Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[PeregrineV]

Monday check in- back later

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Vote: Land of Xanth

I so miss reading his books....

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What is ToS?

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Still missing some people checking in.

@Lil Uzi Vert- thanks- I'll go look.

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@Everyone: If you could daykill someone right now, who would it be? (Looks like a weird question, but it has its reasons).

I'd dayvig Fuzzy Logic.

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I always claim day one. It provides ample information for me to read people off of.

What do you claim if you are scum?

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I always claim day one. It provides ample information for me to read people off of.

What do you claim if you are scum?

I fakeclaim as scum obviously.

So, given the disadvantage of claiming cop right away, and the fact you could be fakeclaiming as scum, you understand if we ignore the bit of self-meta that you always claim day1, and any reasons you gave for it. Right?

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Okay, so Comm is confirmed scum.

UNVOTE: Xanth
VOTE: Comm

If he really were cop he would've immediately CCed.

Do you seriously think for half a second that there isn't a second investigative role if you're a 1-shot cop?

This shit is redonkulous. No investigative claims are getting lynched on day fucking one.

-G

You know, I actually really want to check the hyrdra's role. Just because of how defensive they've been of a 1-shot cop. I've already claimed the pointlessness of a 1-shot and now I've even CC'd.

Now, I can believe there's other investigatives out there, but a cop? Maybe, maybe not. A 1-shot cop at that? Hell no. I'm sticking to my guns with this one. I can believe a Tracker, a Watcher or some other claim. But 1-shot. Nope, he receives the bullet train to the noose today.

You are claiming a role that is much more beneficial for scum to have than town, so I don't buy any arguments that your role and a cop role (even X-shot), can't exist at the same time.

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I'd dayvig Fuzzy Logic.

Why?

I am the town 1x lynch bait

Save us a lynch.

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I hope that neither one are actually cops...

Perv.....
I would ask why you would vig me but it obvious.... everyone loves to kill FuzzyLogic even when I am town. Cant remember was I scum our last game?

It's fuzzy- I don't remember.

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@Tywin

- Except that your vote and rationale boils down to a OMGUS vote. Would rather see attempted discussion by you of either Xanth or SlySly early reads list.

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@Tywin

- Except that your vote and rationale boils down to a OMGUS vote. Would rather see attempted discussion by you of either Xanth or SlySly early reads list.

Except this isn't true at all. Have you not read anything Sly or I have said? All I did was point out the facts, which show that he is insanely scummy. Why are you ignoring that? Do you TR sly for admitting he wants to policy lynch a cop claim that he believes is town? Do you TR him for not scum hunting at all, yet trying to discredit those that have? Or is it his shade throwing that are clearly misinformation or outright lies on what has actually happened in the game? You tell me, because you seem to have ignored everything said by him or me, and instead you just discredit my case/vote by calling it OMGUS.

If scum attack a townie, and in doing so, show that they're scum, is it OMGUS for that townie to vote the scum? What is your definition of 'scummy' if Sly looks town to you?

Your case was
1.

This guy admits to wanting to policy lynch a cop claim, admits to thinking it will flip town,

2.

Oh, and then he goes on to throw shade on me randomly by saying I don't read the game (which wouldn't be AI regardless), even though I have almost twice as many posts as him

Making it approximately half of it "Throwing shade on you", which is aka OMGUS.

But, I could be wrong, I am behind a page. Let me catch up and see if things changed.

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I'd dayvig Fuzzy Logic.

Why?

I am the town 1x lynch bait

Save us a lynch.

I took that as sarcasm. You know I need a jump start sometimes. Help a brother out. What am I missing? Is town 1x lynch bait a real thing or am I just unaware of Fuzzy's meta?

Someone asks who to shoot when half the players haven't checked in yet?

The real answer is everyone who hasn't check in yet. But, in case they wanted a semi-real answer, then Fuzzy Logic, for his single RVS post that also slightly supports James' whole claiming strategy.

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@peregrin: okay so calling half my case on Sly OMGUS is still different than saying everything I said boils down to OMGUS. That's not true, because I don't vote someone I don't think is scum, and the definition of OMGUS in MS's own wiki is: OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.

1. Sly isn't voting me
2. I've clearly stated why I SR him. It just so happens that his misreps, shading, and flat out lies were against me.

So again: why do you ignore the actual case and everything both he and I have said, and instead try to discredit my CASE/SR using a buzzword that doesn't fit? Do you TR Sly, and if so, why? If not, why are you defending him? He seems pretty capable of handling himself here.

1. Spirit of OMGUS - (you scumread him for him scumreading you)
2. I guess when you confront him about those misreps, shading, and lies, I'll eagerly read both of your posts thoroughly.

I null-read Sly, because of my experience playing him in past games. Time will tell, I suppose.

I'm mostly trying to get a read off of you, because there is a sense of activity from you, but it's not seeming to reach the conclusions I expected.

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Alright just got caught up

, can we not lynch someone for suggesting claims?

Also can we not claim in general because that's dumb af in this form of setup. If anything claims shouldn't be done till cycle 2 at the earliest since that's when results start coming in. Right now it seems like a ton of speculation and "scumslips" that could be associated as nothing but idk.

Is there any reason to vote for anyone yet

Semantically, this seems contradictory to me.

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NOC setup

What's a NOC setup?

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Well a good place to start would be your reads.
Tho you're concerning me that you're waiting for a scumslip for some reason...Why are you waiting for that?
Also look at 159
-Ali

See I find both people in said post dumb af.

There is no reason to claim cop day 1 period. There is no tangible benefit except to supposedly avoid a lynch but even then a desperation cop claim is stupid, the second thing is someone CC'd that claim. If anything. it's better to just take the 50-50 since one of them are bound to be scum.

If you're town then you're bad for painting a target on yourself for claiming cop and getting mafia to kill you.
If you're mafia then you're still bad for being the #1 target for inspects and being easily exposed.

Lose lose either way.

The CC honestly just forces a 50-50 as for who, I don't know really so have fun there.

He could be town bulletproof trying to suck up a nightkill.
Or any other sort of role that could hurt scum by his death or targeting.
Etc.
Etc.

But, based on your claim of 50-50, which one is scum and which one is town?

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Idk that's between you guys lol but I just don't see any reason to think he's scum with the way things went down today

My biggest issue is he is equating rolecop with cop, yet seems to know the difference, thereby making his counterclaim not an actual COUNTERclaim, but merely a reason to cast doubt on James.

Yet, in the event of James townflip, he still maintains the perfect alibi of "I said I was a ROLEcop."

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Do you really think he'd cc as scum? He's got nothing to gain from that, unless it's something more elaborate than I think Im pretty sure he's town here.

Well, he asked protective roles on him and not on James, he got no lynch policy for cop claim, he got towncred, and it's claim that really easy to fake, if you mafia rolecop, add to it him pushing James to tell modifiers (if any) to his 1-shot cop role and OMGUS me, he's null at best

Streeeeeeee----eeeetch. Dear Watson chap, I don't think that theory has anymore flexibility to stretch any further!

He claimed 1-shot cop. Without modifications I find it very hard to believe. The part you have a problem with I was pushing for his head until the rest came to consensus for me to look elsewhere today. Which I successfully analyzed and got Skeldirina out and about. Now I'm just calling you on poor logic. I'm not even sure your meta but I don't think you're as crazy as I am to make such crazy theories.

To me, you're scum trying to cast doubt on me so you can kill a rolecop in the night. But you're doing a piss poor job of doing so. You haven't budged a single person.

Why are you so aggro at me? You tell me to read yet you're basically trying to say James is town and I'm scum. Yet you're not curious as to if there's anything special about that 1-shot as Town?

I actually agree with Ram, and find his logic to be equivalent to my own.

Aside from the claim, you are actively scumhunting, so I give you a little more credit than plain null, but at this point in the game you're better off with reasoned cases like Skelda than "setup" reasons like James.

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I think both of the mind-bendingly stupid cop claims are town.

I'm surprised this doesn't have more votes.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

{Comm, James, Kyouko
Skelda, Xanth, Vifam}
{Twin, Pep, Fuzzy, Harp, TTTT, Zekromaster}
{Slysly, Ramcius,
PV, Lil Uzi}

I think both of the mind-bendingly stupid cop claims are town.

I'm surprised this doesn't have more votes.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

why he?

I'm curious why him when me and him are both equal scumreads, and there are like 2 votes on me in the last 10+ posts.

Seems off.

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@Uzi: so discussing the reads list of Sly/LoX would've moved the game along, but me discussing Sly's other posts were not? How does that make any sense? Also, I ignored his request, because I was going to do a read list myself until I saw that almost everyone was lurking/inactive/0-2 posts total (all with no real content) for me to say anything more than 'these couple of players are obv town, these 1-2 players look scummy, the other 12-15 players are completely null.' It was pointless and I stopped. Narna hadn't posted yet. Gamma wasn't replaced. Hark didn't post yet. Most players had maybe 1 RVS post at best. So how would his request for me to discuss a useless endeavor have progressed the game more than my genuine SR on Sly?

Well, 2 other people did it. What does that say to you about their reads?

It looked like chainsawing to me, since the goal seemed to be take heat off of Sly there. Otherwise, it could be scum trying to gain TCred by defending what he saw as lynchbait. I don't see why town would defend another player from simple questions, especially when Sly seemed capable of answering them himself. He wasn't wilting under pressure like a new player may (which then makes the defense more understandable), so I still can't see why he'd do it. His entire point about the OMGUS thing looks fabricated, and the term didn't even fit.

I pointed out that one-half of your scumread on Sly came from him scumreading you.

Feel free to continue to do it, but I find posts like 301 more useful than 246.

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Hmmmmmmmm.

Vote: Harp

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I've gotten the prod tomorrow. But of course it arrived yesterday due to game mechanics.

Anyway, I'm here.

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Hmmmmmmmm.

Vote: Harp

Why?
-Ali

Seems like a good use of my vote.

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Vote count and prods will be up within the hour.

Timeshift!!!

