Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[Srceenplay]

My gut says
VOTE: Obvious Alt

Am I doing it right?

[Srceenplay]

Perfect!

o.o

I think that means I'm winning!!

[Srceenplay]

Perfect!

o.o

I think that means I'm winning!!

VOTE: Srceenplay
Somebody has a deal with the mod! xD

That statement is untrue. That makes you a liar. Vote all liars.

VOTE: Pep

[Srceenplay]

Garmr laid that out pretty good. Good job.

VOTE: Anotora

[Srceenplay]

Garmr laid that out pretty good. Good job.

VOTE: Anotora

Hey everyone, if you ever want to see what a lurker looks like, go read Srceenplay's ISO.

Well that didn't work.

[Srceenplay]

I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Woooow. All that from five posts.

I know right!
Aren't I amazing at this game!

Give that person a medal!!!




Write FAIL on it.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Srceenplay

I never would have expected that from you.

[Srceenplay]

I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Woooow. All that from five posts.

I know right!
Aren't I amazing at this game!

Give that person a medal!!!




Write FAIL on it.

Wait. Is that the only shit you have to say to that?

Yes

[Srceenplay]

So, we can't really talk much about it because of Rule 11 (ongoing games), but Srceenplay's meta is interesting and everyone here should definitely check it out.

You should probably spend more of your time reading this game.

[Srceenplay]

I don't see any reason to scumread him. You are voting so you obviously do. Why is he scum?

Have my case

I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Don't all votes have reasoning and help progress the day?
Are all sheep scum?

[Srceenplay]

Is it funny that Ano and Pep started to buss each other after the two were suspected to be scum buddies? Oh gosh, they're so obvious, don't they?

If it is so obvious, why did they do it?

[Srceenplay]

Shut the fuck up you worthless miller your face can be used as a pencil sharpener by a tibetan monk.

Tibetan monks don't use pencils you dumbass.
god why don't you go play some simpler game for your little brain to handle.
Maybe tic tac toe is more down your alley

This is looking like awkward flirting.

[Srceenplay]

Dear Keyen and Screenplay
Please add shit to the game.
Love, Alisae

I'm waiting for D2 and I got my post count up just for you.

[Srceenplay]

Frozen Angel is not my lover.
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one.
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son

Sounds to me like a personal problem.

[Srceenplay]

Dear Keyen and Screenplay
Please add shit to the game.
Love, Alisae

I'm waiting for D2 and I got my post count up just for you.

LOLWTF WHY?
Are you basicly saying that you have no stance on what is going on and that you have no reads?

Screenplay answer this.

No.
hope that answers your question.

[Srceenplay]

Dear Keyen and Screenplay
Please add shit to the game.
Love, Alisae

I'm waiting for D2 and I got my post count up just for you.

LOLWTF WHY?
Are you basicly saying that you have no stance on what is going on and that you have no reads?

Screenplay answer this.

No.
hope that answers your question.

If you have reads then give them.
If you have stances to take then take them.

I have taken a stance.

[Srceenplay]

Pep. I am TOWN

[Srceenplay]

^ can we lynch this now?

Nope

[Srceenplay]

^ can we lynch this now?

Nope

I was asking the adults.

Sorry.

Now who can answer?

[Srceenplay]

^ can we lynch this now?

Ideally not before squeezing some useful D1 thoughts out of Obvious Alt, mlmooney, and Keyen.

I kinda agree with that. Tho I think either Ano or Srceenplay should be our lynch this day.

I hope to change your opinion on me.

[Srceenplay]

If me talking how you want me to is the only thing keeping you from solving the game. We all are going to have problems.

[Srceenplay]

My game play has been consistent all game.

[Srceenplay]

I mean 27 pages isn't a bad day 1. I could lynch Anotora already, but I do want time to give more detailed reads since I'm probably getting cthunked day 1.

I am willing to give you as much time as you need. I promote you to leader.

[Srceenplay]

Throughout this entire game, Pepcho has only rarely voted in accord with his own scumreads. He's scummy.

I have rarely voted as a whole. But my two votes have both been on the same guy. One of my strongest scum reads. But honestly I think I would be more willing to go into day 2 with someone that actually wants to cooperate and help the discussion then someone like Srceenplay.

But still, you are one of my top scum targets. The day is still young I guess.

Is this accurate?
You would rather get rid of a lurker who doesn't post than getting rid of a scum who is posting and contributing?

[Srceenplay]

L-1
This is the part where you claim.

Is ther intent somewhere?

[Srceenplay]

I assumed we waited for intent. If I'm wrong can you explain to me why?

