Mini 1863: Voting Mafia (Abandoned)

[JasonWazza]

This is just to test the meaning of Irchers mechanics cause he doesn't want to tell me.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker
HURT: BulletNLynchproof
HEAL: drealmerz27

[JasonWazza]

So the likely mechanic's for voting is probably like
3 points for the main vote
2 points for the second vote
1 point for the third vote

Or something similar to this but to different weightings i dunno.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Drealmerz7
HURT: BTD6_Maker
HEAL: KainTepes

[JasonWazza]

@Ircher: About voting count. Won't it be easier using table format?

That's a lot of BBCode (Tables really are a pain to setup). I'd consider it if you gave me a template, but for now, I think I like my reformat.

As a note on this, while it would look niceish, it would be a real pain in the ass to edit.

[JasonWazza]

So the likely mechanic's for voting is probably like
3 points for the main vote
2 points for the second vote
1 point for the third vote

Or something similar to this but to different weightings i dunno.

It's likely this with some tampering to the numbers.

[JasonWazza]

Not to mention, given the very idea of the Mafia we are in, there is no point to any setup spec past that, because it's likely that there will be roles to affect that.

[JasonWazza]

So wasn't expecting that lynch to have gone off so soon, so much for the vote's reseting, i knew the game was bastard but that feels like a bit much.

[JasonWazza]

It's not bastard, just swingy as fuck.

I'm refering to the "dawn votes will be reset once day 1 starts" which was a mod lie, which makes this bastard.

[JasonWazza]

It's not bastard, just swingy as fuck.

I'm refering to the "dawn votes will be reset once day 1 starts" which was a mod lie, which makes this bastard.

Uhh, Ircher made a post explicitly saying he was actually going to keep the votes?
VOTE: JasonWazza
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman

I'll be honest, i missed that, and had to look really hard to find that even now.

[JasonWazza]

What happened to the activity in this thread

This time of year is filled with family and shit for a lot of people.

Hell this will be the first time i am able to make a decent post, and probably one of the last ones until after new years is done.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Zefiend
HURT: Secret Agent Jin
HEAL: Tywin Lannister

[JasonWazza]

I know that gunning for the quick-hammering player is normal meta on this site, but you should understand two things:
1) This is a bastard game. As such, I don't take it as seriously. Hence the YOLO hammer.
2) This is an

Ircher

bastard game. I dunno if you have any experience with that but I played in a recent one called Defiance and it was a total crapshoot dice roll (and horribly balanced). Hence even more YOLO mindset.

Exactly why are you playing this game then?

[JasonWazza]

I've been mulling this over for a bit. So I got a PM last night as my role as a Day 2 Census Taker, and while I don't know exactly what it means it says "1/2". My hypothesis right now is that this is how many scum votes were on drealmerz yesterday.

Question, can you give more context as to what your role is?

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: TheMM
HURT: zefiend
HEAL: Not_Mafia

[JasonWazza]

For anyone with issues to my hammer I didn't believe that there was any reason that result was anything but a half and it was 100% the best lynch to go with.

[JasonWazza]

Also now that i'm not on my phone, i also setup the votes in a way that only my personal thoughts for scum wagon's could have been lynched (Zefiend+The MM) instead of allowing the move of votes in a way that scum could manipulate a lynch onto someone else.

That said, given the info we have.

Vote (7) (HAMMER) - Drealm, Jin, Not_Mafia, Jason, The MM, Eggman, Zefiend

These are all confirmed innocent, or else we would have likely seen a 1 1/2 or something similar.

So myself, Jin, Not_Mafia, Eggman and Zefiend are all basically confirmed.

Scum is within {BTD, Bullet, Gamma, Pine, Kain}

Anyone voting outside these 5 is voting a confirmed town member, and anyone in this list should probably just mass claim (i'm willing to see a discussion on this though).

VOTE: Gamma
HURT: Pine
HEAL: Kain

[JasonWazza]

Just gonna be a little devil's advocate here: the number next to the target's name is how many players are voting that person. It does not reflect vote weights. So Jason's above post is wrong, albeit based on wrong logic.
Also, I think either Jin or Gamma is town, for no other reason than we already had a mafia double-half voter and Gamma seems to be able to double vote on his Vote tag. Jin has already claimed to have this role, too. I'll go back and reread Day 1 to see which one I like better.

VOTE: GammaVOTE:
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman

I'm saying that from the information we got from the 1/2 that it's refering to vote weight, which means we lynched the scum on that wagon.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Gamma
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman
Whoops, fixing that tag.
Ohhh, I get what you mean now. Never mind.

Jin is confirmed town, stop voting him.