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VC 1.8 (1/22/17)

CommKnight [L-9]

Land of Xanth [L-9]

TTTT [L-9]

Ramcius [L-8]

CommKnight

Pepchoninga [L-9]

SlySly [L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert, James3, Land of Xanth

Harp [L-6]

PeregrineV, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

Vifam [L-9]

Narna [L-9]

PeregrineV [L-8]

Tywin Lannister

Skelda [L-9]

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-8]

Ramcius

James3 [L-8]

SlySly

Zekromaster [L-9]

ssbm_Kyouko [L-9]

Tywin Lannister [L-9]

Lil Uzi Vert [L-6]

Skelda, Vifam, Narna

No Lynch [L-9]

Not Voting [4]

Pepchoninga, Harp, TheFuzzyLogic99, Zekromaster

Deadline is on 1/30 at 5:30pm EST, in (expired on 2017-01-30 17:30:00).

With 17 alive, it is nine to lynch.

V/LAs:
James3 is V/LA through Sunday.

Prodding Narna, Skelda, and Harp.

doh!!!

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yeah wth nobody's claiming at L-6 lol

We've had 3? already.....

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Prodding PeregrineV and Tywin Lannister.

Separately.

We are not hanging out together.

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So there's absolutely nothing substatially new being said between my last post Friday night to my latest Sunday night. That's still not 48 hours either, so idk why I was I prodded?

Anyway, here's everything that's happened in the past 2 days: Sly keeps being scummy on purpose (seriously, wtf?), Fuzzy says his lynch is fine, Ram wants to policy lynch fuzzy for it, hark I forgot what his stance was and am too lazy to reread it, Kyouko SRs hark for his stance that I forgot, LoX SRs Sly, Vifam hasn't said anything game related, I forgot the other half of the player pool for being inactives, peregrinV I quoted below, Uzi TRs everyone apparently, James wants Sly to claim, and everyone else is still pretty much still inactive. Who'd I forget? I'm on phone so can't go back to read without this getting deleted, but that's about everything anyways.

I will say that if I got prodded (assuming it wasn't a mistake), then that means half the game is about to be replaced.

@PeregrineV:

@peregrin: okay so calling half my case on Sly OMGUS is still different than saying everything I said boils down to OMGUS. That's not true, because I don't vote someone I don't think is scum, and the definition of OMGUS in MS's own wiki is: OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.

1. Sly isn't voting me
2. I've clearly stated why I SR him. It just so happens that his misreps, shading, and flat out lies were against me.

So again: why do you ignore the actual case and everything both he and I have said, and instead try to discredit my CASE/SR using a buzzword that doesn't fit? Do you TR Sly, and if so, why? If not, why are you defending him? He seems pretty capable of handling himself here.

1. Spirit of OMGUS - (you scumread him for him scumreading you)
2. I guess when you confront him about those misreps, shading, and lies, I'll eagerly read both of your posts thoroughly.

I null-read Sly, because of my experience playing him in past games. Time will tell, I suppose.

I'm mostly trying to get a read off of you, because there is a sense of activity from you, but it's not seeming to reach the conclusions I expected.

1. Fine. I don't really care enough to argue this point beyond saying I don't agree that it fits. It looked like a buzzword being thrown around as a chainsaw instead of you actually believing it, but I'm not gonna push something that I can't prove.

2. You don't think I already have? I'm kind of wondering if you read any of it? Also, why haven't you asked him yourself if my questions aren't getting all the answers you wanted to see? Why would you eagerly wait for others to post questions/thoughts instead of doing it yourself?

3. What was your experience of him in past games? Did he look as scummy in those games as he does here, and what did he flip? I'm guessing you've seen him act scummy in both town and scum alignments for you to null read him here? Has this read been updated at all since his latest string of posts, or do you hold firm to the null stance?

4. What conclusions were you expecting me to reach? I'm curious as to what those are. You seem to want to direct me somewhere by the tone of multiple posts directed at me, but where, and why? Do you have specific players you SR that you want me to SR as well, or what are you saying about me 'not reaching the expected conclusions?' Why not just say it instead of trying to nudge me there?

2. You two did exactly that after I read 323. I am asking the questions I want answers to, so all good there.

3. Similar, Yes, mostly town, scum once or twice. Yes. Still null as of now. (Plus, rumor has it his fakeclaim is really good!)

4. I feel some of the truth of 285. You could still be in the exploratory phase, so I get that. I'm merely trying to keep you from self-destructive behavior.

For example, the top half of this post. More information than analysis. Same with 611.

I kind of expect your analysis with it, and the lack of it makes me go

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@mod: would that be helpful if I declare V/LA on the weekend (days I may/may not post a lot) and just post anyways if I can? I don't really wanna get prodded once a week for missing a Saturday or Sunday

.

Same here.

But separately.

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James' Reads:

Null: Pepochinga
Scum: Xanth, CommKnight, SlySly

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Hf have you read any before replacing in? If so, impressions?

I've read nothing. Just got pm from mod. Will try to be caught up by tomorrow.

Welcome Fitz!! Long time no see!

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1.) We are two cops. I realize this is not impossible, but with the amount of investigative roles possible, the likelyhood of two cops regardless of what's put before it is lowered. On ToS, they are considered different roles, however, they are still Investigative roles. On here it's no different other than the fact that ToS is randomized and this isn't. Forum mafia rarely has 2 trackers, 2 watchers, etc. 2 cops is quite rare.

A

cop investigation

reveals a player's alignment: Town, Mafia, or 3rd party (sometimes cops receive results as Town/Not Town, and Not Town doesn't distinguish between Mafia and 3rd party). A

Rolecop investigation

reveals what role a player has, but not their alignment.

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Let's not lynch today:
CommKnight
Land of Xanth (Hydra of -Grey- and Alisae)
Ramcius
SlySly
James3
Zekromaster
ssbm_Kyouko
Tywin Lannister
Lil Uzi Vert

Still up for receiving the noose:
TTTT
Pepchoninga
Havingfitz
Vifam
Narna
Skelda
TheFuzzylogic99

[PeregrineV]

Very fast post to say something I noticed while thinking about this game instead of studying this morning at school. KainTepes sent a coded message, that's why he was force replaced, right?

So, the only post from KainTepes is something that while being totally useless as town (as you don't have any chance to organize with someone to make them understand the code unless you've got some private chat with them) is "great" (well, if you don't count the risk of being forcibly replaced revealing to everyone yours was a secret code and thus showing your alignment) if you're Mafia.

So, Ramcius/KainTepes is a pretty scum slot. The single post from KainTepes looks like it's nothing (It's entire content was deleted, after all) but the sole fact that the post EXISTS makes the slot scum.

Tell me if there are flaws in my reasoning, or if someone already said that, as this is literally something that randomly came to my mind while I should've been studying hyperbolas.

I think it was mostly hard to see. I looked and it meant nothing to me when I saw it, so it's deletion means nothing to me.

In context, the post followed James claim post. I can see posting a crumb (in whatever form he tried) if you don't want to claim. And it could come from either alignment, depending on playstyle.

For the record, I really like Ramicus for town. He is pointing out all the logic gaps so I don't have to.

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OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

You can always go back them up later.

I like the Narna vote, except they are being replaced, so willing to see replacement quality first.

Start with Vifam townread please.

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OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

i agree with your reads more or less, but you should reconsider vote for now, Narna is empty slot, so voting him is pointless

Since you're here, do you have a readslist you can post?

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OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

i agree with your reads more or less, but you should reconsider vote for now, Narna is empty slot, so voting him is pointless

Since you're here, do you have a readslist you can post?

not really, i still observing and evaluating people, but my susp/lynch list for today is Fuzzy, Pep, Wifam and Zekro, others are null mostly, too much lurkers

why Zekro and Vifam?

[PeregrineV]

Honestly no idea whats going on in this game rn but I want you guys to know that im here and I care

How surprised would you be to find out I think you might be scum?

[PeregrineV]

Why do you think im scum

I find your lack of presence disturbing.

[PeregrineV]

Why do you think im scum

I find your lack of presence disturbing.

You could say this to a ~third of the game.

Expectations can be different for each player.

I don't like the low activity, but it makes catching junk posts easier.

[PeregrineV]

Very fast post to say something I noticed while thinking about this game instead of studying this morning at school. KainTepes sent a coded message, that's why he was force replaced, right?

So, the only post from KainTepes is something that while being totally useless as town (as you don't have any chance to organize with someone to make them understand the code unless you've got some private chat with them) is "great" (well, if you don't count the risk of being forcibly replaced revealing to everyone yours was a secret code and thus showing your alignment) if you're Mafia.

So, Ramcius/KainTepes is a pretty scum slot. The single post from KainTepes looks like it's nothing (It's entire content was deleted, after all) but the sole fact that the post EXISTS makes the slot scum.

Tell me if there are flaws in my reasoning, or if someone already said that, as this is literally something that randomly came to my mind while I should've been studying hyperbolas.

No, KAIN TEPES posted a cipher as his crumb. Town or scum could do this if it was a real crumb, but it was probably just a bunch of random letters/numbers. Encrypted text is not allowed though so he was force replaced

I think you don't replace someone for posting a bunch of random letter/numbers.

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Why do you think im scum

I find your lack of presence disturbing.

My activity fluctuates a lot regardless of alignment, im probably the type of person who can only play one game at a time


I have reads though


Skelda/Lox/Comm/Ssbm/James/PV all look town to me

The rest im not sure I or I haven't really looked into


Don't really have any big targets I wanna go after as scum specifically atm


If I had to do id lynch Uzi/Ty/Pep/Sly atm

See, based on the composition of these reads, I'd want more insight on how you reached them.

[PeregrineV]

If we could get everyone to stop wasting time with posturing and start working together on a lynch, that would be awesome.

Still up for receiving the noose:
TTTT
Pepchoninga
Havingfitz
Vifam
Narna
Skelda
TheFuzzylogic99

listening....

[PeregrineV]

Ok, I'll sheep to Pep. What would be the scummiest time for me to join the wagon?

Yesterday or tomorrow, due to timeshift.

[PeregrineV]

Moving this along, I hope.

Vote: Pepochinga

[PeregrineV]

@D3f3nd3r- I'll be at PAX South this weekend, so consider me V/LA. (Jan27-Jan30)

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Nero is getting his Role PM literally now.

yeah, I had waited to post.

I'm not reading two other games to learn about the mechanics here so otherwise I'll just scumhunt like normal.

Mostly, your stuff happens the next night instead of the night you submit it.

[PeregrineV]

Maybe I could forgive you for doing the international mefia synbol.

and whats wrong with a good facepalm? is actually my favorite smiley and is how I feel about most everything posted on this site and most players. I have some really good off site smiles but I have to C+P from photobucket and that takes effort .

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2529
Post them into this thread then you can just link to that image URL. Makes them easier to find for you and allows others to use them.

