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VOTE: Unvote

Need to read the thread and catch up tomorrow. I am at game night with friends.

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@Aristophanes I am town dunno about you but I hope so.

@Gamma yeah

Honestly we both could. Aristophanes called my scumreads wtf worthy (I don't remember if you were scum or not sorry)
And last game with Gamma I was scum.

So here is to a better game for all since I am town.

Just got home from game night and super late just wanted to say thanks for the well wishes.

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VOTE: Wyv

Statistically one of those replacements is scum.

I mean you have to take into account the reason for replacement.
Replacement for inactivity is very different from replacing out.
Theoretically the former is however many scum to town there are.

Of which is a rd of the player list that replaced out so yeah statistics show 1's probably scum.

I just realized the link GE gave hasn't been updated in 6 years (and if there's an updated version, I don't see it)

It's hard to say (and I don't think we have a user in this game that's been playing since 2010), but I think it's safe to say that meta has changed since 2010.

Especially

in such an "it's your playstyle" type genre such as mafia.

It also said it was often ignored.

@IO: In your #6 and #10 are you being serious? Like do you plan on actually voting based on those statistics? Or do you have impressions of the game so far?

Nah I'm not that stupid. Like someone said you could say that on any 4 players you pick.

in what world are these townie posts

VOTE: scumdeers

what is your plan if creeps flips town? its a complete waste of a lynch. he is nai lynchbait.

also im voting hiraki what??? i guess that was eric

I think Joshz is scum potentially with Creeps.

Either way moving a wagon off to a vanity wagon with so little time left is sketchy. And who the hell is Eric?

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PARTNER NOW!

This post is horrible. Doubting a mason claim is one thing but suggesting outing a partner is worse.

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I like Gamma and JoshZ as a team. In the last game we played together Gamma was more forceful with me about reads and such. Now he plays nice with JoshZ and is only forceful on the mason claim.

So I like Creeps JoshZ and Gamma as the scumteam after catching up.

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VOTE: Creeps20

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You aren't. you're voting Hiraki.

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Unless of course Hiraki is your buddy and I had it wrong?

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With a weakass excuse of "compromise" to move off. If anything we should be compromising to Hiraki or Creeps not vanity wagons like you and Josh did.

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Day one lynches on scum are fucking hard.Compromises will almost always end up in town D1. Compromising from Creeps to Hiraki looks like an excuse to not bus.

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Then JoshZ moves off Hiraki to a vanity wagon to try to no lynch this stuff.

This is terrible that we might end up no lynching on day fucking one.

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Day one lynches on scum are fucking hard.Compromises will almost always end up in town D1. Compromising from Creeps to Hiraki looks like an excuse to not bus.

I'll vote Creeps if it shows support.

Creeps has exactly the same amount of support as Hiraki. So again why are you compromising to Hiraki. More so with my vote. Are you even paying attention to vote counts or just determined to not vote your buddy?

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Day one lynches on scum are fucking hard.Compromises will almost always end up in town D1. Compromising from Creeps to Hiraki looks like an excuse to not bus.

I'll vote Creeps if it shows support.

Creeps has exactly the same amount of support as Hiraki. So again why are you compromising to Hiraki. More so with my vote. Are you even paying attention to vote counts or just determined to not vote your buddy?

I haven't been paying attention to vote counts.
VOTE: Creeps

Since when do you not pay attention?

@TwoFace -- You're ignorant. I am always a loud player. I am not strongarming a damn thing. I am just trying to make sure we don't fucking no lynch on day one and I see people that are trying to do that and I am calling them out on their shit.

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VOTE COUNT 1.14

Hiraki (4): Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, Joshz, Gamma Emerald
Creeps20 (3): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes
havingfitz (2): TwoFace, Vedith
Lil Uzi Vert (1): TheseViolentDelights
TwoFace (1): havingfitz
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty (1): Creeps20

No Vote (1): FrankJaeger

With 13 players living, 7 votes are required to lynch.

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NOTES

Seeking replacement for TheseViolentDelights
Prodded MisaTange
Deadline extended a further 24 hours at this time
Gamma Emerald V/LA until 16 December (normal activity/prod requirements will apply)

Creeps and Hiraki are both at 5 votes with my unofficial vote count.

