In Memory

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:20 am

In post 2414, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2408, The DEO wrote:
In post 2405, Vaxkiller wrote:DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?
I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.

To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.

~~Math
I really have a hard time following this - I can't see what you're thinking

you say "no scumkill" but then, by your logic, isn't lycan the scumkill and I'm lying about my vig timing?

what is my lie? ugh this is realllly frusrtating

MB, check yourself if you're town, I think you just get lost on crazy theories to explain things

to me this just feels like scum pushing an agenda hardcore though

I am saying
Scum submit you to do kill on player X.
You vig Lycanfire for cred.
Lycanfire having you as a top scumread redirects all your actions to him. Since you claimed killing role and based on thread meta he was likely being mislynched.

Therefore the scum kill and vig kill went to Lycanfire and Drealmerz is a scum vig.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:21 am

This would explain the missing kill if you are truly a vig.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:23 am

Or you aren't even a vig at all and just did the scum kill.

Either way Lycanfire's status needs explaining and that is the point.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:24 am

In post 2421, Frozen Angel wrote:even a treestump function would stop with double kill

Your making no sense

Yes it would. That is my point.

Double kill would in essence neuter delayed death.

However I really want RC to speak on this.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:26 am

In post 2423, drealmerz7 wrote:okay, shit, there's a fucking start to me understanding what the fuck you're saying

you're saying I performed 2 NKs - because I'm a scum vig.? I scum-vigged lycan (during the Day is your thought?) and then killed someone else at Night, was redirected by lycan onto himself? *phew* is that right? (no sarcasm / attitude here, I just am checking it)

During day or night you vig Lycan.
During night scum have you submit NK since already killing.

Gets redirected to Lycanfire.

Further idea for this is where Lycanfire says "What if I am the vig?"

~~Math

Pedit Dreal onto Dreal if Dreal is town is devastating.

I think Dreal onto Lycanfire makes the most sense.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:28 am

In post 2428, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2424, The DEO wrote:
In post 2421, Frozen Angel wrote:even a treestump function would stop with double kill

Your making no sense
Yes it would. That is my point.

Double kill would in essence neuter delayed death.

However I really want RC to speak on this.

~~Math
No it wouldn't!

Where do you see a treestump like that?

lol

Again I disagree and I want to wait on RC.

One shot >> Converts treestump still alive >> Second shot kills so removes treestump.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:30 am

In post 2430, Frozen Angel wrote:http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

this is treestump

where did it says with 2 kills it will be nuetralized? thats a total new mehcanic to me

So MS does tree stump weird.

No living players.

Wtf?

Then how is Lycanfire dead?

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:31 am

In post 2432, Frozen Angel wrote:OMFG

whats wrong with you

Where did you saw a treestump like that before?

Link please

Can't link. F2F :/

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:34 am

I am used to treestump being alive and can be killed again if they are too chatty.

~~Math

I want an explanation to why Lycanfire is dead and I don't want "mod error" because I don't buy that.

~~Math

Pedit : f2f is face to face. I can't link it or I would.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:40 am

And the mod should be able to answer when he died.

@mod: Can you please answer when Lycanfire first took a killing action?
And for my own sanity (even though this doesn't follow the MS wiki but I have played some nonbastard games that didn't like Wake's) can you please confirm Lycanfire is not a treestump?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:40 am

(Still Math head posting)

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:51 am

This is not bastard but I take that with a grain of salt on MS a a whole.

Have had games where they call themselves not bastard yet don't follow the wiki so I assume it does but then if it doesn't it becomes okay another bastard not bastard game and just shut up.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:52 am

Okay so we have a death that cannot literally be explained. This is bad. :/

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:54 am

Don't get me started it was a normal.

I just don't trust bastard tags. I was not talking about Cowboy bebop.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:55 am

In post 2454, drealmerz7 wrote:DEO is pissed scumteam leader who has ZERO NIGHTKILLS come D3

....Yes and I call a player a stalker to achieve my wincon. /sarcasm

I am not scum and would not do that.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:57 am

FA it could be a million things.

Could be that Drealmerz is strongman scum who got redirected to Lycanfire thus canceling his delayed death.

Could be that the country means something else as he is a person.

I just think scum have fucked with us in a big way and I don't know how to get the answer.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:58 am

In post 2463, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2453, The DEO wrote:I just don't trust bastard tags. I was not talking about Cowboy bebop.
you said the exact same crap in my game. having modified roles is perfectly normal for themed games and this is one. following wiki or not is not what determines a game as bastard.

and this game is not bastard - it wasn't advertised as one I think

and nothing so far was bastard.

Let's not go down this rabbit hole please.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:59 am

In post 2462, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2457, The DEO wrote:
In post 2454, drealmerz7 wrote:DEO is pissed scumteam leader who has ZERO NIGHTKILLS come D3
....Yes and I call a player a stalker to achieve my wincon. /sarcasm

I am not scum and would not do that.

~~Math
I'm honestly not so sure

Woto list needs updating.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 am

In post 2467, Frozen Angel wrote:no something disabled that passive or they died during day there are no other possibilities.

Stop telling crap. That was a delayed DEATH. Country was just a refrense to his flavor. It is described with proper english!

strongman wouldn't pass delayed death. the death would stay delayed

Then there is no viable explanation.
Scum have 0 reason to daykill Lycan and no one claimed it.
So Lycanfire had to be killed at night only in which case someone had to vanillize him which still means something is off because vanillizing a future mislynch is dumb for scum.

Unless scum have a strong kill that surpasses death abilities that somehow got redirected to Lycan I don't see how he is dead dead. Or Drealmerz vanilla'D and killed someone else and got forced to Lycanfire.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:03 am

In post 2470, drealmerz7 wrote:woto?

Wisdom of the one. It means I have no desire to play with someone in the future who thinks I would do that.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:06 am

I am stepping away but how Lycanfire is dead dead needs answers.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:58 am

You and Math need to chill. You're both riling each other up. Math's thoughts might be possible but unlikely. We are not voting you today Drealmerz. As a vig (assuming you're town rather than SK), you can just shoot whom the thread tells you to shoot.

Math however is right in that Lycan fire's death needs to be resolved and none of the answers are satisfying to us.

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:10 pm

In post 2492, Postie wrote:Wow town is literally eating themselves alive. I'll come back when you're all done and make a case on Gamma.

This post is a self fulfilling prophecy as Gamma is town and that would be shutting off the network. Boo!

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:59 pm

In post 2514, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2436, The DEO wrote:I am used to treestump being alive and can be killed again if they are too chatty.

~~Math

What? Where does that happen? Are players warned that they'll be killed for talking too much? That's nuts.

In f2f games treestumps only can't vote. They can still speak. If a treestump is good scum can kill them in face to face. It is known as "grabbing the shovel" (to dig out the treestump).

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:00 pm

In post 2512, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2511, Klingoncelt wrote:Could he have been a 1-Shot Delayed and was shot twice in the Night - once by Scum, once by the Vig?
NO !

HE HAD A DELAYED DEATH

a delayed death won't stop function if he dies twice! >.>

No clue and with only ways of Drealmerz being scum here I want his head but Titus says that is a no go.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:02 pm

In post 2508, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2198, Titus wrote:
Watch the language. This isn't exactly a hydra. It's a hydra plus.
Plus what?

Not sure how to explain that. That would be Titus's call but the best way I can try to at 1 am is that we are a government agency.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:02 pm

In post 2507, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2195, The DEO wrote:
In post 2179, mhsmith0 wrote:@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.
My gut says I don't like Drealmerz mhsmith0 and JaeReed. Slight tinge of Klingon but that is mainly because they keep trying to forget that this is a hydra.

~~Math
I'm more used to Titus' playstyle.

