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[LicketyQuickety]

If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.

Well, I'm not Scum, so there is that..

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

[XnadrojX]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: everything I mentioned LQ in

VOTE: karnos

Most bullshit defence ever. This is the few kinds of defence I feel warrants a lynch even more than something like what LQ did.

I'd rather push a karnos wagon

Why I voted karnos. His bad play struck as scum, while I mentioned LQ's play is not with lynching.

Because I feel disgusted at a flawed accusation

Why I interjected. Never have I been told or seen interjection g as being AI.

And another contradiction: you don't say someone is obvious scum and say it's not a solid read

Following up my destruction of his trash case.

I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

1) that's all you accused him of
2) the onus is on you to explain they were
3) again, onus is on you to say that it's not town rather than just say it's out of place without explaining
4) That could be said of anything, invalid point.
5) then if it's not a solid read why didn't you solidify it or clarify? You just immediately threw the accusation without trying to look at it or pressuring her.

PEdit: clearly you need to go back to a Newbie game for people to take your analysis seriously.

I destroyed his case and threw back a comment at him about Newbieness in counter for HIS comment.

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

1. That's a bullshit scumtell.
2. Its protown to ask for reasons, would you like it if I voted you right now and called you scummy for asking me why?
3. If it's clear it's RVS to you then you should know that everything is said in a jovial manner until something happens.
4. I don't think you know what obvious scum means.

PEdit: ninjaed point 3

The original destroying of his post

As you can see, my posts mostly indicated how he played badly, over he played scummily.

Karnos in the other hand, I expressed a clear scumread on him, "Most Bullshit defence", "warrants a lynch", "rather push a karnos wagon" was what I said. Here, his play looked opportunistic, hence scummy, while LQ play is simply bad.

At the current moment, karnos not possibly being scumpartners with LQ leads to more reason not to scumread him, as I scumread karnos at the current moment. I'm remaining null instead of a townread, as this still has the small chance of being staged, e.g. LQ puts out the BS case for Karnos to vote and try to start a wagon for town red(I've seen it happen).

I would advise lynching karnos over LQ for above reasons.

Now with all the possible questions I can think of fended off, I am going to move on to other topics.

I TR Alisae for similar reasons to why he is universally TRed, however i would however prefer his vote to be in karnos.

Garmr and Shannon are Town for now, creating active discussion. If Shannon or Garmr was scum, I don't think scum wants to put in the extra effort of creating discussion points and noticing things that probably won't get lynched. However, this is one of the less solid tells, hence the For Now.

Again, everyone voting LQ I suggest swapping to karnos, thanks.

Blah, blah, I'm a horrible player who plays bad.

5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

Bro, why don't you check out my wiki. I prolly have more wins than you have games played.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

I agree. They are playing like newb Town. On that much I agree.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

I agree. They are playing like newb Town. On that much I agree.

My point what that if people follow them all game Town is prolly not going to do so well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Btw congrats on being a JOAT.

LOL. Am I the only one who finds it funny that I've been here way longer than them and they have a higher post rank than me?

[LicketyQuickety]

If anyone can produce a good counter argument to why karnos is town and LQ scum please present it.

No argument here, I think LQ is townish.

I haven't done a damn thing that is AI at this point.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: shannon

This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.

I remember you, do you remember me?

<<< I remember you,
You remember me,
We're one big fucked up family~ >>>

@Mod, LOL I was just about to say that Karnos is a null read because the game I played with them in I Scum read them hard core and they were Town and I was too.

[LicketyQuickety]

Checking in, first game

on this site,

looking forward to it!

Just pointing out the obvious here.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: garmr for ruining Ali's dreams

This guy has played on a different site as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Who else thinks this could be a Role Madness game? (Don't answer that)

[karnos]

4. An opportunistic vote is when you see the opportunity to vote someone with little possible repurcussions, in this case, LQ was likely going to be wagoned and leading the wagon in advance like this has little implications on you tomorrow.

WTF is this logic? How was I predicting the future, exactly?

Either there was a legitimate reason to vote him, and I am justified in my vote for that reason, or there isn't- in which case there is no possible reason for me to predict he would be a wagon. You are arguing nonsense.

Note: haven't caught up on the thread yet, posting as I go.

[karnos]

Not much else to directly respond to. I get the sense that there is a clique of players here who all know each other pretty well, which usually means I get miss-lynched. My style always seems to come across as scummy when playing with people I haven't played with before.

That said:

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Probably not scum based on what has occurred in the thread.

VOTE: XnadrojX

Best bet for today. Might just be annoying town, but he is using a lot of shitty scum logic.

Mostly away today hosting a D&D game, so I don't expect to be around again until late or tomorrow.

[Alisae]

That alisae keeped his vote on LQ instead of moving to jordan. He seemed to of placed a much stronger case and it seemed like he was leaning towards jordan.

Wait, you thought it was stronger?
Wait, I presented a case on jordan?
Wat.

[Alisae]

Btw congrats on being a JOAT.

LOL. Am I the only one who finds it funny that I've been here way longer than them and they have a higher post rank than me?

Don't get me wrong, I find it funny too.

[LicketyQuickety]

Holy shit Garmr is town. I don't see any scum motivation on the post above me. And I just don't think scum would go out of their way to do that.
Good to know you are town Garmr.

Also shannon might be town for picking that up.

You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.

Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.

What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through?

I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.

The phrasing here seems quite stilted and unnatural. Not sure whether it's natural style, early game awkwardness, or scumminess.

Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.).

I was a little conscious of that post through I'm kinda amazed you picked up on that. I rewrote that one like 3-4 times before I was satisfied with it. Originally it was going to be "what did you think of my case on karnos?" Instead of the highlighted section. But then it occurred to me that alisae is a player that will sheep their town reads. I didn't want to contaminate alisae's answer with my own thoughts. I wanted to see what type of answer alisae would produce and if I could get anything information on his alignment out of it.

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

[Alisae]

hmm...maaaaaaybe but if you are saying he slipped I doubt that's the case. It would be kinda a shitty slip to push anyways.
They could just know my behavoirs. No?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm prolly most excited in getting a read on Lexa.

[LicketyQuickety]

hmm...maaaaaaybe but if you are saying he slipped I doubt that's the case. It would be kinda a shitty slip to push anyways.
They could just know my behavoirs. No?

You saw me as Scum in one game. How does this game compare to you?

[Alisae]

I am too.

pedit: I didn't even read your ISO in that game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am too.

pedit: I didn't even read your ISO in that game.

How did you know I was Scum than?

[Alisae]

I skimmed the last 10 pages, saw some good shit, and voted you.

[LicketyQuickety]

I skimmed the last 10 pages, saw some good shit, and voted you.

So what is your read on me currently?

[Alisae]

Your scum.