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Actually Hiraki at 4 whoops.

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Hiraki is scum. Fitz is scum. Those are good vows.

Creeps is nothing. He's a policy lynch. We learn nothing from his lynch.

Ignorant is not an insult. It means unaware.

I have demonstrated how I think people are colluding to avoid lynching Creeps and you come in and say policy *smh*

I do not think it is policy and my vote sure as hell isnt.

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Hiraki is scum. Fitz is scum. Those are good vows.

Creeps is nothing. He's a policy lynch. We learn nothing from his lynch.

We learn plenty. I feel you have a decent chance of being scum with him.

Any lynch is a learning opportunity. I don't think Two Face is scum though. I think he genuinely doesn't see that Creeps is not policy and that you and Josh are likely fucking things up.

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Well you didn't give a reason so idk why you're voting him. I don't really care though cause I'm 99% sure creeps is town.

I did. Are you going to say I am policy voting?

Gamma is scum I agree. He pays attention in town games.

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We learn plenty.

When creeps flip town, how you going to find scum on that wagon?

Nearly impossible cause he's being policy lynched

I don't think he will and if he does Gamma's weak play is completely inexcusable.

Why did you have to draw scum Gamma?

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Well you didn't give a reason so idk why you're voting him. I don't really care though cause I'm 99% sure creeps is town.

I did. Are you going to say I am policy voting?

Gamma is scum I agree. He pays attention in town games.

He didn't say I was scum.

Implied that because you wouldn't be able to hunt anything.

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We learn plenty.

When creeps flip town, how you going to find scum on that wagon?

Nearly impossible cause he's being policy lynched

I don't think he will and if he does Gamma's weak play is completely inexcusable.

Why did you have to draw scum Gamma?

Then you confirm my suspicions on your slot

Suspect all you want. I have scum to lynch. You will be proven wrong very soon I think.

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I started the post below yesterday and then my slow day became not so slow...

//Slow day. I notice I only have 3 posts....sorry about that. I do
tend to be a bit of an underposter that catches up in longer type
posts. Being primarily a phone poster slows me down a bit too. But I
digress...

So catching up from post 177 to 262...

I still am of the opinion TVD and Hiraki are town. TVD hasn't done
anything to change my previous view on him because he hasn't done
anything (literally) since my last catch up post. Whereas Hiraki has
zeroed in on LUV...who I also have suspicions
towards. I also still do not like the Io slot because of my
aforementioned reasons and now because they have flaked out of the
game. My vote is teetering between LUV and Io but I'll keep it where
it's at for now until Io's replacement changes my mind or a better
spot for it presents itself.//

So to resume....

My vote on Io wasn't based on the firmest of indictments and I've
liked what I've seen from Deer so far so I removed my vote. I believe
the mason claims. LUV was on the verge of getting lynched and his
claim made sense. Outing both masons wasn't necessarily a good idea
unless absolutely required but at least it will help with POE as long
as they both are alive. I do not think scum would fakeclaim mason and
risk outing two players as they could be subject to potential
investigative PRs who doubt their claim. I can't recall exactly why
but I also had niggling suspicions towards Misa. So their claims has
helped divert my radar elsewhere as I probably would have wound up on
the LUV wagon as well once my suspicions on the Io slot had been
reduced.

So where am I now?

Town (masons) - LUV, Misa
~Town - Hiraki, TVD

Ari

: Softcrumb (~bad). Vote on me (despite essentially
agreeing with my reasons for voting Io after
condemning me for my Io vote) (bad). Votes a ~mason (~bad). Lobbies
against voting Eric (ffr). =

weak suspicion

Creeps

: Not a lot of posts (bad). Early push for scum hunting
(good). Early Eric vote was valid (based on Eric's bad Post
140 (ffr). Some impressive irony. = weak
town lean

TwiszTed

: Very active (good). Defends Ari softclaim against
TVD (ffr). Town post (good).
Questions Eric's mason vote (good). Debates his Eric
vote to TwoFace (ffr). Gets pissed at TwoFace
misrep. (ffr). Surrenders to Eric ~newbie-ness and
unvotes (ffr). Banned (bad...on him). Lean town.