Doesn't mean you ignore mine. Especially after Shadowrun.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:04 pm

In post 2506, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2194, The DEO wrote:
In post 2190, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2112, The DEO wrote: Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math
Titus is well-known for not busing...
Cherry pick much? I am known for driving greyhound into the dirt.

~~Math
But you said
Titus
was opposed to the Vax lynch.

Is Titus there? I'd like to know why, actually.

I've been getting Scummy vibes from Vax.

I don't get scummy vibes from Vax but I don't get townie ones either.

That is probably best answered by Titus.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:06 pm

In post 2504, Postie wrote:
In post 2503, The DEO wrote:Gamma is town
You keep saying this but you still haven't given me any reason to believe it.

I liked his posting in the hood. Will do better when not sleepy.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:08 pm

In post 2522, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2518, The DEO wrote:No clue and with only ways of Drealmerz being scum here I want his head but Titus says that is a no go.
its simple logic

why dreal is scum if the kill was a day kill?

Because Lycanfire said he wants activating an ability and his delayed death is he can use his ability the night after death. If Lycanfire knew he was dead as the thread implied I do not see a world where he doesn't redirect his topscumread to himself making it all useless. The fact Drealmerz didn't claim redirected here makes a day kill unlikely.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:10 pm

Or at the very least very fishy.

~~Math

Very sleepy will check on this tomorrow.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:23 pm

In post 1581, Lycanfire wrote:
@RC activate my day ability

I suspect he was killed here if he was daykilled.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:25 pm

In post 1543, Lycanfire wrote:votes on d7 thanks

Right before that he said votes on d7 thanks.

So if it was a daykill I would suspect that Lycanfire would have submitted a night action to make all of Drealmerz actions redirect to him. Is it concrete proof? No. But based on how things lined up I suspect this is the case.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:27 pm

In post 2528, Frozen Angel wrote:He had no day ability

Right but his PM said if lynched (which for the moment I am extracting to killed during the day ...I know an assumption makes an ass of me) that that moment is where he submitted the redirect.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:30 pm

Country (Delayed Death): If Tito is killed at night, the country will stay together for the following day phase before collapsing. If lynched you will get one chance to make a night action if you haven't already made one.

So if he was killed at that precise moment he could have sent in his night action.

Then Drealmerz redirected and knows he would cop as taking a shot claims it was on the dead guy.

That is what I think happened if Lycanfire was daykilled.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:31 pm

RC would Lycanfire's delayed death apply if he was dayvigged ? How would it work? This is a hypothetical and I do not expect mod confirmation one way or the other if Lycanfire was dayvigged. I am just asking what would happen should such an event occur?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:32 pm

That is

@mod

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:36 pm

In post 2532, Frozen Angel wrote:huh

so you say he knew he was going to die and he redirected drealm to himself to take the extra bullet?

who killed him during the day though

if that wasn't drealm and drealm really killed him in night we eaither have a day serial killer or mafia can kill during days somehow

pedit :
@RC explain lycan delayed death. What would have happened if something killed him during the day?

That I don't know. But what I do think is that if Lycanfire was daykilled then even if Drealmerz was a town vig who shot Lycanfire he would still be redirected if was Lycanfire to Lycanfire. It is why I asked a billion times. Loud and other similar modifiers should go off if they redirect to the same target.

That is what I am thinking. Or just strip Drealmerz actions away. Yep. Mainly if Lycanfire was daykilled and knew it I heavily suspect Drealmerz because of this.

~~Math

And if it was an NK I suspect Drealmerz because Delayed Death being weird.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:38 pm

In post 2538, Postie wrote:I don't know but any speculation about him being lynched is dumb because he died during the night. He. Was. Nightkilled.

His flip was at day open.

It is inconclusive if he died that night and something stopped delayed death or if he was killed during the day.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:40 pm

The first I am more skeptical of because why would scum kill Lycanfire quickly when I was probably going to tunnel it into oblivion.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:42 pm

In post 2544, Frozen Angel wrote:drealm is just in the middle of this crap I agree

I will read the part of game I didn't and will try to sort him later today

Exactly. Something doesn't make sense.

I am going to bed.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:47 am

@2651 yes I know what we are telling Postie got through. All I will say on that.

@Gamma :/

@FA why do you tell KC she needs to be believable? Coming in and tunneling the shit out of Drealmerz has me paranoid when you say you're the only one who discovered the problem when my tinfoil was literally based on that delayed death issue.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:49 am

In post 2609, Frozen Angel wrote:stop dodging this thread postie

You should answer ASAP to make it look beliveable

Why are you saying someone should make something look believable?

That and you agreeing with me on Drealmerz push has me creeped out. I am not used to people agreeing.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:50 am

So one thing is pretty clear to me one of FA and Drealmerz is probably scum and if FA is then Postie is.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:51 am

And it was Postie not KC sleep deprivation sorry no wonder it didn't make sense.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:52 am

I also don't like how FA tried to take credit for the delayed stealth shit as if it was her idea.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:52 am

Death* wow autocorrect you suck.

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:07 pm

In post 2669, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2664, The DEO wrote:I also don't like how FA tried to take credit for the delayed stealth shit as if it was her idea.

~~Math
and no one else evaluated this before me did they?

you were just pulling up a bunch of crap theories and the last proposed idea was "strongman Vig" like it could make a delayed death stop!

I will take my credit from what I discovered after replacing in! what are you going to do about it?

I was evaluating it by asking about redirection and posting ideas. Saying I wasn't evaluating is garbage.

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 2666, Postie wrote:
In post 2662, The DEO wrote:So one thing is pretty clear to me one of FA and Drealmerz is probably scum and if FA is then Postie is.

~~Math
Both FA and dreal are town and interpreting the "look believable" comment as a scumslip makes very little sense.

I don't think Town has to "look believable".

Raise your hands if you think that is the case because Town cares about lynching scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:09 pm

In post 2671, Postie wrote:Kuroi if you're voting dreal then please explain why scum would claim they'd vig'd the person they'd nightkilled, and why scum would ever kill Lycan of all people.

Titus has the vote today based on us talking or I would be voting Drealmerz or FA.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:36 pm

I don't think that looks like a guilty at all. Consider me unconvinced.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:50 pm

Both prior posts The DEO whoops

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:54 pm

In post 2703, MathBlade wrote:That is why I don't like the Drealmerz slot. If his delayed death had kicked in then I would have likely believed vig but it didn't.

It can't be something that manipulates something on a global scale as our night action worked. So that means it had to hit Lycanfire directly.

Scum did something for the creds and claim vig ??? <<That is a brainstorm. I just don't see why someone would do that to Lycanfire directly.

~~Math

Pedit reading that post

In post 2704, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2702, ɀefiend wrote:@FA, here's my top 3 scumreads in TL;DR form:

DEO -- Big case on Titus explains why, and now she is largely absent. I assume you read it or skimmed it since you mentioned it earlier. Her other half Math seems to be moving from one contrivance to another. I don't buy their story Re: Lycan-"Pants" just based on the defense that "Math wouldn't do that." Now Math has spun theories in an entirely new direction and figuring out what happened to Lycan reads like scum theatre to me (that goes for you too, I think you're overdoing it. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.)

Gamma -- Riding on the coattails nearly the entire game. Lack of formulation of independent stances. Seems to be skating by on a double-voter claim. Also partly gut.

mhsmith -- The way he picked apart my case, only going for points that are literally nonarguable, and suggesting that meta is a good enough reason to hard-town-read DEO, does not sit right with me. I thought he was asking questions because he didn't understand my case but they were actually framed to just hard-defend Titus' actions.

Also this post details why I think mhsmith is a good bet for scum. There is no logical progression seen in his posts that would follow up with that three person lynchpool.

