Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[RadiantCowbells]

Gamma is the last slot we should lynch today imo.

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FA NK.

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It's funny how scum!Mandy chose me as the least mislynchable player to be innoed yet people are trying to say we're a scumteam.

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Fire why do you want to be lynched before mooney?

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I swear to my love Annie that if I am scum I will nightkill you tonight.

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I'm rereading one more time.

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I think Firebringer is conftown or as good as tbh.

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I'm going to do whatever I think FA would do here.

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FA would vote Gamma but that's a bad wagon before we've seen another scumflip.

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See the thing is in an ideal universe we lynch outside of the PR claims but there's a chance that both the PR claims are scum.

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Oh! Pepcho! You're right, I completely missed your chiming in on Srceenplay in #289.

Screenplay hasn't stayed for an actual disscussion so you can actually say "Yes, he is here, but he isn't contributing". Also this isn't exactly the Screenplay I know, but he might just not have anything to go for still.

You are completely unjustified in defending Srceenplay like this, and a post like this gives ground to suspect a Pepcho/Srceenplay scumteam.

Good theory but I'm just pointing out the obvious. Just as many players here know each other and how they play, I also know Srceenplay a bit, since I'm curently playing in another game with him. He either is a very bad scum or has other good explanation for his bad contribution to the game and sometime cocky responses.

Pepcho hard defended Srceenplay and never seemed interested in getting on that wagon.

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Pepcho's vote was ON SRCEENPLAY but at the same time he's soft defending him and pushing away from that lynch.

Also this looks sort of like he reads Srceenplay as PR, kinda? But idk.

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So, from my understanding, Pepcho voted for Srceenplay in RVS, kept the vote there for about fifteen pages, removed it "because my RVS vote seems to be causing so much trouble", and then just REVOTED Srceenplay for no additional reason because now he's under pressure to make a case.

...And people think my contribution is worse than his?

Ugh, no. I kept my RVS vote, because I saw no need to remove it. Then I removed it to show people that I'm not gonna sit and do nothing as I was accused. And then Screenplay started playing like that and since he was one of my top scum targets from before I put a pressure lynch on him. This does not seem to bother him, so it is just making me more confident in the lynch.

Hmm?

[RadiantCowbells]

If me talking how you want me to is the only thing keeping you from solving the game. We all are going to have problems.

Posts like that is why I voted for you.

I don't want you to play like I want you to. I want you TO ACTUALLY play. What you are doing is just annoying us. And it seems to be your gameplan. You are not cooperating in any way, nor do you actually try to help the game.

Ehh this kind of feels not SvS. I imagine that this conversation, if it was had, would be had in encryptor-enabled scum chat?

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In a hypothetical universe where

Alisae/Srceenplay/Firebringer/RC are all town, that only leaves

PantherPunt/Mlmooney/Elena Fisher

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For one of Alisae/Panther/Srceenplay to even BE scum we have to know that one PR is town though.
So either town has a cop or town! has an ascetic or both or neither.
If scum have the cop then the ascetic could reasonably be town with the miller there to lend credence to scum's cop claim. Could also just be scumfuckmcgee.
But in a universe where town actually has a cop? it's literally fucking guaranteed that scum has an ascetic. PERIOD. NO QUESTIONS. DONE. The only question is whether it needs to be Gamma but like-
Mlmooney's invests are so shit. Like, so, so, so, so, SO shit. Like autoPL if they had an actual chance of being town shit.

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Ok just two votes
VOTE: elena fisher

That's L-1
If there's a hammer and a townflip I'm likely dead tonight so glglgjgehf

y da fuck would you be dead you fucking nincompoop

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I mean THEORETICALLY could both PRs be town?

I mean I guess? but then scum have an ascetic ANYWAY.

So I think the correct play is to lynch MlMooney today and then lynch anyone besides Elena tomorrow unless I get a major read shift while continuing my reading. I will go back to that now.

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Anyone besides Elena tomorrow assuming townfliperino cappucino from cincinno*

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Because Roleblocker is confirmed and I believe the ascetic claim. So if we lynch MlMooney and they flip scum cop... Elena is cleared. Unless they're Ascetic Roleblocker? which makes little to no fuckin sense.

