Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

Hi all! I'll read this after work methinks.

Now, would people stop footing over the thermostat please! I like room temperature, not this fire - ice - fire - ice bullshit! That's how you get a cold!

[Aristophanes]

Footing = fighting obviously. It's too early for this shit.

[Aristophanes]

So, I guess U should start with a reading of D20?
What's making him seem scummy to you all?

[Aristophanes]

Sorry! I've been trying to catch up.

I'll be here after work probably!

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.

For one thing, stating that a vote is for pressure relieves a lot of said pressure.

For two, aren't we getting close to deadline?

[Aristophanes]

Oh, I came back post - hammer :S

I'll be active D2! Sorry guys!

[Aristophanes]

How is it that some people are clearing Rory while others are voting them??

This makes no sense.

[Aristophanes]

No one is clear

nobody cleared rory we have been over this

Coolio!

[Aristophanes]

So if SS improved, he's ok?

But he rarely does.

[Aristophanes]

no seriously everyone should scroll nm's iso i think theres a total word count less than kmd's above post

So?

[Aristophanes]

No one is clear

nobody cleared rory we have been over this

Coolio!

Whaaa?
You dislike my liking the info I was provided?

[Aristophanes]

I don't know what it is about Fire & Ice Mafia games that does this, but people always post too much and over analyse everything. This creates huge page counts and lots of walls, but rarely does it get us anywhere.
Like,I'm reading through and seeing very little that's actually case worthy, VCA being done on our 1 town flip, and people throwing out scumreads with no convincing points. What's a poor sheep like me to do!?

I just thought I'd mention it since it's an off phenomenon.

[Aristophanes]

Watching Aristophanes play is like watching Danganronpa

I'm gonna assume this is a compliment

[Aristophanes]

And I just 180 Ari, literally nothing.

This is true, my ISO is barren.

But it won't be all game, just for now.

[Aristophanes]

anyways, me and both factions know that i got night killed by both of them so nice try fuckers

yes nn was most likely a mislynch and the suckitude of his wagon was really high, but i will rarely resist a lolhammer

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This theory also suggests Transcend is town, because he is opened with a vote for Gamma. Scum!Transcend would probably go for scum, and not someone he would know is town. So Transcend, SS, Kmd, Realo, and to a lesser extent (because of that conflicting post) Josh are town. This theory isn't 100% accurate even if we are right about Gamma being the NK, because WIFOM. But it does help us find scum through scumhunting and poe. So I would say 2-3 scum are within Rory, Io, NM, Culted, and Ari based on all this.

We should lynch Rory today and Io tomorrow if she ain't NK.

VOTE: BK201

[Aristophanes]

Since I am tired, please excuse me as I become a Grammar N4z1.

You're not use

d

to

getting

be

getting

townread

,

are you

.

?

FTFY

"Getting" or "being" are fine there.
Also it was a rhetorical statement from my reading, so the period, though unconventional, was fine as well.

#GrammarLife

[Aristophanes]

"You're not used being townread, are you?" is the correct one. The alternative is, "You're not used to be townread, are you?" Remember the to + infinitive rule?

Nope. Not the proper usage of the infinitive. Sorry bro, you're wrong here!

But I digress...

Ninja'd
Indeed, "to be" is correct in many cases. However, the verbal tense must be considered.

[Aristophanes]

Show me then how. =D It doesn't have to be accurate. Just how. I'm open ears. It should be obv that I'm flustered.

I'll work on it. For one thing, NK spec is usually dubious in Nirmal games when a flip occurs. We're making pages on NK spec when we have no evidence of who was targeted. We're pulling shit out of the air that we can't justify in any way and making cases based upon it. Does nobody see how ridiculous this is? I mean, no cases are convincing when their bases are such poppycock!

So why don't we actually analyse people's play and go from there, eh?

[Aristophanes]

Nirmal

[Aristophanes]

I don't know what it is about Fire & Ice Mafia games that does this, but people always post too much and over analyse everything. This creates huge page counts and lots of walls, but rarely does it get us anywhere.
Like,I'm reading through and seeing very little that's actually case worthy, VCA being done on our 1 town flip, and people throwing out scumreads with no convincing points. What's a poor sheep like me to do!?

I just thought I'd mention it since it's an off phenomenon.

Oy, my actual question. How to simplistic scum hunt? =/

I was getting there. Wanted to finish my catchup first.

[Aristophanes]

How do you PoE an NK target made by 4 people from 2 alignments which both meant not to cross streams but accidentally did??
Like, there is no credence to any of these assumptions.