I don't wanna sound like it's so easy to grasp but the three of them as the remaining scumteam actually make a lot of sense to me.
Titus has RL. Never accuse RL of being fake. Sometimes one head in a hydra posts more than another.
I also don't like how you ignore Postie's post of in essence what you are accusing me of if you scumread me.
I am a person who pokes at mechanics. It is what I do. To say I am scummy for playing mafia...Like no.

Again this is attacking a person on VLA/not here and that is the reason. Boooo. I attacked RM but it was because of the quality of posts being different than other V/LAs. In other words that lacks substance.

Mhsmith is the only one that makes sense to me at all in that list and only if he is with Drealmerz and especially if Lycanfire submitted his redirect to himself which makes a lot of sense. Especially if Drealmerz is the NK and was going to somehow passive roleblock someone. If he knew someone was going to kill him and he didn't believe the vig claim and knew he would be mislynched it makes sense for a Lycanfire to redirect a scum powers onto him. Because if positive he would get benefits meant for scum. If negative then he would take the negative things before being lynched.

~~Math

In post 2705, The DEO wrote:Both prior posts The DEO whoops

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:55 pm

Zefiend, do you have an actual question, or are you pissed off that you cannot mislynch us?

mhsmith is the only name on your list I would consider lynching.

The DEO · Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:12 am

The mhsmith comment and the hydraslip quotes were me. I apologize.

~Titus

The DEO · Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:13 am

In post 2713, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2668, Frozen Angel wrote:Your tunnels and slip huntings suck math!

That's why I am working with them.

The DEO · Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:16 am

In post 2709, Creature wrote:Are Gamma and mhsmith doing something towny?

Gamma has been obvious town since the start, plus I refuse to believe my hood has two scum in it.

My townread on Deimos is getting a little stale. I prefer Zefiend or JaeReed.

Do you townread both of those?

~Titus

The DEO · Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:18 pm

In post 2733, Postie wrote:Because he's not scum and at least one of zefiend/Gamma/Vax is.

Have you considered Drealmerz being an SK? His behavior isn't protown, but I have never seen a vig claim be groupscum in years if ever. His replies at the start of this day did not seem like groupscum.

I obviously agree with zefiend being scum.

The DEO · Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:37 pm

Now I know how other people feel.

5 pages 11 o clock at night...Will read tomorrow.

~~Math head

The DEO · Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:14 am

In post 2832, Frozen Angel wrote:I didn't make a case on you. I didn't in any manner insult you in any manner and I really don't want that to happen - sorry if you felt that way but I'm not sure what gave you that impression?

I practically just tried to poke you and you felt - really defensive - about me trying to communicate with you in a REALLY weird way and started telling some really wishy washy things that was obviously dodgy

now take your time and answer the questions I asked again. I will read Strahd tonight when I'm free and will think about the converse we just had then.

This. It feels like you are more concerned about being townread than discussion.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:07 pm

Math bought me drinks.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:51 pm

Enough.

Titus is the one that things Zefiend is scum. I do not.
SS Titus wanted. I wanted RM and Lycanfire.

Titus and I have different personalities and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't.

Titus thinks Drealmerz is town but I don't like the weirdness of the kill and I don't like FA's response.

This entire game is weird to me.

Titus and I are a package deal and I am not a "her".

Our slot is one slot. Not two that you can conveniently pick and choose arguments from.

We do agree we don't like mhsmith'a posts.

Please call the slot a They unless explicitly referring to Titus.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:58 pm

In post 2955, drealmerz7 wrote:omg I hate hydras "we can think whatever want and not be held accountable"

VOTE: the DEO

That is not my point AT ALL.

I am saying that if you think I am scum then either you think Titus is or something is wrong.

I do expect to be held accountable and I welcome it.

What I do not welcome is that you are blantantly scumreading anyone who attacks you. I did the same when starting out and occasionally still do it.

You also have to look at the ramifications of what you are saying.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:01 pm

So go through it. Assume I am scum. What does that mean about Titus? What partners would I have? Post it all here Drealmerz. Post your thoughts. Show everyone what you are thinking.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:03 pm

Stream of consciousness Drealmerz. Go. Just type.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:11 pm

And that is where the issue resides Drealmerz.

A hydra's value isn't where it agrees. Its value is in its differences. Just because we agree on a point doesn't mean that we ignore the differences. We still hunt. Titus was proving a point to me earlier about FA and I need a chance to absorb it. A hydra teaches and learns. I am showing her how I hunt and she does the same with me.

For a post like 2954 I am not trying to wipe any slate clean I am showing you where I stand so you can hunt us. Everyone deserves pressure and pokes. If we only did what we agreed then the odds of us being deceived are higher not less.

We point out flaws in others plans and what they do and say. We grow from that.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:15 pm

In post 2961, drealmerz7 wrote:we can't even criticize your slot without parsing which head we're criticizing

IT'S FUCKED

That isn't it.

With a hydra if you think we are scum you think both myself and Titus are. Yet the only thing you scumread on is the fact we were wrong based on that post. It is why I asked you to think about partners the way you did.

It means either A) we aren't scum (this one) or B) You are so focused on us being a hydra and having hydra dissonance that you aren't actively investigating us or trying to find who we could be with.

The question becomes of whether this is townie anger or whether your unilateral focus is based on scum teaching you conviction is good without showing fake hunting.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:15 pm

In post 2964, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2962, The DEO wrote:Titus was proving a point to me earlier about FA and I need a chance to absorb it.
Out of curiosity, what was the point?

Titus thinks FA is town. I was trying to sort through my feelings on the matter.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:16 pm

What I am teaching hasn't come to fruition.

Drealmerz, your thoughts on FA?

~Titus

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 2941, Titus wrote:God, Drealmerz, you make me want to throw you off a cliff. My tell was wrong. I get it. Give it a rest. Math thinks you're scum for it. I however know you are capable of such ignorant play.

What do you think of my troll vote on FA?

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 2963, drealmerz7 wrote:it's a matter of what you make visible to the rest of us is my issue

do that in your PT, not out in the thread

save what you put in the thread for what you agree on

Hydra dissonance will happen with every hydra.

Titus and I are already two tunnelers. By acknowledging our disagreements we become stronger better players. It seems like you have a problem more with hydra dissonance than our slot. Hydra dissonance is not alignment indicative. What is is the posts within it that are alignment indicative. With hydras it is about content not dissonance.

~~Math

The question becomes do you think Titus and I are trying to solve the game.

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 2963, drealmerz7 wrote:it's a matter of what you make visible to the rest of us is my issue

do that in your PT, not out in the thread

save what you put in the thread for what you agree on

Absolutely not. I am reigning in Math when they go off the deep end but I have had IRL. I am letting them scumhunt while teaching them things.

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:20 pm

In post 2970, JaeReed wrote:Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.

My push on FA will be explained momentarily. Waiting on Drealmerz.

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:23 pm

In post 2973, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2968, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2963, drealmerz7 wrote:save what you put in the thread for what you agree on
This means that less people are going to be pressured and scumhunted. It's less than ideal.
BUT IF IT'S SCUM IT GETS TWICE THE FUCKERY, THAT'S LESS THAN IDEAL OMG

That is why it is about the content not about opinion. I am not saying to drop the scumread. I am saying if you believe we are scum then what have we done that is scummy. What have we done to manipulate people? What have we done that is scummy.

Again your arguments are about hydras in general. Not about whether we care to solve this game.

So I ask again: Think about if we are scum who with? Test your theory. What does it mean for the game as a whole?

