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Post Post #147 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:40 am

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Yo I'm here gonna read up
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Post Post #460 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 72, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 21, farside22 wrote:
vote: grapes


Some pretty cool mechanics for this game compared to last.
I can also confirmed myself as town but I need players to target me tonight to do so.

Oh on top of that I'm in a
masonry with firebringer

I'm sure doubters with be a plenty.
In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I am in a masonry with SirCakez
so idk how reliable your claim is o.o

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I'M IN A MASONRY WITH...umm...whoever rolled Lapis Lazuli, cuz she's cool and wrecked Jaspar like four times or something.

Okay, not really.

In all seriousness, the double mason claims are possible I guess, but, well...let's just say it's incredibly implausible that anyone would ever claim that in the functional pre-game.

I will ally with Obi-Wan Kenobi, A50, SirCakez, or shiro with no conditions.

I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game.

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pedit: oh yes. Flavor claiming is basically really really really dumb.
I SWEAR THIS TIME WE ARE SOLVING THE GAME TOGETHER
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Post Post #505 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:47 am

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In post 256, Shiro wrote:
In post 252, Not Chara wrote:
In post 247, Shiro wrote:Hey guys I got to say something

Steven universe is awesome but to be honest?

Adventure time is better yo, Where's the adventure time mafia at D:
this is mafia. is anyone a prequel vigilante? goodness.
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You can't grasp the true form of adventure time
FB can I be allies with your alliance?
RR is hopefully town
Kraksaesque could be maf
FB could be town or maf with this coontent tbh
Menno and TWIE doing fuck all as per usual
Mastin and Chansa have decent chances of flipping town
Klingon feels townier this time round
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Post Post #509 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:00 am

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In post 507, Not Chara wrote:randomidget, who is Chansa?
You, You aren't Chansa so I took a guess at who you might be
randomidget wrote:
In post 256, Shiro wrote:
In post 252, Not Chara wrote:
In post 247, Shiro wrote:Hey guys I got to say something

Steven universe is awesome but to be honest?

Adventure time is better yo, Where's the adventure time mafia at D:
this is mafia. is anyone a prequel vigilante? goodness.
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FB can I be allies with your alliance?
RR is hopefully town
Kraksaesque could be maf
FB could be town or maf with this coontent tbh
Menno and TWIE doing fuck all as per usual
Mastin and Chansa have decent chances of flipping town
Klingon feels townier this time round
I forgot I had that quoted, I think I had some witty comment but I forgot
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Post Post #516 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:12 am

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In post 514, kraskaesque wrote:also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easy
Or because I feel like you are reacting way to agressively to RVS reads
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Post Post #520 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 438, kraskaesque wrote:lmao wtf are we doing in ppl's scum pools
In post 514, kraskaesque wrote:also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easy
In post 519, Shiro wrote:Random. Maybe we can be allies tommorow although I wanted to be buddy-buddy with Titus and beeboy, Got to wait and see
If we do can we make our PT entirely NGNL gifs?
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Post Post #524 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:28 am

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Tbh when I ISOd you I didn't see as much as I remembered.
Agressive isn't what I'm looking for. Strongly?

Anyone want to ally me?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:28 am

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In post 530, Creature wrote:I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.
I'm up for it
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:54 am

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Grapes isn't always hugely active and participating. Reading up atm
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:04 pm

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In post 2215, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2121, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1961, Almost50 wrote:What the fuck is wrong with you?
Her alignment. (No, it's not town.)
Why are you doing that, Mastin?

You know what my alignment is.

You know that I'm Town.

You know.
Is this a crumb?

Sorry I haven't been engaged since Ep 1 started, have been busy IRL, but I've skimmed the thread.
Not a fan of Obi atm
RR seems weird but they might be town
KC seems town
Creature is a strong townread
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Post Post #2538 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:26 am

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Shiro I thought we were allying :(
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:37 am

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That will be Cakez at L-2. I would like to vote him but don't want L-1 just yet. I definitely agree with the comments about him in Soccer Spirits
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:52 am

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Flavour speccing varsoon is stupid.
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Post Post #3592 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:10 am

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In post 3303, Varsoon wrote:
To be clear, I will be using the :right: mark to directly show what happened due to an Event from now on.
If something doesn't have that :right: mark, then it happened due to other actions taken.
I'm going to go back and edit the previous phase's event to be this way.
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In post 3545, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3521, Reasonably Rational wrote:[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.
And the thing is.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.

It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.

Not replace it.

What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.

So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.
Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.
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Post Post #3680 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:12 am

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In post 3593, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3592, Randomnamechange wrote:
In post 3303, Varsoon wrote:
To be clear, I will be using the :right: mark to directly show what happened due to an Event from now on.
If something doesn't have that :right: mark, then it happened due to other actions taken.
I'm going to go back and edit the previous phase's event to be this way.
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In post 3545, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3521, Reasonably Rational wrote:[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.
And the thing is.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.

It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.

Not replace it.

What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.

So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.
Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.
ILU random.

I was gonna suggest we ally if I don't end up dead today, but just realized we need some things cleared up real quick.

@Varsoon: can slots with only passive abilities forgo their actions? If so, will this have an effect on their passive at all? Basically, if someone with an active ability is allied to someone without an active ability, is the person with the active ability capping their contribution to 1 point?


If the answer to this question is that those without actives can't contribute, then allying for the purpose of scumhunting needs to stop for those of us who have active climax phase actions. Those slots should ally only with their strongest town reads, to minimize the number of slots with active powers that will have their sacrifice compromised by an alliance with scum.

If it doesn't matter, then we still need to be cautious, but not as much so.

-Cerb
I think that it isn't worth outing who has active abilities
In post 3624, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3360, Shiro wrote: HINT: Maybe it had to do with the joyride and him being town amids scum. Just a thought you guys. Just a thought. Almost did say there would be an event at night from it.
In post 3360, Shiro wrote:almost did say he wanted somethign to succeed from there and next day the universal townread member of it disappears
Every single post I read from you makes me want to strangle you not with a rope, but with barbed wire.

1- Joy Ride was DISSOLVED before the day ended, and thus there was NO night event resulting from it.

2- FARSIDE dissolved Joy Ride, not FB.

3- If I was scum with Far, she wouldn't have dissolved my event, would she? You would think scum would have the decency to pre-plan together before they triggered an event. You'd also think they'd convene and pick the members of their own event.

4- IF the event was handpicked by scum, and it had an effect on some town player who would have to be on it for the effect to take place, you would think scum would go for some STRONG town player. Someone who would be a threat to the scum team regardless. FB only revealed his role during the Exposition phase (i.e. after the event was already on). You'd think Mastina, Obi or even RR would've been picked in there for the kill (since that's what you're implying it did).

5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.

6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.

7- You're whole argument (and -in fact- every other argument you make) is so dumb I have nothing to respond to. I only use sarcasm and humour to avoid outright calling you a shrimp.

8- The only think keeping me from voting you now and picking up on my tunnel from yesterday is the lack of confidence in all my reads from before as a result of the SC flip. I'm working on it though, and I think that I WILL end up voting you again and again and again until you're gone.

9- Being stupid is a privilege. Some just abuse it.
dude back the fuck up that was scompletely uncalled for
In post 3649, farside22 wrote:
In post 3647, McMenno wrote:honestly rr just kind of appeared cakez' scumreads and he was saying they were scum but he wasn't really pushing there

I am currently of the opinion that dgb is a likely traitor candidate

farside is town

honestly I haven't really read much of rr's latest posts

Maybe I can get a moment of your time.
What did you think of random's comment this day game?
I told skybird it seems like someone trying hard to wk RR for town points.
this is what happens when I get behind. I'm still trying to figure out the game I'm just struggling to post about it.
In post 3662, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3659, farside22 wrote:
McMenno wrote:
In post 3653, McMenno wrote:
In post 3651, farside22 wrote: I meant to do an iso of the dude, I'll put it on my to do list.
his iso is
1
4 posts so you'll be done very quickly
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McMenno wrote:
In post 505, Randomnamechange wrote:
Menno and TWIE
rando doing fuck all as per usual
would you believe that I am townreading him
Why?
Like out of all the stuff he is frivolous stuff.
Then there was the time with Cakez and all he said was this?
In post 2719, Randomnamechange wrote:That will be Cakez at L-2. I would like to vote him but don't want L-1 just yet. I definitely agree with the comments about him in Soccer Spirits
That's typically scum behavior 101.

