Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

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Post Post #1250  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:07 pm

I am less confident in my reads in general so they are less polarized.
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Post Post #1251  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:10 pm

-grey-: i'm leaning town. we have someone on dominion forum that's very similar (argumentative, likes to tick people off, pulls shit like ) and he is more helpful and easy to deal with as scum, to the point of being a tell. obv they're different people though, but that's the parallel that i have

i could go for a creature lynch. i guess there isn't really strong reason to believe me but i was sorta feeling uncomfortable with him through d1 for uh other reasons that he voted for me (you can kinda see i just stop talking about him in readlists, and i went from "he's town" to "he's not readable today probably" around the same time as i did so with gbt) (it went sorta the same way i feel about toni morrison: good thing i know that she got an award for being a good storyteller, because otherwise i'd be pissed). assuming it's not gigabyte/creature, i can totally see him noticing giga's read on him, totally not acknowledging it at all, and proceeding to try to seem engaged; his d1 iso is a bunch of one-liners, kinda dime-a-dozen opinions, and general opinions of the game as a whole; not a lot of reasoning on reads. not like there isn't a town narrative there (one of our better town players is sorta similar), but it fits cleanly as an inflating-y scum. assuming it is a giga/creature team, l0l

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Post Post #1252  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:26 pm

i was gonna post something about "im not yet wholly convinced on the creature wagon" and the 1 liners schadd_ mentioned being pretty prevalent yeah but seeming town until at least middle of d2 (around when he said he wanted people off my wagon in fact, which is sort of silly but what can you do)

then i remembered the open ISO digging with very little actual commentary on it on d1. that seems sort of like a "look, im doing work see" kinda deal? yeah i was sort of egging it on but i also was thinking conftown at that time. in hindsight it added up to nothing except "oh look creature's scumhunting" and sheeping my rask read on an unstated basis? is that an unfair read of that? im not sure

idk. when i lead wagons they seem to crash. i guess im sheeping my best non-rask townread on the basis of
1: townreads contained scum throughout d1 and into d2
2: creature shook my faith in his meta
3: i understand the arguments being presented against that slot where i dont understand them with other slots (or at least not as well)
4: i feel creature and schadd_ wagons are about equally likely to hit scum here

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Post Post #1253  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:37 pm

Okay, sorry for being kinda lazy.
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Post Post #1254  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:41 pm

In post 1247, RadiantCowbells wrote:Towny: Rask
Townlean: Schadd, MattBlack
Nullscum: Grey, GigaByteTroubadour
Scummy: Cassielle, Creature

So you were voting a scum lean of your two scumreads simply because I demanded a case for your read on me?

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Post Post #1255  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:41 pm

Posting one-liners is a playstyle, not a scummy thing.
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Post Post #1256  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:42 pm

Assuming scum are in {Gigabyte, Cassielle, Creature} is going the wrong way.
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Post Post #1257  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:43 pm

gigabyte tried to form a townblock D1 and sorta just went too far with it. It was stupid, but I doubt it's coming from scum.
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Post Post #1258  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:44 pm

cassielle doesn't look particularly survivalistic.
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Post Post #1259  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:45 pm

I'm not trying to form a townblock right now, I'm trying to get scum lynched.
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Post Post #1260  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:46 pm

So far my PoE indicates schadd_, -Grey- and RadiantCowbells. I think we're more likely to find scum there.
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Post Post #1261  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:54 pm

i dont agree for radiant. not in the least. i see playstyle stuff i mistook in -grey-'s case as well and a lot of unusual reads (where does this schadd_ townread come from i do not understand???) but everything feels town from that corner in its basis. i couldnt pick it out in an obvious fashion, its mostly the result of a lot of deep introspection on their posts and "does this have any way of advancing their wincon as one alignment or the other". as i said before, theyre not obvtown by a longshot but a decent look over their ISO should confirm my read there

you feel like your wincon could go either way when i look at your posts and today at least you feel less town than you should, particularly with the posts that i unvoted schadd_ over but not /just/ those

also your best defense of gbT makes them feel more scum imo so thats a thing

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Post Post #1262  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:19 pm

Do you work with meta or textbook scumplay?
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Post Post #1263  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:36 pm

i dont hold with meta because its possible to manipulate for anyone sufficiently self-conscious i think?

but i dont exactly go by textbook either

its mostly a personal repertoire of heuristics ive built up over a long period of time. "this tends to be scum". ive read games both on and off of the site i was a member of extensively, etc, and discarded useless heuristics based purely on "this worked in the small circle of people i played with"

they dont all seem to work anymore (or maybe thats just this weirdo game) but i dont really have much else to go off of yet so im going to stick to them for now

that said: i dont work well with a lot of read-styles -- i dont trust my gut reads, tone reads feel easily faked imo, logic reads are also easy to fake because you can stick to a regimented, scheduled playstyle with lots of self-editing to force the matter. content and introspection are my preferred methods of going through a persons post history. but i dont know this sites meta in detail yet so content is tough, i keep farming out the decision of "does this look right" to other players because of that. and sadly its tough to explain introspective reads to people, theyre the result of a long and convoluted train of thought more than anything

i did used to (as in, until the past ~24hrs in this game) hold with "foolproof" meta, as that feels like its baked into someone and they cant help it, like a tic. but well, you arent feeling town anymore, and in fact struck me as deeply scummy there. i tried to hold off but even a light skim over your ISO with "possibly scum" in mind reads really bad for you so here we are

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Post Post #1264  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:39 pm

In post 1257, Creature wrote:gigabyte tried to form a townblock D1 and sorta just went too far with it. It was stupid, but I doubt it's coming from scum.

What if his partner was in the townbloc though?
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Post Post #1265  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:40 pm

In post 1264, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 1257, Creature wrote:gigabyte tried to form a townblock D1 and sorta just went too far with it. It was stupid, but I doubt it's coming from scum.

What if his partner was in the townbloc though?

Still would be a weird and interesting approach of the game.
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Post Post #1266  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:42 pm

Assuming none of shade, schadd, and rakkar replaced out that's like 3 lynches (along with the thinkbig d1)
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Post Post #1267  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:44 pm

townbloc with threatening people (SEs) and nightkill within it to trim the numbers
deranged and incoherent
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Post Post #1268  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:44 pm

Nvm, thought it was a more serious deal.
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Post Post #1269  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:45 pm

like matt's where he townread seven players (but he's already proven wrong in at least one of them).
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Post Post #1270  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:46 pm

what exactly is your history with giga?
deranged and incoherent
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Post Post #1271  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:47 pm

how do you interpret their read on you?
deranged and incoherent
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Post Post #1272  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:47 pm

They is usually determined to make townblocks like this, though never played with scum!giga.
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Post Post #1273  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:48 pm

I took one scum game of him and it looks pretty different from here, but I never experienced it.
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Post Post #1274  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:48 pm

In post 1271, Raskolnikov wrote:how do you interpret their read on you?

They actually has a way to read me, they got me in Micro 673 even though I aimed to fake my townplay.
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