And frankly Encryptor/Roleblocker/Scum Cop vs Weak Vanilla Cop / Watcher / Miller / Ascetic / 1-Shot Rolestopper seems pretty balanced to me.

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It all comes down to Mlmooney's flip. Anyway back to my reread.

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Also also I'm here and what not but it appears to just be arguing and tunneling again so I will wait till I get to work and my desktop to say anything relevant.

Reasonably? subtle discredit of the wagon.

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No but seriously in what fucking universe do town have an odd-night cop a non-consecutive miller and a weak vanilla cop? And then scum kill fucking FA of all people.

Further: the kill order. You'd have to be telling me that scum left a watcher and a cop alive at the same time. Then somehow forgot to roleblock said cop. ???? Derpderp

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And again it comes back to how bad things getting outed on D1 is.

Cop getting outed on D1 is a literal fucking godsend to town. There's a rolestopper and a watcher to cover it. There's also a weak vanilla cop going around getting tons of reads.

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Alisae jump onto the Pepcho wagon in day 1 is pretty nice. Me likey.

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OH a point in favour of scum!Gamma that I just came up with: the vanilla cop as opposed to null role. This gives town some indication that the person they're targetting isn't cleared of being scum and prevents a false clear.

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Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

Don't agree

UNVOTE:

Why?

@gamr
Hurry up and get it over with? Why rush the day. Haven't even heard much from alt and now we have a replacement coming.
Claim a PR so another PR can CC. Why don't we all just claim D1, would that make it easier for you? Maybe change this games meta were you claim on L-2? What would you like???

Pro-town as fuck but also meh as fuck alignment wise.

Oh and Srceenplay: you are really hard reading as PR. Have you claimed yet?

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I wouldn't ever lynch someone on my thoughts with no proof

This is a hardcore as fuck cop tell.

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Mlmooney still not even acknowledging that the Pepcho wagon exists except to whine about people tunneling when momentum shifts to him.

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Srceenplay still being phenomenally pro-town in an Imperium!Nacho style keep everyone together manner but I can't confidently place it as town.

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It's easy to call a lie a mistake after you're called out on it.

If she can't get simple details right, she needs to replace out if she's actually town because her analysis is worthless.

The only way her staying in game after making "mistake" after "mistake" after "mistake" (six thus far) makes any sense at all is if she's scum.

not getting the order of events right because of a duplicate unvote and missing a text structure are not lies.

You fail to explain why those mistakes are scummy - so you're just trying to make some shit up here and get a fish from this muddy water.

But that's fine. People will read this again after my green flip - Today

Hey, you wanna know what would be really cool? If you could stop talking.

Is this really what Scum!Alisae says when FA is the most likely counterwagon to his scumbuddy's wagon? And Srceenplay who he is also townreading is the other?
Does anyone know if Alisae!Scum is the bussing sort?

[RadiantCowbells]

Pep at this point you might as well self-hammer and kill the convo if you're scum.

Major side eyes right here.

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Scum had daychat though. So unless this whole charade was planned.

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But still I can't put Alisae in confident town either.

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In fact no I explicitly do not put Alisae in confident town.

This feels like a bus that he grew cold feet on. There was probably scum chat discussion between that and the unvote.

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Pepcho has pushed and questioned every single person who voted him: everyone except Alisae.

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If Mooney is scum I have a confident RC/Fire/Srceenplay townblock.

PantherPunt enters the game so I can get a read there.

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Mlmooney trying to end the day as fast as possible after the Pepcho wagon dies in favor of Jhin.

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OH SHIT GREY'S COP CLAIMS!
and I thought someone else was softing cop.

Alarm bells alarm bells alarm bells alarm bells.

Feels like someone wants to be cheeky scum.

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and I thought you were crumbbing IC ;~;

Why the fuck are you looking for all these PR claims you obnoxious scumfuck?

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Hiya.

I think scum is Alisae/Mlmooney atm.

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Alisae is my stronger scumread in the two.

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I legit kind of like Panther's D1 so far.

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VOTE: Mlmooney

You die.

