Mini 1863: Voting Mafia (Abandoned)

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VOTE: BTD6_maker
HURT: Vedith
HEAL: KainTepes

Slight FoS on BTD6 for not voting Not_Mafia as his RVS vote.

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Should i out my votes out now or wait until Day 1? Am i missing the reason why we arent Day 1 yet?

Why are you so worried about this? You're making no sense. Are you freaking out over the title page not saying 'Day 1' yet, or are you seriously this lost? Are you really this worried about your RVS votes not counting or something?

I don't sense any worry in this post, it just looks like SAJ is confused about how the Dawn phase works. What gave you that impression?

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VOTE: BTD6_maker
HURT: KainTepes
HEAL: Tywin Lannister

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Why are people bringing people so close to lynch threshold so early?

If the day hasn't ended then this will be my vote:
VOTE: zefiend
HURT: Eggman
HEAL: Tywin

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Should i out my votes out now or wait until Day 1? Am i missing the reason why we arent Day 1 yet?

Why are you so worried about this? You're making no sense. Are you freaking out over the title page not saying 'Day 1' yet, or are you seriously this lost? Are you really this worried about your RVS votes not counting or something?

I don't sense any worry in this post, it just looks like SAJ is confused about how the Dawn phase works. What gave you that impression?

What didn't give you that impression?

SAJ's posts leading up to that post show clearly indicate confusion about the Dawn phase.

Your turn; a counterquestion isn't an answer. What exactly would SAJ be worried about?

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Game description, it is bastard.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8302801

Also, drealmerz was actually pinging me so what I didn't wasn't scummy. I just didn't have time to explain before he unvoted himself.

Yeah, so? You tried hammering him.

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VOTE: The MM
VOTE: The MM
HURT: Eggman
HEAL: zefiend
Back end is better IMO.

OK,, i dont mind switching my votes around,,

VOTE: THE_MM
HURT: zefriend
HEAL: JasonWazza

You got the votes the wrong way round.

VOTE: zefiend
HURT: Eggman
HEAL: Tywin

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I mean, zefiend hammered drealmerz7 out of the blue, which should be an instant lynch. All he said was "drealmerz was pinging me", "This is a bastard game", which are all not excuses for lolhammering.

Unless zefiend can give me a very good reason my primary vote will be staying there.

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^Yes, zefiend needs to die. He quickhammered.

What happened to the activity in this thread

Zefiend still needs to explain why he quickhammered if he is town. I also need Tywin to answer me.

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zefiend is lying about his doublevote for some reason

How do you know? Why do you think that?

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Oh, I see you confused Vote number/vote weight

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I don't see a reason zefiend should be unvoted. If he is town, he his playing against his wincon, especially given that since he claimed he is a double voter which isn't *that* valuable IMO. If he was something more powerful like a full sensor I could buy it.

Eggman's claim looks legit, but I don't see how his result means anything meaningful. All we get is that the scumteam wasn't all on the wagon or all off it, which is a natural assumption for a D1 quicklynch.

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VOTE: zefiend
HURT: Tywin Lannister
HEAL: Secret Agent Jin

Tywin still needs to answer me, and has been active elsewhere.

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I don't see a reason zefiend should be unvoted. If he is town, he his playing against his wincon, especially given that since he claimed he is a double voter which isn't *that* valuable IMO. If he was something more powerful like a full sensor I could buy it.

Explain how claiming my role is playing against a town win-con please.

It isn't, hammering without a good reason is.

Secondly, you are either ignorant or scum. Double weight on my votes is exceptionally powerful in a game literally predicated on VOTING.

Well maybe, but definitely not powerful enough to justify quickhammering just to hide as PR.

Furthermore, it is now apparent that the only "good reasons" for unvoting me relied on my role-claim. You are not even bothering to address the logic and arguments in my posts.

You play against town's wincon, you are getting lynched.

Lastly, you have seemingly accepted Eggman's claim but have failed to grasp elementary maths that suggest either Jin or MM is Mafia, assuming that Eggman's ability works as theorized.

When MM flips scum you can die next.

Eggman said that there were 1 or 2 scum or similar on drealmerz. I don't see how this by itself implicates anyone as scum.

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VOTE: TheMM
VOTE: BTD
VOTE: zefiend

And now YOU tried to hammer. It probably doesn't count due to being in the wrong format but what matters is that you tried to hammer.

After zefiend dies you are next. Unless this was intended to be a joke since intentionally wrong format.


Seriously, this isn't funny.

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Again, you are either woefully ignorant or simply scum trying to discredit Eggman's result. "1/2" does not mean "1 or 2", it means "one-half."

Really? I didn't realised that it could be a fractional result, lol.

@Eggman

Can you clarify (with the mod, if necessary) what your result actually means?

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VOTE: TheMM
HURT: zefiend
HEAL: Not_Mafia

did you just HAMMER THE MM

wtf????