EBWOP: I'll work on that RR. I have someone bugging me to play a game right now.

No worries, take you time. I know I am.

Also, random is being random. He's being lynchbait instead of helpful, but he IS lynchbait. Granted, i don't think I've ever seen him as scum, but this has all the hallmarks of what I've come to expect from him as town.

-Cerb
Tbf it is very rare I get mislynched. I'm completely mislynch bait but somehow talk my way out of getting lynched more or less every time.
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Post Post #3681 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:12 am

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oh yeah forgot to say we should ally RR.
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Post Post #3684 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:18 am

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that lynch at the end of Summer was complete BS. We were literally conf town.
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Post Post #4222 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:24 pm

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Reading up, but a couple of mechanical things
Varsoon has said he will never use a godfather
In regards to Peridot, remember Patches the Spider
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Post Post #4935 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:04 am

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twie is useless
This has been the randomidget hour, tune in next week for more
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Post Post #4937 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:06 am

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Wait shit there was a hammer
reading up now
RR still up for ally
I'll post thoughts in alliance if I can't get them in the thread
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Post Post #5514 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:27 am

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In post 4940, McMenno wrote:
In post 4935, Randomnamechange wrote:twie is useless
This has been the randomidget hour, tune in next week for more
hypocrite
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I was clearly being ironic
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Post Post #5517 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:32 am

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In post 4988, Shiro wrote:
In post 4985, McMenno wrote:I'll echo the eu struggles
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Hits close to home :(

Reading from page 199, siding with Titus and Shiro over Farside.
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Post Post #5905 (isolation #22) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:23 am

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PLEASE CAN EVERYONE STOP POSTING FOR A BIT
btw some people have been making assumptions that are incorrect about stuff
Don't assume you know anything that Varsoon hasn't told you
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Post Post #5907 (isolation #23) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:29 am

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lol
For real though, I'm only saying this because people have been making assumptions that will screw with the game that I know aren't correct
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Post Post #5909 (isolation #24) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:59 am

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I haven't caught up yet, I'm up to 220.
I'm not gonna say as it would give information away that isn't neccessary yet
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Post Post #5946 (isolation #25) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:38 am

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I generally find conf town players to play worse
@kraska working on a scum list. I'm currently missing pages 220-236
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Post Post #5957 (isolation #26) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:10 am

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Titus
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Skybird
Almost50
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Farside22
mathblade
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
SnarkySnowman
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Is my scumpool
scum are most likely in Shadow, Almost, DGB, Farside and Snarky
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Post Post #5962 (isolation #27) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:21 am

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In post 5959, Titus wrote:
In post 5957, Randomnamechange wrote:Titus
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Skybird
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Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
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Is my scumpool
scum are most likely in Shadow, Almost, DGB, Farside and Snarky
Talk to me about how you got here please. Do you think DGB is bussing?
I C&P'ed the list of alive players from the OP and removed the ones I thought were town
Then from that list I took the ones who independently I thought were likely to flip scum. I'm not convinced on Math or Shiro and I feel like there has been a scum wagon today. I think that there is one scum in DGB/Shiro/Math. I guess DGB could be bussing, but I haven't seen anything in particular that makes that especially likely
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Post Post #5965 (isolation #28) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:24 am

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In post 5963, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5960, Titus wrote:Farside is bussing DGB rather?

@random what are we missing?

@Titus nopes diddly opes

And for you to believe that wouldn't you have to believe DGB is scum?
My lips are sealed.
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Post Post #5968 (isolation #29) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:26 am

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So a bunch of lurkers and replacements + KC?
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Post Post #6452 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:27 am

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ayy
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Post Post #6455 (isolation #31) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:31 am

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RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
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Post Post #6621 (isolation #32) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:18 am

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In post 6466, Titus wrote:
In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
Would you be interested in an X wagon?
who is X?
In post 6482, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
We got offers from A50 and farside towards the end of the day and Drixx decided we should ally with A50 instead, against my preferences basically. :/

@fb: care to answer my question?

@yume: *sigh*
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In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
A50 promised that allying him would be worth it. We attempted to arrange a different alliance for you and if you had read the last part of the day during the night you would have seen that. It was my call and I'm sorry you ended up out of alliance as a result.
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Post Post #6622 (isolation #33) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:22 am

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In post 6615, grapes wrote:someone should vig randommidget
mate nah
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Post Post #6706 (isolation #34) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:03 am

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I didn't vote. Should be evident as i basically wasn't online for a few days
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Post Post #6713 (isolation #35) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:57 am

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In post 6712, DrippingGoofball wrote:I also really like randommidget for town
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Post Post #7139 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:59 am

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Guys don't assume anything that isn't confirmed by the mod. Varsoon will throw red herrings in to try and trick you if you aren't paying attention.
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Post Post #7443 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:52 am

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In post 7351, Almost50 wrote:
In post 7081, Shiro wrote:Fire, stop not caring damn it D: Leave yume alone, she is obv town.
To be precise; she's also obv town. :P

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In post 7371, Almost50 wrote:OK, I have now reached my decidion.

VOTE: Creature

1- For voting every wagon there was on D1, and only voting SC twice for distancing. Once was early enough for allegedly “whiteknighting” and the other when the wagon was taking off and then unvoted the following page.

2- For sheeping Shiro when they scum read me right after he had stated he scum read Shiro.

3- For allegedly voting Shadow_Step in RR's event, which doesn't make sense at all.

4- For not having an ally on E2, and allying with Town!Snarky on E3, which fits my pattern for scum behaviour on those particular 2 Episodes.

5- Overall, Creature's play is the definition of active lurking. He has over 200 posts, yet has brought a total of the square root of zero multiplied by null in any relevant direction.

Also;
FoS @ randomidget; Creatures ally on E1 who allegedly didn't vote in the event, and is not allied in E3.
FoS @ Shadow_Step; whom Creature claims to have voted for the event which I will also note as distancing (Creature's into that, btw). Shadow also voted ME for the event, which -again- makes no sense, and is not allied on E3.

W/O making a wall, my lynch pool (in order) would be:
Creature > Fire > random > Shiro > TWIE > DGB > Step

I have stated my case on Creature, and only included the reasoning on random & Shadow bc they're both directly linked to said case. However, this list includes all those who fit the patterns from both allying table and voting in RR's event.

P.S. I'm not totally against the lynch of farside either, and I can see the validity of Titus case on her. However, I'm going for the obvious first.
that's idiotic. I only allied with Creature because there weren't many option left and I didn't ally E3 due to a misunderstanding. Maybe you should go back to posting funny pictures.
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Post Post #7803 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:06 am

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Shadow seemed town last page
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Post Post #8177 (isolation #39) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:00 am

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RE: Me/X/Shadow
This doesn't really help me but I get why in terms of the town this is useful so I'm fine with taking the hit.
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Post Post #8259 (isolation #40) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:38 am

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I concur on DGB scum
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Post Post #8554 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:39 am

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In post 8276, Yume wrote:Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate

And that's it.
Am I outed?
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Post Post #8769 (isolation #42) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:32 am

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I agree that shadowstep feels off today
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Post Post #8888 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:42 am

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I honestly cannot tell whether twie is scum or being twie
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Post Post #9179 (isolation #44) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:23 am

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Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
VOTE: Farside
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Creature wrote:So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_step
I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btw
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Post Post #9193 (isolation #45) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:06 am

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In post 9181, Creature wrote:Hey random, let's ally.
Sure
In post 9183, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
In post 9179, Randomnamechange wrote:Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
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Creature wrote:So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_step
I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btw
not true...Kfkyu flipped 3rd party........ I think atleast there is atleast 1 more 3rd party left over
Third party aligned with town.
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Post Post #9293 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:39 am

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In post 9233, Reasonably Rational wrote:Welp, now that MoI has 100% outed you, Random, can you explain how you both thought gems were all town, but also had MoI as your top suspect out of creatures pool?