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Mlmooney utterly sidelined my wagon as well.

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<Firebringer>
<Garmr, Grey>
<Srceenplay, FA, PantherPunt>
Null line
<Pepto, Mlmooney>
<Alisae>
<Jhin>

Heheh besides Jhin who I lied about my reads are in basically the same position.

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Fire I have to point out that this is another game where you picked a fight with me about sheeping you and it turned out I was right again.

Yes: Anotora lynch was bad.

But I need to know that you will make sure Alisae does not reach endgame if I lynch Mooney today.

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VOTE: Jin
We'll come back to the RC lot later. Don't like it.
Their sudden case on me is shit too. It feels like they felt forced to draft one.

This slot does not live to endgame. Beyond any others remember this one.

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VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

LOL WTF DID THIS COME FROM YOU CHEEY FUCK

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I am good with Mlmooney/Elena/Alisae for our remaining 3 lynches if you are okay with that.

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VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

I think you are just mimicking RC at this point. We all know you ain't gonna keep that lynch, so It's basically a way to manipulate the situation to your liking.

0 follow up.

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Garmr you can do that, but honestly I think scum is RC, Pep, Gamma.

I'm down for either of the following:
Gamma, RC, Ano, or mlooney.

lolololol

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When is real cop ever this blatant about being cop?

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I will lynch Mlmooney or Alisae.

I'd actually prefer Alisae but I recognize the value in lynching Mooney first.

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Except...

What about Alisae/Elena?

So

Mafia Encryptor / Mafia Roleblocker / Mafia Ascetic vs Weak Vanilla Cop / Non-Consecutive Watcher / Odd-Night Cop / Miller / 1-Shot Rolestopper

And somehow in all that insanity they forgot to roleblock the cop.

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I'm still not sure that adds up though................

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It's not just Alisae it's the two of you together Anotora.

I mean we are all ready to lynch Anotora for other reasons. At least if we lynch him and he flips green that would kinda clear Alisae in my eyes. Mind you it wouldn't be confirm just more town lean. Because if Anotora was town why would scum Alisae even do the fake hammer? That at least gives us one helpful bit of info even if we ML.

This feels really dirty.

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Hell if I didn't come up with this theory, I would not be surprised if RC was "cleared" by mlmooney tomorrow.

uberlulzmegakek

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{Firebringer}
{Srceenplay, Panther}}
{Elena Fisher}
{Mlmooney}
{Alisae}

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and a scum flip basicly clears Garmr and ml.

Warning bells again!

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This game has been so stuck in my head and I've tried to play out every scenario about roles and the potential ways lies/fake claims could benefit who with what motives in what scum team combinations

And what I kept arriving at is that it's best to lynch pep and reassess tomorrow

This is the best of the pep votes tbh.

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Look at Alisae's opportunistic vote jumping jesus.

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well thats not! But your cute so whatever

So are you
Sorry if we didn't get along this game.

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Panther fullclaims. After that I'll figure out what else I want to do today.

UNVOTE:

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lol yes it is very much out of the norm.

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It's you sweetheart.

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We're lynching Mlmooney tho.

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I'm still considering the motion detector claim.

It's only added to my motivation to powerwagon Mandy.

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I keep looking at my message that says RC is vanilla but I'm having such a hard time believing it. Are we sure this isn't a bastard game? After I flip RC maybe you should rethink your tactics and stop acting like you are so good at this game.

You said that you were a cop. Thanks for slipping that you are in fact a role cop.

VOTE: Mlmooney

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That's a slip.

Everyone just lynch.

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I would immediately FOS myself and assume that I asked myself to tell Mlmooney to slip so I could call it out for it and bus her.

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Ty for letting me bus you btw mlmooney. I appreciate it.

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Being wrong makes you scum?

no, but if you were role cop would you not check miller claim night 1?
it makes no sense, especially with "I don't trust miller claims" ~Mlooney

Ok.

But it's still not a slip, bad play.
We should listen to what she says first.

It is a slip. She's claimed different things.

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There's also no town role cop in the same setup as a town vanilla cop.

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Yes she was I am vanilla.

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Still makes 100% more sense for Mandy to be a scumbutt here so.