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:24 pm

In post 2976, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2965, The DEO wrote:The question becomes of whether this is townie anger or whether your unilateral focus is based on scum teaching you conviction is good without showing fake hunting.
drealmerz got mislynched in another game where I was scum a hydra and people were townreading my slot for dissonance. I watched the frustration with hydra dissonance grow in that game. I believe this is genuine.

I agree. That's why as juvenile as Drealmerz is being, we are not voting him.

~Titus

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:26 pm

In post 2979, The DEO wrote:
In post 2976, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2965, The DEO wrote:The question becomes of whether this is townie anger or whether your unilateral focus is based on scum teaching you conviction is good without showing fake hunting.
drealmerz got mislynched in another game where I was scum a hydra and people were townreading my slot for dissonance. I watched the frustration with hydra dissonance grow in that game. I believe this is genuine.
I agree. That's why as juvenile as Drealmerz is being, we are not voting him.

~Titus

Juvenile is a harsh word Titus. I don't think Drealmerz is. I think it is either a genuine frustration because we are a hydra or because he has been taught conviction is townie.

I want to see him confront the fact he has to bring content to his scumread of us but in no way is it Juvenile.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:27 pm

In post 2980, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2975, The DEO wrote:
In post 2970, JaeReed wrote:Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.
My push on FA will be explained momentarily. Waiting on Drealmerz.
Is the scumread on zefiend still there? Can you walk me through that one? If you're not still scumreading him there's no need.

Yes but no one seems to be joining, so Math and I have decided to go through the PoE route.

We have Postie and Gamma as lock town, do not need consultation there.

~Titus

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:29 pm

In post 2981, drealmerz7 wrote:I already did that a bit - what it means for the game if you're scum

I went through the D1 and D2 lynches and said about the hood maybe being scumchat

what else are you looking for?

That is a hypothesis.

Back that up. Make an argument with content and posts.

If that hood with Gamma you believe to be a scumchat then keep in mind Gamma,myself,Titus, and at least one if not two people would have to be okay with that.

I think it is more you want us to be scum for being a hydra and wrong versus actually having that belief or you just aren't hunting. You have made a theory.

Now you have to dig deeper and see if it is genuine.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:31 pm

In post 2982, The DEO wrote:
In post 2979, The DEO wrote:
In post 2976, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2965, The DEO wrote:The question becomes of whether this is townie anger or whether your unilateral focus is based on scum teaching you conviction is good without showing fake hunting.
drealmerz got mislynched in another game where I was scum a hydra and people were townreading my slot for dissonance. I watched the frustration with hydra dissonance grow in that game. I believe this is genuine.
I agree. That's why as juvenile as Drealmerz is being, we are not voting him.

~Titus
Juvenile is a harsh word Titus. I don't think Drealmerz is. I think it is either a genuine frustration because we are a hydra or because he has been taught conviction is townie.

I want to see him confront the fact he has to bring content to his scumread of us but in no way is it Juvenile.

~~Math

He can provide spam, but that is all he will do. He retaliated the moment I voted FA with zero thoughts on why I did or thoughts on FA, which I asked for multiple times.

All he is doing is whining, and that by definition is juvenile. If being harsh lets him know this, good. Being nice has not.

~Titus

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:34 pm

In post 2989, drealmerz7 wrote:titus: "I'm bullying him and he's not responding how I want!"

Number one: I am a them. The slot is a them. Please do not use He.

Number two: I am giving you a platform to make a "The DEO" is scum case. How am I bullying you for displaying what I think? I don't see you analyzing your thoughts or trying to solve the game. I am asking you to prove me wrong by making a case.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:38 pm

In post 2994, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2993, The DEO wrote:
In post 2989, drealmerz7 wrote:titus: "I'm bullying him and he's not responding how I want!"
Number one: I am a them. The slot is a them. Please do not use He.

Number two: I am giving you a platform to make a "The DEO" is scum case. How am I bullying you for displaying what I think? I don't see you analyzing your thoughts or trying to solve the game. I am asking you to prove me wrong by making a case.

~~Math
number one: learn to read

when someone uses "titus:" it means they're BEING THAT PERSON

I was quoting titus talking to me

In post 2992, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2983, The DEO wrote:
In post 2980, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2975, The DEO wrote:
In post 2970, JaeReed wrote:Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.
My push on FA will be explained momentarily. Waiting on Drealmerz.
Is the scumread on zefiend still there? Can you walk me through that one? If you're not still scumreading him there's no need.
Yes but no one seems to be joining, so Math and I have decided to go through the PoE route.

We have Postie and Gamma as lock town, do not need consultation there.

~Titus
If you're willing to look elsewhere, could you please take another look at my Vedith/Vaxkiller points? I'd especially appreciate your insight on the fact that Vedith stayed off the main lynch wagons D1 while Lycanfire voted him almost all day, then parked on Lycanfire almost (maybe completely?) all of D2. It's reminding me of Raskolnikov in my mini normal and mhsmith0's analysis of Rask there.

My look elsewhere is mhsmith. Mhsmith pings me to no end.

Pedit: Drealmerz I misread a pronoun sorry. Are you doing to make a case of why we're scum or only just scream? The latter does not help Town. The first will help you see you are wrong. Show it don't say it.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:45 pm

In post 2179, mhsmith0 wrote:@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.

Mhsmith pings me for stuff like this because he kept trying to dissuade me from his Lycanfire's redirect being used. It makes me think he had inside knowledge with you that you were. It gave me a creepy he knows something vibe. Combined with that and you claiming vig it gives me weird "feels".

That is an example Drealmerz.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:49 pm

In post 3000, drealmerz7 wrote:titus/MB, part of playing mafia is letting things play

if I have a case on you I want to push, you'll fucking know it, right? you don't have to keep asking "what's your case what's your case?!?!"

it's annoying

if you can't follow why I think you're scum you need to get more with it

If you can't articulate why then I will scumread you for it. Imagine if I went "RadiantCowbells is scum!!!!!" and did not cite a single post. They did nothing to stop the mislynch. But yet I have not voted RadiantCowbells.

You need a reason. Otherwise you have a desire not a scumread and then I have to hunt that desire.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:55 pm

In post 3007, drealmerz7 wrote:FUCK OFF WITH THAT SCUMSHIT

"if you can't do it I will scumread you for it" THAT IS FUCKING SCUM RIGHT THERE

I CAN FUCKING DO IT, I'M JUST NOT DOING IT AT YOUR DEMAND, GET IT!?!?!??!?!?!

I've DONE it, fuck!!!!

if you can't follow, that is YOUR PROBLEM

I don't see where you have done it.

And it is town's problem because I am Town and want to sort you and Town should want to know if I am scum.

So if all you are doing is spamming I am scum every three posts then yes we have a problem because there is no discussion. No way for people to agree with you.

I am horrible at explaining why I believe things but I have learned what not to do well. This is one thing I have learned. Passion with reason is good. Reasons without conviction or conviction without reasons is bad.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 3013, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3001, The DEO wrote:
In post 2179, mhsmith0 wrote:@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.
Mhsmith pings me for stuff like this because he kept trying to dissuade me from his Lycanfire's redirect being used. It makes me think he had inside knowledge with you that you were. It gave me a creepy he knows something vibe. Combined with that and you claiming vig it gives me weird "feels".

That is an example Drealmerz.

~~Math
Is it possible that this just stems from smith and drealmerz being in a hood together and therefore communicating there?

That is possible but I feel it is unlikely because of the fact that he then wouldn't be just skeptical he would be almost certain. The way mhsmith phrases it makes it seem like there is room for doubt.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 3017, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3012, drealmerz7 wrote:and that's not condescension, JR?

that shit does NOT make me want to engage them

"I know better and I'm going to teach you a lesson" it's fucking arrogant bullshit that I don't need
This is not what they are trying to do. I'm sorry that you feel that way.