TwoFace

: Very active(good). Early stat theory fluff (~bad).
Shades mason (bad). Misreps (bad) Ted and gets into tiff. Naked
Misa/mason vote (bad). Defensive of Eric (ffr). Says vote on Misa is
gut (Post 262) despite having just given
several reasons for voting her (bad).
Reiterates vote on Misa doesn't have a lot of merit.
General snarkiness. =

Scum lean.

Gamma Emerald

: Very active (good). Early theory and alt fluff
(bad). Questions TVD's confidence (?). Seems to be shading TVD a bit
(ffr). Emphatically tells Eric not to claim. Votes
mason (bad). Emphatically tells Luv to out his
partner. Question for Gamma.....have you ever played in a game
were a mason claimed and did not immediately reveal his partner's
identity thereby proving they were fake-claiming scum? If scum are
going to fakeclaim why involve a partner? They could just fake claim
a PR that they might hate to see in the game in hopes of getting away
with it or outing said disliked PR. Poor excuse for
encouraging mason partner outing. (bad). Lack or
partner wasn't important yet and you literally screamed for
LUV's partner 1 minute after he claimed. =

Scum
lean.

Io/Deer

: Not a lot of posting yet. I disliked Io's stats chat
to start the game but I've liked what Deer has brought to the game so
far. Town lean for me atm.

Frankjaeger

: Not enough to go on yet. = Null

Eric

: Bit of a late entry in the game with an immediate mason
vote for gut minus any evidence (bad). Proceeds to gives reasons
for LUV vote and voices suspicion of Gamma and Ted (ffr). A few posts
related to how things are or aren't done on this site compared to his
experience (meh). Post 140 is just a bad post for
reasons I have previously explained. As yet unexplained Ted vote
(ffr). Has lots of mafia experience....is aware others find him
suspect but doesn't nothing to correct aside from proclaiming himself
town (bad). =

Scum lean.

This is town.
Demonstrate someone sticking out their neck this hard D1 as scum.
Either they are suicidal, playing stupid, or brilliant if scum.
I just don't see that here.

I disagree on reads. You disagree with mine. What matters is our mindsets during that disagreement. So are you just scumreading me because I don't sheep you?

My wool is rainbow colored. I stand proud for what I believe and if I had a day vig I would wreck Gamma.

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Fitz from what I remember does that kind of thing as both alignments though.
List reads are easy to do as scum. Easier when you have a claimed pr.

As experienced scum that has won a majority of games here list reads require a shit ton more finesse as scum than town. It exposes a lot of the mindset. Even in Gistou when I was widely townread it was a huge risk.

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Who I am doesn't matter.

So you can continually make references to your experience with me to support your comments (albeit poorly) but I shouldn't have the same luxury?

Far as I am concerned I don't give two shits about prior experience unless you are using it to make a point about strategy or to claim that a certain action is right.

TwoFace may be good he may be bad. However everyone things they are the ship at Mafia and it is a dick measuring contest. If TwoFace said they were a person you liked you would read them one way and a person you hated you would read them another. Alt hunting is disgusting and stupid. I am treating Two Face like someone I haven't played with before just like you.

Play based on what is in the thread not what you expect inside your head.

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I think Math is town currently. His desire to find an early scumteam looks like Watch Dogs Blitz.

E changing eirs avatar is new. What prompted it?

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Oh okay Going to make brunch now

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You should at least state your reads and make an effort to play. Do something.

Then again you are probably scum so you won't do that.

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Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.

Fuck that. Stop fishing. I wish I had a gun right now.

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Or you are pretending to fish him. Either way I want you to be lynched in a big pile of ropey town vengeance.

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Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit.

A PR claim is never a reason not to lynch. A PR claim must be supported with how they played and rationalized. You are just excusing your unvote of CreepyScumLord early. Look at 1800 town did the same fucking thing.

I will not let you wiggle your way out of this as scum need rope and your fishing skills are so damn obvious you have a bigger sign than a local Bass tournament. So just stawp.