Also, MoI, we only fought Farside's kynch on one day. And we pushed REALLY hard to get farside lynched on D3, after we realized we'd be able to bypass her lynch protection, if she had any more.

Not that that went badly since we still ended up on DGB, but you're absolutely misrepresenting us fighting against Farside's lynch.
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At this point we might as well claim it. Crystal Gems are masons. We know each others role PMs.
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Post Post #9317 (isolation #47) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:33 am

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Farside needs to go at this point tbh. They are 100% manipulating/lying
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Post Post #9403 (isolation #48) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:11 am

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@RR just gonna check on gem top suspects, xk and MOI did some analysis
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Post Post #9404 (isolation #49) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:12 am

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Analysis on N1 events indicated TWIE town and poss shiro scum.
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Post Post #9406 (isolation #50) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:17 am

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In post 9396, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 9385, grapes wrote:@RR - I'm confused why you're pushing the gems as a second scumteam when we've seen a gem flip benign. Clue a guy in?
What benign gem flip have you seen? Xkfyu killed a member of the scum team, which doesn't make them benign, it makes them want to kill people and means he's not aligned with the scum team, which means nothing without a win condition that's known.

The primary problems with the gems are the constant deceit/anti-town behavior throughout the game, and their sheer power. Yume claimed mastin was conftown, but kept mastin in the dark about things. The gems didn't flip NC early in the day when asked to by Titus and myself, thus putting us into a night phase at -4 stress. The win conditions given by Yume to Titus and myself differed slightly, and the difference they concealed from Drixx and myself wasn't one which would have been worth being concerned about...so why aren't the the claims identical? Why are their win conditions concealed? For the record, the claim Yume gave us was a vague reference to needing "what we said", and said they also needed a human alive, and the win con she gave titus was needing a human and a gem alive. Nothing suspicious about needing a member of your faction alive to win, so why didn't yume claim that to us? It sounds like a detail added because it was weird to NOT need to have a member alive. How much sense, balance wise, does it make for town to have a 4 man masonry that could gain at least a fifth member, all of whose members are EXTREMELY strong roles? The strongest roles in mafia games are frequently hobbled by their swinginess, yet here....they were given knowledge that 20% of the game could be safely ignored by them, making them EVEN STRONGER.

Wholly benign gems simply don't make sense balance wise, in spite of the sense they make flavor wise.

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Pedit: fuzzy scum is pretty dang improbable imo.
That was Yme acting off of her own volition. Early on during day phase only the gem leader could talk in the chat, which was Yume. At that point we only had night chat.
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Post Post #9407 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:17 am

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And you really shouldn't be trying to read Yume on anti-town behaviour. She does it a lot.
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Post Post #9418 (isolation #52) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:57 am

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In post 9413, Reasonably Rational wrote:Random, what is your guys' win condition?

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End game earth wins and at least one town and crystal gem player is left alive.
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Post Post #9434 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:41 am

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We need to lynch farside today. They are too dangerous and their behaviour indicates we can't leash them.
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Post Post #9442 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:08 am

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In post 9437, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 9417, Shadow_step wrote:Kraska used her individual event to cancel out a mostly useless scum factional event.
And allowing for a scum lynch without a double scum kill is useless to Town again exactly how? Please explain in full this line of thought for me.

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In post 9434, Randomnamechange wrote:We need to lynch farside today. They are too dangerous and their behaviour indicates we can't leash them.
Make sure to read the Crystal Gem PT Random.
Skimmed it, will have another look
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Post Post #9443 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:14 am

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OK got it.
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Post Post #9468 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 9451, farside22 wrote:
In post 9448, Creature wrote:Almost, what's your opinion on making farside22 use her extra votes on TWIE?
Would you like me to use it on you?

Funny enough Random is talking about controlling a player, but I used the ability once and he's as useless as a 3rd tit is on me this game.
If I could hot prod players to do something more and had that ability I'd be a happy person playing this game.
RR, it might be better to go for someone else today. I'm not 100% on exactly farside's alignment ( i dont think they are town) and it could be useful to get some more info there.
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Post Post #9475 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:41 am

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Almost has a point. TWIE has taken decisions that make him look back if his kill didn't fail. He may not be town, but he probably isn't lying about his shot failing. He could've said that he couldn't shoot again or w/e.
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Post Post #9671 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:54 am

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In post 9504, Creature wrote:Guess you aren't paranoid because you're a crystal gem and you can win with mafia anyway.
nice shade. Read the flavour, we are the ones fighting the mafia.
In post 9512, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 9510, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 9502, Creature wrote:The result was on randomidget though.
Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.

Can we lynch this with fire already?
you can see randoms actual role PM?
yep
In post 9513, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9502, Creature wrote:
In post 9494, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9490, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Almost – I forgot to ask earlier – did your Night action bear any fruit? I would have expected to see something from you on it but have to ask.
And I meant to say something but didn't know how to do it w/o outing myself, but things have changed.

The profile Creature has is mine, and the false one is #2. Creature did NOT perform an action last night.

As for me: The event is used up already (Joy Ride). The passive rewards you & RR already know about (of those living) but I suspect the whole scum team would also know since I allied with SC on E1.

The action you and RR also know about (but nobody else should have bc I told nobody except you two). It's a 1-shot ability though that gets refunded on Season Finale. It was used previously on McMenno showing he didn't "perform a HARMFUL action", while on Creature it says he "didn't perform ANY actions"
The result was on randomidget though.

Was it? OK.. we'll have random confirm or deny (without giving details). If this result does NOT apply to him then you are getting lynched for sure.

@random:

Please confirm if you have THREE of these abilities (and the 4th is FALSE):

1- An EVENT requiring +1 stress or higher.
2- NK-proof
3- "Passive" rewards are granted to whomever allies.
4- An investigation action telling you about other players night actions.
Nope, I have 2.
In post 9568, TheWayItEnds wrote:Someone name a single game where a protown faction could share role pms.
Masons.
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Post Post #9675 (isolation #59) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:38 am

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In post 9624, Creature wrote:If the Crystal Gems and Leftovers can win with mafia, we're possibly in LyLo today.
In post 9644, mastin2 wrote:
In post 9436, MagnaofIllusion wrote:VOTE: Creature
Creature is the Keep Beach City Weird player.

Does this change your analysis any?
In post 9673, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 9468, Randomnamechange wrote:
In post 9451, farside22 wrote:
In post 9448, Creature wrote:Almost, what's your opinion on making farside22 use her extra votes on TWIE?
Would you like me to use it on you?

Funny enough Random is talking about controlling a player, but I used the ability once and he's as useless as a 3rd tit is on me this game.
If I could hot prod players to do something more and had that ability I'd be a happy person playing this game.
RR, it might be better to go for someone else today. I'm not 100% on exactly farside's alignment ( i dont think they are town) and it could be useful to get some more info there.
Im not sure what you're saying in this post? Is the quoted post a reason to NOT go after farside, or are you suggesting we SHOULD go after her?

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Didn't mean to quote that. I ws saying in general that it might be best to go after someone else today.
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Post Post #9678 (isolation #60) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:53 am

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flavour matches fakeclaims. Unless you think we are fakeclaiming gems it does.
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Post Post #9679 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:55 am

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In post 9624, Creature wrote:If the Crystal Gems and Leftovers can win with mafia, we're possibly in LyLo today.
Leftovers might be able to, although it would probably be win with anyone. Crystal Gems can't.
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Post Post #9682 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:58 am

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We also have our own condition. At least one Cyrstal Gem and Townie must be alive at end game. I guess it is because Crystal Gems are a different 'faction' to Earth ppl, despite wanting the same goal.
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Post Post #9719 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:37 am

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In post 9683, Creature wrote:So basically town with an extra win condition?
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Post Post #9907 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:26 am

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I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum
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Post Post #10013 (isolation #65) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:52 am

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In post 10005, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 9907, Randomnamechange wrote:I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum
Where is your creature vote?
Worried about stuff like quickhammers, didnt't feel the need to vote at that point especially after Farside's antics yeserday.
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Post Post #10135 (isolation #66) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:18 am

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Am I ok to vote creature atm?
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Post Post #10191 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:16 am

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In post 10189, Shadow_step wrote:Don't have enough time to read through, who is allying with me?
Mastin I think, although im not sure they have confirmed.
i think that we should wait until tomorrow for analysis. TWIE flip is pretty important. Still think Creature is scum however, but for the purpose of analysis I think we should flip twie today.
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Post Post #10194 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:45 am

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In post 10192, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 10137, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Fine.... I tried to give you a chance

vote TWIE


I am the vig.... I shot Fire. I thought Yume was hinting that he was part of the dimond authority. This was before I realized we were dealing with Rubies. I can shoot at any time but I have a sure kill at + ?. I dont want to give it away. I have to be an alliance to use my ability. I thought about shooting Far but was concern that her blocking ability would block it despite being a sure kill. Also I wanted to shoot someone who was likely scum. I get a refund at the season finale

I willing any question I can.
Waiiiiiiiiit a sec, I don't get your explanation for killing FB.