I believe MathBlade comes from a place of being misunderstood a lot and so is trying to clear up what they feel could be either a communication issue or scum without reasons to push.

Exactly how I feel.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:10 pm

In post 3023, drealmerz7 wrote:thanks JR, I just did a quick breathing exercise

The DEO, do you follow my suspicion on you after the D1 flip?

I do not. The only thing I see you saying is because SS flipped Town we are scum. I do not see how a suspicion follows from that. It feels like you are saying we are scum because we were incorrect. Which no one has a perfect game almost ever. Unless you are Transcend. Then you just vig every scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:16 pm

In post 1852, drealmerz7 wrote:LOOK, I'm done figuring out everyone's cases for them when I see a vote

deimos was scum? fine, I'm not making this post to agree or disagree, I'm making this post to tell you need to elaborate YOUR VIEW

so I can see it for sure instead of just be like "well if they think deimos was scum then this must be why because obviously he sucked in the couple posts he made"

BUT YOU NEED TO SHOW ME HOW YOUR BRAIN WORKED TO GET THE VIEW

This is what I need.

All I see is caps lock.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:19 pm

In post 1780, drealmerz7 wrote:your play is definitely vastly different yepyep

and you are one of my townier reads here, no doubt!

it's like:

town
GE
The DEO

townlean
you

everyone else less townlean or more null->scumleans or pure scum (lycan)

This was at the end of D1.

Most reads are absent a common scum tell but you have us as Town.

Then when the flip came you started after me and Kuroi.

Why? I don't see it. Explain it and your other reads. I have no clue on where you stand on anything.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:22 pm

In post 3027, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3018, The DEO wrote:
In post 3013, JaeReed wrote:Is it possible that this just stems from smith and drealmerz being in a hood together and therefore communicating there?
That is possible but I feel it is unlikely because of the fact that he then wouldn't be just skeptical he would be almost certain. The way mhsmith phrases it makes it seem like there is room for doubt.

~~Math
I believe that would be because there is some room for doubt. He might be fairly certain from the hood that drealmerz is town and therefore wasn't redirected, but he can't know that for certain if he's town. If anything, I believe the fact that there's room for doubt points more to mhsmith not being scummy for that (note that I'm not necessarily saying he's town for it, just that it's a null point to me). Does that make sense?

I don't see it that way. In a hood with a townread I would collaborate.
In such if a redirection flipped my first thought would be "I wasn't redirected into the hood."
If his first thought was to claim vig here where is that surity of him sayinf he wasn't redirected in the hood after me asking several times? I feel he would have had more conviction. I don't like how mhsmith threw shade on it the instant I suggested it.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 3033, drealmerz7 wrote:yes, TRing you at the EoD1 because I thought we were seeing the same thing and working well together to lynch scum in SS/KTS - it felt good - and then the flip came

my scumread of you came and went quickly AT THE TIME, but it's still something I can reference back to to having scumpings from you

it's like you're saying that because I didn't establish my SR on you as early as possible that it's invalid now, that's crazy

I don't see where you had any pings on us D1. Please correct where you did and why.

I am saying that I don't see where you went from top town to topscum and which posts made you think that.

I don't see hunting.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:02 pm

In post 3049, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3045, mhsmith0 wrote:PS lycan redirecting dreal onto himself (as opposed to, say, back onto dreal) seems especially ridiculous. A redirect can be a fun way to get scum to target themselves with a night kill or other action; lycan redirecting anyone to target lycan makes MUCH less sense than lycan redirecting someone to literally anyone other than lycan (which agian makes rather little sense in the situation)
I don't believe it's so ridiculous in this context.

Lycan thought he was going to be pushed to be the next mislynch. Given his ability should have had him live for this day phase, he could have redirected his scumread drealmerz onto himself in order to both prove that he's town, and prove drealmerz was scum through his death after redirecting drealmerz to him. He did clearly say something about us not taking him alive, didn't he?

In that case we still circle back to what FA was saying though. Something also vanillaized him for the kill to not be delayed.

In that case it's 3 scenarios:
1) Scum!drealmerz was meant to kill elsewhere while a buddy vanillaized Lycan and got kill redirected onto Lycan
2) Scum!drealmerz is also a vanillaizer and meant to kill/vanillaize either Lycan or elsewhere and got redirected onto Lycan
2) Town!drealmerz meant to kill Lycan with a vig shot and scum vanillaized Lycan so the delayed death wouldn't cause issues with their next likely mislynch

And I struggle that scum would do something to a mislynch candidate.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:09 pm

The only part of 1) that is far fetched is scum intentionally vanillizing Lycan.

What I find more likely is Drealmerz is scum or is omitting details about their kill at the very least and meant to kill someone else and redirected to Lycanfire and claimed vig for creds. I am pretty damn sure fhe other reasons would require someone tunneling their target hard if they roleblocked or jailkept. BP or Doc would require a lot of luck.

I don't believe in good or bad luck.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:37 pm

In post 3065, KuroiXHF wrote:Ah, I see. Sorry if I came across as reactive.

But anyways, I am playing the game. I am interacting. To be honest, I feel I'm doing a lot more than you are. I find you to simply be commanding rather than interacting.

This. It is why I townread Kuroi.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:56 pm

Words words words...Don't like Vax lynch. More words words.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:12 pm

In post 2651, Vaxkiller wrote:Here is what I had on the PT's for wahtever good it is.

Gamma/Postie PT
Gamma/DEO PT

Postie seems suspicious of Gamma. Posts 1834 2103 2109 2123

DEO trusts gamma and is trying to pass information to postie through him -Posts 2126 2127

Is the information not arriving? Because postie seems to be indicating that gamma is not being helpful at all. @Postie is gamma not answering specific questions, is he just being silent or what? Some context would be great.

Gamma are you not talking with postie because you think he is scum? Reading through your iso I see that you pushed him early on in post 159, but then defended him in 435, so I'm not sure what your current thoughts on postie are at the moment, because those are quite old. You seem to think DEO is town in this post here 1963

Postie seems to trust DEO post 2134 but is slightly paranoid of him in an earlier post 1950.
Deo seems to trust postie in posts 1345 and 2090 and is requesting in this thread to talk privately through the PT's - see post 1826

So what the fuck does all this shit mean?

I keep running all these scenarios through my head:

town!postie scum!gamma town!DEO The gamma scum scenario is the most likely. Gamma seems to be getting along with DEO but not postie. I can't find any of gammas thoughts on postie, only postie thoughts on gamma. This appears to be the breakdown in communication. I am biased however, I think my outside opinion (of this topic) of gamma is leaking in.
town!postie town!gamma scum!DEO This is possible, DEO seems to really want to get information to postie, but postie doesn't trust gamma. This could be town or scum motivated tho
scum!postie town!gamma town!DEO I'm town reading postie and this (while possible) seems highly unlikely.
scum!postie scum!gamma town!DEO Very unlikely. Postie is suspicious about gamma not being cooperative in chat.
town!postie scum!gamma scum!DEO Possible, but unlikely.

scum!postie scum!gamma scum!DEO
I can't conceive this possibility.
town!postie town!gamma town!DEO Maybe.

I don't see scum posting thoughts like this one almost ever.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 3156, JaeReed wrote:So you'd prefer zefiend? Or is that only Titus?

That is Titus. I don't see the zeFiend scumread. One we agree on is mhsmith0 but I promised her she'd have control over our slot's vote after Lycanfire flipped town.

I gotta go but I don't think Vax is scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:07 am

What is an "element" Vaxkiller?

I think apathy has crawled into the game as a whole and scum picked a person.