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You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever. The risk of being wrong is too great. You also make mafias job easier. Besides there are still plenty of people who play shitty as a pr to avoid being NKd. It's terrible but happens on this site still.

No. you do not give scum outs ever. I hate this about MafiaScum. I have used it to my advantage and won. If someone is claiming you analyze the claim and see if it is valid. I say this because I have used it and I want MS to improve.

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I don't believe you. That post looks like you have told Creepy to claim PR and whatever he says you will believe him.

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hey mathblade

you said yourself that compromises result in townie lynchces. WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME TO COMPROMISE ON A HIRAKI LYNCH??? the last game i played on here and first one ive finished (so i can discuss it!!) i compromised on two lynches, both were mislynches, and we still won due to godly vig but the problem remains. i think io is scum. i am confident in that read. join my wagon if youre so desperate for a lynch. SCUMDEERS is SCUM, DEER mathblade.

On the contrary. I am not calling on you to compromise at all. I am calling you scum for your voting pattern. What the hell does DEER stand for anyway? Creepers is getting rope followed by Gamma.

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You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever. The risk of being wrong is too great. You also make mafias job easier. Besides there are still plenty of people who play shitty as a pr to avoid being NKd. It's terrible but happens on this site still.

No. you do not give scum outs ever. I hate this about MafiaScum. I have used it to my advantage and won. If someone is claiming you analyze the claim and see if it is valid. I say this because I have used it and I want MS to improve.

Sorry you're wrong. Day 1 you don't do mafia's job for them. Day 2 and beyond we can examine things. Town PRs still play like shit on this site. This is pointless cause he hasn't even claimed and we shouldn't even be talking about it.

Exactly why you analyze what is said and don't have stupid rules "Like don't lynch a PR claim on day one". You listen. If there is shitty PR play people learn.

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Cool, Math is town. I can sleep easy tonight.

Post content. Do things.

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Well I think he is scum. But if he's not he's shown poor judgment so far.

It will make crystal clear sense. I assure you.

Now look at how many fence sitters and proddogers there are?

@Prod dodgers/Fence Sitters
Post reads and share thoughts and play or replace our so someone else will. What do you think of the current wagons?

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I'm here.

Also, ignoring Math isn't a wise move., unless he's scum of course.
Regardless he'll put more in for town than most players here so yeah, don't do that.

Ignoring anyone is a bad idea.

I am town but even if you think I am scum you should look at my posts to try to find my supposed partners. Ignoring someone results in conf bias. All posts are helpful in scum catching.

I do agree I put in a shit ton of effort though.

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10 - 15
Ok maybe gamma isnt scum.
Eric still could be. Creep is looking scummmy.

This is the last post with content. Can Frank be required to post content within next prod or be replaced?

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Yo btw
Can we fucking speedlynch hivingfitz? I'll just state that he has a theoretical vote from me currently.

No. if we speed lynch anyone it is you or JoshZ but I am much happier keeping my vote on my scumread and would rather lynch Creeps then tomorrow people will wake to you being scummy mcscum and then scum be wrecked. Stop trying to work against a Creeps lynch.

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Math if you help me on fitz I will let you lynch me tomorrow ok?

I don't barter with scum.

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Math if you help me on fitz I will let you lynch me tomorrow ok?

I don't barter with scum.

There is no way you're this bad. I'd bet anything that even if I'm wrong about creeps (which I seriously doubt I am) there is absolutely no way gamma is scum with him.

If you're town please for the sake of this game and my sanity do better.

Why? I have pointed out several times where Gamma is begging and pleading and trying to give Creeps outs.

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Math if you help me on fitz I will let you lynch me tomorrow ok?

I don't barter with scum.

Point 1 bartering
Point 2 Telling Creeps to claim PR
Point 3 VCA as mentioned earlier
Point 4 (freshly added) Creeps posted elsewhere and not here. This indicates disinterest at a minimum and caught scum more likely.

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VOTE: Wyv

Statistically one of those replacements is scum.

I mean you have to take into account the reason for replacement.
Replacement for inactivity is very different from replacing out.
Theoretically the former is however many scum to town there are.

