Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[mattblackguy]

why would i defend him if i pointed out the initial inconsistency though? dgi

Creature pointed out the inconsistency

[-Grey-]

Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

grey can i get a reads list

If I had one, sure.

At this point, all I know for sure is that I don't want to lynch you or Creature.

RC is fishing for lynches here, and I'm getting fed up with it.

Oh shit I can't believe I didn't notice this.

VOTE: Grey

Lol.

I rest my case.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@matt

Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

^^^

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Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

I was being snarky.

yeah honestly i buy this but still

[schadd_]

nop. my guy that i'm comparing him to will do that thing, addressing someone as scum, while being like "nah they're town."

As a joke or being serious? Because it didn't look like Grey was joking.

1190 doesn't seem like joking/not joking; grey just likes to get under people's skin, and it might be a post that he makes still thinking creature's town. a third person yet that i'm thinking of from dominion forum does this as well; he called a scumteam of me and two other guys (when, incidentally, the three of us were scum) and crafts a silly narrative with it, then puts me as his highest townread next post.

[cassielle]

i was gonna say yeah that seems -grey-, the snarkiness

thats like just the tone in which i read everything -grey- posts tbh

[mattblackguy]

I meant creature pointed out the second post. I didn't realise that Grey said he was still townreading Creature after 1190

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bwuh

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didn't he just say he was townreading me or at least heavily insinuate it??

grey your brand of assholery needs explanation please and ty

ok but this in relation to 1237 still needs some sort of explanation

[-Grey-]

bwuh

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didn't he just say he was townreading me or at least heavily insinuate it??

grey your brand of assholery needs explanation please and ty

ok but this in relation to 1237 still needs some sort of explanation

Yeah, I said I was townreading you in 1237.

So?

[cassielle]

Yeah, I said I was townreading you in 1237.

So?

grey can i get a reads list

If I had one, sure.

At this point, all I know for sure is that I don't want to lynch you or Creature.

RC is fishing for lynches here, and I'm getting fed up with it.

just pointing out that gbT isnt in that post anywhere

still not seeing the issue gbT has there tho

[-Grey-]

Yeah, I said I was townreading you in 1237.

So?

grey can i get a reads list

If I had one, sure.

At this point, all I know for sure is that I don't want to lynch you or Creature.

RC is fishing for lynches here, and I'm getting fed up with it.

just pointing out that gbT isnt in that post anywhere

still not seeing the issue gbT has there tho

Eh. I wasn't thinking about her at that point, but that doesn't mean I stopped townreading her out of nowhere.

Creature was being bandied about and I didn't like what RC was saying about him, is the only reason he was on my mind.

[cassielle]

thats more or less what i thought was the case there yeah. just because you dont mention someone...

interestingly despite saying id stay null on you im convinced of town here, because like, i have a really good mental model of you now (can partially predict incoming posts?) and it says "oh btw im town" after every sentence like clockwork

scum is probably within creature, mbg, schadd_ from where im at. i could be swayed on gbT but i think that if gbT is scum then town lost, straight up, i cant see a way to form that wagon

rask is conftown, grey and rc are strong town, gbT is schroedinger alignment, schadd_ mbg creature have the whiff of brimstone and vile secrets to them

[cassielle]

also reminder for rask: do want that d2 creature ISO opinion + your current reads

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that if we lynch Cass or Grey and they flip town the game is just over because there's no way I'm going to swing a lynch on Creature or GBT for the rest of this game.
Conversely, even if Creature is town then that narrows down the game hugely and makes this a lot easier.

My vote is not changing for the remainder of this day phase. If Creature were town and Grey or Cass were scum (or even if they weren't) you can bet scum would be piledriving this Creature wagon right now. Schadd is still my strongest townread and I don't see anyone besides Cass that could be scum looking foran easy jump onto the wagn. Conversely, half the game is avoiding the wagon without really talking about Creature or just writing them off as town and not engaging like GBT. Actually Grey picked a fight with me over jumping on Creature so if Grey's scum he's probably scum WITH Creature anyway. I don't want to pull any you should vote with me because RC bullshit but I really don't want to see any other lynches today.

[-Grey-]

rask is conftown, grey and rc are strong town, gbT is schroedinger alignment, schadd_ mbg creature have the whiff of brimstone and vile secrets to them

Where do you get RC being town?

Look at his play today. He's been Lynch shopping and casting shade on me without actually giving a case.

[RadiantCowbells]

Literally if you are town if it weren't for me scum would have fucking pile driven you this game for free so shut the fuck up.

THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTERWAGON TO YOUR LYNCH AND IT IS THE ONE I FUCKING STARTED.

[-Grey-]

Counterwagons and looming lynches aren't my concern. That's shit scum has to worry about.

As long as I'm still in the game, it's my job to find the Scum, my own fate be damned.

So you led a counterwagon... so what? The only way that gets you any towncred in my book is if Creature flips scum. Which he won't.

Scum frequently townreads a player they perceive to be an easy lynch for the towncred when they flip town, so you leading a competing wagon on my strongest townread doesn't get you any brownie points from me.

[cassielle]

i read RC as town on the basis of trying to look at the ISO as "what does scum get from this" and "what does town get from this"

scum gets a ml and then theyre the loudest and most convenient target because they pushed for a ml no one else was perfectly happy with and got it
like if creature flipped town id park on the rc wagon til game end purely on principle and i dont see why anyone else wouldnt because i mean theyre the loudest and easiest to read as scum atm, so itd be a guaranteed suicide play, not an endgame play imo

town gets a slot that has avoided scrutiny properly looked at and gets one of their targets handled.

town motivation makes most sense, town motivation wins for me

[cassielle]

also im not sure creature flipping town would narrow the game down, let me see here

yeah no im not seeing it. it will give you a lot of conf bias tho because im on wagon and i think mbg, grey or rask are most likely to be the joiners, i dont see gbt jumping on board

1 rask tells you nothing
2 grey makes you tunnel on me and grey which are already your top scumreads (and not only is one wrong, i think grey is town too)
3 mbg at most requires one alignment doublecheck on his slot and you tunnel on me (grey optional depending on if he joins)

im curious how you can see this as helping town since it would at most add one name to your list and in any other likely case just reinforce your preconceptions? it doesnt narrow anything down unless youre willing to rethink schadd_

note: i do not feel creature is likely to flip town atm. the hinting that RC might see a possible town!creature flip in the future is concerning though

[Creature]

the hinting that RC might see a possible town!creature flip in the future is concerning though

Nah, sometimes I am worried that I'm scumreading wrongly.

[cassielle]

so do i

but when thats the case i weaken that read. for me my reads are ordered not on how scummy that person looks but on how sure i am of that scum read being correct

as an example of this method in practice: not only is the "entertaining the idea of a town!creature flip" thing pinging me, so is RC's best argument in favor of -grey- townreading him being"i started a counterwagon"
which -grey- sums up for me the "why" of that pinging me pretty succinctly: town cares about scum being lynched, town doesnt care about starting counterwagons to a wagon already on a half-decent lynch target

so rc is dropping back to nulltown, because while the rest of the ISO reads better with a town wincon, these two bits dont parse with a town wincon. one doesnt read right at all and one reads better as scum

ill leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which is which

[mattblackguy]

Well shit, Grey was right. He found both scum, Schadd day 1, and RC day 2.

I played like his shit this game, but at least we won. Hopefully I'll play better in my next game.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Raskolnikov]

What happened

[mattblackguy]

RC/Schadd are the scum team.

[-Grey-]

What happened

Matt decided to bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Mattblackguy

Creature/Cass might still be scum but this is definitely scum.