Also, if we want to flip TWIE just for info. Why are you voting TWIE, you can vig him tonight?
It's not for info. He is very likely scum, as is Creature, but he is a more useful lynch on top of that.
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Post Post #10225 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:03 am

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Farside and Creature both need to die ASAP
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Post Post #10333 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:55 am

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Attack of Titan is massively overhyped. It isn't some kind of gold standard of anime.
If you want overarching plot then something like Deathnote is much better.

RE:stuff
VOTE: creature
still feel like this is scum.

I feel like something weird happened with the alliance. It is still possible one of them is scum and didn't want the alliance to go through but idk. feel like they are both town.

I still have my event.
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Post Post #10338 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:49 am

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Fate/Stay Night was very good.
Monster is great if you like purely psychological horror/thriller.
Cowboy Bebop IS episodic but it is absolutely superb.
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Post Post #10595 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:45 am

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In post 10576, Creature wrote:Still waiting randomidget
been busy, will read up tonight
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Post Post #10661 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:05 am

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I release Not Chara
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Post Post #10695 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:54 am

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Just wanted to drop a quick reminder that lynches after this should be Creature - Shiro - RR
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Post Post #10696 (isolation #75) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:54 am

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that is assuming there are no associatives based on flips from previous people in the list/kraska
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Post Post #10740 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:14 am

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In post 10724, Reasonably Rational wrote:Do we all have alliances? Ideally I'd like random to confirm our alliance before we end the day, but I understand that might take forever to happen. :/

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Yep

sorry about being less active this day phase, had some IRL stuff and probs should've gone V/LA
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Post Post #10742 (isolation #77) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:18 am

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In post 10710, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Reread
Shadow said that if the Rubies killed all the Gems than sky would get an extra vote..... this does not seem true. I could not find anything like that reading Sky's flip.

@ Shadow
You allied with Skybird night 0 right. Just making sure I get the info right

Reading Sky's flip Vasoon says that Sky had a Unique Pearl account..This can mean only two things. 1) there are two Pearl account,,,, a real one or a fake one or 2) that the Pearl account does not exsist

Moi
How did you know that you were targeted

Random
Did you decide to release NC or was it a mutual choice between You and MOI. Also why did the Gem wait so long to release NC?
mutual. took so long due to inactivity from me, sorry about that.

Shiro could have a point on mastin, but I'm def not sure, but don't treat mastin as conf town
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Post Post #10749 (isolation #78) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:03 am

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I haven't given any info on other gems roles, but wouldn't be surprised if Yume leaked it.
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Post Post #10752 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:28 am

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Could you check on timings it would have been leaked to Shiro/yume/KC being killed?
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Post Post #10791 (isolation #80) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 10753, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for random? I don't think shiro ever allied with A50, Xkfyu, KC, Yume, Titus, or myself until the season finale, and KC and Yume both died before then. I don't know what other possible information leaks specific to shiro there could have been?

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that is what I was asking.
In post 10768, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:So insulting me is going to encourage me to do the right thing.........
The fact is I am shooting no one tonight...I don't feel confident enough to take a shot
My goal is talk to Far and gets some opinions..i do better if I can bounce ideas off of people.

Anyways if I break my promise and vig someone tonight you can lynch me tomorrow. Actually I want yall the lynch me tomorrow if I vig somebody

As far as MOI or Random being scum we should not just through it out the window as stupid, Given that Sky had a fake Pearl account ( given certain circumstance) it possible we have a scum among the gem. I don't know how much a possibility but it is possibility, I might not be that smart but I can reason out some things.
that would be HEAVY bastard modding if scum was in the crystal gems.
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Post Post #10794 (isolation #81) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:57 am

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In post 10792, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I don't know I am prob wrong like usual.....
it's fine, from our perspective it is def right to question it.
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Post Post #10836 (isolation #82) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:24 am

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Me and RR successfully allied.
Is there a mechanical reason for Shadow being town?
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Post Post #10838 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:47 am

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Huh I thought there was earlier.
Creature Shiro and Shadow almost certainly contains scum IMO. RR and TFL are possible but i have townreads on both.
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Post Post #10841 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:58 am

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You aren't in my lynch pool right now. I think the scum team is Creature + Shiro/TFL or Shadow + Shiro/RR
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Post Post #10900 (isolation #85) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:08 am

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Creature and Shiro are must kill.
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Post Post #10918 (isolation #86) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:22 am

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In post 10914, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:RR
I dont quite understand your questions but I will try to answer the best I can...,,

First off it seems that alot of people are assuming the last two Gems are town . ( I am not trying to make assumptions about anyone but this is the general
impression I am getting. I hope yall will be forgiving if I am wrong about this.) To me it likely they are town but being Gems does not make them automatically
town. One could be a fake role and to throw out that idea is dangerous IMHO. Unless I have strong reason to believe diffently I try to keep possibilities open.
Now if Random and MOI confirms that their roles had been mod confirmed some how I would auto town them. If however if it just players confirming each other I will remain skeptical.

Supposing all the Gems are actually Gems and are town than that means that we had atleast , 6 conftown. The 5 gems than Kras who would of been modcofirmed in a three player game. I there was another which woud make 7. This seems pretty high number for a 25 player game. Even 6 seems on the edge
of making tbe game semi unbalanced,

The biggest problem comes in the form of Pearl.Besides the fake account there is just two possibilities. There is no body who is pearl or there is somebody who is pearl. There is no other possibilities. There being a Pearl and not being a Pearl in this game is impossible.

lf a Pearl account exist we have a few issues. First off the Sky fake account means nothing as it would be obvious fake if a player flips Pearl. Second Vasoon would not make an scum account that would be so obvious fake. This makes me think that Pearl is like connie and is only exsistant in the players minds.

this seems to point to one of the following
a) Moi was fooled into thinking Random was Pearl
b) MOI was flat out lying about there being a Pearl.
C MOI was just mistaken and there is no Pearl
Me and MoI are same alignment otherwise that is ridiculously heavy bastard modding.
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Post Post #10942 (isolation #87) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 10926, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@ Almost
I am not sure exacctly how I will decide to use my vig.

Random or MOI
Can you explain what the process was for seeing each others roles. Sorry trying to figure things out.
PT Crystal Gem faction can post in.
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Post Post #10955 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:31 am

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In post 10943, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Yeah... I know about the Gym pt

so basically it was cut and paste.....

honestly I think MOI and Random needs to claim ...if they have nothing to hide than they should not be afraid thier role
nope
scum don't need that info
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Post Post #10980 (isolation #89) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:53 am

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In post 10974, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I think we are focusing way too much on the beach event right now and need to go back to basic scum hunting

Honestly I think scum might be using this to throw town off base,,,,,Its a good idea but I think there is too many x factors to get a solid answer

I been trying to play along with my fellow townies and I am getting confused,,,,,,,,Forget it..If I get mislynched I get mislynched. I am determine as anything to get a town win added to my record

@almost
I took it as each scum vote on a wagon went up .5 thus if there were 4 scum the fourth scum vote counted as 2, Okay what you are saying makes sense. It was not that I was not reading it it was I did not understand


My idea that a gem could possible be scum was not disproven. We know the Flavor/role reveal was done in the Gem PT with cut and Paste. This means that as much as it might be unlikely its still possible that info could of been altered.

also I was right about the fake vig claim made by scum.....


