Micro 670: Death Miller Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[mykonian]

votecount

Culted (2): Darkshadow64540, Lemons
Darkshadow64540 (1): Charloux

not voting (2): rb, culted

[culted]

There's better odds of darkshadow being scum than everyone else so lynching elsewhere is strictly inferior.
VOTE: Darkshadow

L-1 again.

[culted]

With some flips and stuff it should be easier to find the last scum in VCA.

Not sure vca is the way to go here; karnos got pressured early making soft-bussing a lot more feasible.

[culted]

Culted definitely seems like the most scummy one here, including you. I really think you're the miller at this point. This could all be an act of course, but it feels genuine to me.

"culted is the scummiest one here"
"you're also scummy"
"I really think you're the death miller"
"But you could be faking it"
"But it feels genuine"

Woah

[rb]

Lemons is town

[rb]

I don't fancy a Lemons+Charloux+Culted Lylo

[Charloux]

I don't think i will change my mind about Culted just because you agreed that he is scummy. Why is he scummy?
Also if i were scum and in Lemon's place i would try to push for a mislynch on Culted/Charloux and then go for the "Yeah Dark is scum, i made a mistake yesterday"
Also, i think the reasoning behind BNL's townread on me yesterday is because he checked me out. Since he didn't yell scum, i'd have to say that i am not the death miller.
UNVOTE: Dark Need to think if it's Lemons or Dark, still leaning on Dark but this needs more time.

[culted]

Lemons is town

So you think it's just dark then?
Because I hope it's just dark too.

But lemons doesn't seem worried about that.

[culted]

I don't fancy a Lemons+Charloux+Culted Lylo

You're trolling

[Darkshadow64540]

My vote goes wherever rb tells me to put it.

[culted]

I mean if you're all heart-set on throwing this then go ahead and lynch me- enjoy your headache of having a guilty alive in 3 person.

[culted]

Not even sure what I've done that's scummy.

I think dark's hammer is pretty close to a scumclaim.
I think the fact that he had two scumreads (karnos, charloux) the whole game and never deviates from that to be scum indicative.
I think that his interactions with karnos aren't great.
RK voting karnos first thing gives me pause but it is a possible buss considering she moved on to charloux first opportunity.
His play today hasn't really been great either- his read and vote on me is opportunistic seeing as I was the only one in the pool he thought was town,, just makes little sense to bend so easily but it's possible he respects rb so meh.

[culted]

And as for lemons;

And why are BTD's 'unnatural thoughts' scum (415), but karnos' are now town(373)?

This question still doesn't make any sense.

[Lemons]

And as for lemons;

And why are BTD's 'unnatural thoughts' scum (415), but karnos' are now town(373)?

This question still doesn't make any sense.

This was meant to point out that your logic regarding karnos was flawed, yet you expected us to lynch BTD based upon the same logic and nothing else.

[Darkshadow64540]

Not even sure what I've done that's scummy.

I think dark's hammer is pretty close to a scumclaim.
I think the fact that he had two scumreads (karnos, charloux) the whole game and never deviates from that to be scum indicative.
I think that his interactions with karnos aren't great.
RK voting karnos first thing gives me pause but it is a possible buss considering she moved on to charloux first opportunity.
His play today hasn't really been great either- his read and vote on me is opportunistic seeing as I was the only one in the pool he thought was town,, just makes little sense to bend so easily but it's possible he respects rb so meh.

My vote on you is simple, rb thinks you are scum, therfore I am giving him the option if he wants it.

[culted]

I gave more than one reason for thinking btd was scum. Just because they weren't all in one place doesn't mean you get to misrep me it means you need to look at all of my posts and followups and understand where things are implied sometimes and not outright stated. This is called not nitpicking and actually trying to understand a person's trajectory.

It doesn't make sense to compare the analysis of two different thoughts. I've already explained this to you.

How was my logic flawed?

pedit: @lemons

[Darkshadow64540]

My vote goes wherever rb tells me to put it.

[Darkshadow64540]

At this point I'd self hammer if he said to.

[culted]

My vote on you is simple, rb thinks you are scum, therfore I am giving him the option if he wants it.

You can sheep but also put some effort into helping us solve this ya know

[Lemons]

At the time it was all the evidence you'd given.
My suspicion of your read on BTD was primarily due to your heal turn directly after karnos' baseless PR claim, which turned out to be false. I still find this pretty sketchy, and in hindsight it looks like you were looking for a way to stop bussing your partner.

[culted]

At the time it was all the evidence you'd given.
My suspicion of your read on BTD was primarily due to your heal turn directly after karnos' baseless PR claim, which turned out to be false. I still find this pretty sketchy, and in hindsight it looks like you were looking for a way to stop bussing your partner.

No it wasn't.

And that's what I'm saying: why did my read on one player make you suspicious of my read on another player. Keep repeating the same rhetoric all you like it's not gonna suddenly make it make any more sense.

Did most if not everyone respond well to karnos' claim?

[culted]

Like just to thoroughly explain this.

His question is essentially "Why do you think Player A's unnatural thoughts are scum here and Player B's unnatural thoughts are town here"

If lemons is town then he must have found some correlation here. Giving the benefit of the doubt let's say that he found my methods (analyzing thought processes) to be what initially made him link my reads on karnos and btd together.

That doesn't make any sense because
1) No two thoughts are the same- and my reasons and analysis of btd and karnos' particular thoughts were vastly different
2) This is a very common way to scumhunt
3) Reads can change
4) Is contrived because I gave more reasons for scumreading btd than just saying I thought his thoughts were wonky in one post. And he continues to push this point after having all of this explained to him multiple times.

I believe I actually called his entire post scummy. Karnos vote was opportunistic, wasn't engaging with the game at all, mooshing his charloux read into his karnos read looks fabricated and vetted. And I also mentioned (within that same post that lemons is caught up on) that I didn't like his hesitance to vote me and found it suspect that he only implied he scumread me after rb said that he wasn't townreading me. Trust the scum motive is clear with that one. And then continued to followup my push later on a bit as well if I recall.

[rb]

Well hey we're lynching darkshadow today still. No one should be confused about that.

[rb]

At the time it was all the evidence you'd given.
My suspicion of your read on BTD was primarily due to your heal turn directly after karnos' baseless PR claim, which turned out to be false. I still find this pretty sketchy, and in hindsight it looks like you were looking for a way to stop bussing your partner.

Why was karnos' claim baseless?

[rb]

Can u guys all unvote plOx