Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Aristophanes]

I suppose if you conned Vaxkiller into it, you'd have enough to have the lynch there when you add in three scumfucks, but the fact that it'll take all three scumfucks to lynch me should tell you something about how lynchable I am. (Hint: not very.)

I will likely direct efforts elsewhere since tunneling on you on D1 is about 100000x more likely to get me lynched more than you

No, because I am insanely mislynchable as town. Like, ridiculously mislynchable as town. Like, I get mislynched more often than I live. Like, basically the only time I don't get mislynched is when I'm either nightkilled and/or conftown of some sort. You can push a wagon through on me if you wanted to. You also can't be lynched because fuck that, I'll fight every step of the way to keep you alive.

Mastina, please reconsider these two statements.

[Aristophanes]

Or failing that, do Aristophanes.

When did you start scumreading me and why??

[Pine]

Yawn. Entertain me, mortals.

Heyo let's all come along,
Let us gather to hear this song,
It is a tale told far and wide,
About the scumfuck known as Pine.

He came to violate our dear camn,
To ruin her carefully concocted plan,
But here the forces of good will fight,
To destroy the evil known as Pine.

Heyo, let's all sing this song,
And in the process dump our thoughts,
To ask what we see and why,
To see through deceit and lies.

I say his ally is the yellow mouse,
His treachery shouldn't be allowed,
We should not allow him or his kind,
So full of their deceit and lies.

Heyo, let's keep going strong,
Don't be tempted to go wrong,
We're all here with a purpose to find,
Those that were corrupted by Pine.

Among their ranks is Aristophanes,
Who'd be a great lynch on this day,
I say that ending would be fine,
As it would so be damaging to Pine.

Heyo, let's lynch the Aeronaut,
Or maybe Agent Jin if not,
I say this with a sigh,
Don't be corrupted by their lies.

We can be a complacent lot,
So don't let our dear town rot,
Please I beg you to hear my cry,
You've fallen victim to deceit and lies.

This tale should not end here,
And that is my greatest fear,
That soon I will not be alive,
And you'll fall victim to the Pine.

How wonderfully decadent!

[mastina]

Oh lol Pine is the reason for Mastin2. That's awesome XD

Common misconception, but the proof is in the joindates that this isn't true.
If mastin2 was created because of Pine, then the joindate for that account would be spring of 2011, the date I misread Pine.
mastin2 was created on my one-year scumday, October 8th, 2009, before Pine had even signed up as a player on mafiascum.

That alone should show the evidence. There was always the intent for me to switch over to mastin2. There was always the intent for me to abandon the Mastin account. Pine gave me a convenient excuse to switch over, but it was going to happen sooner or later no matter what. He made it happen sooner, yes. That much of the story is true. But the idea that I switched to mastin2 because of the bet about Pine isn't true. It's a mafiascum urban legend.

I've gone over this in more detail before. Like, lots of times. Like here. And VERY thoroughly here. Probably elsewhere too.

[Pine]

Nonsense. You made the secondary account, and then made a bet.

[mastina]

As savage as it is to simply link three players ISO's instead of giving a case on any of them, I feel like you can't complain about the current site meta all game and then proceed to mimic it completely.

No, you see, I'm a mafia hipster. (Not to be confused with a mafia hiplop, which is not to be confused with a mafia hiphop.)
It's okay if it's done ironically.

[mastina]

I have a feeling you want to see how far you can get with me without providing any reasoning and instead just providing the promise that reasoning is there

Why's this just a feeling?
I've been rather explicit that I'm doing exactly that.
I've asked people what they think my reasoning behind doing exactly that is.
Especially my students, who should've picked up on it by now but haven't.
But I've been quite unambiguous about me deliberately putting off pushing you with reasoning for as long as humanly possible.

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol Pine is the reason for Mastin2. That's awesome XD

Common misconception, but the proof is in the joindates that this isn't true.
If mastin2 was created because of Pine, then the joindate for that account would be spring of 2011, the date I misread Pine.
mastin2 was created on my one-year scumday, October 8th, 2009, before Pine had even signed up as a player on mafiascum.

That alone should show the evidence. There was always the intent for me to switch over to mastin2. There was always the intent for me to abandon the Mastin account. Pine gave me a convenient excuse to switch over, but it was going to happen sooner or later no matter what. He made it happen sooner, yes. That much of the story is true. But the idea that I switched to mastin2 because of the bet about Pine isn't true. It's a mafiascum urban legend.