RR
I don't think that it doesn't hurt to ask........
We are cofirmed to be of the same alignment. by the mod. We are masons.

@RR, i agree with you on Fuzzy, lookin back that claim doesn't make sense. Do you think they could be a leftover? it would explain them having a 'vig' shit better than them being scum
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Post Post #11002 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:45 am

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I decided not to tell RR that MoI. I wasn't sure on RR town going into today and didn't want to bleed info.
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Post Post #11017 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:06 am

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In post 11004, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 11002, Randomnamechange wrote:I decided not to tell RR that MoI. I wasn't sure on RR town going into today and didn't want to bleed info.
No biggie Random. Frankly it really wasn't much of a secret as I'm sure I've mentioned it earlier in thread.
Wasn't sure if it was out, decided it would be cautious.
@RR, will tell him tonight

PEdit: I agree that TFL could be scum/malevolent third party
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Post Post #11125 (isolation #92) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:01 am

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In post 11086, Reasonably Rational wrote:Sorry for the multiple posts: Assuming everyone is good with the alliances in #11,085, I would like the propose that Fuzzy NOT shoot tonight. I have two reasons for this and I'll explain them to Random and he can confirm to the game at large that the reasons exist and are good reasons.

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He does have reasons/ I'm just clarifying some stuff on them to confirm the logic but he def has some good points.
In post 11108, Reasonably Rational wrote:Is it cold where you guys are? It's really cold here. Like really really really cold. I've been having hot cocoa every night because hot cocoa is freaking awesome!
good idea, im gonna grab some tonight :D
In post 11121, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So on Alliances – unless he objects I want grapes with Shadow and Shiro for reasons grapes should understand.

That makes

Almost / Fuzzy / RR
Grapes / Shadow / Shiro

Leaving mastin, myself, random and farside out. I’d lean to a farside / myself / Random Alliance leaving mastin without an ally.

mastin and grapes
– these work for you?

I also don’t see the point of actively trying to get farside a third party win at this point if she is actively not looking for it. Frankly that’s making me look at RR again with skepticism.

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In post 11089, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also ... how did I end up sorting alliances? There's a reason I avoided this all game. This is a pain in the arse.
No complaining when you basically just thrust yourself into the role ..
I would rather have me or MoI in an alliance with RR, but this isn't awful.
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Post Post #11147 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:52 am

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Just want to confirm everything that RR has said I agree with btw now that we've clarified some info.
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Post Post #11168 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:17 am

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In post 11159, Varsoon wrote:
I will have extremely limited access between tonight and December 6th.
During this time, if a lynch happens, please bear with me and be understanding of my situation.
I will do my best to check in on the game, post VCs, and provide a thread lock if needed.
Thank you all for playing this far. You're all fantastic; I couldn't ask for a better playerlist. <3
np you are still the best mod :D
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Post Post #11196 (isolation #95) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:56 am

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Is that L-2 or L-1 on Creature? I want to vote there
@RR can you check the PT when you get a chance, gonna write some stuff in there.
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Post Post #11213 (isolation #96) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:49 am

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can we get a restate on alliances?
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Post Post #11303 (isolation #97) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:03 am

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In post 11285, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So now that I have a few more moments I have some time to post my thoughts.

I did indeed bubble Shiro last Night. I assumed given the lack of scum Nightkill that I prepared that RR’s fears about today being LYLO thanks to a scum kill would be diminished and Fuzzy would hit Shadow to eliminate the full complement of Creature / Shiro / Shadow so if the game didn’t end we could start looking among the less usual suspects.

Shiro can be released as necessary but I’m really loathe to do so given that I’d want him lynched anyway if he is released. I have confirmed that his bubbled status counts as him being dead for purposes of Town winning via elimination of all the Threats to Earth.

Grapes is literally the last of Almost / Grapes / RR I would want vigged. Almost or RR would be preferable to me if the game doesn’t outright end on a Shadow lynch.

@RR
– The info dropped by Random overnight was … underwhelming. Literally just two post with about 50-60 total words. If you intended more to be provided … well … it didn’t happen.

Random and I are Allying tonight. We have our reason for this.

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In post 11265, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I gave it in the PT.......there is nothing more to it,
ProTip – I can’t see that PT so this response is meaningless. Explain to those of us
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in your PT why you didn’t shoot your number 1 scum suspect knowing that you get another Vig today.
In post 11275, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Anyways Shadow fake comments means that Grapes is very likely not scun..thus I wont vig Grapes tonight
No, grapes is not cleared by the trolling at all. That shadow came in trolling indicates that he knew he was boned so nothing he says today should be attempted to be parsed as it is all WIFOM. I think grapes is less likely scum than either of Almost or RR based on my conversations with him in our PT. Is that information absolutely solid? No he could have been lying to me but what he chose to tell me makes little sense as it would not let him live to LYLO.

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In post 11293, Reasonably Rational wrote:@MoI: I don't know what Random told you, so....yeah.

Can you explain your position regarding farside, given that you said yesterday that you understood my concerns?

-Cerb
I did't quote all of the logic bc it changed a lot and wasn't needed. A lot of it was theory crafting around fuzzy shooting last night/ a different set of alliances which got changed later so I didn't change that. I summarized fairly heavily. I probs should've explained the LyLo situation in detail. I put everything I put in the post in our alliance that I said I would RR.

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.
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Post Post #11305 (isolation #98) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:13 am

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Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.
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Post Post #11307 (isolation #99) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:48 am

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lynch shadow today.
TFL vigs [person]
if vig shot is town we lynch TFL
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Post Post #11352 (isolation #100) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:58 pm

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In post 11308, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.
I think far is the best vig shot here.
In post 11316, Almost50 wrote:
In post 11303, Randomnamechange wrote:TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.
I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL
this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-
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In post 11305, Randomnamechange wrote:Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.
I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).
In post 11321, Reasonably Rational wrote:I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.
Yep can confirm.
In post 11327, Reasonably Rational wrote:Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb
Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.
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Post Post #11361 (isolation #101) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:43 am

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In post 11355, farside22 wrote:
In post 11352, Randomnamechange wrote:
In post 11308, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.
I think far is the best vig shot here.
In post 11316, Almost50 wrote:
In post 11303, Randomnamechange wrote:TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.
I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL
this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-
In post 11318, Almost50 wrote:
In post 11305, Randomnamechange wrote:Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.
I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).
In post 11321, Reasonably Rational wrote:I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.
Yep can confirm.
In post 11327, Reasonably Rational wrote:Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb
Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.
You are worse then the rest.
Why the fuck do you think there was no kill the day I found out I can't be shot at?
Please explain how that fucking makes sense in any way, shape or form.
If you think scum used it to put me in some great position why the fuck would they given they fucking lost a shot the night before.
Please tell me the common fucking sense.
better safe than sorry.
lynch shadow - tfl vigs almost - lynch - tfl - kill farside should end the game 100%.
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Post Post #11388 (isolation #102) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:43 am

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Game win should involve eliminating shadow, tfl, a50 and far. Can we figure out the best plan to do this?
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Post Post #11393 (isolation #103) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:35 am

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In post 11389, farside22 wrote:Have the claimed vig that no one else claimed vig a50.
Tell me how tfl shot and a second player dies = tfl scum?
If you can point to a game where scum have 2 Kill abilities more then one time per game that does not include the dating game mafia game I created I would listen.
Other then that you have 2 players, one confirmed scum and one saving there scum buddy currently.
You will have to convince me tfl scum makes srnse.
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Post Post #11394 (isolation #104) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:37 am

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In post 11390, grapes wrote:You guys realize that a50 went off the deep end because he thought fuzzy was shooting last night correct? That's what I thought as well.
RR's plan was to have him not shoot last night, just to clear some confusion.

