred aka an advantage the tone switch and acting was quite sudden and out of no where

Also, I just don't understand this post at all.

I'll be quiet now and let you answer what you need to. I need to look at some of your game history. Of course, I still have plenty of more questions.

Please do give me more these have been rather easy to answer.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Excellent.

The post you tried to quote on Aris is quite awful because the tone switch sounds overly cocky like they know they have some sort of advantage
who did Aris lynch that day?
Emp and that gives you towncred aka an advantage the tone switch and acting was quite sudden and out of no where

I still cannot understand this bit on Aris. Can you explain it?

...EMP's attack on Josh was really random and didn't seem like partner interacion...

This as well. Can you elaborate?

4)Of course I expected it I said both Gamma/EMP were scum and I wanted both lynched I wanted gamma first but I would've voted EMP aswell so yes I did expect him to flip scum now I want Gamma lynched even if Aris sudden flip has me ringing bells

Lastly, why do you think Gamma is mafia? Why is he more suspicious than Aris? You don't have to do some crazy try-hard ISO, just tell me the reasons.

1) Aris during the game has mostly been calm and laid back and then at that point all of a sudden he goes super aggro like he has the game figured out along with a scumread on me that comes out of no where it doesn't make that much sense to me
2)

sigh

I'll go grab it in EMP's iso
3) I have already stated why in my iso I'll go hash them up and I've even given reason in my statement if I'm not wrong

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I for some reason thought we had 2 ml's instead of 1 huh
I still feel quite confident in my 2 tr's I'll re read Twoface but I don't rly see my josh read changing

this really should be the other way around.

the only town read that should not change is the one on me, you need to re-read josh for sure.

but before you do that, lay out your reasons for who you want to lynch please.

Didn't I just do this in 2533?
I haven't really seen much from Aris that I look and see that's towny but to be fair that's very little I've seen
Gamma's whole "scum was pushing on me so I'm clear" really pinged me the wrong way it felt like he was just trying to call us morons for pushing him instead of understanding why were pushing him it's his auto defense line

I went to go read post 180 and I was so confused and it took me 3 minutes to understand what you meant
And I understand the point the reason I am so heavily disregarding it is bringing it up once or twice is fine but when it's your auto go to defense that's when I have an issue.

Emp flipped scum yay great that was expected!

I'd lynch Aris/Gamma
Aris sudden aggro stance near the end of the day towards me felt really out of place I'd like to hear more on that
Gamma wanting twoface is because he know's he's in a really bad spot and will need to try and get as much wiggle room as he can
Twoface you and Josh are town thank you take another look at the newbie slot and actions and you should be able to see it for yourself

[xSoniaNevermindx]

there's a bit

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'll be waiting.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

My alt is MariaR if that helps you.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Dang I thought we were becoming friends.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

sigh is that really the best you had?
That was slightly boring and a bit tedious I was expecting more of a challenge.

Those posts were actually quite good. You didn't respond well.

Sure josh did a 180

You just avoided discussing and hid in the background

Never said the points were bad it was fun to answer.
I just expected more
I'm at L minus one if I'm not mistaken

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Well if the event I do get hammered I suggest looking in Gamma/Ari unless you really do have that strong a read against the other but I think I'm right on this one.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

All my answers make sense to me so I'd like to know what you dislike about them.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'd say Gamma I feel quite strongly on it.
I think a lot of the sr is just an irk for my playstyle and I'm not gonna change that so nothing I can really do on that.
I thought using less rage would make me more approachable and in turn less lynchable guess I was wrong.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I feel less worried then I should be tbh I feel like I should be in a semi panic but I'm not maybe cause I'm sick but it's strange hm

Any questions I'm a bit bored

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm fine being lynched aslong as people promise to lynch Gamma after me

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm sick so putting up a giant defense again doesn't feel needed when my lynch is most likely the best for the town
*shrug*
VOTE: Gamma

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Ow prodded I still think the game is over aslong as the lynch is in Aris/Gamma I don't really get the point of waiting on V/LA I think I proved everything to a defult but if you think my reasoning is bad I can't really do much about it
any questions again

[xSoniaNevermindx]

(I forgot this game existed for a bit xD )

[xSoniaNevermindx]

any questions again

Sure!

How do you keep such a calm demeanor when you're about to get hammered and lose the game for your scumteam?

Are you just upset because of 1820 Aris?
I'm quite calm because I'm enjoying myself

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Mini 1820

I'm glad you're having fun
the rope is a bit tight though I'm starting to feel dizzy

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Go on and hammer if you need!
*breathes*
Thank you very much that's quite helpful
I don't know I know a few people that are upset with my play of 1820 x)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Why am I getting proded when I'M GETTING LYNCHED HERE JEEZ

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I also felt strategically that Sonia really put herself in a hole reading my slot as town the way she did. I think the best chance at surviving another day was not trying to put all the eggs in the lynch-Gamma basket, but to actively discredit me and hope that TwoFace went along with his tunnel.

noted that's normally my scum play but I have people with meta on me so I tried to do something dif clearly didn't work out
my 2nd scum loss to date dam

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I 100% needed to ate I agree
I've heard it's less fun when I ate though so I've been quite shy on using it it's hard for me