I'll look back at your other Gamma Case portions.

[Aristophanes]

But why Gamma "Okay WHERE'S THE SUSPICION OF ME?"

This is the case right?

What's wrong with noting that you were a top wagon one day and yet started the next with no suspicions on you?

[Aristophanes]

How do you PoE an NK target made by 4 people from 2 alignments which both meant not to cross streams but accidentally did??

TL:DR; The scum, as day phase, is less likely to be pursue on the target because one know he is scum. Wagon at Gamma suddenly dissapear! However, because we're eliminating too many people, so maybe the dissapearnace of Gamma wagon is accidental. I'm tired so please look my banter at BK. The beginning and the end part is important so please do read. The middle part is kinda a shit.

So much for Grammar.

That said, I'll see. But I don't think you've got what you think you've got.

[Aristophanes]

No one is clear

nobody cleared rory we have been over this

Coolio!

Whaaa?
You dislike my liking the info I was provided?

why do you dislike clearing people

I love having people cleared. But obviously there was an issue with the clears and I appreciated the info.

[Aristophanes]

BK, why would scum target someone who was being avidly scumread?
This part of your theory makes the least sense.

[Aristophanes]

Because they make a good next day mislynch..

[Aristophanes]

So your current amount of content was not limited?

Sick burn!
You're gonna melt that snowman if you keep it up!

[Aristophanes]

Aris, scum should be shooting for scum because it eliminates the threat of a NK if they can take out the other team. It helps them just as much as it helps town.

BK, why would scum target someone who was being avidly scumread?
This part of your theory makes the least sense.

Because they may have seen Gamma lynch as difficult to pull off. Besides what better target if they don't have a stronger scum-read? It's not about "saving scum for lynch", you just want to eliminate the other scum team asap.

Even if you throw the theory out the window, my vote would probably still be where it is.

I mean, I totally get what you're saying, but Gamma shouldn't have bee a hard lynch for scum to push, and shooting at a possible buddy would make more sense from a Scum perspective. Scum targeting a strong universal scumread just makes no sense to me.

[Aristophanes]

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

[Aristophanes]

What about you KMD?

[Aristophanes]

Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?

Why would it?
I don't see much reason. Care to explain?

[Aristophanes]

Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?

Why would it?
I don't see much reason. Care to explain?

You don't even have a stand!
You don't even have a read!
You promised one, said that mine is too complex.

I've taken a stand of logic against the distracting NK spec conversation. I mean, yes, I suppose I killed that convo and the thread died afterwards, but at least we're not filling pages with shitty, baseless speculations.

Reads and stands cone with time. I do alright with these games as they advance, but F&I mafia games are always rough for reads at the beginning.

[Aristophanes]

"at the beginning"

D2 is NOT the beginning.

It is when we consider that these games, though small, often go to 7 phases. Plus no NK to move things along. D2 is still early my friend.

[Aristophanes]

Oh please. Just say "I am scum Aristophanes who prefer not to state my stand so I can keep my options open"

I see what you're saying, but I also play Fire & Ice mafia games a little differently than others. This lack of content is normal from me as either alignment until the game gets going with this setup. I will later analyze data more than play, as I have always done in these.

It may not be ideal for getting townreads, but it is a strategy I have found to work decently well.

[Aristophanes]

Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?

Not until after I said interesting and at that point it wouldn't have applied pressure properly.

Aris, can you link all fire and ice games you've played?

[Aristophanes]

Whoops, accidentally clicked "enter"

I'm on it!

[Aristophanes]

Texcat's game from earlier this year

...
I thought I'd played in 2 others, but they aren't a thing apparently. I distinctly remember playing one offsite that somehow never existed.
I also hosted one offsite (it's not really relevant here).

Regardless, my points stand. You'll see me shine as the days go on and I can VCA properly (and by "shine" I mean "contribute more").

[Aristophanes]

So, in D2, since there is no data, you just going to sheep the largest wagon?

Not necessarily, but I may not be very helpful is all I'm saying.

Plus, I sheep cases, not wagons.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I've been busy. But I honestly get this feel from every F&I game (fewer than I thought). Maybe my memory of the game is skewed badly, but I remember being useless, and being called such many times, until about D4.

[Aristophanes]

Regardlesss, I'll read back tomorrow and maybe have something to contribute.

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE:

what is it with fire and ice games and a massive amounto f replace outs. pretty much every slot in my game had more than 1 person in it.