Magna and random -- was this part of the plan run by you guys at all?
RR's plans yesterday were pretty much all run by me to check the logic. Magna wasn't involved yesterday except from in the game thread.
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Post Post #11449 (isolation #105) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:47 am

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In post 11402, farside22 wrote:
In post 11401, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:what does not make sense is , if I might be a danger either have the Gems bubble me or ask me not to vig,,,,,,, I have followed the town plan if its agreed upon. There is no reason to lynch me over confirm scum......I would say maybe Almsost did not think of these options but That would lessen the credit I give to Almost abilities at Mafia,
Pretty sure a50 is scum saving his scum buddy.
According to random, rr is trying to say there are 7 scum this game.
this is not true btw. i said we were considering it as a worst case scenario. i'm with RR on lynching far today tbh. then tfl vigs shadow and we lynch almost
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Post Post #11514 (isolation #106) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:54 am

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In post 11513, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:At RR
Have you tried a hammer ( the bigger the better) I heard they work really well especially on electronics.
TBF getting rid of far is not a town or scum move as she could of been a possible threat to either faction

At Moi
Did I add we have one other kill and has no other explanation other than it being a vig kill...... why would I lie about this one.
RR seemed REALLY town in our PT. His main worry seemed to be from Far leaving the game once their win con was achieved and screwing with numbers (this was prior to some BS from far which changed the situation).

sorry almost what was the result of the investigation?
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Post Post #11569 (isolation #107) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:17 am

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In post 11517, mastin2 wrote:
In post 11510, Almost50 wrote:And would have made more sense if they still shot somebody (like you or TFL) while TFL took care of faside for them.
Thus confirming Fuzzy as town in the eyes of everyone.

This is really, really simple math.

Reasonably Rational ramrodded down everyone's throats the plan which leaves the MOST amount of doubt on the MOST amount of people.

It was Reasonably Rational who kept Fuzzy from shooting on previous nights, like the night farside was slated to die via the scum nightkill.
It was Reasonably Rational who kept Fuzzy from killing during a time where the scum would also be killing.
In this situation, where Fuzzy's kill was guaranteed to succeed, Reasonably Rational could not justify Fuzzy holding fire. So Fuzzy was going to shoot. If the scumteam also shot last night, then the fact that Fuzzy was able to kill AND there was a scum kill would confirm Fuzzy as town.
And who did Fuzzy shoot?
It was Reasonably Rational's idea to shoot farside, the ONLY PLAYER THAT COULD NOT BE REMOVED BY THE SCUM.
It was Reasonably Rational encouraging things like shooting known town.
It was Reasonably Rational who pushed ideas like shooting the one player NONE OF THE CONFIRMED TOWN WANTED DEAD over the players THE CONFIRMED TOWN WANTED DEAD.

It was Reasonably Rational who suggested you waste your investigation on grapes--by YOUR OWN ADMISSION.

How many bad ideas from Reasonably Rational will it take you to realize that they are just. actually. scum?
so much of this is complete bs it's ridiculous
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Post Post #11570 (isolation #108) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:19 am

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VOTE: grapes
still really think RR is town and last scum makes sense as being between the two of them. Will give tfl benefit of the doubt here.
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Post Post #11577 (isolation #109) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:56 am

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In post 11574, grapes wrote:Like could random be scum?

Those last 2 posts were fucking bad.
the first one was because there were genuinely false statements in there.
I have other reasons for townreading him as well. I tend to read off of gut in Varsoon games and leave mechanics to other people (see bloodborne as for why) and this genuinely seems like RR is town to me. I had a town read on him out of the hood, but his mechanical talks with me in the hood seemed really town motivated.
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Post Post #11578 (isolation #110) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 11576, grapes wrote:"But they were so town in the hood where they can suck my dick without fear of pissing anyone else off"

-Most of the scum and bad town this game
it wasn't that they were sucking my dick at all. They genuinely seemed interested in gamesolving.
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Post Post #11583 (isolation #111) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:08 am

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In post 11579, grapes wrote:Even if you're pocketed by rr why me over almost? Or fuzzy who you've acknowledged is only trying to take vig shots that go against the wishes of confirmed town?

Let's not phone it in at the homestretch.
seems to be you or him today. I don't see almost doing what he has done as scum. He can play a very nasty scum game and I don't think he would've gone for the panic save on shadow. I still don't trust tfl at all but idk if i can push that through today.
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Post Post #11586 (isolation #112) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:47 am

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TFL still could be scum, but I don't think that he is. Right now my thoughts are
(grapes)
(tfl)
(almost)
(RR)
(mastin)
(me, moi, shiro)
assuming one scum left.
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Post Post #11596 (isolation #113) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:47 am

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In post 11589, grapes wrote:
@Almost

In post 11551, Almost50 wrote:
In post 11547, grapes wrote:I've been obvtown all game. Twie either didn't really think confirming that would mean anything, or thought you all would drown in wine over it. Look what happened.
So you're saying Scum!TWIE confirmed Sky being Scum for shits and giggles?
In post 11552, grapes wrote:Sky was already dead at that point.
Don't ignore a man who's trying to have a conversation with you.
Now, I was gonna ignore this as you just forgetting how shit went down or not reading. (it's a big game)

But you dropping that point and then moving on to exponentially weaker ones is making me scratch my head here.

I'm not the one flailing here. I was trying to get random to realize just how bad his play has been but he literally doesn't care. Done talking to him.
Your tunnel on me came out of left field

You need to get with varsoon about why your wording was different. And tell me how anything RR has done since I dropped my case on them (or anything at all this game for that matter) looks town.
its almost like telling someone they should quit mafia will stop them from wanting to engage with you. Funny that.
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Post Post #11598 (isolation #114) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:50 am

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In post 11593, grapes wrote:
In post 11587, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Grapes – Speaking of Leftovers – Grapes is the only player that could be. He basically claimed Lapis to me in our PT. Lapis does make thematic sense as scum who could join the scum team in a passive way. And the lack of scum kill last Night may indicate that Lapis lacks the ability to make the scum factional kill. I’m more considering this based of 11540 as an answer to “why do you think there are two scum left”. Also the AtE and insults in 11573 and 11574 are pretty bad.
You're a complete ass.

You know what's really shitty about the day before last is that I knew the only way for me to save creature and get shadow lynched was to convince you on shadow scum. I knew I couldn't convince you creature-town, so I spent my energy trying to wake the rest of the game up on that and sell you on shadow-scum with a case and you didn't EVEN RESPOND TO IT. UGHHHHHHHH

And I know like I've been busy and shit and that was a particular two weeks where I didn't have a lot of time to post BUT I FUCKINGTRIED.

I'VE BEEN ADVANCING A TOWN AGENDA WHILE RR HAS BEEN ADVANCING A SCUM AGENDA.

Your flavor spec is bad. How many traitors do you think this game is gonna have? We all signed up to play mafia not blindfolded darts.

I'm also not a very nice person when I'm getting voted for no good reason and if you don't know ...

I'm the AtE fucking CHAMPION.
he has put more work into town's direction than any other player and we are in a rly good position so this doesn't really work.
I could make a case for MoI having a scum agenda here.
Players actions being able to be twisted to make them appear scum is not a good case in a game this mechanically complex at this point. Either there is clear scum motivation and no possible town motivation behind their actions or straight up confirmed mechanics. Otherwise it takes more than that.
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Post Post #11599 (isolation #115) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:51 am

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In post 11597, Shiro wrote:Am I the only one here that wants ftl dead?
no. He's my second choice for scum rn. Grapes just seems scummier and although tfl's day play has been quite scummy, he has acted the way a town player should and mechanically he looks town. Grapes has acted scummy and makes sense for scum role wise
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Post Post #11610 (isolation #116) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:16 am

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I honestly think that could cause issues with the last scum being the leftover
i think it would be more likely that the leftover cant win without at least one scum alive (reverse of our win con)
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Post Post #11698 (isolation #117) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:42 am

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In post 11694, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I feel like voting for myself right now bc town is bound and determine to self implode........ but
NO
If I have to I will drag the town toward a town victory kicking and screaming if necessary

Shiro
Actually Mastin would be a better kill since she is conftown.......No way I would of not taken out MOI or Random if I had the chance if I was scum .......