I always prefer no lynch to lynching a townread. IIoA sucks. But Titus is in control of the vote and may not feel the same way.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:19 am

In post 3166, Frozen Angel wrote:ohhh that was another role of dota mafia - a one that is not yest published - not sure If I show that role to RC though.

guess it was played before on ms.

@math guess he can counts the amount of active/passive abilities in role pms.

I asked that to Vaxkiller for a reason. Please have Vax answer.

I am very sketchy about the claim. I want Vax's answer not yours.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:21 am

In post 3167, mhsmith0 wrote:also vax, what in particular made you investigate lycan last night?

This. Especially when he was someone scum could have easily mislynched.

You aren't trying to play to the site meta of never lynch the cop are you?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:26 am

Except he's claiming role cop. His sole function is likely to detect us. I would stop commenting on this until we can sync up.

~Titus

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:36 am

VOTE: Unvote

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:37 am

In post 3171, mhsmith0 wrote:@DEO: He's actually claiming a super weak version of role cop, which is WAY different than actual alignment cop (regardless of site meta, I'd be in the camp of "don't lynch the claimed alignment cop way before LYLO if that was the actual claim, but clearly it isn't).

Still want my two questions to him answered though. Both seem super straightforward and easy if he is what he claims to be.

I want my questions too.

Like I said I am sketched out about it.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:42 am

VOTE: Vaxkiller

For Titus. She said if certain things happened vote Vax. She is in court so I am.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:42 am

Zefiend care to explain why you don't like it?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am

Should have been L-1 by my count?

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am

Zefiend unvoted?

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:47 am

Damn it sorry. I misunderstood zefiend'S vote as an unvote.

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:47 am

(All prior posts are Math)

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:50 am

Kuroi why did you not call out L-1?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:59 am

In post 3188, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 3187, The DEO wrote:Kuroi why did you not call out L-1?

~~Math
You thought I claimed at L2?

I have never played with you and have seen newbscum claim cop at L-2.
So yeah I did.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:00 am

In post 3189, mhsmith0 wrote:btw, does anyone who knows math know whether derp-hammering like that is at all AI for them? Like, is this something she does as either alingment normally, neither alignment normally, etc.? It seems kind of odd that they'd throw down a vote near majority without double-checking the votes, but idk if that's just a sloppy playstyle kind of thing and I shouldn't read into it.

I do advanced math. I suck at simple math.
Think Clue the movie.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:05 am

Fyi Titus and I are in agreement mhsmith and zefiend are scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:12 am

In post 3196, Vaxkiller wrote:Wow you agree on something AFTER im lynched. Thanks.

BTW, what was it that came to light that made you vote for me?

In post 3175, The DEO wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller

For Titus. She said if certain things happened vote Vax. She is in court so I am.

~~Math

Titus said to wait and see if Zefiend interacted with your wagon. I did.

She said if zefiend was scum he would avoid your wagon like the plague. I thought he was Town and so when I thought he unvoted I voted you. I think zefiend is scum for the bait and switch.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:13 am

In post 3197, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3194, The DEO wrote:Fyi Titus and I are in agreement mhsmith and zefiend are scum.

~~Math
Remind me why for each of us?

Yours is more of a icky feeling. Each time I read your posts I feel like there is a residue on them. I can't really explain in the short amount of time I have.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:04 pm

In post 3230, drealmerz7 wrote:nah, it wasn't me postie

I didn't actually have a kill use on N3

O really? So when do you have kills?

~Titus

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:06 pm

I am a little surprised. Glad z is getting some love.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:38 pm

We like ponies.

Changing your car insurance to Geico can save you 15 percent or more.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:38 pm

On a more serious note, I would like to know, so we can engage in optimal leashing play.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:41 pm

Well then I guess we are lynching you as an SK.

Seems more likely you tried to shoot Postie or some other obvtown.

Zef and mhsmith are where I want to rope but I want a plan for dealing with Drealmerz. Dude is a loose cannon at best.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:49 pm

In post 3251, Postie wrote:
In post 3249, The DEO wrote:Dude is a loose cannon at best.
I mean I agree but I don't think he's scum at all (in fact, I'm pretty certain of it), and when he claimed his shot it sounded like he was claiming 1-shot so I think we're fine keeping him around?

If he was, he'd be frank about it. At least I would hope. All it does is fit him for the noose to protect our lead otherwise.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:06 pm

Well you said never leash, so there is nothing to talk about. Math thinks you're scum. I think you're a liability. I am offering you a chance not to be. You refuse.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:10 pm

Just how am I a bigger liability than a slot that professes it wants to kill obvious town, and may have tried to do so? When pressured for an explanation for the missing kill, it's suddenly you cannot shoot.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:14 pm

Hey, that thing where no one can see scuminess from us. That is the very definition of obvious town.

I want you to clarify when you can shoot. Now.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:16 pm

VOTE: Drealmerz

This has to die today. I hold no illusions of Drealmerz being group scum, but I cannot protect town with Drealmerz and scum shooting at town.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:22 pm

I hate advocating to policy lynch you Drealmerz, especially when I doubt you're group scum as I like to think any newbie is redeemable. Yet, you are refusing to work with town. So death it is.

Pedit, The group is pretty clear mhsmith or zefiend.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:25 pm

You're new to this site. If I went to yours, you'd have every right to tell me how things worked. I could bitch about site meta, but go along.

Here, the site meta is leash or lynch if a vig proves itself to be a liability.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:27 pm

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have dinner reservations and I need to find out if our Pony arrived.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:30 pm

In post 3276, JaeReed wrote:I don't have the patience to deal with this again, drealmerz, I really don't. I have few reads I have absolute confidence in and if you shoot in them I'm going to be extremely pissed because it's autowin otherwise the way I see it.

Either play like the town vig and don't shoot obvtown, or be lynched because you want to play the equivalent of a serial killer shooting at random. At this stage it is incredibly anti-town to shoot in the townblock.

Please tell him the names of the block.

~Titus

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:32 pm

In post 3279, drealmerz7 wrote:oh, and by the way

TOWNBLOCKS ARE FUCKING STUPID

just like THREAD-MASONS

I win with townblocks quite well, regardless of my alignment. Mafia is a team game.

Town as a whole versus scum.

Townblocks and in thread masons make things more obvious.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:37 pm

Titus may think Drealmerz is policy I think Drealmerz is just scum here. I don't see scum picking the same target twice. Notice that was Drealmerz first instinct so he wasn't blocked.

I think mhsmith and Drealmerz are both just scum here.

If Drealmerz wasn't blocked that means either he shot someone who scum shot or the target was BP/healed or he is just scum claiming vig. Once maybe but twice...Drealmerz needs rope.

~~Math

All prior unsigned posts are Titus.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:40 pm

Calling all DEO agents. Please verify your broncos are in good condition this winter. We need reliable transportation to deliver scum to their lynching place.

**This has been an informal announcement to all DEO agents and please verify all communications are going smoothly Agent Danvers**

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:41 pm

In post 3307, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3305, The DEO wrote:If Drealmerz wasn't blocked that means either he shot someone who scum shot or the target was BP/healed or he is just scum claiming vig. Once maybe but twice...Drealmerz needs rope.
Drealmerz claims to have not had a shot last night to use.

....Riiiight. I completely believe that. /sarcasm

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 3309, Alisae wrote:I mean, you must have A LOT of trust in Postie's judgment if you feel that way.

I can't speak for anyone else but I have a lot of trust in Postie. <3

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:51 pm

In post 3314, drealmerz7 wrote:WHAT

THE

FUCK

The DEO REFUSES to even consider anything I say as possible

how am I not supposed to want to shoot that?

Just because I scumread you doesn't make us a good vig target.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:51 pm

In post 3315, drealmerz7 wrote:DEO, you think the PT smith and I have is just our scumchat then?