[Srceenplay]

Why?

[Srceenplay]

Becuase claiming before a lynch is pro-town?

Yes claiming before a lynch is good but why do it if it's not needed. Needlessly claiming is bad for town.

[Srceenplay]

Where is the intent to hammer?

[Srceenplay]

Ano is at L-2 because RC unvoted so that when Ano get's home, they can post shit.

So..... Nvm then? Talk about it later.

[Srceenplay]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

Don't agree

UNVOTE:

[Srceenplay]

Actually you know what I don't oppose a pep wagon. I just don't want my scum read anatora to fade into obscurity because people are being pussies about a subtle yet intintional power role drop with out a claim. Scums capable of doing that to lol.

I don't think name calling is going to get anyone stirred up, well maybe one person

[Srceenplay]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

Don't agree

UNVOTE:

Why?

@gamr
Hurry up and get it over with? Why rush the day. Haven't even heard much from alt and now we have a replacement coming.
Claim a PR so another PR can CC. Why don't we all just claim D1, would that make it easier for you? Maybe change this games meta were you claim on L-2? What would you like???

[Srceenplay]

Wow!! I feel like I was. Being yelled at.

[Srceenplay]

@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

Ok

[Srceenplay]

@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

Ok

I fell like grey is pushing you and you are getting defensive.
Why are you bothered?
Do you think he is making a legitimate case or dumb case.

Opinions

[Srceenplay]

Oops. Post inside quotes.

[Srceenplay]

Do yo want town to win or your friends?

[Srceenplay]

Do yo want town to win or your friends?

I don't undersand you're question

You seem to show a personal out of game connection with some people.
Do you want town to win or your friends?

[Srceenplay]

It's easy to call a lie a mistake after you're called out on it.

If she can't get simple details right, she needs to replace out if she's actually town because her analysis is worthless.

The only way her staying in game after making "mistake" after "mistake" after "mistake" (six thus far) makes any sense at all is if she's scum.

Wouldn't scum be more so inclined than town to try extra hard not to make mistakes.

[Srceenplay]

So, guys, here's my case for why lynching me today is a bad idea:

- Whether I flip scum or town (hint: I will flip town), mine is a relatively low-information lynch compared to the info you would be getting from lynching Pepcho or Srceenplay. I really haven't engaged much yet directly with people like Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells, but if you learn something from Pepcho's flip, you end up learning something about pretty much every other player in the game except kentofan. And if Srceenplay winds up being scum, which is very likely, then you will learn a *heck of a lot* based on who was willing to defend his scummy activity and who wasn't. To be explicit about it, if Srceenplay flips scum, we can pretty much proceed to wagon Pepcho D2 unless/until new information comes up.

- I am an active poster, and that alone makes me worth keeping around. At least I don't try to obstruct others from reading me the way Srceenplay has the whole game (and Pepcho has done on occasion with meaningless posts). I'd much rather the town doesn't carry dead weight like Srceenplay on its back. Even if I'm scum, which I'm not, wouldn't you rather have me be an obvious suspect later on, than be stuck with Srceenplay or Pepcho clouding the waters?

- Pepcho and Srceenplay are, in fact, scummier than I am. Maybe I still have a long way to go, convincing people of this, but it's true. All game long, Srceenplay's posts have been just terrible, and he's only improved them in hopes of warding off his newfound wagon. Pepcho's gameplay, to me, absolutely screams out bussing. Peeps like Garmr and Grey have been on my case for what feels like the lion's share of the day now, but my posting has wavered little. You can't say that about either of them, and it's really suspicious.

I realize this post might make it sound like I favor a Srceenplay lynch moreso than a Pepcho lynch. That isn't true. I think Pepcho is a lot worse than Srceenplay because Pepcho has gone out of his way to defend another scummy player, while the reverse is not true. But it seems like the rest of the playerlist sees Srceenplay as the main alternative to lynching me. I'm okay with that, though not thrilled.

What will you learn from a pep lynch if he is town? What if he is scum?

[Srceenplay]

Why does everyone need an alt?!

[Srceenplay]

Nope. 3rd game ever for me.

Except Starcraft mod.

[Srceenplay]

That was worse than any of my post.

[Srceenplay]

That was worse than any of my post.

Mine? If so explain.

telling not to contribute is not helpful or if that wasn't it being rude not helpful. You can pick whatever reason you want.

[Srceenplay]

It's not Grey's concern to convince you that he is town. It is his concern to lynch and find scum.

The fact how I will read him is not on him.

The fact how he plays and answers my question is.