Scum play makes no sense at all....... why not kill conf town the other night when they had a chance......either they did not make a kill or was RB
bc saying you vigged conf town is great play

@mastin im a gut player. I can't do a great job of explaining why I townread RR. But I do
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Post Post #11814 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:26 am

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vla until 27th
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Post Post #11865 (isolation #119) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:20 am

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In post 11860, grapes wrote:
random
, I get that you're above putting too much effort into games. I get that 'try-hards' like me probably are the bane of your existence. I get that you must care somewhat or you would have replaced out by now. I say shit I don't mean when I'm pissed. I don't think you're all too bad a player it's just lurksacks infuriate me to no end and your vote on me sucked and you know it. We are polar opposites and probably always will be. Lend me an ear and let me know what you think of my stuff the tl;dr's were put in with you in mind.
its k man. I read everything. I just don't post a lot. It doesn't mean I'm not aware of what is going on. RR can confirm this from games like Bloodborne. I can definitely follow your logic and it is a pretty solid argument. Almost is one of those players that I feel like i missed a post that made them obv town or something. He kinda reminds me of soccer spirits him here. The one thing is that I definitely feel that Shiro has a point about mastin. Far also had some questions about mastin's alignment btw (in our alliance PT) gtg now but gonna give some more thoughts today or tomorrow depending on how much time i have
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Post Post #11898 (isolation #120) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:06 am

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@grapes i would not put it past yume to troll town. They have lied about their abilities multiple times in past games
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Post Post #11904 (isolation #121) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:43 am

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In post 11899, grapes wrote:
In post 11897, Shiro wrote:
In post 11880, grapes wrote:If it's "unoptimal" then who do you think scum should have been killing? You seemed to dodge that question.
People fuzzy has been killing ?
Only day there was no kill was when the even that prevented scum to do anything happened, where convenitly fuzzy said that he decided not to shoot shadow.
It might sound like bullshit to you but it is the truth.
Fuzzy has killed Firebringer (on the same Night that scum killed not chara) and Farside, who was in the lynchpool because of bad third party paranoia.
So I ask again -- what's so subopitmal about scum no killing?

And you want to know why I think it's bullshit? Because Almost's event wasn't a secret Day 1. You've been paying attention to flavor like a big guy at the ice cream parlor you're not gonna sell me that it just "dawned" on you out of nowhere that

1) You realized what his flavor was
2) You're bad enough to think events are alignment indicative when varsoon told us events are tied to fakeclaims.

But even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, and here's the big thing.
Why did that make you want an alliance with him?
In post 11898, Randomnamechange wrote:@grapes i would not put it past yume to troll town. They have lied about their abilities multiple times in past games
Alright even if we ignore the ICness -- why's mastin scum?
ridiculous extent of push on RR, extent to which contributions focussed on beach-a-palooza for ages. im not saying they are scum, im saying that if it werent for yume they would def be in the lynchpool for today
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Post Post #11954 (isolation #122) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:00 pm

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happy new year everyone!
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Post Post #11981 (isolation #123) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:52 am

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In post 11977, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
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RR verses Grapes so much reads as TVT,,,,,,,

Vote Random
so yume wont lie but MoI, skybird and the rest of the crystal gems would?
VOTE: tfl
needs to get in as many lynches as possible if he wants to win at scum so he pushes me.
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Post Post #11997 (isolation #124) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 11995, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:you don't know if you don't ask. Yeah Vasoon might not be able to answer but you never know////

I am getting lynched today I don't really care.........As I said I rather die following my instincts than following the town at this point.
if I die being able to convince one person that scum could be in the masonry I will die a happy man

Going after Gems as scum would be a pretty big gambit ............

.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
I am confused as anything on why mastin, Moi or Random are not dead, If I was scum I would make sure atleast one maybe two were dead. If all three are town than that makes it so hard to win...... No way would there be three alive at this point if I was scum . This is of course Wifom.

Maybe it it is me but I found that if obvious town players are alive when they should be dead than you have to consider they might be scum Many a time there player who seem obvtown are left alive when they should
dead than at the end of the game they flip scum . Not always the case but I have seen it happen enough time to make me suspicious.
mastin has done very little before the last couple of days. me and moi dont need to be killed for scum to win. they just need to take out the remaining town members as quickly as possible without getting themselves lynched.
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Post Post #12049 (isolation #125) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:08 am

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In post 12046, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Kill me Please.................
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Post Post #12102 (isolation #126) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:39 am

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In post 12062, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:if Random was scum
Night5- shot MOI( if I understand right) but was RB
Night6- Shot far?
Night7- RB by Event
Night 8- RB by event
why the fuck would i shoot the person claiming masons with me
In post 12074, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:if Mastin is scum she deserves to be nominated for a scummy..........not only that but to win
not really as Yume would be the entire reason why
In post 12096, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:RR
MOI is not voting for me ...however Shiro snd Random are voting me

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Yeah bc asking questions and trying to figure things out is just so so scummy.......I hate how you are trying to make me feel dumb for asking questions....really this is just anti town, Sorry you are not helping, I don't think you are scum. Its possible but unlikely.
On the questions ......If you are scum than you either are lying about setting off the event or being targeted. As I said its odd that you set off an event that saved your own life........ Its possible though. That why I was asking you about it. I am trying to work through these things out..... No I am not CC As I said I am just trying to figure out how exactly the event work.

please please please stop defending Random and letting him just skate by...... I don't think this is an unreasonable request


Can everyone just vote me and get it over with bc honestly I a tired of this game...............I am going to get mislynched at some point so I rather it be today/ Thanks
dude just stop.
This push from fuzzy is so scum motivated.
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Post Post #12162 (isolation #127) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 12143, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am total okay with dying/getting bubbled this episode///////////////////


Random prob is town and I am just being paranoid...however that's no reason to give a free pass and ,,,I don't know why everyone is okay with this. Say what you will about MOI atleast he trying to scum hunt and help. I am not even talking about the number of post
but whatever I will be put out of my misery soon enough.
I am scumhunting. just because im not posting it doesnt mean it isnt happening.
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Post Post #12221 (isolation #128) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:11 am

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we do indeed have a plan. busy right now so will do it tomorrow. MoI said it was basically up to me, but we did have some stuff planned out in the PT which i will relay when i have a chance
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Post Post #12227 (isolation #129) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:06 am

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In post 12222, Reasonably Rational wrote:Anybody out there?

Random: I'm pretty sure the course of today will be entirely determined by what you/MoI/Grapes have to say about things, so if you could make time sooner rather than later so we can discuss whatever you guys had in mind, that would be great.

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on it now.
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Post Post #12228 (isolation #130) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:18 am

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ok. these are MoI's thoughts.
1. he expected to die last night.
2.this could put us in 5 player LyLo, but 2 man scum team is unlikely
3.lynch RR/Shiro
4. up to me whether to bubble there and risk auto loss to almost/mastin scum (which basically means almost scum), but we win if the scum is in the original two.
5. almost has played a superb scum game if hes WIFOMed his ally choices in regards to season finales

this is all paraphrased from MoI's post.

my thoughts on this: if we follow MoI's plan exactly we should lynch Shiro then bubble RR to cover ourselves from the Shiro/Grapes team. if we do this we win after the lynch if the two man team is correct, win tonight if RR is scum and lose if almost is scum. a better way of doing this may be to not bubble tonight and wait on the next day as we get more discussion, grapes becomes a conf town so we still have the same number and there would be an extra lynch.
HOWEVER I am not convinced that Almost is town. this should be what we try and figure out today. I think Shiro should be the lynch regardless, so the question is whether or not almost or rr is best candidate for solo scum. i don't think two man team is that likely, but it makes sense to cover our bases and use the grapes bubble to its full capacity.
thoughts everyone?
also if i do bubble tonight i wont be announcing it to WIFOM scum.
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Post Post #12231 (isolation #131) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:33 am

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mastin's plan won't work. grapes can't use his ability until season finale.
right now we are both thinking that almost is the most likely scum today. he has been extremely opportunistic. gonna look at some bubbling stuff to figure out the best play using his ability. the question is whether we risk the two man scumteam or not. Right now my likelihoods for remaining scum that I want to play around are
almost - right now the scummiest player IMO
Shiro/Grapes - this is the most dangerous combination
RR - don't think this is scum but does need to be considered.
any other teams aren't really worth considering at this point.
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Post Post #12236 (isolation #132) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:41 am

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In post 12234, mastin2 wrote:
In post 12230, Almost50 wrote:I'd need Mastina's view on this: It's a grapes + RR scum team, and it was all a PERFECT scum theater yesterday.
It's not impossible. I've explicitly brought it up; it was Magna who refused to think of the possibility, not me. So you don't need to convince me.