Yes.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:47 pm

In post 3325, Frozen Angel wrote:Looking at Vax powers

I HAVE THIS GAME IN MY BAG

I'm going to reread deo iso

Yeah so Mafia would be hunting us.

~~Math

Check your mail FA.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:48 pm

In post 3326, JaeReed wrote:
In post 3320, Alisae wrote:That either you're probably scum trying to blend in with what's going on or you're town that just trust their townreads.
Might be another option but those are the current two that are in my silly head atm.
Ok, so you're positing I'm scum with Vaxkiller?

I highly doubt JaeReed is scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 3331, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm practically obvtown after that lynch

I compromised that vanalizer when he wasn't even in danger of getting lynched

Duh. Government offices will take over the city block.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:59 pm

In post 3334, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 3333, The DEO wrote:
In post 3331, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm practically obvtown after that lynch

I compromised that vanalizer when he wasn't even in danger of getting lynched
Duh. Government offices will take over the city block.

~~Math
I still doubt that "I miscounted the votes" thing. how did you assumed zefind was voting vax before that when your point was "why he is not going to vote vax? "?

Mainly it was the vote switch and getting off on my notes. I just fucked up. Titus said to if zefiend wouldn't vote Vax Vax was scum. Saw a vote switch so I just crossed the wires.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:04 pm

I am not being manipulative. I am only telling the truth.

~~Math

The flip and talking with Titus and playing with a flute convinced me otherwise.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:05 pm

Overnight I got very musically inclined. A boost to my flute skills. The symphony was lovely.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:10 pm

In post 3342, Alisae wrote:Math play me a song.

I play for a select audience and only at night. Day concerts aren't a thing.

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:12 pm

It was a rare night I was chosen. Think about a major complication of sounds. Harmony was achieved for a few glorious hours.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:15 pm

Compilation *

Autocorrect still sucks.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:31 pm

Going to bed. Lovely music can be tiring.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:57 pm

Meh best not to assume. I have games where I do and games where I don't. If you are interested I can share them. When I am scum it really just depends on what I think will win.

Can't sleep....Want to but can't

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:58 pm

^^ This is referring to bussing.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:13 pm

Oh yeah Titus bussing is once in a blue moon.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:55 am

Both. I think Math pushed it first. I joined. They waivered. I pushed anyway.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:58 am

So Drealmerz, can you give your word you are not shooting town?

~Titus

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:03 am

If you agree to shoot KC, I will unvote you.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:31 am

I do not. Your suspicion seems to be based solely on the fact I suspect you. It reeks of self preservation.

Postie who do you think is scum? I heard Express is a clothing store good at stealing rich people's money and it donates to charity.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:10 pm

In post 3230, drealmerz7 wrote:nah, it wasn't me postie

I didn't actually have a kill use on N3

I have no reason to fear death. I just think you are scum and not a town vig. Too few kills.

I think you did shoot. Gut.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:12 pm

In post 3368, drealmerz7 wrote:ummm, no, it has nothing to do with you "suspecting" me, it has to do with me feeling like it's very possible had an agenda on me since the beginning - threadmasons through to the re-invigorated SS wagon to my lycan kill and where you went with that (off the deepend trying to implicate me in a bad way), and here we are now, I still feel like youre pushing pushing pushing trying to do everything you can to get ppl to view me as scum, when I'm not sure why you even do

and now YOUR behavior seems to ME like self-preservation, you're afraid to be shot by me

What is also telling is there is a good way to implicate you.

Meaning you are scum.

~~Math

Just becomes a matter of if with zefiend or mhsmith.

I suspect the latter.

(Note Titus doesn't think Drealmerz is group scum. I think Drealmerz is group scum or 3P)

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:13 pm

In post 3370, drealmerz7 wrote:does me being a free-vig make sense with what else you know about the setup? (instead of some stipulative-vig?)

You being a free vig means you would have a kill on N3. You said you didn't. So you can't be a free vig. I know about my role in the setup and a free vig makes more sense than a conditional one. I think you should Kuroi to try to frame JaeReed.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:15 pm

In post 2500, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 2499, JaeReed wrote:Day 4. Why aren't you keen on his wagon if he's the stronger scumread?
Sorry, Day Four.
And fine, I'll give you that.

If I die Night Three, I want JaeReed on a fryer.

And Vax is scummier than the other two wagons (myself and Zefiend), but Vax strikes me as scum lean at worst. Right now, he's actually closer to null. I slightly town read Zefiend and I strongly town read myself.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 3373, drealmerz7 wrote:EXACTLY MY POINT

I was arguing that I was a free-vig, I was trying to make you rub 2 sticks together to realize that it makes sense that I'm NOT A FREE VIG

geebus

My point is a free vig makes more sense than a conditional.
I just think you are lying scum trying to frame JaeReed.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:17 pm

An SK or you being scum makes more sense than a free vig which makes more sense than a conditional.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:19 pm

In post 2487, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 2486, drealmerz7 wrote:(
my
game is all nothing...ohmy...kuroi...you funny)
My scum read of you actually has no bearing on how you read me. And for the record, screaming and shouting is not substance; it is quite actually a higher volume of a lack of substance.

Kuroi scumread you as well.

I cannot say without being antitown but a conditional vig doesn't make sense to me.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:21 pm

But if you are conditional why don't you just say what your conditions are?

~~Math

Pedit:No actually. That is not why. A key person knows why. I am just not anxious to share why with a scumread.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:24 pm

In post 3383, mhsmith0 wrote:Can the two of you talk about stuff other than each other? I think you're both town, I think there's pretty decent odds that we're down to the last scum, and I don't really see the need for this to go another copule pages.

No. One possibility is that you are scum with Drealmerz that I have in my head. I will scumhunt.

Why do you think Drealmerz is town?

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:26 pm

Furthermore I am trying to see if JaeReed is scum and one of my reads is off. Either way Kuroi's death needs to be investigated.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:28 pm

In post 3382, The DEO wrote:But if you are conditional why don't you just say what your conditions are?

~~Math

Pedit:No actually. That is not why. A key person knows why. I am just not anxious to share why with a scumread.

This way we can be prepared for two kills on that given night.

Unless of course you know you aren't a conditional vig and are just scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:30 pm

In post 3387, Alisae wrote:
In post 3383, mhsmith0 wrote:I think there's pretty decent odds that we're down to the last scum
Huh?

The setup says three scum + SK
OR three scum + town
OR three scum + scum

He is saying he believes RM was scum and Vax is conf scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:31 pm

1) The setup is confirmed as having 11 Town-Aligned players and 3 Scum-Aligned players. The 15th player's alignment may be {Town, Scum, Serial Killer}. Traitors and similar count as scum.

From the rules

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:39 pm

In post 3390, drealmerz7 wrote:why would I share my conditions? that would just help scum plan for them, I already fucking telegraphed my 1st kill and it caused a fuck-storm because scum was aware

in what world should I feel comfortable telling more? the only reason I can think that you'd want to know is if you're scum trying to plan

otherwise, just let me fucking do my thing, K?

it's also conditional because I'm not just vig...

smith, there's either 2 groupscum left or 1GS+3p

Sharing your conditions and your kill helps Town plan as well.
For example if there is a doctor/vest giver/commuter/whatever and you say that you are going to shoot someone who they have mod confirmed as Town they can save them.

Why would I "just let you do your thing" when I scumread you?

In other words I don't trust you to shoot scum. I think you are not Town.

Now that you are outed the right thing to do is coordinate with your townreads on who should be shot should your conditions trigger. Your vig then turns into another lynch.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:40 pm

However I don't think you have a vig.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:43 pm

In post 3392, mhsmith0 wrote:I think sk is super unlikely given one death per night.