Stop trying to teach me mafia K? Being self centered and practicing a dictatorship and fake leadership is the first step of loosing a game and I saw that happen 10 times more than all the games you played so far. And the point is it's easily fakable as scum and it's normally what scums try to be like in games cause they can easily manipulate the lynches and still stay like town.

Grey - if can't answer my questions regarding his scum read on me - is a fake one

If greys points hasn't changed, don't he doesn't need to answer. It's been repeated enough. I would rather not wake up to six pages of the same thing.

[Srceenplay]

Welcome PantherPunt

VOTE: alisea

[Srceenplay]

Tho that vote Screenplay sorta soldifies my townread on you.

That's dumb

[Srceenplay]

Okay Fire, just got home going to play TF2.

And what, it's dumb that you get towncred and that I read you as town.
Like, you've been contributing good shit when you have been contributing, I just wish you contribute more.

Finally someone seen the good I have been doing. Will you quote it for everyone else to see to please.

[Srceenplay]

Last time I checked RC has been giving you a townread as well but I don't remember if that read has changed or not.
And I don't want to force a townread down other people's throats.

Well thanks for nothing. RC might get it but someone like Pep or Ano won't without the help of someone like you.

[Srceenplay]

Tho that vote Screenplay sorta soldifies my townread on you.

Why
You very clearly have a logical thought that you worked through to come to this. The way you posted sequentially

Look at his ISO and tell me what you see.

Don't redirect me.

I asked for the thought that went through your head after he voted you to say it solidified a townread on him

I'm redirecting you because it'll make it easier to explain but if you don't want me to lead you in my thought process fine.
Screenplay is a quieter Transcend.
He only comments on things when he has a valid point.

Do you feel my vote on you is a valid point?

[Srceenplay]

Guys I want to talk about mlmooney89

I have a feeling she is scum but probably the scum in the best position. I have seen no attempt of anyone but me to put her in either the town or scum category. When stuff like that happens it kinda becomes suspicious.

She hasn't contributed much at all her first post of content was 624 and it looked like a hack job. After 623 she has social interactions (634,637) with pepe they look they could be coaching/buddying depending on the pepe flip.

I honestly don't like how she portrayed ano as not being a safe vote it really does sound like a bad reason despite her saying his flip would be informational due to the amount of reads. It's like she doubled back.

Even if you call 624 substance she post nothing of substance after and just engages in casual conversation.


The lack of contribution,no signs of scum hunting,the white knight behaviour,the lack of any solid case shows that she's scum.

Like look through her iso and find content you can't. Also the fact shes gone so long with out a scum read or a hard push (except me) make me expect she's decent scum player staying out of trouble.


What are other peoples thoughts on her.

she is ok for now.

[Srceenplay]

Why not use the weak cop to check miller claim?

[Srceenplay]

I mean if we can't confirm the miller we are going to have to lynch it later anyway, right?
So why not check the miller get a possible confirm town.
Or just use our lynch now to get rid of the miller and go through with the original check?

[Srceenplay]

Frozen angel votes twice

[Srceenplay]

Anyone want to bet there life on this vote?

[Srceenplay]

So only two?

[Srceenplay]

So alt wanted to try a new strategy where they use gut reads. Replaces out. Why possibly to much starting info to do gut reads??

[Srceenplay]

My drinking post for the week. Goodbye

[Srceenplay]

So the theory was for the week cop to visit RC, right?

[Srceenplay]

So after the fact the theory was wrong and pointless.

[Srceenplay]

So how many power role are you saying the mafia has?

[Srceenplay]

If scum had a roleblocker, and both you and FA were town, the scum team's best move would have been to roleblock FA and kill you, so that -Grey- confirming you as a townie would be useless. They didn't do that. You're alive. You or FA is scum.

What if a doctor healed someone?

[Srceenplay]

Why does it matter if you have a shot? If from above in normal you lose your shot from rb what is it that you will be able to confirm?

[Srceenplay]

Um no. Yesterday it was agreed that it was 1v1 today. Work your shit out.

[Srceenplay]

Um no. Yesterday it was agreed that it was 1v1 today. Work your shit out.

Alright fuck it I'm not quite sure what's going on on FA's end and I'll let that wait till later. She won't make endgame after a contradiction as glaring as that anyway.

VOTE: Anotora

Have fun in dead thread you cheeky scumfuck.

[Srceenplay]

Um no. Yesterday it was agreed that it was 1v1 today. Work your shit out.

Thats why a "No comment" in a normal game to a simple clear question about my role from mod is FUCKING STUPIDLY ANNOYING

You can't prove a mods pm to us anyway

[Srceenplay]

Well I kind of think that death clears RC from being scum.
So either scum are framing u or your trying to frame RC.