[PeregrineV]

A. Actions will, by default, not be resolved until the next Night phase due to the Timeshift.

In the first game, I died night1. In the second game, there was no night1 kill.

[PeregrineV]

Also can someone explain the case on Prep bc I look at his ISO and didn't see anything particular scummy. Maybe I missed something but I don't see him as scum.

You were going to look at the Skelda case. Update on that?

[PeregrineV]

Does anyone ever really double check?

I checked because I was so affronted by his strategy but usually I just ignore secondhand meta and go with what I've seen myself.

My issue with James is that when the game started he claimed, then was all gung-ho when his claim was doubted, and said he claimed to because he always does when town, and I ask him if he fake-claimed as scum, and he said yes, then kind of vanished.

His scumhunting has been limited to anyone doubting him, and his claim is kind of the only reason he is still alive.

[PeregrineV]

wait for the tl;dr imo

I'm not one to lurk and I don't need to be spoon fed but I still need someone to explain the Ram case.

From what I gather, Ram thinks Sly softed a PR.

I don't read it that way, but I like big fat juicy obvious crumbs in my cereal.

[PeregrineV]

Not quite biting on a Pep lynch. I need to be convinced more for my vote to flip that way

You were going to review the case on Pep.

Then the case on Skelda.

Would like to hear the summary of your reviews, and how you reached the conclusion of "not quite biting on a Pep lynch."

[PeregrineV]

Fucking hell, this role is the worst.

Whats up folks.
I do not plan to read anything.

What flavor of scum are you?

[PeregrineV]

Also, would like to hear your reasons to vote Pep

He may be scum.

[PeregrineV]

Query, are you not reading the thread, or are you a liar?

Prove me wrong.

[PeregrineV]

Firebringer isn't scum (probably anyway). He's just bad at making decisions in general.

Dude.......

[PeregrineV]

Also, would like to hear your reasons to vote Pep

He may be scum.

what makes you think so? Cause at this point anyone can be scum

Gut.

[PeregrineV]

Query, are you not reading the thread, or are you a liar?

Prove me wrong.

VI read on this one

Yes, I am a village idiot.

[PeregrineV]

I AM TOWN AND ANY WHO ATTEMPT TO WAGON ME WILL FACE MY UNFETTERED WRATH.

Just don't fetter it, and we'll all be OK.

[PeregrineV]

Dude it's a large and I don't want to get killed N1 I wasn't planning on producing a metric ton of content.

No content needed, other than

"Reasons why RadiantCowbells is not a good lynch."

[PeregrineV]

Mmm I don't think that this town would actually be dumb enough to try to lynch me day 1.

Seriously?

[PeregrineV]

Last minute lynch here we go

VOTE: Harp

hmmm, he replaced like a week ago lol

Yeah, that's Fitz now.

[PeregrineV]

We return Town results to all investigative roles.

Me too!!

[PeregrineV]

@RC-

replacing in and being more useless than the guy that siteflaked

WILL

get you lynched.

@Fuzzy

- I've decided that your intentions are fake, so you are scum.

Vote: Fuzzylogic99

[PeregrineV]

@RC-

replacing in and being more useless than the guy that siteflaked

WILL

get you lynched.

@Fuzzy

- I've decided that your intentions are fake, so you are scum.

Vote: Fuzzylogic99

it's not realistic, i tried push for Fuzzy, no one wants it, so for today it's RC or LoX on table

Maybe.

[PeregrineV]

Did I miss something? What does your wagon have to do with anything. Unless I'm mis-reading something the chain of events go

Pep gets wagoned
RC replaces in and does nothing (and uses self meta to claim its a towntell)
Fuzzy says we shouldn't kill RC
I say that Im still ok with a RC wagon but note the possible connection between the two

so.....

Yeah, you missed a couple players masturbating all over the thread to try and lynch us and RC stopping it from happening which he wouldn't have done as scum.

I don't think there was a massive vote migration from RC onto you. You are reading way too much into 1248.

[PeregrineV]

supposedly Ali (and I guess Grey too) always plays to the same meta so Ali always seems fluffy and scummy to me. I know she was hinting at something but I didn't know it was an investigationg role and I dunno why she'd do that with like 2 votes.

People are crumb/claim crazy with no info.

[PeregrineV]

@RC-

replacing in and being more useless than the guy that siteflaked

WILL

get you lynched.

I am town. You being a shitter is

your

problem, not

my

problem so stop acting like it's my problem and get over yourself.

Yep. guess being a shitter is my problem.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[PeregrineV]

I was gonna EBWOP since the 'hasn't had less' sentence doesnt make sense and should say 'more than,' but then I remembered nobody actually reads anything anyways.

Can you repeat that?

[PeregrineV]

VC estimate (2/3/17)

Vifam [6] [L-4]

RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, Ramcius, ssbm_Kyouko, Land of Xanth, XnadrojX

Land of Xanth [4] [L-6]

James3, CommKnight, Tywin Lannister

RadiantCowbells [4] [L-5]

Havingfitz, Nero Cain, TTTT, PeregrineV

TheFuzzylogic99 [1] [L-8]

SlySly

Tywin Lannister [1] [L-8]

Vifam

Not Voting [2]

TheFuzzyLogic99, Zekromaster

The new deadline is at 2pm on the 3rd, in (expired on 2017-02-03 14:00:00).

With 17 alive, it is nine to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Ain't no lynch like a LoX lynch. I'd rather have the hydra dead than anyone else, also quick-lynching anyone today that didn't claim would be scummy as fuck and would earn you a policy lynch tomorrow.

One of the things saving you and James from serious lynch consideration today is your claims. Why does LoX not deserve the same consideration *

I'll be shocked if either James or CommKnight answer this.

[PeregrineV]

Wow we're really gonna do this lol amazing

If you haven't, you might as well claim. That's probably the only thing to stop your lynch at this point....

[PeregrineV]

Ain't no lynch like a LoX lynch. I'd rather have the hydra dead than anyone else, also quick-lynching anyone today that didn't claim would be scummy as fuck and would earn you a policy lynch tomorrow.

One of the things saving you and James from serious lynch consideration today is your claims. Why does LoX not deserve the same consideration *

I'll be shocked if either James or CommKnight answer this.

PereV finally returns to the thread hours before the deadline, what happens next will shock you.

It's like I appear around 8am Central time every weekday, and mostly disappear around 3ish. Crazy shit.

LoX didn't actually claim a role just "I'm an investigative, fudge off". The claim doesn't even seem genuine to me. Just a "don't lynch me" sort of thing. Well in that case. Vifam is investigative, RC is investigative, Ram is investigative, Tywin is investigative, now let's lynch in the pool that's left shall we? Sounds stupid, doesn't it?

Vifam claimed VT, but pretty sure no one else claimed.
Not sure of your point with this.

If I am to die tonight by some chance, LoX and havingfitz are my two biggest scum reads at the moment.

Good to know.

[PeregrineV]

Ram is investigative

I missed this. Where did Ramcius claim?

Comm is talking shit.

[PeregrineV]

Hey look, the second person to actually acknowledge this fact. I was the first, and yet I still never got responses from people like Vifam, PereginV, Nero, and to a smaller extend Havingfitz (although fitz atleast said "gut" as a reason). I asked them all why they joined the wagon, what their reasons for their naked sheep votes were, and what case/specific part of the case they agree with/are sheeping. No response. It was just ignored completely. The only one to even acknowledge what I posted (aside from Havingfitz) was Kyouko, who interestingly was the person who all these people sheeped in the first place.

Shitty reaction to a wagon on him.

Playing hangman to show he doesn't care if he's lynched.

Getting mad the wagon on him didn't evaporate faster.

Getting mad when being called out on bad play.

Etc.

[PeregrineV]

Boy, I sure am pagetopping it today!!

[PeregrineV]

Also you might be right about putting Pere5 at the top of the scum-on-my-wagon list. I sort of wrote them off because I've heard so much negativity about them as a player but his case is literally NAI for the most part and disregards the fact that I turned around and played serious when I had killed the initial momentum against me. That feels like an intentional misrepresentation of the facts to justify the vote.

Nope. Your play has gotten better. That doesn't mean it wasn't bad when you first came in.

You know your not being lynched today, it's most likely Vifam.

Unless you have a super better claim than like 8 other people, no way are you dying tonight.

So now, mostly just want reasons behind the reads, and not just "they are on my wagon."

And talk about stuff here, like James & CommKnight, that whole thing.

And do you think Ram is scummy? General consensus a lot of people do, but I find him town as shit.

Is Nero scum? Tywin? People that can be helpful is they are right, and not so much if they are wrong and stubborn about it.

That's the sort of stuff I'm looking for in a replacement with 60+ pages to read.

[PeregrineV]

I have produced a fuckton of content and read the entire game Peregrine. Maybe you should read

my

slot and not ask me to read the game.

I did. Starting at your 48th game post, you voted Vifam.

Will I find thoughts on previous game happenings if I read the next 100?

And don;t confuse "posts" with "content".

[PeregrineV]

I have more posts than TTTTT and Nero combined and I certainly have far more content than either.

Then are they scum?

[PeregrineV]

I think we should just PL the RC or bust folks for being obnoxious and stupid.

See? This is not content, and not productive.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah whoever said the Pere5 was the scum on my wagon was right. There's absolutely no way that he completely missed every single content post that I produced.

You mean there is no way I'll not read every single post you made and try to figure out what you think among all the insults on every other player?

No, it's easy to not do.

[PeregrineV]

I am going to post 3dg at you if you try to engage with me so you are better off not doing so. I don't mind quoting 3dg though so if it's a shared interest, then you can go ahead.

I don't know what that is.

what I want is....let's call it a coherent summary of game related materiel from your last 100 posts.

[PeregrineV]

More like an hour 20 minutes

Vote: Vifam

[PeregrineV]

he listed 5 names, why you asked just about me? And since you didn't understood, he was sarcastic over LoX claim

Reading comprehension fail on my part. Disregard my question/s to CK.

Also Ramcius read it right too. So Vifam and Ramcius can read what I'm saying.

Which brings back to the question, why were you looking at Ramcius in general? I listed Vifam on it too whom claimed VT and Tywin....

22 minutes. You gonna vote Vifam?

[PeregrineV]

he listed 5 names, why you asked just about me? And since you didn't understood, he was sarcastic over LoX claim

Reading comprehension fail on my part. Disregard my question/s to CK.