Iunno

Just one of those things I guess

[Aristophanes]

Why am I eternally behind in this game??

Reading up.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, lol, it's all the dog pictures!

Also, I'm ashamed that "lol" has become a casual thing that I just stuck in the above sentence without even thinking about it.

[Aristophanes]

I like trolls

Trolls like to sheep

Sheep ss, trolls. Dogs are basically shaved sheep.

Okay!
VOTE: SS

Imma actually Iso him. Is he doing anything other than proddodging?
I mean, I know it's NAI. Hell, he did it as a Mason with me at one point. But it's still antitown and voteworthy.

[Aristophanes]

I'm still waiting to see Transcend lynched

So you're just gonna do nothing until this happens or...?

[Aristophanes]

Pretty much just generally doing nothing. A scummier version of not mafia who is doing the same thing I guess?

So I see.
Definitely a slot to flip. And the way he said he's not Ice mafia in his first post alludes to being Fire mafia. And he's looking for specific factions despite no scumflip.

This is actually possible scum.

[Aristophanes]

Long ass days of work, I've been around 12 hours a day this week. Catching up tomorrow, sorry for taking so long -_- meant to be more involved

Best post of the game

[Aristophanes]

Fuck man, now we have to start trying

I'll he helpful this phase! Lets put a Wednesday deadline on that.

[Aristophanes]

I'll hold you to it

Please do!

[Aristophanes]

Scum crossed d1 as well

Assuming you mean night 1....how do you get that?

Simple game mechanics which we already discussed.

If both the fire and ice mafia target the same player, their kills cancel out. Until there is only one faction left it is essentially the only way there can be no NK. The Doc can only save one person remember.

How did you miss this and the pages of discussion about it at the seat of D2??

[Aristophanes]

Fuck man, now we have to start trying

I'll he helpful this phase! Lets put a Wednesday deadline on that.

I'll hold you to it

Unvote, Vote Aris

I meant the end of the day! Just got off work! Lmao

[Aristophanes]

Scum crossed d1 as well

Assuming you mean night 1....how do you get that?

Simple game mechanics which we already discussed.

If both the fire and ice mafia target the same player, their kills cancel out. Until there is only one faction left it is essentially the only way there can be no NK. The Doc can only save one person remember.

How did you miss this and the pages of discussion about it at the seat of D2??

Btw why did you respond to this and not my fos on you?

I forgot you had one.

I'll get to that in my catchup!

[Aristophanes]

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

Did we ever discuss this theory to the point of actual wagon analysis?

Gamma wagon: Transcend, Io, Not_Mafia, Rory. It died then grew again to be Transcend, Rory, nn30, and Io.
nn30 has flipped town, and Transcend did get back onto that wagon later on D2. NM didn't keep on it through the full day. Io and Rory did though. They pushed it twice (citations pending) and then dropped it cold turkey the next day. If we theorize a Gamma NK target N1, we would probably assume the scumteams were pushing him throughout the day to get the other faction lynched (should they have both shot for scum). So looking at the votes, Io/Fitz and Rory should both be mafia, but on opposing teams. This is all if Gamma was the target and the reason for the wagon drop D2 was lack of momentum from the main people who pushed it D1.

I don't know if this makes any sense, since it is a theory on a theory. But hey, it's a start!

[Aristophanes]

After reading Realeo's posts, I'll reconsider Transcend. I believe he started voting Gamma D2 after the whole "suspicion was dropped, but why!? question started circulating. It is possible he got scared and voted to show consistency in reads, and that he hadn't been influenced by a night result.

[Aristophanes]

I thought the theory of Gamma NK is stupid?

That's a hypochrite.

I also think this, but if people are gonna theorize on it, I may as well finish it.

[Aristophanes]

I think I've talked myself into this..

VOTE: Transcend

[Aristophanes]

...I was not the hammer, was I?

[Aristophanes]

...I was not the hammer, was I?

L-3

That was what I'd thought. Nice try!

[Aristophanes]

I love it when i have 3 scum on my wagon.

Except prolly not yo

[Aristophanes]

So let me get this right, the case on me is based on two notions:
1. Rory was scummy.
2. I amished.

For me it's mostly #1. I've never used the Amish tell against anyone. I can barely recall it ever even being mentioned in any of my previous games in fact.

Amished is a dumb tell and rarely works. I've been accused of it correctly once, and incorrectly about 3 times. It says more about a player's style than their alignment.

[Aristophanes]

Can I do this game tomorrow?