WTF are you talking about

That death indicates RC scum - but Garmr watched RC and saw pep targeting him so that is ino on RC

I WAS roleblocked.

You don't fucking read no shit and then express your deep opinions about me....

Does this situation still work if you are lying about your role?

[Srceenplay]

If we believe garmr is telling the truth with Pep and pep flips scum we basically confirm 2twon. Right?

[Srceenplay]

Uhh yeahb ut we already have 2 town confirmed.

Who are the confirmed and why?

[Srceenplay]

If we believe garmr is telling the truth with Pep and pep flips scum we basically confirm 2twon. Right?

Mandy could be lying. After your partner gets outed what better way to distance yourself than to confirm the person who outed your partner.

[Srceenplay]

Yup not working. Played in a different game with here. When she got called out she quit

[Srceenplay]

*her

[Srceenplay]

And ano is right. The two dead are confirmed.

[Srceenplay]

If we lynch Pep wrong we learn some people are full of shit. If we lynch someone else wrong we learn town makes mistakes again v

[Srceenplay]

Pep.
He was a wagon who got side tracked yesterday.
If garmr is right 1 scum down and 1 town confirmed.
If pep is town we found two scum garmr and Mandy

[Srceenplay]

I gave you mine. Tell me what we will learn if we lynch wrong?

[Srceenplay]

I understand you don't think he would have been a power role. But I feel we get more information from that lynch

[Srceenplay]

Now that the game is over SP I will say that the reason I voted for you day one was because of your two different plays. You were the single best player in the newbie game, hence why you were killed so quickly. You were active and vocal and on board. This game you were acting very strange. I do see that you have picked up more today which is interesting but still leads me to think you might be trying to feel out your scum role. Day one quiet, night was coached, day two more talkative?

Nope.
I was scum my last game. Got my ic lynched and hammered the game win b
That's like saying you made it to D2 so you must be town.
I am making a point not to have a meta game style.

If there is something wrong with my reasoning tell me so we can work on something else.

[Srceenplay]

I gave you mine. Tell me what we will learn if we lynch wrong?

We narrow down the potential remaining scum.

We can do that with a pep lynch. We have the potential to get one scum or two scum.

[Srceenplay]

Why is my thinking wrong?

[Srceenplay]

Why is my thinking wrong?

Because I want to dig for a Roleblocker flip to get information on FA's alignment.

That does not make it wrong. That makes it something you don't want to do.


Why go after a possible 1. When we can go for a confirmed 1 or 2? Why is that not in the interest of the town??

[Srceenplay]

Because FMPOV Pepcho is confirmed scum. Whether we lynch him today or not is irrelevant to me because I already see him as confscum.

But he is not confirmed scum until his role is flipped

[Srceenplay]

Ano. What do you think of my reasoning?



Let's keep one topic going at a time. You can come back to me being scum later if you want. I will lurk and not defend myself if that helps you.

[Srceenplay]

Because I'm discussing if my reasoning is right. What to know what others think.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Pep

[Srceenplay]

Can someone please tell me why Ano is better lynch than pep?? I am not defending him but I really can't see why it's better right now.

[Srceenplay]

If mafia player can only do one action at night, eliminating one reduces the possible action they can do.

And again. If pep flips scum that's one down and ^. Plus we get a confirmed town out of it.
If he flips town we get two confirmed scum out of it.

Getting a roleblocker would be good but it is not 100% successful. So again why to go with something that gives 100% results?

[Srceenplay]

*why not go

[Srceenplay]

If mafia player can only do one action at night, eliminating one reduces the possible action they can do.

And again. If pep flips scum that's one down and ^. Plus we get a confirmed town out of it.
If he flips town we get two confirmed scum out of it.

Getting a roleblocker would be good but it is not 100% successful. So again why to go with something that gives 100% results?

if he flips town we get 3 people who must be scum together to lie about that or a mafia ninja [ just if the first 2 times I explained this wasn't clear enough ]

and second he was te one who did the kill so he has no ability very likely and I find grey and mandy truthful (at least grey is cleared and that clears RC).

pep must be before lyo lynch anyway - we are not yet there - so its ok to just hunt for other scums atm that more of town is alive. - getting a roleblocker flip will clear me btw so thats so important -

That sounds a little selfish.

You are also going off reads and they can be wrong. In my opinion it doesn't necessarily clear RC.

[Srceenplay]

Alisea have you weighed in on my thought?

[Srceenplay]

Fa were you not calling gamma a top scum read? You ok with his vote on Ano?