Of which is a rd of the player list that replaced out so yeah statistics show 1's probably scum.

I just realized the link GE gave hasn't been updated in 6 years (and if there's an updated version, I don't see it)

It's hard to say (and I don't think we have a user in this game that's been playing since 2010), but I think it's safe to say that meta has changed since 2010.

Especially

in such an "it's your playstyle" type genre such as mafia.

It also said it was often ignored.

@IO: In your #6 and #10 are you being serious? Like do you plan on actually voting based on those statistics? Or do you have impressions of the game so far?

Nah I'm not that stupid. Like someone said you could say that on any 4 players you pick.

in what world are these townie posts

VOTE: scumdeers

what is your plan if creeps flips town? its a complete waste of a lynch. he is nai lynchbait.

also im voting hiraki what??? i guess that was eric

I think Joshz is scum potentially with Creeps.

Either way moving a wagon off to a vanity wagon with so little time left is sketchy. And who the hell is Eric?

My creeps argument.

You lied and said it didn't exist.

Now excuse me I am going to Sunday game. Y'all can piss and moan but the fact of the matter is Gamma is scum and trying to get Creeps out of being lynched and is by his own admission not paying attention which he doesn't do or he is just scum with Creeps.

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That's a horrible fucking post.

You keep saying this but don't explain why. You are just dense as a forest right now.

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Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.

Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.

Fuck that. Stop fishing. I wish I had a gun right now.

I legit do not care what you think. This town is like a chicken with it's head cut off so claiming now, instead of when/if he reaches L-1, is more optimal so town has more time to switch if he's a PR.

No it isn't Gamma told Creeps to claim Pr to get out of being lynched. I have to go to DnD but seriously scum implosion is a thing people.

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You lied and said it didn't exist.

Well I was looking for the name creeps.

Still bad because my post had the name creeps in it. Try harder.

I just play differently than you and you scumread me for it.
Admit it and move on.

Out the door now.

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No it was written about Creeps.

Not posting in a game but posting elsewhere indicates disinterest or scum. That is a general rule.

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With friends will post as I can.

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Scum PRs usually claim VT so they don't get CCed.

Not how I play. Will answer post game but if I say why I am coaching scum.

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I'm with Math here.

TF/Creeps/Gamma scumteam where Creeps got the important power role?

Also, yes Crapes, read the game please.

I HATE BEING CALLED A PIECE OF FOOD!

Anyways all I noticed major was Gamma buddying me. Which is probable scum. To say the least

I'm not buddying you you piece of shit I want you hanging from a goddamn tree!

I don't believe you.

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This game is literally the worse.

Did a quick skim and ISO, my vote is still where it needs to be. Willing to compromise on Ari.

Spoiler:

@Ari:

Why is Math town?

@Fitz:

Alright, fair. I don't agree with some of your thoughts on those two but at least you explained your gut reads on them. I don't have anymore reasons to currently suspect you but I do disagree with your read on Josh in 750. He hasn't really done anything either.

Frank:

Replace out!

Josh:

Deer seems town and scum reading his slot for IO's play is awful.

Mathblade:

You're using meta to partially read Gamma, I'm using meta to partially read Creeps. Creeps is lynch bait as either alignment and is not worth the risk Day 1. Also your tunneling on Gamma looks forced. Especially your 724, reeks of fake outrage. If his role fishing is quite obvious, why make a show about it? People can read and see his attempts at doing so and then make up their minds from there. Scum wouldn't blatantly role fish like he's been doing and I don't fault him for forcing me to claim. He's more suspicious for his go with the flow play this game, he's literally just sheeping anything that walks.

I don't fake any emotion as either alignment. Look at my prior games. There is a reason I am deadly as scum because of it. I rarely if ever lie. In Gistou I lied thrice. That is it. If you scumread me I can accept that as people usually do when I am town but do so for valid reasons so my play can improve so I become better Town.

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We really need better wagons than Creeps and Hiraki.
I'm not voting either today.

Explain how Creeps is a bad wagon when Gamma tries to get Creeps out of it?

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@Ari: Why is Math town?