I've gone over this in more detail before. Like, lots of times. Like here. And VERY thoroughly here. Probably elsewhere too.

Shoot, you definitely have told me this before! I read the whole story about your accounts (in the fairy thread I think?) And it was awesome!
Apparently too much to process all at once though.
Or I just forgot.

I probably just forgot.

[Pine]

We should really get back to lynching Ari, folks.

[Aristophanes]

I suppose if you conned Vaxkiller into it, you'd have enough to have the lynch there when you add in three scumfucks, but the fact that it'll take all three scumfucks to lynch me should tell you something about how lynchable I am. (Hint: not very.)

I will likely direct efforts elsewhere since tunneling on you on D1 is about 100000x more likely to get me lynched more than you

No, because I am insanely mislynchable as town. Like, ridiculously mislynchable as town. Like, I get mislynched more often than I live. Like, basically the only time I don't get mislynched is when I'm either nightkilled and/or conftown of some sort. You can push a wagon through on me if you wanted to. You also can't be lynched because fuck that, I'll fight every step of the way to keep you alive.

Mastina, please reconsider these two statements.

reconsider = reconsile

My phone has apparently rejected that word. Did I make it up??

[mastina]

Pretty soon Mastina is going to have to start playing mafia instead of whatever the hell you can call what they're doing.

Soon, sure.

Not now though.

When a player is in actual danger of being mislynched, I'll intervene I suppose.

We're not at that point yet, so.

[Aristophanes]

We should really get back to lynching Ari, folks.

I feel so loves <3

Does my presence frighten you, Pine?

[mastina]

once Ari said he'd be going through the thread, which he started doing, I saw content, opinions being formed, so naturally this heavily tilts the read on that slot.

Yes, Aristophanes has posted. If you call his posting "content", then you and I have very different definitions of that word, mfriend.

[mastina]

(Okay so I suppose scumposting can still be considered content, just content that shows the player to be scum. That's what Aristophanes did.)

[mastina]

She's posted 128 out of 1062 posts this game; that's roughly 10% of the total posts in this game. Now, why is it that 6 out of your 8 posts before you came on today, talked strictly about Mastin and only Mastin?

I'm more interested in why of my 128 posts, he's focused on something like 8 of them leaving out the other 120 or so.

[mastina]

WHAT'S SHE HIDING?

My trump card, of course~

[Aristophanes]

(Okay so I suppose scumposting can still be considered content, just content that shows the player to be scum. That's what Aristophanes did.)

I mean, I'm working on it. The first 15 pages or so haven't given me very much, but I have reads forming.

You've seen my scum and my town games. You should know me better then this Mastina!

Also, I Def read it in the thorough posting in the Birthday thread that went nowhere.

[mastina]

Pine, tell me a story, I'm bored

There once was a man named Pine,
He was a masterful man of mystery and crime.
He's someone who you would always like,
Even while he stabbed you 'til you died.

There was one time on a faithful day,
Where he did in his glamour say,
"I'm not gonna let camn have her way,
This is MY game that we're set to play."

Some people were eager to start,
Many of them were full of heart,
Pine readied to plow them like on a farm,
Picking his choices from a shopping cart.

Yet along came a free agent unseen,
A vengeful spirit who was so keen,
She had entered intent on allying,
But Pine denied her in his cruelty.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,
A saying known since days of yore,
So when she found her heart was torn,
She became a wrathful spirit of lore.

And thus she would dominate the day,
Just so that to her friend she could say,
"Fuck you, your picks were lame,
So now I'm gonna have my way."

[mastina]

And? I'm pretty sure that's what most of this game thinks, since it's you know, common sense.
Yep, I'm the only one who thinks we shouldn't let a game designed to fuck with us fuck with us, obviously. That's why nacho is the leading wagon, right?

Mafia exercise time.

This is a really fun one, I promise you.

Who here can spot the problematic nature of these two statements being placed back-to-back?

There's something very glaringly obvious in here. I could tell you at any time, but I want you to think for a sec, stretch your minds, and see if you're capable of figuring it out for yourselves.

I'm fairly certain the second half of this post is sarcastic. Like, I'd bet on that. Did you not catch that or did I miss something else in my reading of it?

I'm aware of Aeronaut being sarcastic. It's what the sarcasm is saying which contributes to the problem. The sarcasm, translated into non-sarcastic language, says, "Everyone knows this, and nobody's listened".