[Srceenplay]

I can.
FA is right.

About what?

[Srceenplay]

Who is your town block FA?

[Srceenplay]

So you are reading town off role claims, what makes sense to you in a setup?

[Srceenplay]

You sons of guns had better be on Srceen's tail when I flip green.

FYI you have said you agree with my thought on getting scum results from a pep flip.
So you say I'm a scum trying to catch a scum? Please make a better defense at L-1.

[Srceenplay]

Have you been wrong about setups yet?

[Srceenplay]

One more question before I'm off.

Why can't mafia kill grey to keep him from scum!RC?

[Srceenplay]

-mute Ano

[Srceenplay]

One more question before I'm off.

Why can't mafia kill grey to keep him from scum!RC?

How they knew there is a watcher in this game who will target grey knowing I am role stopping grey?

Because they said so

[Srceenplay]

Again hopping from lynch to lynch when confirmed information is at your finger tips.

[Srceenplay]

Unlikely but not proven false. So with one lynch it can be proven. It is amazing that you are ok with assuming but not proven

[Srceenplay]

Unlikely but not proven false. So with one lynch it can be proven. It is amazing that you are ok with assuming but not proven

What do you mean?

you say we should lynch pep so with his red flip all 3 are conftown?

No but garmr would be, no?

[Srceenplay]

So if pep is scum great. If he is just a goon still good. If the other mafia have to pr they can only use one then at night because the other had to kill. So by killing a goon you would still be limiting the scum

[Srceenplay]

Mod need to fix the mut command

[Srceenplay]

Soo I'm here. I admit I have avoided the game for a bit, since I wanted to have a check on the situation.

Ahyways, I really can't do anything to tell you how I'm not confirmed scum, since the player who is basically top TR in almost all of your reads (including mine) has said against me. All in all, I'm not confirmed still. We don't have Garmr as confirmed, hence we don't have me.

I probably can't give opinion on the situation without looking scum to you. Understandable. I would lynch either Anotora, Gamma or Srceenplay today. Not counting me, since this is your opinion to take. I will say that my vote probably won't be casted in this situation. I will gladly give opinions or thoughts if they are desired.

Why would not lynching you be a good option?

[Srceenplay]

actually the more she says that pepcho is a bad lynch the more I think a Frozen lynch might not be terrible.

and the more you says the crap like this you are showing everyone the level of your game awareness.

^BTW to avoid confusion

the crap he was saying was that I'm against pep lynch

I said pep can die tomorrow when we have a scum team/roleblocker to get and pep flip won't give us that. Pep lynch won't add any information here while if we manage to get that roleblocker I will be conftown as well. I'm saying there is no point in making Garr more obvtown.

so yeah. I don't give a fuck about your anger FB. You can stop signing up in the games I'm playing if my pressence is hurting you and again I'm not a jerk who is asking you to actually read the fucking game before repeatedly making absurd comments.

sorry if I hurt your feelings

I'm not that perfect person you imagined. I actually suck when it comes to manner and personality. Is this discussion over?

Pep lynch does give information either way he flips. If you lead town on a mislynch today we get about as much info as we got from yesterday's ML.

I suppose it could be possible that you are mafia mastermind who ordered Pep to got kill. I think it was you who said "oh looks like mafia went with the no kill gambit." You completely understand the setup of the game but don't understand the functionality of your own role. Pep gets caught, "ya we will get to him later."

Just spitballing ideas here.

[Srceenplay]

Ok then no reason to come in here and talk at all. Let's try this again. - mute Pep

[Srceenplay]

So break down the town for me. Right now you have got two scum, right? Pep and gamma. So one left? The odds of finding the last vs ml?

[Srceenplay]

This is only my 3rd game on here. Only mafia I play is on Starcraft 2. The only time I can think of not getting a confirmed mafia is when we are following a lead on a higher value target( some other neutral killing).
With that said I'm willing to learn, but I still fell my course of action is not wrong.

[Srceenplay]

Gamma is scum because of his role claim? His role doesn't work with FA role?

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Gamma


If he is scum it puts you towards a confirm town?
If he is town does this confirm you as scum?

[Srceenplay]

Why info do we get from your wagon?

[Srceenplay]

What info? From a town flip and a scum flip?

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Gamma


If he is scum it puts you towards a confirm town?
If he is town does this confirm you as scum?

Ok what the fuck is this, why are you pushing a delima here?

What do you mean. You are saying he is scum because you are not, right. So a Gamma vote clears that up?

[Srceenplay]

We should use our votes to gather information. I what to make sure I know what information I could be getting. Knowing what information is available between different votes should heavily effect we're votes are cast.