I think rm was scum given Lucan vanillaize and scum shot (why would scum vanilkaize him if they didn't shoot?)

I don't scum read drealz and don't think he shot kuroi last night.

In order to set him up for mislynch because I was going to tunnel Lycanfire. No reason for scum to shoot what I would tunnel would be the answer to your question.

However I strongly believe that the scum kill was Lycan and only one kill done by Drealmerz.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:44 pm

In post 3393, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3391, Alisae wrote:Eh, just seemed like an awkward line but ok.
It's like he didn't consider the possibility of there being 2 scum.
Town flipped power so far has been pretty shit for 11v4, especially given scum vanillaizer and presumed self janitor. MAYBE there's a traitor out there I guess but full 11v4 means bad balance or strong town power still out there.

... This is dumb and hunts for people to claim if they think they are a strong PR or not.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:45 pm

In post 3397, mhsmith0 wrote:I mean, I guess you can argue rn/boring was sk instead of groupscum I guess *shrugs*

Or four scum. And you don't consider this because?

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:49 pm

Reads. Now.

The only reason Drealmerz has my vote is because he cannot respect town blocks or town plans. Town can leash a vig and get two lynches per day.

Btw Drealmerz, we have to look at RM both ways.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:49 pm

In post 3400, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3396, The DEO wrote:In order to set him up for mislynch because I was going to tunnel Lycanfire. No reason for scum to shoot what I would tunnel would be the answer to your question.
Why would scum bother to vanillaize if not to shoot? The one day conftown tree stump is WAY better of a death power than the redirect bit.

Because A) Drealmerz advertised the kill. No reason to kill twice.
B) It said vanillize not treestump. Scum would have no way of knowing Lycanfire would live beyond Drealmerz's suggested kill unless scum already have Lycanfire's info.

Tell me: Do you claim scum role cop?

VOTE: Mhsmith0

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:50 pm

^^Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:54 pm

Yes...Delayed Death which means anything ubder the sun from like one post after death to doing an action after death.

The only way scum would know Lycanfire would treestump is if they had that info.

Do you claim scum rolecop?

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:56 pm

In post 3407, drealmerz7 wrote:ok

fuck

I'm a 3x vig, but I'm only allowed to make 2 kills and I can only kill on even Nights - I have used 1shot, and made 1kill (confirmed by mod that I have only 1 kill remaining), meaning if I make a 2ndshot and succeed in the kill, I don't get a 3rd shot

I'm also D2 lynchproof

I'm Harry Houdini

Okay then who are your townreads? Work with them to determine who the kill should be. Obviously you won't take my input because you think I am scum but you should listen to your town reads.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:59 pm

In post 3410, Alisae wrote:Yep, an illusionist is a vig...that makes perfect sense...

Sometimes flavor is not alignment indicative.

However in this case the only can kill twice generally indicates where magicians fake killing people.

~~Math

I think the flavor claim with the conditions makes sense for Town. However it is not a true "conditional" vig. It is a free even night vig. Which makes more sense.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:01 pm

In post 3412, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3409, The DEO wrote:Yes...Delayed Death which means anything ubder the sun from like one post after death to doing an action after death.

The only way scum would know Lycanfire would treestump is if they had that info.

Do you claim scum rolecop?

~~Math

I will claim a TOWN role cop action on lycan n2 tho. I was given a power boost n2 (and I know exactly who boosted me btw) and I turned into a role cop for the night.

Now would you like to guess how I knew drealz went nowhere last night or must i spell it out further?

Going to dinner now btw, will check in later.

VOTE: Unvote

I want to talk to Titus head.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:04 pm

In post 3414, The DEO wrote:
In post 3412, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3409, The DEO wrote:Yes...Delayed Death which means anything ubder the sun from like one post after death to doing an action after death.

The only way scum would know Lycanfire would treestump is if they had that info.

Do you claim scum rolecop?

~~Math

I will claim a TOWN role cop action on lycan n2 tho. I was given a power boost n2 (and I know exactly who boosted me btw) and I turned into a role cop for the night.

Now would you like to guess how I knew drealz went nowhere last night or must i spell it out further?

Going to dinner now btw, will check in later.
VOTE: Unvote

I want to talk to Titus head.

~~Math

I concur. I think we know what we need to sort.

Btw, thank you Drealmerz. With your information, we may blow this wide open.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:13 pm

Who you should shoot should become apparent Drealmerz...give me 48 hours unless we get mass lurking

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:13 pm

I has counting issues.

1!=2

~~Math

Help me fix this Supergirl.

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:04 pm

I am lonely. Can I get a post card?

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:01 pm

In post 3440, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 3438, Alisae wrote:btw FA you wanna see something cool?
sure!

BTW I sent an email last night How can I make sure its delivered and they saw it?

I check my email frequently. Maybe check your mail provider? Maybe there's an unplanned outage?

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:06 pm

The DEO responded to emails as they come in. We don't like to have stuff sit.

Sometimes things get lost in government bureaucracy. I don't know what to tell you except ask your email provider. It's hard to do tech support while playing mafia.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:08 pm

Last night if it helps my Bronco made a post run.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:08 pm

In post 3450, drealmerz7 wrote:any of you know the movie "brazil" ?

Nope...What's that about and why is it relevant?

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:10 pm

^^ Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:17 pm

In post 3455, Frozen Angel wrote:math I'm checking with my provider. Maybe there is a connection issue. They are checking this with your mail service provider.

Most messages have been about clothes...Bronco mail has been very quiet.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:20 pm

In post 3459, Frozen Angel wrote:No message about the chains?!

Bronco response was dispatched at approximately 1PM PST today.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Like 9 ish hours ago if you suck at clock math.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:38 pm

In post 3463, Frozen Angel wrote:Math I didn'r receive your response to my questions about chains and I fully trust my email provider

go check yours

Already did...Mail sent timestamped approximately 1pm.

Since copy pasting mail is a federal offense I shall paraphrase:

Tell Bronco that connecting neighbors like this is an efficient way to communicate without scum knowing. I used it rather effectively in a S. Mafia (where S is a video game) Basically the villagers can work together to catch people who don't belong.

Written by Not Math Head about 10 minutes before 1 PM

Post follows at 1 PM approximately

Message Sent.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:46 pm

In post 3466, Frozen Angel wrote:yeah that was the case ^

anyway I wanted to make sure that you had no access to my mailbox to do my interogation from postie in a safe room, which was successful

....I don't have access to other people's mailboxes. I believe in true love. That requires trust.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:48 pm

In post 3412, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 3409, The DEO wrote:Yes...Delayed Death which means anything ubder the sun from like one post after death to doing an action after death.

The only way scum would know Lycanfire would treestump is if they had that info.

Do you claim scum rolecop?

~~Math

I will claim a TOWN role cop action on lycan n2 tho. I was given a power boost n2 (and I know exactly who boosted me btw) and I turned into a role cop for the night.

Now would you like to guess how I knew drealz went nowhere last night or must i spell it out further?

Going to dinner now btw, will check in later.

Postie what do you think of this post here?

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:09 pm

You and Titus head have me confuzzled on something. Considering the clusterfuck that is today I don't think I want to go down that rabbit hole yet.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:40 am

Winter hiatus is coming.

~~Math

Yay for shit posting!

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:00 am

Me and Titus head are AFK this evening. Email suspended.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:45 pm

Error Message not clear cannot reply as given.
However if you are asking what I think you are your mail provider. They should know that answer.

~~Math

V/LA til Tuesday but will do what I can tomorrow.

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:46 pm

Titus head should be able to keep regular posting.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:46 pm

And if anything is directed to me I will see it Tuesday.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:49 pm

Looks like that was a different question oh well.

Responded to that.

*shrug*

~~Math

Now V/LA