Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Reflektor]

Spoiler: Our Vert

Hey guys.

What's shaking?

I don't math but sounds about right. Why do you seem so concerned?

I don't math but sounds about right. Why do you seem so concerned?

You're not? I like to have some chance at winning.

It's a rare occurrence to get a scum lynch day one, and it's a rarer occurrence that a vig kill lands on scum. That puts us at losing night two unless the stars align perfectly.

Not really. I have good feeling about the player list.

I think I'm gonna do RQS this game

Please don't.

I think our best bet is to just play and convince the vigilante to stay put if we mislynch D1.

Spoiler: Their Vert

Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.

Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.

Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but

at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.

Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.

The bolded, for clarification.

Not once has LLD used it as an excuse for lack of content.

p-edit: hmmmm Spyrex can go up a tier

I'm just saying that it could be used as an excuse since she's having a difficult time so far with posts.

Seems like it would be very hard to fake

Posting with good grammar is hard to fake?

To me yeah. Depending on what and how much you want to say, especially if you have no one to proofread your post.

Okay on a reread I'm seeing what you guys are seeing now. I thought you guys were voting Jae for their vigilante comment which I found fairly reasonable considering what kind of game this is.

I don't understand how Jae originally found a conformation post more worthy of receiving a read compared to someone claiming miller. Even if you have a real reason for not factoring the claim, you could have still commented on her laughing at Lady's claim. I mean that would have most likely been received null but it's better than leaving someone off the list like they never posted.

Why the TR on Magna?

To general meta concerns, I feel like Lil Uzi Vert in the other game didn't feel like he was trying to avoid saying anything marginally uselful/risky; there, he pushed on someone because he thought they were maybe faking a PR claim, he clarified what was going on between players and he gave opinions on it. Here, I'm not really sure how to qualify his play other than coasting.

Vote: Lil Uzi Vert

I'll probably continue a larger case tomorrow when I have a little more time to work with but this is where I want to lynch today.

[Reflektor]

Except for Medea you just put the lower volume posters in die, and the higher volume posters in don't die. Weren't you just calling someone else lazy...?

Which one of my reads should be different?

[Aj The Epic]

BBmolla, Persivul.

[Reflektor]

BBmolla, Persivul.

Why?

[Persivul]

Which one of my reads should be different?

Swap AJ and shadonra for medea and molla.

[Reflektor]

I think it's silly of you to suggest that me holding Shadonra in the "death section" is unreasonable/a sign of me being lazy when Shadonra hasn't done jack shit this game.

[Reflektor]

VOTE: Aj the epic

Scum used to be hard to find

VOTE: Aj the epic

I don't think the AJ vote for "setup setup setup I hate setup spec because as scum I like fakeclaiming" was bad. However, I don't think that it was a particularly revolutionary observation.

[Reflektor]

I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

I think this is a shallow observation.

[Reflektor]

Eh, I reread his ISO and I kinda agree. Latest few posts make me think my read on him was bad.

I don't really understand this stance, but, if I remember correctly (it's completely possible that I'm not), this is also when AJ suspicion cooled down.

I think his point on LUV is fine, but not revolutionary.

[Aj The Epic]

BBmolla, Persivul.

Why?

Persivul you're trying real hard to paint me as scum.

I don't need to try. That push on random is the scummiest thing in the game so far.

What's scummy about having a null-read you want vigged and don't want to waste a wagon on?

You floated a wagon as a trial balloon with the vig shot as a CYA in case it didn't take off. Actually, if you now claimed that you wanted the wagon as pressure because he's a null read who isn't participating (it took a wagon to get you to do much), I might buy that. But now claiming that you didn't want a wagon on him after 378? That's just bullshit.

I especially like how you don't comment on random's alignment at all or try to tell us what kind of interaction it is.

I just checked his ISO - he's posted ~15 sentences. The obvious comment on his alignment at this point is

null

. We have two investigators to check inactive players. Or, we could wagon them to get them to talk - but you don't want a wagon, you want a vig shot.