[JasonWazza]

Here's my opinion on what should happen.

a) Everyone in this group

{BTD, Bullet, Gamma, Pine, Kain}

Should mass claim.

b) Anyone not in that group should claim anything (without claiming their role) that might show how someone in that group is guilty or innocent.

[JasonWazza]

Reason to trust me?

It wasn't my result, and it was accurate.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like if anything a voteless would be a town role, but regardless that is not my vote weight.

[JasonWazza]

I don't see a reason to massclaim, we are at 2v8 so we are far from lylo. Only better then or close to it, otherwise we're just giving free info to scum.

It's not a massclaim in a normal sense, just a mass claim of the 5 people who would like have the 2 scum in their group.

We don't give anything major away for the 5 town players that are confirmed.

[JasonWazza]

I'm not claiming until I see reason to trust you, Jason.

Jason was on the drealmerz wagon. If you think Eggman's role was the number of scum votes on the wagon (which you apparently do here), then you should be thinking he's town.

What I think is lynches happen based on how many people vote, but vote weight is used in sensor results.

So what, you think all of us on the wagon are 0 vote weight scum members?

Again do you actually believe a 0 vote weight scum member exists (again i am inclined to believe they would be town)?

I feel like your just posturing to have a shitty made up vote weight claim.

[JasonWazza]

Because you are just making worthless spam posts.

[JasonWazza]

You claiming doesn't require 20 posts.

[JasonWazza]

[JasonWazza]

HE:
1. contributed very little on DAY 1,
2. suddenly talked a lot now and then asked me to claim,,
3. I claimed and now he's acting like i'm just spamming,,

1. here is the time between Day 1 begining (properly) and Day 1 ending in my time zone.

Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:25 am
Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:29 pm

Notice how it all occurs within a shitty time where i'm unlikely to actually be on to contribute?

2. I am talking a lot now because i'm able to, and on top of that, there are things to discuss.

3. You are spamming, you have been all game, hell you had LITERALLY 17 posts of the 25 on last page, and that is with 4 of the posts not yours coming long before yours.

[JasonWazza]

Because my and Gamma's interaction carries some weight to the game, your just being a pain in the ass.

[JasonWazza]

So little posting from the people we actually need posts from, this is fun.

[JasonWazza]

{BTD, Bullet, Gamma, Pine}

If your in this group, you need to start posting.

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: we definitely need some prods in here.

[JasonWazza]

Gamma hasn't posted in 3 days 5 hours and Zefiend hasn't posted in 3 days 2 hours.

[JasonWazza]

I was mostly doing it because of gamma.

Because i'm basically 100% thinking that he is scum.

[JasonWazza]

I mean logic dictates that there is only so many ways you can make different roles in terms of variations on voting.

[JasonWazza]

and this game is now officially dead in the water.

2/5 of the players that aren't confirmed are being replaced.

[JasonWazza]

Can we get 4?

[JasonWazza]

Kain your being replaced, don't keep posting in here and keep it to PM's with the mod.

[JasonWazza]

I'd say just reading the game would be helpful.

[JasonWazza]

Acquiring a lynch requires the majority of VOTES on someone, but that doesn't mean that the person with the majority will be lynched, the vote weight and hidden vote counts on hurt and heal decides who gets lynched as well (IE. it's possible to get lynched with 7 votes, but if someone else was to have 6 votes and a bunch of hurt's, that other person would likely get lynched instead.)

[JasonWazza]

The game is done, scum are just lurking, and town are helping them lurk.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah there is fuck all activity.

[JasonWazza]

we need to have a massclaim of the 5, other then that there is not much else left to do, i still think we should lynch Gamma though.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah for me it's between Gamma and BTD with a heavy preference to gamma.

[JasonWazza]

Human if they kill you, then they have definitely conceded, as your not in the confirmed group.

But whatever you say mate.

Also as an aside, we also don't know what the weight of Votes/Hurts/Heals are.

Like for example.

So the likely mechanic's for voting is probably like
3 points for the main vote
2 points for the second vote
1 point for the third vote

Or something similar to this but to different weightings i dunno.

[JasonWazza]

Also we shouldn't be trying to find out any sort of vote weights, outside of claims from the non-confirmeds BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS SCUM TO TRY AND GAME THE SYSTEM.

[JasonWazza]

Prod dodge

[JasonWazza]

So in other words, the game was already solved, even if it was for the wrong reason (maybe our Mod made a mix up or something.)

I also really look down on Gamma for the replace out, because that looked completely like a "we are fucked i'm replacing out" sort of thing.

Not all that surprised by the setup in terms of roles.

As for the actual voting mechanics, they seem relatively unfleshed out, they probably did need to be thought out a bit more (and rather then use multiple systems for different days, pick one system for all the days.)

[JasonWazza]

Oh yeah agreed, i want to point out it's a critique, not a condemning or anything like that.