Also Ramcius read it right too. So Vifam and Ramcius can read what I'm saying.

Which brings back to the question, why were you looking at Ramcius in general? I listed Vifam on it too whom claimed VT and Tywin....

22 minutes. You gonna vote Vifam?

Nope, you gonna vote LoX?

Hell no. You can rolecop her for juicy goodness.

[PeregrineV]

LoX was actually town.
#MindBlown

Yeah, they fact they crumbed instead of flatout claiming seems scummy in retrospect.

[PeregrineV]

Oh wow LoX was town what a surprise.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Hey fuckface go be useful or die.

Also Fire you're scum just shh.

I'm an investigative.

I'm a 6 shot copping rolecop.

Whoops, I mean

[PeregrineV]

Can I just lie and say that I hard scumread someone and see what happens? and lol LoX was obvtown I just didn't want to point it out and get them nightkilled.

also VOTE: PeregrineV like in spite of how much bitching I've heard about how bad of a player you are you are gonna do something useful or goodbye.

You pretty much need to keep your vote on me all day.

[PeregrineV]

LoX was actually town.
#MindBlown

Yeah, they fact they crumbed instead of flatout claiming seems scummy in retrospect.

i didn't get their crumb, but then i never bothered to do the rereading i said i would to look for the crumb.
i personally don't give a fuck about crumbs, they can be used as scum or town. in fact i only crumb when I am scum to make a fake claim look more legit.

The most obviosu ones----

Vote: Land of Xanth

I so miss reading his books....

I spy with my little eye... a PerV!

About time you got in here.

-G

Fire, if you seriously want to lynch is after reading 127, you're scum dude.

Now use your fucking eyes and read 127.

[PeregrineV]

Literally just help me lynch Tywin lol

I kind of want to know why you weren't lynched yesterday.

[PeregrineV]

VC 1.17 (2/3/17)

CommKnight [L-9]

Land of Xanth [L-6]

James3, CommKnight, Tywin Lannister

TTTT [L-9]

Ramcius [L-9]

RadiantCowbells [L-6]

Havingfitz, Nero Cain, TTTT

SlySly [L-9]

Havingfitz [L-9]

Vifam [L-2]

RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, Ramcius, ssbm_Kyouko, Land of Xanth, XnadrojX, PeregrineV

Nero Cain [L-9]

PeregrineV [L-9]

Firebringer [L-9]

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-8]

SlySly

James3 [L-9]

Zekromaster [L-9]

ssbm_Kyouko [L-9]

Tywin Lannister [L-8]

Vifam

XnadrojX [L-9]

No Lynch [L-9]

Not Voting [2]

TheFuzzyLogic99, Zekromaster

Deadline has expired.

With 17 alive, it is nine to lynch.

V/LAs:
None at the moment.

Information is incoming...

[PeregrineV]

i don't know when people will exactly learn that the only reason you crumb a role is if you are a weak version and that is to show you who you are targeting, all other cases is just giving scum something to search for.

Kind of fascinating that with 2 claimed cops, they choose to kill her, huh?

[PeregrineV]

Can I just lie and say that I hard scumread someone and see what happens? and lol LoX was obvtown I just didn't want to point it out and get them nightkilled.

also VOTE: PeregrineV like in spite of how much bitching I've heard about how bad of a player you are you are gonna do something useful or goodbye.

You pretty much need to keep your vote on me all day.

There was a game where Titus who is already good at strongarming wagons as her own namewapped with me in a hydra; she posted as me, I posted as her.
She was amazed at how easy it was to get people to follow me.

I am a lot better at getting my way than Titus is and I am a lot more willing to lynch people for pissing me off as you have done this game.
If you want to have this fight then we can have this fight but no one wins this fight with me.

Yes, you can spam up the thread with calls to lynch me and people will do so to shut you up.

If youe scum, perfectly viable tactic. And people will fall for it.

If your town, you're playing against your wincon.

I like Titus. I hydraed with her and it was tons of fun, even as we were mislynched.

If playing a game pisses you off, perhaps it's not really the game for you.

But, in the end, if you keep playing shitty and I notice it, I WILL call you out on it.




With that said, you have any real reads or reasons you want to share?

[PeregrineV]

vifam is hinting at more info or something, and i don't like it.

????

you are just saying "vote Tywin" like they got something incriminating on them.

Like all I see here is that Lox flipped town, one of the persons pushing them for a lynch was Tywin. None of which makes Tywin look more like scum.

Nah I just think he's scum

There was never a real case on me and no one ever could come to a consensus so

I could have swore someone unvoted you so you werent too close to L-1.

Then Tywin started something where he was trying to bargain in order to vote you when the thread was locked on him.

[PeregrineV]

I am not playing against my wincon. I think that you are scum and I have detailed why I think that you are scum and you have consistently fallen short of being useful.

Did you miss the condition at the start of the statement?

If your town, you're playing against your wincon.

Which post contains these "details"?

My use probably came in not playing hangman in thread with a 7 person wagon on me.

If you are not going to be useful I see no reason not to lynch you today.

I find myself pretty useful, actually.
And I feel the exact same way about you.

[PeregrineV]

why Pere on fire? I could point Zekro anf Fuzzy, if we looking for who doing nothing, also, Vifam, either you bring case on Tyvin, or i will consider repeated attempt to lynch you for starting wagon like that

No proof they were here.

Tywin was. And I think Comm was...

Yes, he pretty much said he was NOT voting Vifam, and wanted me to vote Xanth.

And maybe Fitz.

[PeregrineV]

Im prob not gonna make a case but he's not playing particularly to the town Im used to seeing him play, I feel he's spent more time complaining about other players than being inquisitive and gamesolving. He's being a lot more reactionary here and less of a teamplayer I feel

This is like the 3rd time somehting like that has been said.

[PeregrineV]

did pere visit me?

No, not yet.

You'll know it when I do.

[PeregrineV]

why Pere on fire?

????????

i see 2 votes on my townlean read and telling he's doing nothing in a hour of D2, yes, i call it being on fire, and i asked why Zekro and Fuzzy have free pass to slack?

They don't. We are looking at the end of day1 which was a no lynch, and trying to figure out why, and what it could mean.

Three people not voting Vifam were on at that time.

Why did they allow a no lynch to go through?

[PeregrineV]

did pere visit me?

No, not yet.

You'll know it when I do.

sound so ominous and threatening, i love it.

::Queue the eerie music::

[PeregrineV]

More like an hour 20 minutes

Vote: Vifam

he listed 5 names, why you asked just about me? And since you didn't understood, he was sarcastic over LoX claim

Reading comprehension fail on my part. Disregard my question/s to CK.

Also Ramcius read it right too. So Vifam and Ramcius can read what I'm saying.

Which brings back to the question, why were you looking at Ramcius in general? I listed Vifam on it too whom claimed VT and Tywin....

22 minutes. You gonna vote Vifam?

Not deadline yet? I should probably hammer Vifam then. Any objections? Intent to hammer here folks

Although it's kinda my fault for not being more active but w/e

Any other reads besides one of me/LoX being scum? Other SRs? TRs? Anything else to add?

Fitz claimed on townread on Vifam.
Comm refused to vote you.
Tywin...did whatever.

[PeregrineV]

Last ditch effort to save me obv

No, it could be you are scum and they are your buddies, but then it becomes obvious.

They could be scum trying to gain towncred by refusing to mislynch, but most people do not give that out.

Probably just going to be noted, and see how that factors later.

But, second chance for you- make the most of it.

[PeregrineV]

Well, RC was not the only replacement.

Vote: XnadrojX

[PeregrineV]

Idk why Tywin didn't vote me there when he said he was good with lynching me several times before, that's weird I can agree with that

You were L-2 though, according to VC. His vote would not have done it anyway,

[PeregrineV]

I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

And why were you against the Vifam wagon?

[PeregrineV]

Then again I could easily be wrong and PeregrineV could be the scum hiding amongst the cancerous fucking morons but then again I think that town wincon is served by lynching people this bad.

Here I was going to let it go, but you started in with the insults again.

Scum likes to hide behind insults and anger.

I vote to get rid of the one of the many cancerous fucking morons we are.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[PeregrineV]

Considering that kill was probably an SK kill I think it's likely the SK was suspected by LoX, unless did anyone notice him soft PR? Also suspicious that they didn't kill James, since comm, as a rolecop, would not see anything that indicated his target was an SK. That's how rolecops interact with serial killers right, they would only see something like a bulletproof, Timeshifted, or strongman modifier?

That's a mod question, since this is a theme game.

Does a town rolecop get "vanilla" on a mafia goon when they should get "goon"? If they do, then if the target is really a goon, the rolecop isn't a rolecop.

They may or may not get modifiers.

[PeregrineV]

Replacing Firebringer...

[PeregrineV]

Nero replaced Narna right?

I DID!

Why do you and James think there are third party in the game?

Ssbm- why do you think that the kill was made by the SK..... Yes the nod might be into SK but that doesn't mean there is one ,,,,,,, second even if there is one what makes you think it was the sk that did it. I am trying to figure your you logic
Kinda seems like you are playing out guess the mod.

Vifam- why do you think Ssbm is town. what about their play that makes you come to that conclusion

Check Timeshift Mafia I and Timeshift Mafia II. They both have serial killers, both of which were able to kill the same night, instead of the next In TSM I, the SK was able to timeshift the entire night's actions, and in TSM II, the SK had a 1-shot timeshifted kill. It's logical to assume that a same night kill in this game is coming from an SK.

I'm surprised nobody else cares that a kill resolved this morning. It should not have happened until tomorrow morning if it was ordered last night, unless it is for some reason timeshifted.

Assuming a timeshifted kill tells us there probably is one, since Xanth died last night.

Not sure of the point of your last paragraph here.

[PeregrineV]

post 1773 kinda sparks some focusing on LoX's claim. It's not hard to scum read a cocky player who is so full of themselves that they forget to properly scum hunt. But mafia who would've known LoX to not be mafia would've been eyeing up that PR soft hard.

Can you break this down?
I've read it four times and can't parse it

You were eyeing the soft claim up and giving it more credit than Tywin or I were. To us it seemed nothing more than a player being cocky about their play. But to a scum, it would've been a true claim of a town PR and a scum would easily give it more credit than what it was worth at face value.

You mean the soft claim they referenced 2 more times after soft claiming it? Like, the direct post number?