Am I trying to mislynch him (if so there's so much support I would've gone for it) bus him? Please do tell

So much support? I see you, grey, and shadonra. That's less than half of what's needed. And, this reinforces the point that you're not interested in sorting him. You just want him dead.

This + the spoilered one on Fate is mostly just a tunnel on fate that's not going anywhere fast. He had that part with Tammy where he said "scum don't read as much, they already know the answer" for setup reading when Tammy said she didn't read the set up when SIGNING UP which was really weird. That one in particular felt like him trying to push a scum read where there needn't be one.

BBMolla's a harder one for me but mainly his entrance with a no lynch vote, his misdirection-ridden play with obvious fake claims and votes indigo when Indigo's only real contribution to the game was saying LUV wasn't scummy. His read on Fate feels superficial as there's nothing prior to back up that opinion of his on Fate or RM.

[Reflektor]

I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?

No, only that I don't really think setup spec is high on the list of things for scum to talk about.

setup talk benefits scum. it's unlikely to get any thing done this early and prevents them having to scumhunt.

I was referring to the out-of-thread conversation, not in-thread setup spec. I'm giving you scum points for this post.

I don't understand this.

[Reflektor]

Nothing is jumping out to me atm or I'd be talking about it

I say this more often as scum than town, but I'm not sure what kind of tell it is for other people

Rest of his posts seem town though.

I'm starting to lean scum on Realeo. 384 strikes me more as white knighting than a real defense, mostly because of the mention of day 2 lylo, and 387 appears shallow to me. I think I would lean scum on Reflektor, but it's hard to muster the will to dig through his posts.

I agree that some of Realeo's posting was shallow, but leaning scum on him without taking any of Tammy's posting into account (when Tammy is still the most prolific poster in thread) is weird.

[shadonra]

I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

I think this is a shallow observation.

I don't think that the shallowness of this observation makes it a weaker town case. It is clearly shallow. If you believe that Medea, just returned from hiatus, would fake this conversation as scum, fine. But I find this unlikely.

re: randommidget post:
He made the argument that scum likes to setup spec inthread essentially to fake activity. This was not the basis for my townread, and his argument doesn't strike me as having thought things through - he's just trying to score a point.

re: realeo:
That's a good point - I had actually forgotten that he replaced for Tammy. I should go back and reread her posts.

[shadonra]

Oh, you're talking about making town contributions, not the actual cases. You don't need to reply to my post then

[shadonra]

I'll post something later

[Reflektor]

I don't think that the shallowness of this observation makes it a weaker town case. It is clearly shallow. If you believe that Medea, just returned from hiatus, would fake this conversation as scum, fine. But I find this unlikely.

I think the problem is more with the premise that scum don't talk about or don't need to talk about setup speculation; if Cabd is playing, setup speculation is a part of his approach to the game regardless of alignment so townreading him for that is meh. In general, I don't think that talking about setup spec is a town tell like you think it is; that's why I find the observation shallow/weak.

[Reflektor]

re: randommidget post:
He made the argument that scum likes to setup spec inthread essentially to fake activity. This was not the basis for my townread, and his argument doesn't strike me as having thought things through - he's just trying to score a point.

He didn't understand your point, sure - why assign him scumpoints for it?

[Fate]

I wanted random to produce content thats all.

been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies

VOTE: Medea

[Realeo]

I wanted random to produce content thats all.

been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies

VOTE: Medea

With that vote, I'm going to play the classic flip-flop town

UNVOTE:

[Fate]

we had a nice voting bloc going releo...whats up?

[Aj The Epic]

Uh... right back at you?

[Realeo]

I keep thinking this...

There are 4 mafiosos.

Which wagon would the mafio sheep?

I feel, more uneasy voting this game.

[Reflektor]

I keep thinking this...

There are 4 mafiosos.

Which wagon would the mafio sheep?

I feel, more uneasy voting this game.

Hold on dude I have the answer

[Realeo]

The randomidget wagon gives me a moment of pause.

[Reflektor]

I know I left it somewhere, give it a second