With that I am comfortable with voting gamma.

[Srceenplay]

Why does Ano or Alisea matter right now?

The lynch is Pep or Gamma.

Unless you can explain valuable info that you can other wise get from there lynch.

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It matters cause there is a L1 wagon there that is pushed with all the townblock and I need to solve the blank in my scum team theory regardless

I asked you if you felt comfortable with the Ano wagon and you said Gamma on it looked funny.
Then Gamma jumped off onto you.

Did we already get a claim from Ano D1, I don't remember?

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That reaction test was cheesy. I felt like I was ready subtitles to a bad indie movie.

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Why try to tell us how townish he is?

Quick honest question though.

What is you read list looking like now Ano?

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Pantherpunt is at 5 days!?! Is a replacement being sought or is that v/la on the wrong a slot?

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Still say it's easier to flip Pep and confirm you and your theory.

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Still say it's easier to flip Pep and confirm you and your theory.

I will be dead tomorrow. I'm confirmed town by a cop. so pep is basically dead anytime I might as well use my last hoo ray to lynch the obscure scum.

And if you are notdead does that make you confirmed scum?

Why do you continue to solidify assumptions. The reason why town loses is because town gets it wrong. If you have a chance not to get something wrong take it.

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why is gamma the exception btw screenplay. What makes Gamma different from frozen?

It was an appeasement to FA. She says she is confirmed scum if Gamma flips town. My original is Pep and I still think it gives the most information.

Why do you say my tune has changed?

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Also the whole being worried about being seen to prever a Sceenplay lynch over a Pepcho lynch while not trying to argue against it.

The associatives between you two are out of control.

Can you restate this. I'm not sure what you are saying or who it's referring to.

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So what info would we get from a town flip or a scum flip.
Why is it a good vote now?

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Man I don't give a shit about this information bullshit. I want to clean out scum while I'm alive and the Anotora lynch is the best avenue to do so.

That is a lie. The best way to get scum right now is Pep. If information is bull shit it's because you have all the information you need and you don't want town to have more.

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The start of the day was supposed to be set up as a 1v1
The only way you are confirmed 100% is if pep flips red.
Mandy is not guaranteed. A pr claim like that by scum is how we won the game.

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Why is he confirmed?

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And don't get me wrong I'd love to bye felicia Alisae and FA but it's just the wrong play right now.

So you are saying you want to get rid of Pep Ano Alisea and FA. They are your scum?

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Possible Scum:
Anotora

Slight Scum lean:
Srceenplay

Null:
Obvious Alt, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Radiant Cowbell, keyenpeydee

Null leaning Town:
Alisae, Firebringer

Town:
Garmr


If I have missed any active player, please tell me.

The bolded are ones you should be explaining.
Also it would really make your top scumread a lot more genuine if you were voting for them.

Alt is a player I cannot judge since he has like 2-3 posts at max. His explanation was semi-good, but I need more. Same with Radiant Cowbell. I can't really read him at this point. Grey is a person that is very inconsistent in the way he behaves. This means that he is usually constantly moving from slight town to slight scum leans. Atm tho he is a solid null. Frozen seems very shaky in her defense but I also belive she is town from her response and reactions. Fire's claim was beliveable enough and also while he isn't very active what he has done seems pro-town at least for now. You have been doing good job with asking questions and doing something about, so I like that. Tho you are the same old bote so you are still not a very strong town.

moving this up so I can look at it later

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Alright here is how I work when I hafta catch up on a bunch of stuff. I write down notes as I go. My thoughts and opinions change as the notes go on but they are in chronological order so the ones at the bottom are current.

Firebringer (FB)- Claims miller. Early claim- day one. Possible real claim
RadiantCowbells(RC)- Counter claims; makes FB look scum
Grey- Tripping people up; then makes point about CC w/ vote
FrozenAngel (FA)- Points out things about the FB/RC for miller that go along with my own thoughts
Anotora- (Anot) Pointed out why RC being scum would have been bad for scum, this was called as scum by Grey.
Garmr claims both are town, becoming obvious that RC was joking.
Srceenplay (Screen) latched onto Garmr without doing anything.
Pepchoninga (Pep)- Standing up for Screen, says that we need pressure but we don’t need to lynch any time soon… well I’m not sure how that doesn’t say right away that pressure is no good since the lynch won’t happen. Worst way to pressure someone is to say but it’s a long day and let’s play this out… >.>

Anywho so my thoughts on a few people.