[PeregrineV]

Can we talk about how Tywin, after seeing LoX's flip immediately felt that he was being setup by Scum!Vifam and put up an OMGUS vote on me. Seeing as how LoX was softclaiming PR, if you're town why would that be the first conclusion you come too after seeing his death? There's no town mindset in that, that's scum trying to justify their votes via nightkill analysis

I'm actually going to look for what else Tywin can do.

Hanging his vote on Xanth all day1 didn't really do anything for me, and his failhammer of your wagon didn't either, so today is a new chance to do something besides vote you after asking for your final thoughts and reads the day before.

[PeregrineV]

Then again I could easily be wrong and PeregrineV could be the scum hiding amongst the cancerous fucking morons but then again I think that town wincon is served by lynching people this bad.

Here I was going to let it go, but you started in with the insults again.

Scum likes to hide behind insults and anger.

I vote to get rid of the one of the many cancerous fucking morons we are.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

I feel you but if RC is town it's best to just give him a chance to read the game, right now he's just being annoying but Im willing to give him a chance to be less annoying. If he continues the survivalist bs he's probably just scum and we'll handle him. Tywin needs to seriously be looked at tho

He had all night (3 real days or whatever) to tone down the shit attitude, if he were really in a bad mood or whatever.

I'll just say, We'll see.

Tywin is one of many who need to town it up some more.

[PeregrineV]

Nero replaced Narna right?

I DID!

Why do you and James think there are third party in the game?

Ssbm- why do you think that the kill was made by the SK..... Yes the nod might be into SK but that doesn't mean there is one ,,,,,,, second even if there is one what makes you think it was the sk that did it. I am trying to figure your you logic
Kinda seems like you are playing out guess the mod.

Vifam- why do you think Ssbm is town. what about their play that makes you come to that conclusion

Check Timeshift Mafia I and Timeshift Mafia II. They both have serial killers, both of which were able to kill the same night, instead of the next In TSM I, the SK was able to timeshift the entire night's actions, and in TSM II, the SK had a 1-shot timeshifted kill. It's logical to assume that a same night kill in this game is coming from an SK.

I'm surprised nobody else cares that a kill resolved this morning. It should not have happened until tomorrow morning if it was ordered last night, unless it is for some reason timeshifted.

Assuming a timeshifted kill tells us there probably is one, since Xanth died last night.

Not sure of the point of your last paragraph here.

My last paragraph is pointing out what should have been obvious about the NK, and remarking my surprise at how multiple people are questioning the assumption that there is an SK here.

Who is questioning it?
And what does it mean if they are?

[PeregrineV]

Elena Fisher is in for Firebringer. Vote count incoming...

Narna Fire Elena.

Got it.

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV: The OP says otherwise, no?

Doh!!

Skelda ---> Fire ---> Elena

[PeregrineV]

In the past games the SK had a mechanic that allowed it to bypass the time delay which makes it seem likely that there is one imo.

I'm not motivated to iso analyze you TTTT. I think the fact the Vifam lynch didn't go through indicates scum didn't want him lynched for some reason, probably because Vifam is scum. I'm latching onto that like a pitbull and I'll let go when he goes limp and not a moment sooner. I seriously doubt you're getting lynched today and the fact that there is posturing to get you lynched means that if scum are driving your lynch, they didn't target you for last night's kill so you'll see D3 and I can evaluate you after Vifam's flip

Who are your scumreads and townreads?

[PeregrineV]

Like can we please stop acting like scum orchestrated the no lynch by themselves or some shit, most of the town did the job themselves by not showing up when the time came and parking their votes

Whose is this?

[PeregrineV]

Probably not going for a Vifam wagon today. He seems to be trying.

@SSBM

- Not really sure why you seem to be SK-hunting more specifically instead of scum overall. What's up with that?

[PeregrineV]

That was me

OK.

Accurate in any case.

[PeregrineV]

Not that it matters since they aren't really even counter claims anyway, either way James checking Comm was a bad choice seeing as we'll be getting a result from him D3 anyway

Yes, we get results from Comm, but that won't show his alignment, while James check will

Does a town rolecop get "vanilla" on a mafia goon when they should get "goon"? If they do, then if the target is really a goon, the rolecop isn't a rolecop.

thoguhts?

[PeregrineV]

btw what do you mean Vifam is trying? Can you point me at what you're seeing that I'm not?

If you look at day1 where he seemed to be flitting around in a lot of his posts, he seems more focused today. Plus 1821.

[PeregrineV]

Well RC's the closest thing to a tr to have so that's accurate
VOTE: Pere
I want to see where this goes

Is this based on your catch-up read or lack of catch-up read?

[PeregrineV]

TTTT
Pere
Ram
Slysly
2 I sr 2 are good info lynches take your pick we lynch in there

You couldn't pay me to lynch any of them at this point.

[PeregrineV]

TTTT
Pere
Ram
Slysly
2 I sr 2 are good info lynches take your pick we lynch in there

You couldn't pay me to lynch any of them at this point.

Could've just said why friend

You said you haven't read, so unless you are going to make something up, why would you have or give reasons?

[PeregrineV]

TTTT
Pere
Ram
Slysly
2 I sr 2 are good info lynches take your pick we lynch in there

You couldn't pay me to lynch any of them at this point.

Could've just said why friend

You said you haven't read, so unless you are going to make something up, why would you have or give reasons?

So you think I'm making this up?

I have no clue. You haven't said why for any of them. The "James lives" is obvious, 2247 is not.

If you need to hear the question: "Why, Elena Fisher, are 2 of those players good info lynches, and why are 2 of them scumreads?"

[PeregrineV]

Can anyone give a cogent reason why SlySly should not be lynched?

There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and fuck one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and fuck 'em all".

[PeregrineV]

Can anyone give a cogent reason why SlySly should not be lynched?

There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and fuck one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and fuck 'em all".

I asked if anyone had a cogent reason why he shouldn't be lynched. Not a proverb.

No, I cannot provide a reason not to do an action.

Do you think CommKnight will come back as scum or town?

[PeregrineV]

Can anyone give a cogent reason why SlySly should not be lynched?

There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and fuck one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and fuck 'em all".

and how you going f them all without flip?

We'll start having flips today.

[PeregrineV]

players that weren't voting Vifam that were

active

after Vifam hit L-3:

sly

fuzzy
zekro

havingfitz

nero
TTTT

james

comm

You need to take me off your list.
I was here 8 hours before deadline
when there were only five votes on Vifam
and I made clear I didn't think I could come back before EoD.

There's 8 hours until EoD
I don't think I'll be able to be here.
I was about to compromise vote LoX
but dat claim.
RC or bust!

Vifam was at L-4 with five votes.
RC was at L-6 with three votes.

you are listed as not active.

[PeregrineV]

OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

Hey Fitz- can you update this. I'd like to talk more about them.

[PeregrineV]

OK

[PeregrineV]

Wtf is this fuzzy train I'm seeing? All I read was RC claiming he'll give a case of Ram answers some arbitrary question that doesn't matter. I called fuzzy out D1 and nobody gave a shit, so what's the deal now? Actually, I remember getting shit for calling him out too. So I'm gonna catch up and reread who those people were, and if they're voting fuzzy now with naked votes, we're gonna find some scumsters.

Nobody still gives a shit, but scum can't all be the people posting ALL the time.

So why not Fuzzy?

[PeregrineV]

I was kinda hoping it wasn't true
but ssbm is scum

can someone who agrees do all the hard work of typing up a case so the rest of town will see it too and scum will feel forced into bussing as well?
bc I'm too lazy and nobody ever believes me anyway

Can you give an outline? I'm going back and forth on SSBM.

[PeregrineV]

Go read my iso it's pretty clear I've been trying to sort ssbm through interactions.

I did, and I saw you start him as a townread, and I saw how it is now a scumread.

[PeregrineV]

RC is town

yeah I have small doubts about scum!RC
but how are you so certain?

I've played with RC enough to know this is his town game plus his reaction to when I tried to pressure him seemed like something town him would do. Although I have never played with scum RC before.

It felt like he replaced out because he was being scumread, like at all.
I don't get how you think this is a town reaction to pressure.

[PeregrineV]

That wasn't the reaction I was talking about.

Then what is you reaction to replacing out because he was scumread?

[PeregrineV]

How do we know the claimed SK won't backstab us first chance they get?
(Prodge)

can we add this to lynch pool?

Yep.

[PeregrineV]

RC L-4
SSBM L-4
Fuzzy L-6
TTTT/Vifam/James all L-8.

I can't believe we're on page 118...over 2900 posts...and still haven't lynched anyone.

This post brought to you by Please vote RC.

Not voting TTTT/Vifam/James.

Top three OK, I guess.

[PeregrineV]

Let's see about prod results. I will hammer if not done already after SSBM replay (or by tonight).

[PeregrineV]

Comm is guilty. There is now no reason to delay lynching him.

VOTE: CommKnight

Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[PeregrineV]

also, does people get notified, if they get jailed?

Not generally. They might if they have a role that is supposed to return results, they might get a result that indicated they were blocked.

[PeregrineV]

If Ramcius really JK'd me he should know Comm couldn't have got a result on me. If he believes Comm...then he is lying. If he is telling the truth...then Comm has to be lying.

Therefore...why aren't you voting Comm Ram?

Being jailkept does not prevent an investigative result.

[PeregrineV]

Deaths

Land of Xanth, Town Watcher, died Night 1.
Ssbm_Kyouko, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT

If James is town

and sn role claimed

, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town

and is role claimed

,

Comm is confscum.

Fitz was either the killer stopped or was protected from the kill or neither if SSBM was nked night1

If Comm is town, James

is lying scum or lying town

& Ram

are confscum.

is still town

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

for reasons that I, TTTT, will expound upon later

which would result in the no-kill N2.
N1 kill on LoX from SK power (see prior games)?

And SK n2 kill wne ts eomwhere, which I, TTTT, will expound upon later.

VOTE: Comm

Fixed that for you.

[PeregrineV]

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

[PeregrineV]

If James is town, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town, Comm is confscum.
If Comm is town, James & Ram are confscum.

If this is wrong will someone point it out plz

Done.

[PeregrineV]

Comm is guilty. There is now no reason to delay lynching him.

VOTE: CommKnight

Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Refer to the very first post of the day by Comm where he offers to tell us a name w/o a role, or a role w/o a name.

If the 1-shot Town Cop got a guilty on someone, he does not explain the logic behind why that guilty person could be offering bad information.

[PeregrineV]

huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

The variant with a name, which is not the claim Ram made.