There's still a problem with those two statements.

And nobody's answered the challenge for what the problem is.

[mastina]

we still love you, mastina

I'd love you back if it weren't for the fact that your read is fucking wrong.
I mean I can love people who correctly scumread me.
And I can love people who correctly townread me.
And I love most of all when people incorrectly townread me.
But I can't love people who incorrectly scumread me, sorry.

[mastina]

Mastina, please reconsider these two statements.

I don't see the issue. They're fine as-is. They're not mutually exclusive.

[mastina]

Or failing that, do Aristophanes.

When did you start scumreading me and why??

Serious time?

Serious time, because I don't have any other scumreads.

I stopped scumreading Nacho. That could be a mistake, but all the same I did in fact stop.
I stopped scumreading Fate. I 100% KNOW that's a rational mistake ESPECIALLY given the lack of a Nacho scumread and the nature of Pine's picks, but for some reason I just didn't think he was scum when Nacho wasn't scum.
I stopped scumreading TheRealGin-N-Tonic. Their start for this game was atrocious, but their content has gotten stronger and stronger as the day has gone on. I know that they could be receiving coaching, and I KNOW that TheRealGin-N-Tonic went into this game not having read my theory work but by now has read most/all of it so no fucking duh would be getting better, but the amount of improvement this game is astronomical--I don't think that's how TheRealGin-N-Tonic would improve if actually scum.
I'm not scumreading Monokuma. The case people like Nacho and Fate push against them? Thoroughly makes me go, 'meh'. I mean, they're not exactly a shining beacon of towniness, either. And I know they have a strong scumgame. I just don't see their play here as actually being scum.

BTD6's posting has gotten weaker and weaker. But I haven't been scumreading him. His early posting felt incredibly sincere and surprisingly insightful--wrong, but at least doing shit which looked like it was something good.
Vaxkiller hasn't given me strong townvibes, but he hasn't given me scumvibes, either. The content he has given has made me lean towards town more than not, and I don't see the case for him being scum.
Prism's content has also gotten weaker than their strong start, but they did in fact have a strong start. I don't see this as a scumgame from them at all.
SirCakez is scummy, but I'm not scumreading him because this isn't his scumgame. He's town. His posting is town. While there are things he says which make me cringe on occasion, he's just town. Not scum. Just town.
drealmerz doesn't have a scummy bone in his body, aside from the lackluster strength behind his push on me and some tonal problems early-on, but both of those aren't things I actually had a problem with.

You, on the other hand: pisskop did nothing to make me think he was town, and was already plummeting down my readslist prior to your entrance into the game. Your entrance was null, so it didn't worsen the read, but because the above was happening, you moved into a POE scumread. And then when you add in your catchup, you get a serious scumread.

[Vaxkiller]

@Fate
In response to your 929 and 957 bullshit. You are the one that is not giving a complete picture. I tried asking you a question and you dodged it, so I can only take that dodge and the previous information and take a guess at what you are thinking.
Here is what happened without fates editing:
Posts 577 578 584

I have outlined CLEARLY in my posts 436 630 633 710 why fate is scum and all he has done is yell/rant and edit posts to push his agenda. We clearly have scum caught and we need to tighten the noose.

that is why my vote is

*puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*

immobile

you don't let that live past D1, ppls!

fate can go tomorrow

zipzip

we clearly have 2 scum wagons going

fate and mastina

can we please consolidate on mastina first

fate tomorrow is much easier than mastina tomorrow

trust me please

Dreal, first off, neither of these sound town to me. it sounds like we caught your scum buddy and you are desperately trying to lynch a townie instead, an then tomorrow you will have some bullshit excuse why not to lynch fate.

Dreal, talk to me, are you seriously saying that mastina is going to be harder to lynch day 2 then fate on day 2?

[Vaxkiller]

The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.

Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!

Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.

Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.

Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<

Worried?

Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI

Pine's tellign the truth here


Whichis exactly what I said

Nacho first round scum pick

Fate second round town pick

???

profit

You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?

Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.

Hate to burst your bubble.

I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?


VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.

Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is

too rehearsed

and that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.

I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.

This post is really interesting. Before I give my thoughts, Aero, can you tell me why fate is scum to you?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{mastina, Nacho}
{dreal, Fate}
{Prism, SirCakez}
{Secret Agent Jin, Aeronaut}
{Vax, BTD6, Monkuma, Ari}
{}