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If all these roles are actually town then I'm just going to go tell all the reviewers that they're idiots.

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Also your play makes so much more sense as scum given associatives soooooooooooooooo

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I mean I guess I could lynch Alisae but my lynchpool is still the same 3 people.

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But fuck dude Mandy if you are town I think saying that I am disgusted with your choice of night actions doesn't do justice how poor I think your night actions were.

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VOTE: Alisae

Literally only because of the 'without proof' thing.

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Laugh at what?

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People think that you're scum because your play has been dogshit this entire game.

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Okay but you can't just come in and say oh I'm laughing at town for lynching me but I admit that my play was shit this entire game.

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Tomorrow if Alisae flips town lynch Elena. If they flip ascetic roleblocker lynch Mlmooney without question. If they flip straight ascetic Mlmooney is conftown and lynch Firebringer.

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I'm town m8 sorry.

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Town's not winning this game but bluntly they don't deserve to after the shit I had to go through D1 and D2.

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Ur scum just stahp.

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Okay I'm fien with adding Firebringer to the lynch pool if he's still going to push the 'me being scum' narrative.

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No this needs to happen now instead of possible MYLO/LYLO

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Like the towniest you got was your interactions with frozen and you killing her doesn't make sense

I sincerely, sincerely disbelieve that there is any possibility that Firebringer would think I am scum here. I am fine losing on the 2% chance that he is town.

I thought you were town for quite a deal of game explain to me your town motivation lately though.
Because everything pro town it seems lately you have been against and on opposite side.

Like normally I would think since you didn't push pepcho for lynch that means your town but honestly that's too simplistic and you going hard trying to detour sounds like you trying to play dumb.

sure.

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Lol fuck off. I'm getting night killed anyway.

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"I promise if I'm scum to do what I would do anyway"

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Why would I want you to nightkill me as scum?

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WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE NIGHTKILLED

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Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment. Why are we having this conversation if you're town?

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I can think that the town does not deserve to win while simultaneously trying my best to win.

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why have this conversation in twilight.

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Srceenplay I know firebringer better than anyone and I said to lynch him in exactly this situation.

He only lived as long as he did because Mandy's cop claim made no one want to push on him

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I like how I got away with telling RC to his face I was killing him the night I did

That was such a fucking obvious scumclaim too I was just like jesus.

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Tomorrow if Alisae flips town lynch Elena. If they flip ascetic roleblocker lynch Mlmooney without question. If they flip straight ascetic Mlmooney is conftown and lynch Firebringer.

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Fire should have been lynched. I stand by that that game was loss due to grossly poor play by town.

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You made it to D4 because I didn't want to lynch you because of the cop claim.

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I thought there /had/ to be scum in the vt claims based on errant setup spec caused by terrible claims.

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In a universe where Mandy played properly you would have been lynched pretty quickly.

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I was nawt being stupid

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I mean you played well but most of us were never touching you because of the cop claim.

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OMG STAHP

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I don't want to take a side here but I do want you guys to stop fighting so could you please stop fighting because it's making me sad.

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I mean it's not exactly a secret that I tilt when people are fosing me for bullshit.

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If by acting dumb you mean refusing to lynch you when I thought you might be scum but weren't my top scumread or telling everyone to fuck off when they voted SAJ because I correctly recognized it as a Pepcho counterwagon.

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I actually didn't I was just planning to deal with the situation later if I wasn't nightkilled since I figured if I opposed SAJ I would get lynched day 1 and that's not cool.

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>.>

Firebringer nightkilled you because he correctly deduced that I knew that you were town but keeping it quiet so you didn't get nightkilled.

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I actually didn't I was just planning to deal with the situation later if I wasn't nightkilled since I figured if I opposed SAJ I would get lynched day 1 and that's not cool.

No

You were scumreading him. when you said that pep was secondary wagon

I actually never scumread SAJ but I don't expect to convince anyone of that.

Maybe if we didn't all make compromises for other people this would have been a different game, but then again I did so under the threat of being lynched.

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Probably.

But you can find in the trail of the game the many posts where I say I think Gamma is scum but a poor lynch because of incorrect info that I had.