Anot gave reads which I was happy to see because even if scum it tells a lot about a person. I know a lot are voting here but I would place my vote somewhere safer.
Pep doesn’t seem to be on one solid path which makes me suspicious.
RC was giving pretty good explanations for game play which I would think scum would withhold so I’m leaning town.
FA seems like she is trying even is scattered with arguing, lean town.
FB is a LOT like one of my friends so I’m having a hard time separating him from what my friend would do. I do know my friend would be town if acting like that so since it is day one only I will stay town here.
Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.
Screen- This is my vote all day long. I’ve dealt with town screen and this is a full 180. Until we get better co-operation (which I know sounds horrible coming from someone who hasn’t been around but oh well) I’m going to vote here. When someone shows such a huge change in game play without giving reasons as to why it’s a red flag for me.

VOTE: Srceenplay

Now, just to clear my words. What I say is that I see a lust for a fast lynch in some people. That doesn't necessarily make them scum, but going for not well though lynch increases the chance of a misslynch. Pressure is made to force reactions which inturn help you to get a good case. And you should not feel rushed to do that. That is what I'm saying. If there is someone who does give a lot of food to fead upon and people have come to a consensus then by all means a lynch could happen earlier. It's just we have time and we should be able to use it as we wish without necessarily making us look scummy.

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{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Frozen Angel, Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan}
{Srceenplay, KNPD, Alisae}
{Anotora, PeptoNinja}

I would suspect those are your reads?

Why me as a scum tho? Also why do you put RC and FA as town? (At least that is What I suspect)

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Is a Pep Alisea Gamma far fetched?

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And also maybe not the greatest idea putting people at L-1 when we are letting a "confirm " scum lurk.

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FA you say you understand ideal setups.
With the town claims we have what mafia roles balance it?

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Wonder why grey called pep peptoninja. Inside joke?

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Can we lynch one of my three now please

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Ok RC give me the lynches for today so I can look them over

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FYI Ano lynch doesn't sit good with me

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Are you two not your own wifom world?

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No. look back at the vote history and it doesn't make sense.

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You town is a back and forth wine in front of me.

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I'm scumish to you?

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Again kill Pep and it gets rid of a power role night action

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Ano is a scum layup for the town

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You both have been around long enough to see it's to obvious right?

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Again kill Pep and it gets rid of a power role night action

pep is not a power role very likely what are you talking about >.>

You can only perform one action at night. If you kill you can't rb. And so on

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Both of you step back and think what else

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I just don't want anyone to become overconfident in the views.

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You are right but I could have sworn I muted you

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Ugly came into this game wanting to test out a new theory of "gut reads". He replaced out. Gamma comes in and claims a contradiction role.

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Look at peps early read list. Where is he going to put his team? Toward the middle? If you can agree that Pep is scum why would he be pushing for an Ano lynch

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Forcing a lynch and distancing are different.

If you want to talk distancing that is what Alisea did with Pep. Started the day coaching, began throwing shade at pep, then sheeped grey every where, including away from pep away from pep. Last vote ml was who?

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I've had a bottle of wine. I'm going to. Ed GN

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Has Pep or FA not voted on one another all game?

With Pep confirmed scum surely FA has voted on him at least once?

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I need to die to make the game extremly less wifomy

and 3 players are conftown + fire now

It would make more sense if you are town under suspicion to take a step back and let someone else guide the day.

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Leaving this for reference
Ano wagon at it's peak
Anotora (L-1) - Garmr, Srceenplay, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Alisae

Pep wagon at it's peak
Pepchoninga (L-1) - Anotora, -Grey-, Alisae, RadiantCowbells, Garmr, SAJ

SAJ wagon at it's peak
Secret Agent Jin (L-1) - Firebringer, Frozen Angel, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Alisae, Garmr

the fact that 4 people were on all three of these L-1 wagons is interesting to me. Typically, I find that scum would participate in this kind of behavior more often than not because they are looking for a lynch but not a singular lynch. however, we know grey was town so that's a counte rarguement (although to me, it makes the others' equity of being scum higher)

if there is 1-2 scum in Alisae, RC, and Garmr, that means there is a good good chance that each of those wagons were town (Antora, Pep, SAJ who did already flip town)

Garmr felt like that really nice sweet spot for scum d1 where he never got any heat or attention that I recall, nor did he stick his neck out and assert any original strong beliefs, reads, solvey questions etc.

though we apparently have mech stuff driving today

So the best action now would be to lynch Pep. Garmr claims he is the only one to visit grey last night. So a pep flip will confirm a lot

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@ FA you admitting that you are suspicious is not helpful in that you are basically saying don't trust me. If it's impossible to trust you stop trying to state things as facts.