Spoiler:

Because Imma do this...tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

I think it's gamma and aris. Realeo is probably town and i think you might be town.

Your read on me is bunk yo

[Aristophanes]

Your self imposed deadline was 3 days ago. So Transcend and I are looking for help lynching you. You're too late. Nothing personal.

And at that point I came in, analyse some stuff, conversed and placed a vote. Was that not enough to show I am making an effort?

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and I love that application! XD

[Aristophanes]

It's also not inactivity on Aris' part here. It's lack of content in his posts. Lack of commitment to most any stances. He's posting but he's...I don't know, just existing if that makes sense. Coasting may or may not be the right word here, but it's not the same play as when he was town in this setup.

I can't really argue this, but it's still wrong.

I'll see what I can do though.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: kuroixhf

The case on him is actually worse than the one on me. Why the vote?

[Aristophanes]

Anybody who applies for the Aris wagon today will get an interview within 24 hours

Can I apply?

[Aristophanes]

Also, like, if we even had a single scum flip I'd have shit to analyse. But as it stands there is little to go on since each faction is only 2 players. 2 player factions are the hardest to crack!

[Aristophanes]

we clearly arent doing just fine if we havent lynched scum yet

[Aristophanes]

Like an amished tell on Kuroi, self-admitted lack of effort from myself and NM, and a case based on Wine and timing on Transcend.

Yeah, we're really going places.

[Aristophanes]

Because it's all poppycock and we all know it!
The sad thing is that I have nothing better to present.

So, what would you like me to do? Sit here and berate the bad cases? Make something up and push it? Like, I want to be helpful, but we're grasping at straws here and it's getting us nowhere.

[Aristophanes]

I mean if everyone is wrong then by all means show why and show who is pushing bad cases intentionally as scum and stuff like that. Like this is basic mafia. There's always something to figure out.

Ugh, fine. I'll stop being a party pooper.

Who is pushing the amished tell? Because that's actual crap on a stick.

[Aristophanes]

Is it just Fitz? Because the Fitz/Io slot has been scumread readily throughout the game, yet has only one vote. They are currently on the worst wagon.
They should probably die.

Oh lol, I just got ninja'd by the unvote

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: kmd

we might be onto something yet

Oh? Care to elaborate?

[Aristophanes]

And why do you assume Transcend is Ice Mafia specifically?

[Aristophanes]

Scum driven lynch, probably 3 on the wagon

Transcend said this pages ago.

[Aristophanes]

scum i urge you guys to crosskill

this town is hopeless

only you guys can give us a hope if these fucking morons keep lynching obv towns back to back to back

if your faction kills someone from the other faction and the other faction doesn't, then you have an advantage, i'm sure you know this, just putting it out there zzz.

quoting this

Sadly, I totally agree.
I was doing the math on what would happen if scum don't cross kill and you're town. Tomorrow is 3:2:2, which makes it hopeless (or at least far harder) for all factions. No benefit to shooting town guys!

[Aristophanes]

I'm betting he's scum, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Aristophanes]

Never count your scum before they're flipped!

[Aristophanes]

Look i town told my ass off and you guys weren't budging.

You'd better go find it then!

[Aristophanes]

Mod, please replace me.

[Aristophanes]

Look i town told my ass off and you guys weren't budging.

Why self hammer as town?

Getting to L-1 could have prompted some on your wagon to exit it. Especially if you had responded in a town like manner.

Which self hammering = not.

I'm self hammering if I get to L-1 I'm disgusted with the amount of stupidity being portrayed here. I'm not scum.

[Aristophanes]

P.edit to Ari.

It's still stupid and anti town whether it's a threat or not.

Agreed, but we should have seen it coming. He's not one to warn us about his intentions and not follow through.

[Aristophanes]

But he could make threats as town or scum. So why let them impact one's actions?

We didn't let it impact our actions, unless one of the scumteams brought him to L-1 so he would hammer.

We got him there regardless and nobody unvoted from the threat. What are you insinuating in this question? Who was impacted by the threat?

All I was saying was that we shouldn't have been surprised he self-hammered.

[Aristophanes]

You do understand that self-hammer is not always done by town, don't you?

For instance, Majiffy @ Ari's Donner Party.

Oh of course! I've self hammered as well as scum. Self hammering should only be done as scum, or at a deadline crunch as town.

However, I don't see any problem with this discussion, and I thought Fitz was going somewhere with it as opposed to just annoyed theory talk.

Fitz, whose actions do you think were effected, if any, by Transcend's threat of selfhammering?