He's doing a bang up job at actually scumhunting this game, conversing, and seems genuinely to be trying to win as town. He's probably become my biggest townread.

Except he's done none of that. All he's done is tunnel and try to enforce his theories about mafia on others.

Enforce theories? Yes.
Tunnel. No. Point out inconsistencies until people admit them or they are obvious liars yes.

I do tunnel but this isn't a tunnel. This is poking a liar til others see it.

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Apparently people can't read my pronoun either. I know your sig says you don't care but if you can't read little details you will never understand my posts. They are in English. You are obviously fluent. What you mean is that you either A) Don't follow them or B) Don't like them.which and why?

I did not lie and asked and answered.

Yes I want to lynch Gamma and I wish he was the main wagon because he is that obviously scum to me. The way he guards Creeps sickens me.

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1) I did make a case using VCA on Creep. I did not do a post by post case.
2) He did already explained.
3) I didn't lie so this point is invalid.

Stawp seeping and lynch Creeps.

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Derping *

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1. It is. Get over it.
2. Repeating what you want doesn't make it true.

Gamma and Creeps are so obviously scum it hurts.

Fritz IMHO is town Vedith.

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VOTE: Creeps
L-1

Gamma's flip flop so scummy.

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@Vedith http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8574979

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How so?

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Will reread then after work with this in mind.

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Will be home in a few hours and catch up then.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Not sure I like where any of this day is going it all feels Town v town. Going to just say screw it all and vote with gut (and the reasons before).

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Good thing I don't care about town points. Pretty sure it won't matter what you score you have for me now anyway. Eventually I will be 3.14259 always and for the end of time.

And yeah I tend to agree on the FrankJaeger bit he needs to post content.

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Not sure I like where any of this day is going it all feels Town v town. Going to just say screw it all and vote with gut (and the reasons before).

Didn't you say Creeps was scum?

I did.
I also promised to reread. Which I did.
That reread left things confusing as hell except for you being scum.
So I switched my vote.

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Tomorrow is going to be a busy day, but today was worse (and over!). I realize that deadline is coming quicker than I'd like it to and thus I'll do my best to produce something significant when I get home tomorrow.

Looking forward to it.

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That moment when there wasn't enough chaos real life scum infiltrate the thread. For obvious reasons don't click on spam.

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VOTE COUNT 1.20

Creeps20 (5): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes, FrankJaeger, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (3): havingfitz, MathBlade, Vedith
Hiraki (2): Lil Uzi Vert, Nachomamma8
MathBlade (2): Creeps20, TwoFace
Vedith (1): Joshz

No Vote (0):

With 13 players living, 7 votes are required to lynch.

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NOTES

Gamma Emerald V/LA until 16 December (normal activity/prod requirements will apply)
Aristophanes V/LA until 6 December
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty V/LA until 9 December

We have 19 hours. Plenty of time for Creeps to get on and for discussion.

Gamma needs rope but I will vote Creeps to avoid no lynch.

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Mathblade, why do you want to lynch Gamma?

Gamma isn't his town self. In the scum game I was recently in 1841 he was a lot different.

He pushed for mason partner immediately and for many claims IMHO way too early. He has done blatant terribad fishing and it just isn't right.

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@Nacho I am about to head home after grocery shopping but here is Gamma's ISO from 1841. Note how "jokey" he is and serious he gets at times.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=28404

It is like a robot inherited Gamma's body.

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Why?

@Gamma

It doesn't feel like he really believes in his paranoia

Seems pretty weak, especially if this is the big case for your preferred lynch.
Do you disagree?

There's also Math's 60-0 read change on Creeps

Rereading. It is a thing.

And my pronoun is their. Please use it.

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Driving now back in a bit.

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Yes I do. Wake's game I did and I was town there.

What you mean is YOU don't have your reads less developed. I do.

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When I am completely bamboozled except for one point I admit it.

When I am confused I say so. I find no point in lying and making up shit just to make people happy.

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Not my style and you know it. I am not one to twist. When scum (which I am not) I let Town twist themselves. The last thing I do is give up control though. I just take an already existing weakness and make it larger.