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There are no pep votes cause we are not in danger of lylo and he is a confscum practically and he is likely goon

lol you never ever just let scum live bc they are likely a goon and risk the uncertainty of the lynch. you lynch the scum

what in the world have you hooligans been doing while I was away

Ty

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VOTE: Pep


Been trying to stress this all day.

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Why leave him alive to hammer anyone he wants?

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So there is not two deaths? To cause confusion?

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When I was reading last night I did a Pep and Alisea ISO together to look for any interactions. There was a couple were I thought there could be coaching going on. Later grey got onto Pep and Alisea did as well. She didn't stay on it though she follow grey the rest of the day.

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If scum tried to kill grey to frame RC there can't be two kills

The only way there could be two kills (without vig which is obvious we don't have in this game) was RC scum causeing grey death and a seprate scum kill

even if RC was scum they wouldn't do that ever

Sorry I didn't phrase that right.

That was my point. They didn't want two kills because it can cause confusion

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Killing scum is a wasted lynch.....

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Well panther is now in my scum reads

Can you explain why?

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Why vote Ano?

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Then why are they not voting Pep?

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So to be less obvious they all decided to vote on someone different from each other?

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Ok.

So everyone after hearing this are you still sure that Ano or FA is the best lynch?

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VOTE: Alisea

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You gotta give better details v

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The safest lynch right now is Pep.

Most do not want to go for the safe lynch right now right?

The thought is we have a ML left so let's use it?

If we lynch Pep now would we still have a ML later to use?

The other viable lynches are??

Are we not ready to make a case and start agreeing on someone?

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How can anyone be confirmed right town. I'm ok with saying someone is a top town read but confirmed is an assumption.

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Confirm is when everyone 100% agrees. Otherwise it's a strong town read.

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pedit: To be fair, this game has proven that it is 100% acceptable to be voting for yourself.

IKR

and these silly people (pointing at fire and screenplay) don't let people selfvote in SC2 forums ...

I've never played in there forum

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I tried to get into a game but it's dead.

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I tried to get into a game but it's dead.

We have one small game going right now and soon out "large" game that will likely need replacements.
If your interested I can refer to you to person hosting.

-sorry for the aside here

No,That's ok. I tried to /in the newbie.

I normally just play the mod. Play a couple of arcade mod games with helz and he told me about forum mafia. Thought I would give it a shot. It's nice to play on the go on mobile.

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Fire,
Why do you not want to vote for gamma Pep or Alisea?

Why do you want to vote for Ano and Panther?

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RC vote Alisea and I will vote with you as well tomorrow.

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Happy birthday Gamma

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VOTE: Alisea


Intent to hammer Pep

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Ano is something you let get away D1 and now you can let it go.
Linda like me, I was on Alisea D1 and back again.

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Linda lol. * Kinda

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I don't see Ano as scum so I can't vote there sorry.

Can you convince me otherwise?

You can read the last few pages to see Alisea is better

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Screenplay to you shit theories = scum
right?

Just one for sure.

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VOTE: Alisae

I've been burned too many times believing that people can actually be this bad. Almost exclusively they can't.

Alisae can be that bad.

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On a plate served up

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Bad call

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Alright caught up.
I find it funny how Pep hasn't shown up yet.
But besides that, not liking Anotora. Seems like they're trying to plant paranoia in the town.
VOTE: Anotora

Can you explain this a little

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@alisea Did you say you made something up so you can say you have doubts?

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You have sheeped all game an thrown in "shit theory" and a bad fake hammer.

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No.

Alright caught up.
I find it funny how Pep hasn't shown up yet.
But besides that, not liking Anotora. Seems like they're trying to plant paranoia in the town.
VOTE: Anotora

Can you explain this a little

The answer is no. He can't.

W0WIE! YOU ANSWERED FOR ME!
IT'S TOTALLY LIKE HE WAS TALKING TO YOU!
VOTE: Anotora

Sure. They seemed to attempt to plant doubt the PR clears right away instead of thinking about them.
I bought the claims but then I took sometime to come up with a shit theory for them.

Also right now Screen it feels like you're just trying to find a reason to SR me.

Explain this better then, because that's what it sounded like to me

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Sure. They seemed to attempt to plant doubt the PR clears right away instead of thinking about them.

This just isn't true at all. I agreed with the rationale for voting Pepcho but that's the extent of it.

That's what I thought at the time lmao.

So you don't think it now? Just sheepishly voting?

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Yes, D1 you followed grey around like a little puppy

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When I feel like it is fake, yes v

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What am I lying about?

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Fake