[Aristophanes]

Fitz, whose actions do you think were effected, if any, by Transcend's threat of selfhammering?

I don't recall if anyone commented on it or not so I don't know. It obviously didn't stop me from voting him. Which was my point when you quoted his threat. I just wanted more rationale from Transcend. Annoyed or frustrated or whatever he was is no excuse if he's town. And now that he's potentially done it twice now in games I've been in with him I won't look forward to seeing him in any other games I'm in. Unless one of us is scum if course...then more power to him.

But if both of you are scum?
Back to the "not looking forward to it" thing?

[Aristophanes]

But if both of you are scum?

?

How's this.....as long as Transcend and I aren't the same alignment he can self hammer all he wants.

So, just like in this game then?

[Aristophanes]

No...any game.

I'm insinuating that you two are not of the same alignment here, and thus that you should be scum if he is in fact town. It was tongue in cheek. Please try to keep up!

[Aristophanes]

Mod, please replace me.

scum

NAI

ftfy

[Aristophanes]

Fitz looks kinda genuine this twilight.

Idk i don't really trust my reads this game.

Really? I thought he was too over the top man.

no, thats a scum sub

How do you figure?
I don't see it.

[Aristophanes]

Idk i think he's genuinely pissed off that i sh'd.

Idrc tho tbh because it was inevitable.

I suppose so.

Ah well, we're boned regardless.

[Aristophanes]

FINALLY!!!

and I don't mean the game starting up, I mean a scum flip.

[Aristophanes]

That's it?

You'll see me shine as the days go on and I can VCA properly (and by "shine" I mean "contribute more")

Too hard to VCA off your buddy's flip?

...no, I was at work lol

I'm on it now

[Aristophanes]

Judging by

• BK is so consisten scumreading havingfitz
  
• Aristophanes surprisingly also scumread havingfitz (How coincedental!)
  
• BK and Aristophanes never mentioned each other

I think Aristophanes is Ice Mafia

That's nowhere near enough to convince people if you actually believe I'm Ice.
Just fyi

[Aristophanes]

It's not the prettiest one I've ever done, but here is a coloured map of the VCs.
Sorry about the extra dud "[/color]" tags. I could get rid of them, but that's so much extra, unnecessary work!

Spoiler: D1 and Flips

Official Vote Count 1.1

Realeo (5)

:

Transcend

,

Culted

, Not_Mafia,

BK201

, havingfitz

Not_Mafia (1)

: Realeo

Akarin (1)

:

Gamma Emerald

SnarkySnowman

(1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (5)

- Joshz-slot,

nn30

, Akarin,

SnarkySnowman

, Aristophanes[/color]

Pagetop!

Official Vote Count 1.2

Gamma Emerald

(3)

:

Transcend

, havingfitz, Not_Mafia

Realeo (2)

:

Culted

,

BK201

BK201

(1)

: Joshz-slot

havingfitz (1)

:

Gamma Emerald

Not_Mafia (1)

: Realeo

SnarkySnowman

(1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (4)

-

nn30

, Akarin,

SnarkySnowman

, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.4

nn30

(2)

:

Culted

,

Transcend

Gamma Emerald

(2)

: Not_Mafia, Akarin

Transcend

(2)

:

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

Akarin (1)

: Joshz-slot

Realeo (1)

:

BK201

SnarkySnowman

(1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (4)

-

nn30

, Aristophanes, Realeo, havingfitz[/color]

Also searching for a replacement for Aristophanes as they have failed to respond to their prod

[/color]

Kmd4390 replaces Kmd4390

[/color]

Aristophanes replaces Aristophanes

[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.5

nn30

(4)

:

Culted

,

Transcend

, Joshz-slot,

BK201

Transcend

(2)

:

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

Gamma Emerald

(2)

: Not_Mafia, Akarin

Culted

(1)

:

nn30

Realeo (1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (3)

- Realeo, havingfitz, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.6

nn30

(4)

:

Culted

,

Transcend

, Joshz-slot,

BK201

Transcend

(3)

:

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

,

nn30

Joshz-slot (1)

: Akarin

Gamma Emerald

(1)

: Not_Mafia

Realeo (1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (3)

- Realeo, havingfitz, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.7

nn30

(4)

:

Culted

, Joshz-slot,

BK201

, Not_Mafia

Gamma Emerald

(2)

:

Transcend

,

nn30

Transcend

(2)

:

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

Joshz-slot (1)

: Akarin

Realeo (1)