In Gistou I made up fake wincon a 1841 no good town leader. I can pick one for each game. I am methodical and strategic as scum.

[MathBlade]

As town I plug those weaknesses make them no longer weaknesses so Town wins. But if I don't see anything I get the fuck out of the way. I can be wrong like when Titus nailed 5 or 6 scum in a row so I scumread her but afterwards I learn and the biggest thing I have learned. Big dose of humble pie when I don't know shit.

[MathBlade]

My reasoning then was the JoshZ vote off of Creeps was sketchy as fuck. However upon reread it didn't seem that sketchy however you still stood out.

In combination with the things suggested I realized that there were other possibilities and went with my top scumread.

#noRegrets

[MathBlade]

When you don't believe someone you state it and/or vote it. Not try to organize a streaking party.

Hey I don't believe Gamma is town. Can we mass claim? (The last sentence is sarcastic I am a lover of pants)

[MathBlade]

Nacho that was sarcastic. I was not and am not advocating for mass claim.

Gamma or Creeps is my preference in that order.

[MathBlade]

When you don't believe someone you state it and/or vote it. Not try to organize a streaking party.

Hey I don't believe Gamma is town. Can we mass claim? (The last sentence is sarcastic I am a lover of pants)

I was already voting it dummy
Also I legit cannot trust a solo mason claim after kraska fakeclaimed masons as town with a scum one time, I need proof it is real.

Then you state that disbelief and question it. Vote it. Poke it with questions of unusual size. If someone is dumb enough to fake claim masons in a normal setup they would be caught with other power or other analysis. There is no reason you should depants masons ever.

[MathBlade]

Same person. Sometimes I just make mistakes and fess up to them. I just get inexplicably scumread as town. It is a thing. I am working on finding out why.

Still think you are scum.

Oh and saying you pushed for a claim then you would have still pushed even after since in your scenarios kraska claimed masons with scum. So a claim helps you out none in sorting it and you then get onto Creeps for having distrust?

Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall of how obv scum you are.

[MathBlade]

I am coming back to this game tomorrow. Gut says Gamma scum. Brain says it liked Gamma's answer.

Need to determine if I am unable to digest bullshit or if my brain accurately determined if that is food for thought.

[MathBlade]

Nacho have a conversation with me when you get back.

what do you think about the idea of looking at the people who voted /suspected a claimed mason. Good idea or no?

I'll have some follow up questions

I know you said nevermind to this, but no. If someone has suspicion that seems particularly wonky then treat it like suspicion on anyone else.

This post from TwoFace I hate. I don't like it. I suspect everyone until they are conf town. Not sure if that makes you arrogant Town or scum.
Sicker than a dog today will vote if it helps to no lynch otherwise Gamma is my vote as he is the scumread I have most confidence in.

[MathBlade]

I suspect everyone until they are conf town.

First, I believe this is impossible to do, plus it is very narrow minded thiking since majority of the players in the game are town.

Second - if this is what you actually do, you have already contradicted yourself in this game because you have called people town and they aren't confirmed town.

In contrast it is open minded thinking. I may say someone is town and that means they are a townread. Until they are conf town they always carry suspicion and I fire it around like a battering ram.

I am open to literally anyone being scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE COUNT 1.22

Creeps20 (4): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes, FrankJaeger
Gamma Emerald (3): havingfitz, MathBlade, Vedith
MathBlade (2): Creeps20, TwoFace
havingfitz (2): Nachomamma8, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (1): Lil Uzi Vert
Vedith (1): Joshz

No Vote (0):

With 13 players living, 7 votes are required to lynch.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-12-08 16:30:00)

NOTES

Gamma Emerald V/LA until 16 December (normal activity/prod requirements will apply)
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty V/LA until 9 December

Then Creeps or Gamma all other are vanity at this point.

[MathBlade]

I can't count apparently :/ whichever one gets to the proper wagon I will hammer.

[MathBlade]

So 5 on fitz. Gamma should be the lynch today.

[MathBlade]

So 5 on fitz. Gamma should be the lynch today.

I'm nowhere close to being lynched, WTF are you talking about

You aren't close no. Should be doesn't mean will happen. There is a reason I am saying it like this which will likely be evident.

