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Post Post #500  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:16 pm

In post 263, Desperado wrote:
In post 261, Narna wrote:Is Lane town?


Could be ya.

Find scum intent in mcmeemo posting.


Faking the PR; no meaningful response to his wagon; no thoughts on dreal responding to his wagon for him.

In post 284, Desperado wrote:um

lane is town as shit

In post 393, Desperado wrote:
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.


When a player is wagoned he has four options:

1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting

1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.

As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.

In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?


Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.

In post 394, Desperado wrote:
In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.

Lane is a good choice otherwise though.


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Post Post #501  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:22 pm

Those posts are consistent with you townreading those players, but they don't answer the question.

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Post Post #502  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:28 pm

Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
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Post Post #503  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:32 pm

In post 502, Desperado wrote:Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
I don't see the town motivation from Dreal. Lane I agree with, and Dav I'm still sorting but want to play with longer, so not voting there.

Tell me fhy you townread them.
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Post Post #504  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:32 pm

No? Obviously?

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Post Post #505  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:39 pm

In post 498, Azral wrote:
In post 494, KainTepes wrote:i think THERE MUST BE SCUM THAT IS LURKING,,

Agree on this.

would you agree also that KT is a lurker at this point?
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Post Post #506  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:40 pm

In post 499, Desperado wrote:
In post 496, drealmerz7 wrote:you didn't address my point


I don't care if McMenno has been lynchbait in the past or whatever your experience with him. In this game his active lurking and lack of engagement are scummy.

you are evading

why is it scummy here and not at other times?

what makes it scummy here

how can I learn to differentiate between the two? tell me what you see is what I'm asking

quit evading
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Post Post #507  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:46 pm

In post 505, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 498, Azral wrote:
In post 494, KainTepes wrote:i think THERE MUST BE SCUM THAT IS LURKING,,

Agree on this.

would you agree also that KT is a lurker at this point?

On the one hand yes.
On the other hand 494 is a positive step toward real content so let's encourage that.

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Post Post #508  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 506, drealmerz7 wrote:you are evading

why is it scummy here and not at other times?

what makes it scummy here

how can I learn to differentiate between the two? tell me what you see is what I'm asking

quit evading


Not following your meta read that amounts to "he gets lynched a lot d1" doesn't mean I'm evading. I legitimately don't care.

It's not a matter of learning to differentiate, it's a matter of lynching what's scummy. And being active while not adding anything substantive, especially when you should be a part of the discussion but you aren't, is scummy.
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Post Post #509  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:56 pm

DUDE

you are evading again

I DON'T FUCKING CARE

TELL ME WHY IT IS SCUMMY HERE WHAT THE FUCK IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!
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Post Post #510  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:56 pm

so you don't actually think he's scum

you just want to lynch him because you think D1 lurking is scummy, and...?
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Post Post #511  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:59 pm

In post 503, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 502, Desperado wrote:Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
I don't see the town motivation from Dreal. Lane I agree with, and Dav I'm still sorting but want to play with longer, so not voting there.

Tell me fhy you townread them.


Everything that occurred between he and Kain was town. I said this at the time.

I'm really not being cagey about any of this so I don't understand why people keep making me repeat myself.
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Post Post #512  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:01 pm

@ Dreal, relax man. I'm not evading anything.

McMenno is active lurking and is not even bothering to attempt to solve the game.

^Scumtells. I think he's scum. I want to lynch him for playing this game in a scummy way, because that's what you fucking do in Mafia. You lynch people who do scummy things.

Him lurking in a previous game and flipping town is irrelevant.
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Post Post #513  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:22 pm

actually I mostly get lynched days 3-5, almost never day 1
In post 512, Desperado wrote:McMenno is active lurking and is not even bothering to attempt to solve the game.

want to join me friend

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Post Post #514  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:03 pm

In post 511, Desperado wrote:I'm really not being cagey about any of this so I don't understand why people keep making me repeat myself.

You really are being cagey.

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Post Post #515  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:23 pm

No, I'm not. I've developed town reads on three players, a vote count was posted that showed those three as the only wagons with more than one vote, and I wanted to call attention to everyone that all of the leading wagons are shit.

^What is cagey about this?
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Post Post #516  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:27 pm

what's cagey is you won't tell me why this is lurking scummcmenno vs lurking townmcmenno
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Post Post #517  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:33 pm

I've said repeatedly that I don't care if he's lurked as town before.

What do you make of him contradicting your meta read?
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Post Post #518  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:33 pm

OHMY FUCKING GOD DUDE

CAN YOU NOT READ??!???!?!?!
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Post Post #519  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:33 pm

READ THE WORDS

ONE AT A TIME
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Post Post #520  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:34 pm

VOTE: desperado

fucking ridiculous
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Post Post #521  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:41 pm

Just stop, dreal. I am reading your words. I do not care if you've seen him lurk as town before. That doesn't make him town this game!

What do you make of McMenno contradicting exactly what we're discussing right now?
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Post Post #522  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:45 pm

DUDE YOU ARE NOT FUCKING READING IF THAT IS YOUR RESPONSE

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT HIS TOWNLURKINESS THAT IS NOT THE POINT I AM TRYING TO GET FROM YOU

HOLYFUCKING SHIT

TELL ME WHY THIS IS SCUMLURKMCMENNO

IT'S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE
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Post Post #523  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:50 pm

I have explained why McMenno's active lurking is scummy multiple times.
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Post Post #524  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:51 pm

Perhaps you could try ISOing me and then ctrl+Fing "mcmenno" and then following my progression on him. That might clue you in.
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