Kain, you're voting MM...

i know,, but Jason just hammered him without INTENT,, and The MM hasnt said anything,,

And in light of MM's scum flip, this looks really bad. This looked like scum trying to distance MM a bit, but didn't expect their buddy to be hammered so quickly.

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VOTE: KainTepes
HURT: zefiend
HEAL: Secret Agent Jin

As much I don't like Zefiend, if Eggman's role works as zef theorised then he is conftown, so I'd rather not vote there.

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@Eggman

Can you clarify (with the mod, if necessary) what your result actually means?

Nope. Explicitly says that I can't ask for what it means. But it looks like my deduction was correct.
I don't want to jump onto Kain just yet... let him "defend" himself and rest up a little.

Can you at least check if what you received was "0.5" or "1 or 2"?

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I don't see a reason to massclaim, we are at 2v8 so we are far from lylo. Only better then or close to it, otherwise we're just giving free info to scum.

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I was on V/LA during the whole of Day 2 (from the 26th of December to the 5th of January). Now I can catch up and post more.

...I'm not really a fan of BTD saying he'll catch up but not actually catching up after a day.

(Sorry for stealing the pagetop)

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I'm not claiming until I see reason to trust you, Jason.

Jason was on the drealmerz wagon. If you think Eggman's role was the number of scum votes on the wagon (which you apparently do here), then you should be thinking he's town.

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VOTE: KainTepes
HURT: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: BTD6_maker

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Ugh, I thought it was going to be fun playing with Kain but his last string of posts is so hard to read, much less evaluate its townieness/scummyness.

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BNL healed me claiming that I didn't catch up, but I have other things in my life apart from Mafia. I also have other games to catch up on, one of which is mine.

My heal on you was more for pressure. I wasn't fully scumreading you for not catching up, I just didn't want you to take forever.

I hope you catch up more soon.

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Actually... Pine is the one who needs to catch up. In fact, he has less content than BTD6 atm.

VOTE: KainTepes
HURT: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: Pine

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Wow... the game is really dead.

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Where's Eggman been?

For now I'll just assume his result meant scum votes so I'll assume the remaining two scum are in those four

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Kain, I did see your claim, I just didn't think it was indicative of your alignment.

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Ok, so I read the last two pages more carefully and I think KainTepes is likely town. Initially I found it hard to read because there was a lot of bad logic everywhere (such as the new page creation), but now I see that the overeager initiative to talk and engage people is really townish.

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So I am left with Pine, Gamma, BTD6, all lurkers. At this point I think Pine is most likely to be scum, as he just replaced in when a scum got lynched. Seeing that he's been prodging and we already have 5 clears in white flag the lurking is likely to be just avoiding putting in effort to a near certain loss.

BTD6 isn't too bad as he actually has some content. While Gamma's content has been a bit questionable I think he's less likely to be scum as I don't think two scum would have the same role, among three total in the game.

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VOTE: Pine
HURT: BTD6_maker
HEAL: Gamma Emerald

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Prodge, coming back here

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Okay yeah, the whole Pine v Kain thing was really unnecessary, and I do still think Pine is scum and will keep my vote there despite the force replacement

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And BTD's natural counterclaim of Pine seems pretty town, especially not immediately concluding he is scum due to that.

VOTE: Pine's replacement
HURT: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: KainTepes

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To Pine's replacement: can you successfully convince us that you and your predecessors are Town, and justify their prior actions?
To BTD: Zefiend, Kain, or both?

Gonna move this off of Gamma to prevent a stupid hammer:
VOTE: Not Mafia
HURT: JasonWazza
HEAL: Eggman

Can you confirm if your result is 0.5 or "1 or 2"?

Also, why are you voting players on the drealmerz wagon if you think your result says they're town?

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Also force-replacing Kain.

???

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HS you might want to know that you replaced Tywin (who was replaced by Pine)

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Anyway Human your catchup was obvtown

VOTE: BTD6
HURT: Gamma
HEAL: Kain

Back to not liking BTD. 445 gave me bad vibes as it lacked content but just making an easy post, and not liking his lurkiness in general.

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Um

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Since most people have already claimed, I'm now fine with claiming. I am a triplevoter.

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Prodge, can't be bothered to do much until the replacements come in.

I'll clarify that I do have one vote with weight 3.

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Welp.

The setup was fine, it seemed that it could have played out. The problem was the players, in particular the quickhammer, random stroke of luck and huge misinterpretation that completely killed the game's momentum and turned into a huge lurkfest.

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Also, I'm entirely sure the Condorcet method actually works. For example, if we have:
X:
VOTE: A
HURT: B
HEAL: C
Y:
VOTE: B
HURT: C
HEAL: A
Z:
VOTE: C
HURT: A
HEAL: B

This generates A>B>C>A, a contradiction. How would this have been resolved?