[MathBlade]

....Man you sure do like cod fish don't you?

[MathBlade]

Nacho...talk to me. Since you essentially kick started this wagon on me. How am I scum and how am I a better lynch than some of the other candidates?

Granted if town is going to have a mislynches it's better to get it out of the way D1 but I'd like to contribute through a few days at least. It's in your best interests.

Preview edit. Ffs.

I'm a jailkeeper

No way this is town.

VOTE: havingfitz

Very strong

reasons

that I disagree.

[MathBlade]

And if y'all see between the italics then you will see why that is.

[MathBlade]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

Otherwise scum get to be scummy and then go "Not it! PR!"

they do that anyway

but sometimes people play like shit, especially when they are a PR. Just look at the masons this game. both have played like shit. people think since they are a PR they can't actually be helpful like they normally would because it would put too much attention on them. it's crap logic yet I see it all the time.

But this means you give them a free pass to do so, anytime, all the time. That's the problem I have with it.

And if you say "oh well you played badly but I won't lynch you" then the issue of bad play as PRs will never end. You're actually feeding it unintentionally.

This is my argument from earlier and the same thing I used as scum in 1800. Fitz did not play like and very likely is not a town Jailkeeper.

[MathBlade]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

ToeFace*

Misspelling names is rude Math!

Correct sorry TwoFace.

[MathBlade]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

I find that

very unlikely

.

[MathBlade]

but you make the most sense as the scum partner, I called that shit ages ago

fitz/tvd (you)/hiraki

Awww sorry did your little plan to mislynch me fall apart? Boo boo so sad (sarcasm)

Calling shit incorrectly doesn't mean jack.

[MathBlade]

And scum with Gamma. Ironically Creeps is probably town from it and Gamma was leaving general instructions to try to fish out more PRs.

[MathBlade]

nope, i'm not scum and you're not going to bully me in to changing my beliefs. Something I do in every game.

if I have to get lynched tomorrow, so be it but once i flip town lynch the fuck out of math and hiraki

Comedy hour isn't til 7 pm at my local bar.

Gotta go to work but Two Face and Gamma are scum.

[MathBlade]

you can like people, but if fitz is scum, math is confirmed partner

Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.

[MathBlade]

Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.

I can read italics just fine, your late jump on the fitz wagon doesn't change anything. if fitz is scum, you are confirmed partner.

Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.

I can read italics just fine, your late jump on the fitz wagon doesn't change anything. if fitz is scum, you are confirmed partner.

"Confirmed Partner" because of a late vote?

I mean, there's gotta be more to it, no? Because this confirms nothing.

No you really can't. But that works better for us.

I promised to hammer so I did.

[MathBlade]

No not for the late vote. I've been calling the 3 of them scum buddies before math even replaced in. I even said there was an obvious connection between him/hiraki/tvd (math) that only made sense if they were masons which they aren't so the only thing that makes sense is scum buddies.

Fitz coming to tvd' defense earlier and casting shade on 2 separate people for suspecting tvd.

If you believed this you wouldn't have invited Fitz. Scum can have PRs you know. You are acting as if you know he will flip scum and the only way you would know is if you are scum with him.

[MathBlade]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

No, don't say that.

Lol @Gamma clearly posting in wrong thread. Scum probably have day chat too.twoFace and Gamma last ones.

[MathBlade]

Work for me people. Will check in later if still twilight.

[MathBlade]

GG y'all looking forward to reading the PTs

[MathBlade]

I was TheseViolentDelights and was in this game at some point, and boy did that suck

Alts are overrated bc nobody listens to u and then u get sad

You were TVD??
Maybe I shoulda listened to ya. Mathblade did justice to the slot at least, so that was good
And I townread you so go me!

I have an alt or two I'm probably going to bring out soon. Depending how they go, Ari may become used moreso for modding and for epic games I just can't miss out on.
Iunno, I love it a lot, but I also feel a change is needed in some way.

Honestly if I am not posting 20000 miles an hour that should give scum pause. I left my reads dubious because I knew if I did my role right I was dying N1.