[PeregrineV]

These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

[PeregrineV]

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

We couldn't lynch Wifam D1, but mafia let lynch their NK D2? Keeping in mind 2 slots were empty, scum could easily trow us on someone else, when RC started fight against Kyo wagon, or even before that, tehy could just straight up call out people for sheeping their NK wagon

Personally, I doubt SSBM as the nighkill, but if he caught a player as scum before, they could have considered him a threat. Or maybe he crumbed something. Don;t really know.

But, in the interest of considering all possibilities, if scum did kill him night1, then they would be resistant on his early wagon and not show up until the very end. And that is about as far as I will go in speculating on that.

[PeregrineV]

huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

no, my role says target will be protected from all kills and will be unable to perform any action, so i assume it's basic version

Yes.

Actually;

VOTE: Comm

Flipping him is probably the only way to understand his weird result/claim. If he flips Town Role Cop though, both James and Ramcius will be in deep shit.

I like this, i really do, why i'm in deep shit? My role have no interaction with Comm results, and it's Fitz, who counter Comm words, i went to read wiki, and i couldn't find anything about JK preventing other people from checking target, just about normal roleblock - target can't use any active abilities

Read the wiki again. Under "Variations" it says another variant of the JK role makes it's target untargetable to ALL acions, and is sometimes referred to as Alien.

However, I have never seen the term Alien being used for a JK, but I have seen the version where the JK prevented it's target from being Copped as well as from being killed. In fact, I always assumed it to be the genera case not the variant!

The variants have names for a reason.
Jailkeeper docs/blocks their target.

[PeregrineV]

These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

it makes sense when you consider there is a claimed guilty from a player who claimed cop day1

Who then proceeds to make his result look fake with all his followup posting.

it doesn't make sense when you consider that if he is cop he should be dead

Who? Commknight? He claimed roelcop.

but nothing is making any sense
I feel like we are either getting several scum lynched once this is all sorted out
or we have lying town

Yeah, that's why I refuse to jump to conclusions. James and Comm need to be questioned way more.

[PeregrineV]

Who? Commknight? He claimed roelcop.

was referring to James
James claims cop day1
makes it clear he's targeting Comm
yet here he is still alive
if he is really cop that means Comm is scum
why wouldn't scum attempt to NK him?

He could have been doctored. Or he could be not a 1-shot Cop.

[PeregrineV]

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

1- If they didn't want him lynched they could've easily stopped the lynch. There were 16 players alive and 9 for the lynch. 2 slot were not available and ssbm himself wasn't voting himself, so are you saying ALL ACTIVE TOWN PLAYERS collaborated to mislynch him?

2- It could not have been, because that means the Watcher was no the Mafia kill, which in turn means we have a Serial Killer or a Vigilante. Now WHERE are their kills on N2? And besides, that would be the most unlucky Mafia team in the history of the game, failing to kill on the opening 2 nights, and the luckiest own team ever to avoid 2 Mafia kills and 1 SK kill in 2 successive nights.

Yeah, that's why I refuse to jump to conclusions

[PeregrineV]

Being jailkept does not prevent an investigative result.

I did not know this.

I thought being JK'D prevented anything reaching jk target or getting out from jk target.

So if I was an investigative PR (which I'm not) and was JK....I'd still be able to investigate someone? I think not....and I wouldn't think it would work or not work one way only.

It works one way only. You can't do anything, or be killed, but you can be watched, copped, tracked, smacked, neighbored, etc.

[PeregrineV]

So we basically have two possibilities:

1. Comm is sacrificing himself in an attempt to buy towncred for his buddy Fitz, or

2. Comm knows that his action will appear as 1, and is therefore doing this to cast doubt on Town!Fitz. This could also be combined with having made a blind guess as to Fitz being town.

I think 1 is more likely, although not completely certain. In any case, Fitz and Comm are CCing each other, so they can't both be town, and since Comm declared Fitz to be confirmed town, he (Comm) can't be the town in a TvS situation. So either way Comm is confirmed scum. Note that none of this reasoning depends on my results (or on Ram's claim). The respective claims of Comm and Fitz prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Comm is scum.

@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

You'll need to explain your reasoning here.

None of his play makes sense as scum like he cc'd James D1 within like the first 20 pages and now he's saying he rolecopped Fitz after Ram claimed to jail him, how is any of this going to come from scum

"Too scummy to be scum" is a really bad line of argument, for obvious reasons.

All this, when you had a night result of guilty?

Vote: James

[PeregrineV]

James could be solo scum out of these claims.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT


wanna hear more from Comm

Are you kidding me? Solo Scum = Serial Killer. Now why would a Serial Killer fake a guilty on anyone? If their target flips green they're toast and they lose instantly. Mafia can fake a guilty to get rid of a strong PR, but a Serial Killer? I very much doubt it.

Also, a Serial Killer fake claiming on their first post?? What if there was a NORMAL COP in play? Again, SK would not have lived past D2 if hey weren't lynched on D1.

You have to be scum this game.

[PeregrineV]

IIRC, the other games, except for the Timsehift mechanic, were fairly normal as to roles.

[PeregrineV]

I caught you.

then why weren't you killed before you could out the guilty?

[PeregrineV]

Unvote

This is so dumb.

[PeregrineV]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

Not sure, I'd assume so if it was part of the role name. But perhaps not. Depends on the mod's preference.

And also Fitz. When you ask which lynch would solve more problems. Well I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

Also I don't want Vig to out himself so he's not interfered with. But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

Actually, your lynch confirms James/Fitz.

[PeregrineV]

James could be solo scum out of these claims.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT


wanna hear more from Comm

Are you kidding me? Solo Scum = Serial Killer. Now why would a Serial Killer fake a guilty on anyone? If their target flips green they're toast and they lose instantly. Mafia can fake a guilty to get rid of a strong PR, but a Serial Killer? I very much doubt it.

Also, a Serial Killer fake claiming on their first post?? What if there was a NORMAL COP in play? Again, SK would not have lived past D2 if hey weren't lynched on D1.

You have to be scum this game.

Why? Because I'm saying he cannot be SK?? I mean, I didn't totally dismiss he possibility of him being GROUP SCUM, but a Serial Killer he can't be. Not by play, not by claim, and certainly not by the number of night kills so far. I seriously doubt here is a SK to begin with. We only had ONE KILL in TWO NIGHTS, and now it appears we have a Vig too. Are you telling me we had THREE SHOTS (at the very least, and that's assuming everyone either has delayed shots or can't shoot on consecutive nights) and ONLY ONE hit it's target? It's not like Shaq is taking free shots here, mate!

His use of solo meant single. Not as in, playing without a team.

[PeregrineV]

May I repeat, that no vig or bus driver has claimed, so Comm remains confirmed scum. Those voting me over him are basically confirmed scum as well.

Your misuse of the word "confirmed" has been confirmed.

[PeregrineV]

Unofficially "poking" XnadrojX, SlySly, and Yume.

Use the pointiest stick you have.

[PeregrineV]

Would it be worth outing a vig to save Comm?

What makes you think they're not outed to the MAFIA yet? If nobody claims redirector then the VIG (if existent) should come forward because they will confirm 2 Town players. There is no use hiding if Mafia already know who the Vig is.

So we are clear, mafia said in their PT, "Let us redirect CommKnight the town Rolecop so that he investigates Zekromster instead of whoever he really wants to check. And while we are at it, let us kill HavingFitz."

Because then that would mean there is no kill and CommKnight, who checked whoever (in this case Fitz), would come back with an incorrect result of him being whatever role Zekromaster had.

Is this correct, according to you?

[PeregrineV]

Is there any scenario where Comm and James are both town PRs?

If the Mafia have both a redirector AND a Framer it may explain this, but I fail to understand why they would redirect the Role Cop's action to a TOWN player, unless they thought he was going to check one of them, AND THAT ONE IS JAMES!!!!

So, it is more likely to me that James fake claimed on D1 to out the cop, then they also got the watcher for free so they shot him first, then they somehow failed to shoot the Role Cop so they faked a guilty on him (because it's worth it).

In other words, I will only consider a Framer if someone claims a Town redirector. If not, then I think James is our lynch.

Why would mafia redirect a town rolecop when James claimed a town 1-shot cop? Why not redirect him to make whoever (Comm, in this case and given their day1 fighting) show up as guilty?

[PeregrineV]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

Not sure, I'd assume so if it was part of the role name. But perhaps not. Depends on the mod's preference.

And also Fitz. When you ask which lynch would solve more problems. Well I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

Also I don't want Vig to out himself so he's not interfered with. But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

Actually, your lynch confirms James/Fitz.

No, it doesn't. My lynch only proves James. Something happened to me or Fitz because I got a vigilante role message. That doesn't mean he can't be VT. This logic is flawed PereV...

If you are Town, James is confirmed scum, and Fitz is confirmed Vig (unless their is a redirector). That is one caught scum.

If you are scum, James is town, and Fitz is just Fitz. That is one caught scum.

[PeregrineV]

Like he probably could have potentially won a straight 1v1 with James because James isn't widely townread at all, why would he complicate his life like this if he's scum

That happened day1 and neither was lynched.

[PeregrineV]

@Tywin:

First of all, you're making the same faulty assumption I made about the JK preventing their target from being investigated. It turns out that the current "standard" role is to only protect the target from kills + prevent them from taking any action (i.e. RB them).

However, EVEN IF the variant (Alien) was used it does NOT prevent the redirector from redirecting Comm's action to X (X being the Vig), as it has NOTHING to do with fitz himself.

Having established the "possibility" of there being a redirector AND a Vig would result in this very situation and give those exact results, let's now examine the situation:

1- If you were Scum and wanted to out a potential Cop early, what would you do?
2- Again, if you were Scum and felt like fake claiming, would you claim Cop or Role Cop? In other words, which would be easier to fake?

3- If you were crazy enough to fake claim a ROLE COP on DAY ONE no less, why would you ALSO fake a result at the nearest possible chance? I'd reckon claiming having been RB'd or forgetting to submit action, or even claiming your target got NK'd would have looked much more convenient and far less suspicious. No?

4- IF there ARE a redirector and a Vig, it's almost a given Scum already know who the Vig is and they will be shot dead tonight.