I mean, you do need to convince me, because I'm not convinced grapes is scum, but you don't need to convince me that hard.

I really fucking hate the scenario right now, because I was under the apparently-mistaken assumption the gems wouldn't be able to bubble tonight if they bubbled last night. And right now, as one of only two conftown, with MoI having been released in my opinion prematurely, I'm the only 100% reliable source of planning. randomidget is conftown, but no offense random, you're not exactly a gamebreaker. Magna is. I want to develop a 100% foolproof plan, but I know that I am wont to develop plans which have a glaringly obvious hole which I didn't see but someone else is able to exploit.

In this case, I'm pretty sure no matter what plan of the currently...three or four proposed plans, that there's a risk involved regardless, unless I can figure out how to sift through them and make them not have those flaws. It's a lot of pressure on me that I really wasn't looking forward to, especially since if as I suspect no plan is absolutely flawless...I'm left in a situation where I have to actually sift through nearly 500 pages and actually figure out which of the two choices is scum. (We can get it down to a 50/50 no matter which plan we do and no matter what risk we take. It might be a 50/50 today, it might be a 50/50 during the night, it might be a 50/50 tomorrow, but no matter what regardless of a plan, we've got at least a 50/50. It's just that we're trying to make BETTER than 50/50, and I'm not sure we can get that.)

Also, in terms of plans...the mercy option from the scum, and also the common courtesy option from the scum, would be killing me tonight. That would mean it wouldn't be my choice in any theoretical lylo/mylo tomorrow.
I mean. I'm not relying on mercy. The dick move is killing randomidget, ensuring that the gems lose even if the town wins. (I mean, if scum win, gems loses anyway, but killing the gems ensures the gems loses even if the town wins, and that's a dick move because the gems have contributed more to the gamestate allowing for a town victory than anyone else so robbing them of their victory for petty reasons is...like I said, a dick move. And while I'd certainly hope that the last scum wouldn't be a dick, I can't rely on it.)

But ideally, we win today.
If not, we win tonight.
If not, then not my problem.
And if not, if it becomes my problem, we win tomorrow.
Ideally.

I'm basically trying to cover every angle at the moment, and that's a level of computation which...is a bit difficult, so I hope you can bear with me for a bit. I know that I also need time on my side, to do this work quickly yet also thoroughly (which sucks especially since we're losing three days as of now thanks to the weekend), but the thoroughly is more important than the quickly in making sure we don't fuck things up.

It may be possible to ensure that scum can't win no matter what. I need to run the math on this, and be very careful about it. All the while, I need randomidget to ask grapes a bombardment of questions about every myriad of detail about the facets of grapes's role (everything randomidget can think of), and grapes to have done the same to Varsoon to get clarifications. After a few days of this, and randomidget relaying the answers to me, there are some questions I want to ask specifically if they weren't already answered, but which would be a bad idea for me to ask otherwise (because I don't want to give grapes the answer I'm looking for).

Only if a win isn't 100% possible do we enter into the realm of finding the best choices.

And by the way: regardless of autowin or no autowin, lynching RR today is going to be a part of my basic plan here.
like, if you could read my posts, that would be great. my plan was made by moi.
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Post Post #12241 (isolation #133) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:26 am

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damn this is hard. I'm seriously trying to figure out who is scum and i really don't know :/
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Post Post #12243 (isolation #134) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:48 am

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oh sorry did i not respond to that? mb
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Post Post #12245 (isolation #135) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:38 am

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yeah, im just getting my thoughts into order right now. I've figured out an autowin plan is my understanding is correct.
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Post Post #12246 (isolation #136) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:41 am

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it accounts for the scumteams: RR; grapes and shiro; almost
however, im not sure if it will work. it would involve lynching shiro today if it does work, and either conf towns grapes, leading to two conf towns and one scum regardless tomorrow or confirms him as scum.
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Post Post #12248 (isolation #137) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:24 am

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I'll double check with grapes if yours works. i dont think mine does, but otherwise i think yours is most effective.
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Post Post #12252 (isolation #138) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:00 am

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In post 12249, Almost50 wrote:I'm starting to really get irritated by the stagnant status of this game.
i can get things sorted, i need to check if my 100% win plan works with varsoon. if it doesn't i will move on to planning around grapes' ability.
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Post Post #12267 (isolation #139) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:38 am

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OK i believe i have a guaranteed win scenario.
lynch shiro.
if grapes/shiro we win
unbubble grapes
bubble a50/RR
game ends if i am right
lynch a50/RR if im wrong (the other is perma bubbled after my death)
gonna double check that works. only thing i need to check is the unbubbling grapes part
This stops it being down to anyone who is in the suspect pool, and also means that every possibility is accounted for..
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Post Post #12268 (isolation #140) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:43 am

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we would go into the next day with two of me mastin and grapes alive, with the final player being confirmed scum.
@scum, please don't kill me. unless you are mastin or can win without my plan. i know my play has been shit, but the other Crystal Gems, especially MoI and Skybird deserve the win. If it's a matter of town win or town and crystal gems win then please be nice :)
all the actions necessary on my part resolve prior to the scum nightkill so me dying doesn't affect the plan in anyway.
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Post Post #12306 (isolation #141) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 12270, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm sorry but actually there is a flaw in the plan. A town!Shiro does
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clear Grapes fully. It means that if there are two scum it would be Grapes plus one of [Us, A50]. A scum!Shiro flip clears Grapes and if the game continues obviously clears Grapes.

I need to talk to Cerb about how to bridge that uncertainty. I'm not entirely sure whether we can. I think we get two lynches for 3 candidates in that case.

I am pretty sure that's why we came to the conclusion that Grapes using his ability today was necessary in the first place. For example: if he takes A50 and exits the game and we lynch Shiro, the either the game ends or you bubble us and it's over in the morning. You can swap the lynch and bubble and it still works either way. Grapes' event is what allows us to have all possible scum out of the game all at once.

Think that through and respond ASAP. I've pinged Cerb to see if there's any way to fix the flaw in your plan or whether it is absolutely necessary to rely upon Grapes'e event being used today to ensure that we win.

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In post 12268, Randomnamechange wrote:but the other Crystal Gems, especially MoI and
Skybird
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WHO?? :facepalm:
mb meant xkyfu
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Post Post #12308 (isolation #142) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:47 am

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In post 12302, Shiro wrote:Btw assuming two scum left is dumb.

Legit

5 rubies and jasper is what it is. Peridot could have assisted scum.ad leftover but had the choice to turn. It makes no sense for anyone else to be Able to turn.

I know my opinion isn't if much value cause of how wrong I was but come on.

Mastin has the best plan btw.

Random I suggest you follow it.

Ideally you guys would see scum.is in almost v rr but I can't blame you not trusting me

So release grapes have him remove us from.tbe game, lynch rr and if game doesn't end bubble the other

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two scum is the most dangerous situation, so we do need to consider it.
if we have 1 scum as you suggest, my plan is foolproof.

are we going to consider the possibility of a two man scum team that isn't grapes/shiro?
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Post Post #12339 (isolation #143) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:01 am

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release grapes

sorry i didn't get on this earlier, really haven't been feeling great the last few days.
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Post Post #12355 (isolation #144) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:16 am

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grapes should take rr out then we lynch almost.
VOTE: almost
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Post Post #12357 (isolation #145) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:28 am

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i will bubble almost. Depending on grapes flip rr or shiro is lynched tomorrow.
almost, if you are solo scum then this is game over for you so please don't shoot me as it doesn't actually benefit you and stops players who deserve it from winning (same to everyone unless scum team is RR+ Shiro)
we can remove every possible two man team except RR+Shiro which is unlikely
wait fuck that will leave mastin as the deciding factor tomorrow which isn't good.
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