I think we have 2 possibilities here:

1- James faked his claim to out at least one investigative and he got TWO. The Watcher with non-delayed action was a priority to take out and Scum can't shoot every night or they need to use delayed and direct shots in an alternating way or whatever that has prevented them from shooting Comm dead on N2. They thus decided to sacrifice one of their own for the strongest TPR we have, Not a bad bargain if you look at it objectively.

2- The other possibility is Scum have BOTH a redirector and a Framer, and they used the former to redirect Comm's action to a random Townie just in case he checked one of them, and used the latter to frame Comm himself knowing James had checked him in precise. Why redirect Comm? Because if he claimed a guilty and got lynched that guilty will follow.

Now if Comm is not lynched Scum will have a slight problem deciding whether to shoot him or the Vig tonight, but I suspect it would be the Vig with Comm redirected again. Alternatively they can shoot the vig AND redirect his shot to Comm, which is why I called on him to hold hold his fire until we lynched the redirector.

Again I urge you to try and put yourself in both James' and Comm's shoes and imagine what you would/would not have done if you were Scum in either slot. James' play doesn't come from Scum unless they had an elaborate plan like the one I'm proposing as the first possibility, but Comm's play and string of actions/claims does NOT come from Scum at any level. Period!

OK.. I got one scenario where ALL three of then can be Scum together, You want to hear a Mathblade-class theory??

1. Crumb or claim cop.
2. Role cop
3. To rolefish the role and get it to claim.
4. Unless the doc protects them.


1. Perhaps town should not be so quick to claim when there is no benefit to town.
2. Framer? When was the last time it was used?

[PeregrineV]

Yeah because we weren't gonna lynch two cop claims D1

We know that.
Do they know that?

I don't recognize either Comm or James, so maybe they are new enough to the site to not know it.

[PeregrineV]

1. Comm could be a scum rolecop

2. Comm could have taken a guess that there was a vig out there

3. You could be his buddy.

Whatever the case, he's still scum.

I should've shot you just to rid us all of your annoyance, but I assumed Scum would do it for us! *Sigh*

So, how come nobody asked whom I shot?? It's not like I'm going to tell, but still.. how come nobody cares?

Because based on your opening post where you didn't even read the game, that means either you are lying, or you shot randomly. Since shooting randomly doesn't seem your style, I really don't think you are the vig.

@Comm:

No, and Yes (let's confirm someone, but let's NOT expose their role).

I'll be honest: I haven't exactly “read” anything yet. I just took a quick glance on the jest of it. I do not plan on doing a “proper” full read either; meaning I won't be reading the whole thing post by post and word by word (You guys have broken the record for shit posting %age). I may read some sections thoroughly, but only if I'm prompted to (or feel the need to). This also has to do with the number of replacements that occurred that it's going to cause me a real headache if I tried to track each slot to it's original occupier and their successor(s)). I intend to keep up starting D3 though.

Any questions/remarks?

Now why is Vifam still alive?? Tywin needs to step up as a Town leader and get this lynch over with. James needs to step DOWN his high heels and get in the mix. Nero needs to open his eyes and actually "do a Nero" (I know you CAN). Too bad RC replaced out. I could have worked with him, but Yume is fine too.

There is still a 50% player base that I have never played with before (at least not with these usernames) so it might take us a while to get acquainted, but let's first show respect to each other and try to work with each other.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, I actually lied about my shots. Erm.. ONE is delayed... the other is Normal. That's why I had to ask the mods about the difference. I used the delayed shot and have the other one to use tonight.

P-edit:

Yes, Scum Role Cops are a thing, but so are Scum Goons faking a PR to get a TPR lynched.

Seriously though, Framers are also a "thing", and so are redirectors. Those things are called ROLES, along with many others that are often seen in Mafia games. Ever tried to play Mafia before?? It's a WONDERFUL game, but it requires a thing or two you seem to be lacking. I'll let you figure what those are.

Except you are also non-consecutive, and if you used one last night, you can't use the other tonight.

Right?

[PeregrineV]

@Comm...pardon if this question has already been asked, I do not recall seeing it...but why did you choose to RC me (I know...you sr me) instead of James (who has been 1v1ing you since D1)?

James was pretty obvious scum. I mean who the hell in their right mind with a non-consecutive role cop ability waste it on obvious scum? We'd just enter into today with his claim being the same and me saying he's Vanilla/Mafia PR. I mean I guess there's the slim chance he has a Jester role. But he's been obvious to me since the beginning but no one wanted to actually LOOK at James' shit posts. But people kept telling me to drop it until James got his "result".

You would have gotten a "Cop" role, or you would know he's lying, since that was his claim.

I wanted to check someone I was unsure of. I mean it'd either prove you town or mafia which would either stop me from looking at you suspiciously or confirm you for the SR I had D1. That and out of all the people alive, I deduced you'd be likely to survive. I mean why not, you're scummy enough and not really on the lynch radar. I wanted to know your role so if you noticed I didn't really push you at all D2. Because I was waiting for my results to come back on you.

You'd have to ask yourself, why wouldn't I pick someone else to check to help town progress?

What results could you get that would tell you the persons alignment?

[PeregrineV]

Except you are also non-consecutive, and if you used one last night, you can't use the other tonight.

Right?

Does it matter? I already shot a DELAYED shot last night, so it resolves tonight regardless. If the redirector is timeshifted (and I think he is) he will redirect my shot unto me or Comm and his teammates will shoot the other.

Because you keep changing your story. Unless the RE-DIRECTOR redirected you last night, they could not have affected your DELAYED shot, which would be a NORMAL shot, because all actions are timeshifted.

So, really, you sound like you are faking it.

And 3316.

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: Almost50 enters and said he did not read the game. Given past games with him as town, I do not beleive he shoots blindly

1. Comm could be a scum rolecop

2. Comm could have taken a guess that there was a vig out there

3. You could be his buddy.

Whatever the case, he's still scum.

I should've shot you just to rid us all of your annoyance, but I assumed Scum would do it for us! *Sigh*

So, how come nobody asked whom I shot?? It's not like I'm going to tell, but still.. how come nobody cares?

Because based on your opening post where you didn't even read the game, that means either you are lying, or you shot randomly. Since shooting randomly doesn't seem your style, I really don't think you are the vig.

@Comm:

No, and Yes (let's confirm someone, but let's NOT expose their role).

I'll be honest: I haven't exactly “read” anything yet. I just took a quick glance on the jest of it. I do not plan on doing a “proper” full read either; meaning I won't be reading the whole thing post by post and word by word (You guys have broken the record for shit posting %age). I may read some sections thoroughly, but only if I'm prompted to (or feel the need to). This also has to do with the number of replacements that occurred that it's going to cause me a real headache if I tried to track each slot to it's original occupier and their successor(s)). I intend to keep up starting D3 though.

Any questions/remarks?

Now why is Vifam still alive?? Tywin needs to step up as a Town leader and get this lynch over with. James needs to step DOWN his high heels and get in the mix. Nero needs to open his eyes and actually "do a Nero" (I know you CAN). Too bad RC replaced out. I could have worked with him, but Yume is fine too.

There is still a 50% player base that I have never played with before (at least not with these usernames) so it might take us a while to get acquainted, but let's first show respect to each other and try to work with each other.

Spoiler: Talks about how RadiantCowbells could be the NK becasue he could be the Vig

In my mind it had to do with him being the preferred NK target for a number of payers, so he was partially saving the SLOT from being NK'd.

there are only two killing roles as far as I know. If we assume RC is town why would either mafia or the SK EVER shoot at that big piece of mislynch bait?

1- Because it was RC, and you and I both know how hard it is to get him lynched.
2- Because they don't know what ROLE he had. For all we know he could be the

Vigilante (he did recommend a Vig shot on you, but he left before it was time for him to submit the action).

If I' ever Scum (of any alignment) in a game with RC, I do NOT want him alive by D2. EVER. I would probably shoot him over anyone else in the game.

Spoiler: Another metion of Vig, who may have shot SSBM

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

1- If they didn't want him lynched they could've easily stopped the lynch. There were 16 players alive and 9 for the lynch. 2 slot were not available and ssbm himself wasn't voting himself, so are you saying ALL ACTIVE TOWN PLAYERS collaborated to mislynch him?

2-

It could not have been, because that means the Watcher was no the Mafia kill, which in turn means we have a Serial Killer or a Vigilante

. Now WHERE are their kills on N2? And besides, that would be the most unlucky Mafia team in the history of the game, failing to kill on the opening 2 nights, and the luckiest own team ever to avoid 2 Mafia kills and 1 SK kill in 2 successive nights.

Spoiler: Claimed non-consecutive, but is now going to use a shot tonight after shooting last night

Alright, I actually lied about my shots. Erm.. ONE is delayed... the other is Normal. That's why I had to ask the mods about the difference. I used the delayed shot and have the other one to use tonight.

P-edit:

Yes, Scum Role Cops are a thing, but so are Scum Goons faking a PR to get a TPR lynched.

Seriously though, Framers are also a "thing", and so are redirectors. Those things are called ROLES, along with many others that are often seen in Mafia games. Ever tried to play Mafia before?? It's a WONDERFUL game, but it requires a thing or two you seem to be lacking. I'll let you figure what those are.

Except you are also non-consecutive, and if you used one last night, you can't use the other tonight.

Right?

Spoiler: The claim(s)

Ok, F-this! I AM IT! I AM THE FRIGGIN' VIG!! Alright??
I'm 2-shots, both delayed and can't shoot on consecutive nights. I fired once last night so I can only fire again on N4. My predecessor apparently wasn't even playing so he left me the 2 shots intact.

Everybody happy now?? Now let's move on. COMM IS TELLING THE TRUTH, Goddammit!

Btw, my Role PM calls them "Normal" and I had to check with the mod as to what it meant bc I thought "timeshifted" was the term for the delayed shot. If that helps verify my claim to you at all!

Except you are also non-consecutive, and if you used one last night, you can't use the other tonight.

Right?

Does it matter? I already shot a DELAYED shot last night, so it resolves tonight regardless. If the redirector is timeshifted (and I think he is) he will redirect my shot unto me or Comm and his teammates will shoot the other.

Spoiler: More of the same- All actions/results are timeshifted. This does not match previous claims of non-consecutive, and unless "The Vig" was redirected the night he shot, the shot should go through

Except you are also non-consecutive, and if you used one last night, you can't use the other tonight.

Right?

Does it matter? I already shot a DELAYED shot last night, so it resolves tonight regardless. If the redirector is timeshifted (and I think he is) he will redirect my shot unto me or Comm and his teammates will shoot the other.

Because you keep changing your story. Unless the RE-DIRECTOR redirected you last night, they could not have affected your DELAYED shot, which would be a NORMAL shot, because all actions are timeshifted.

So, really, you sound like you are faking it.

And 3316.

Sure, here you go.

[PeregrineV]

So, what IS you point still? That I'm faking my Vig claim? I sure could be, but it should only confirm me as Town to you in particular if you're serious about using my meta as a guage.

Or that I'm telling you misleading details about my role which IS the Vig? Again, it's evident that I do this often, and you have played with me enough to know that.

Or are you proposing that I'm SCUM fake claiming a Vig? Cuz THAT would be inexplicable as hell. It first necessitates you to have a scum read on the one I'm trying to save. Do you SR Comm?

Then it requires you to assume I'm stupid enough to out myself to save my Scum p. Is this what you think of me, based on your extensive experience with me?

PV, I don't know if you're scum or town (I'm leaning Town, but even I would admit my town game needs tweaking), but you seriously need to take a closer look at the game as a whole and at me in particular. This is NOT my Scum game and you know it. As Scum I'm MUCH better than this.. as embarrassing as me saying this would be.

Except none of this is a good thing. If you are town fakeclaiming, then why? If you are doing it to protect your reads, that's dumb, because reads are just that, reads. And when you die, we look at what you posted as truthful information to solve the game. If you lied, then you effectively reduce our chances of winning.

If you are scum fakeclaiming, then we want to figure out who you are protecting.

None of this is based on extensive experience, it's based on previous games with you were you were town. Where they comprehensive or indicative of future games? Probably not, but the net result is you claim sounds fake.

[PeregrineV]

So, in sum.. I DID read, but I just lied about it so a not to be forced to out my reads and thus have "outside effect" to my decision(), either by someone SRing, or someone defending one of my SRs, or Scum pushing me hard enough that I'd have to claim prematurely.

Thank you for attending class 101 of BASIC ALMOST50 PLAY

Lying about reading the thread in order to not make us think of you as a valuable replacement, but instead see you as another lazy replacement?

Not sure how that tricks scum, but it definitely makes it hard to think you know what you are saying about the game if you are claiming not to have read it.

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

If Almost is a bulletproof SK, then the Vig claim works great. Vig shoots him, gets nowhere, but doesn't bother claiming until 2 days later.

And of course, Almost is a 2-SHOT CONSECUTIVE OR NON-CONSECUTIVE ONE-NORMAL AND/OR ONE-TIMESHIFTED-DELAYED SHOT VIGILANTE, which could be different from a regular vigilante.

So, yes, I doubt Almost50 is mafia and tying himself with his teammates, but he is in no way confirmed town.

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

Do you understand that if we lynch CommKnight, we can catch or confirm one or more scum?

[PeregrineV]

Then Comm just lucked out and SK saved him for whatever reason

What?

[PeregrineV]

If Almost is SK why would he bother to get Comm off the hook like that and claim

Why do you think?

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

Do you understand that if we lynch CommKnight, we can catch or confirm one or more scum?

Do you realize mislynching me lets James laugh at you guys when HE CLAIMED MAFIA not even 3 pages ago -.-

1. Do you believe his claim?
2. I give 2 shits about James laughing. When you flip town, he dies. When you flip scum, then scum have to kill him, unless everyone thinks he's bussing.

[PeregrineV]

Were definitely not lynching Comm

Why not? It makes the most sense.

[PeregrineV]

I don't see reason for SK to claim here vig, mafia knows who Comm targeted. A50 can be mafia baiting real vig, they might be bp role, or they can plan use me, they have redirector for that, leaving Comm to do his work is viable, we won't know if Comm got real results or was redirected, assuming Comm is town

My point remains, Almost is not confirmed town for claiming vig.

[PeregrineV]

Because James literally claimed Mafia if he's town fuck it then whatever none of this is our fault

No. That's not how you win the game. "Fuck it" is not scumhunting.

[PeregrineV]

Plus Comm feels more town than him in the first place and James has been a complete anti-town entity all game so

Yes, this I agree with.

However, we now have additional information that we have to use in addition to feels and stuff.

At this point, if we are staying away from claims, then I would rather lynch Yume.

Otherwise, as a logic puzzle, James is only 2nd best choice.

[PeregrineV]

Because James literally claimed Mafia if he's town fuck it then whatever none of this is our fault

No. That's not how you win the game. "Fuck it" is not scumhunting.

Nah Im not with that im sorry you don't get to be completely antitown and useless the whole game, selfvote, claim mafia and get to live. That's ridiculous

Day1, fine. Day3, not using information is anti-town.

Besides, Almost already shot him last night, probably.

[PeregrineV]

If he's town then that's completely on him idc

This isn't "punish the player", this is "make your team win". Post-game, please spend a full page or 2 tearing him a new one.

[PeregrineV]

At this point Comm being scum takes too many wild theories

Not really.

Comm the scum rolecop claims to target Fitz, targets someone else, gives a fake result, and now knows three roles in a single night, their target, the vig who claimed, and Fitz who claimed.

That's the simplest assumption, nothing wild about it.

And bonus is Ram who claimed.

[PeregrineV]

At this point, if we are staying away from claims, then I would rather lynch Yume.

We're staying away from claims? Why?
We have a 1v1...a scum admission....so.....huh?

I'd be up for Yuma after James given my previous RC suspicions. Plus Yume (who I know not) avoiding/ignoring the game.

Because if someone claimed that I was not my role, I would think they are scum and want them dead.

If I was VT being accused of being a PR, I would say "got me" and take the bullet for the real PR.

You did neither. Which I find SUPER fishy.

[PeregrineV]

Were not lynching Comm I really dont wanna entertain the thought im sorry

You don't have to vote him, but if he flips scum, it makes you look bad.

[PeregrineV]

At this point Comm being scum takes too many wild theories

Not really.

Comm the scum rolecop claims to target Fitz, targets someone else, gives a fake result, and now knows three roles in a single night, their target, the vig who claimed, and Fitz who claimed.

That's the simplest assumption, nothing wild about it.

And bonus is Ram who claimed.

only thing pinging me here, why counter me on Fitz? I was demanding him reveal target and role, so he could name someone else and let Fitz eat bullet as caught mafia killer

If Fitz were Comm's buddy, then Comm could be trying to cover for Fitz. Even is Comm flips Scum Rolecop, we could believe he is telling truth on Fitz. See 3436.

[PeregrineV]

I really don't think he's gonna flip scum

99% sure he's town

Maybe. That's why if we are not doing logic, then let's get rid of people we will never be able to get a read on because they never post. Or make them post.

[PeregrineV]

I think it's logical to lynch the guy claiming scum

Yeah, cause town never do stupid shit.

Comm's play doesn't really make sense from a scum perspective

I mostly agree.

Comm isn't gonna claim D1 then go on to say he got the wrong result on Fitz

No, as town he shoudl not.

Like that's some shit you really gotta plan out

If he planned it all out good for him I guess he probably deserves to win

Yes, and no. I don't care how well they planned it out, I still want to win.

[PeregrineV]

At this point, if we are staying away from claims, then I would rather lynch Yume.

We're staying away from claims? Why?
We have a 1v1...a scum admission....so.....huh?

I'd be up for Yuma after James given my previous RC suspicions. Plus Yume (who I know not) avoiding/ignoring the game.

1) Because if someone claimed that I was not my role, I would think they are scum and want them dead.

2) If I was VT being accused of being a PR, I would say "got me" and take the bullet for the real PR.

You did neither. Which I find SUPER fishy.

1 - which I did evidenced my immediate vote on Comm. That has been retracted due to further consideration. Supported by subsequent claims and stuff.

2 - OBE due to point 1 but also...I'm not you. I'm not complex enough to support a falsehood as town. Plus if I had the real vig might have still claimed and/or Comm would still be suspect.

Do you think James is scum?

1. I saw that in 3113, 3119, 3127. Still, you seemed convinced at a speed that surprised me.

2. There's nothing complex about VTs taking hits for Town. That's basic town play.
Maybe the vig claims and maybe they don't.
No one seems to suspect Comm except me.

I think James is probably town. I'd be surprised if he's a cop, but if he is scum, then day1 would be some hard James bussing for some bonus town credit/revenge for crap play.

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

Do you understand that if we lynch CommKnight, we can catch or confirm one or more scum?

The only scenerio I can come up with for Almost lying here is for him to bait the real vig to claim. Since James claimed scum almost immediately after, it stops any other possible lynch from happening, and so scum would have the vig outted while Almost stays alive for another day to do.. whatever. It's a bad trade off for scum IMO, because a counter outs two scum in a row for the benefit of outting 1 PR. I just don't see Almost making that choice as scum, because the potential benefit is outweighed by the cost. A 1 for 1 isn't very good unless it's an extremely important role, which a cop could be (so James' claim makes sense to out comm, and he got the watcher too), but a vigi isn't in the same category unless it's Lylo or close to it and scum can afford the trade.

Idk, I get what you're saying about not confirming him, but he's not the best lynch today. James claimed scum, so unless he's trolling, we gotta take the sure thing.

Links to the last game you played where scum claimed scum before being lynched?
Links to any number of games where town claimed scum before being lynched?

Not interested in lynching Almost today, but sure ain't clearing him.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrinV: I'm still not following why you don't think James is the best lynch. He claimed scum. Do you think he's just trolling, or do you want to gamble on someone else even though there's a sure thing right in front of you? Why gamble today? What benefit is there to lynch Comm over James? You said James is only the 2nd best lynch today, so why is Comm the first? I'm not following your logic. What does lynching comm gain over lynching sure scum?

I define trolling differently, but yes, I think he is NOT scum. There is no gamble, and no sure thing. Why is James sure scum?

If CommKnight is town, James is confirmed scum, and Fitz is confirmed Vig (unless their is a redirector). That is one caught scum.

If CommKnight is scum, James is town, and Fitz is just Fitz. That is one caught scum.

Tbh, the only reason I can think of to not lynch James today is that his scum claim and self vote strike me as protecting someone else from getting the noose. Idk what other reason anyone would literally claim scum when they aren't even L1 and nowhere near deadline. Granted, he was the most likely lynch at that point, but there could've been swings onto other players hypothetically. James claiming at that point makes me think a counter wagon was also scum.

Because people are people and do stuff that don't make sense to other people.

Now I'm lost. What counterwagon? Who would James be trying to protect?