: Kmd4390

Not Voting (3)

- Realeo, havingfitz, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.8

nn30

(4)

:

Culted

,

BK201

, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390

Akarin (2)

: Joshz-slot, havingfitz

Gamma Emerald

(2)

:

Transcend

,

nn30

Transcend

(2)

:

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

Joshz-slot (1)

: Akarin

Not Voting (2)

- Realeo, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.9

nn30

(5)

:

Culted

, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390,

SnarkySnowman

,

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(4)

:

Transcend

, Akarin,

nn30

, havingfitz

Akarin (2)

: Joshz-slot,

BK201

Transcend

(1)

: Realeo

Not Voting (1)

- Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.10

nn30

(5)

:

Culted

, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390,

SnarkySnowman

,

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(4)

:

Transcend

, Akarin,

nn30

, havingfitz

Akarin (2)

: Joshz-slot,

BK201

Not Voting (2)

- Aristophanes, Realeo[/color]

Official Vote Count 1.11

[/color]

nn30

(7)

:

Culted

, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390,

SnarkySnowman

,

Gamma Emerald

,

BK201

,

Transcend

[/color]

BK201

(2)

: havingfitz,

nn30

Gamma Emerald

(1)

: Akarin

Akarin (1)

: Joshz-slot

Not Voting (2)

- Aristophanes, Realeo[/color]

The angry townsfolk took

nn30

from his house and dragged him to the town square, where, in the absence of a gallows, they strung him up from a particularly tall lamppost. Shame we can't all get on, isn't it?

nn30

, a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched

Night 1 begins now. You have (expired on 2016-12-21 17:04:20) to submit your acthavingfitzns[/color]

The next morning, the sun rose on the town and the townsfolk begun going about their business. Apparently, the mafia had not struck in the night.

There was

no nightkill

[/color]

Spoiler: D2 and Flips

Official Vote Count 2.1

BK201

(2)

- havingfitz, Joshz-slot

Akarin (2)

-

BK201

,

Transcend

Not Voting (8)

-

Gamma Emerald

, Kmd4390, Akarin,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia, Realeo,

Culted

, Aristophanes[/color]

Official Vote Count 2.2

SnarkySnowman

(2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz-slot

Kmd4390 (1)

-

Transcend

BK201

(1)

- havingfitz

Akarin (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (7)

-

Gamma Emerald

, Akarin,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia,

Culted

, Aristophanes, Realeo[/color]

Don't steal my pagetops

Official Vote Count 2.3

BK201

(2)

- havingfitz,

Culted

SnarkySnowman

(2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz-slot

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Realeo

Kmd4390 (1)

-

Transcend

Akarin (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (5)

-

Gamma Emerald

, Akarin,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia, Aristophanes[/color]

havingfitz replaces havingfitz

Official Vote Count 2.4

BK201

(3)

-

Culted

, Aristophanes, Akarin

SnarkySnowman

(2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz-slot

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Realeo

Kmd4390 (1)

-

Transcend

Akarin (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (4)

-

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia, havingfitz[/color]

Searching for a replacement for Akarin

Official Vote Count 2.5

BK201

(4)

- havingfitz,

Culted

, Aristophanes, Akarin

Akarin (2)

-

BK201

,

Transcend

SnarkySnowman

(2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz-slot

Aristophanes (1)

- Realeo

Not Voting (3)

-

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia[/color]

Akarin replaces Akarin

[/color]

Official Vote Count 2.6

SnarkySnowman

(3)

- Kmd4390, Akarin, Joshz-slot

BK201

(3)

- havingfitz,

Culted

, Aristophanes

Akarin (1)

-

BK201

Aristophanes (1)

- Realeo

Not Voting (4)

-

Gamma Emerald

,

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia,

Transcend

[/color]

Official Vote Count 2.7

SnarkySnowman

(5)

- Kmd4390, Akarin, Joshz-slot, Aristophanes, havingfitz

BK201

(1)

-

Culted

Transcend

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1)

-

Transcend

havingfitz (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (2)

-

SnarkySnowman

, Not_Mafia, Realeo[/color]

Official Vote Count 2.8

[/color]

SnarkySnowman

(7)

- Kmd4390, Akarin, Joshz-slot, Aristophanes, havingfitz, Realeo, Not_Mafia[/color]

BK201

(1)

-

Culted

Transcend

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1)

-

Transcend

havingfitz (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (1)

-

SnarkySnowman

[/color]

The townsfolk gathered outside the town hall with pitchforks and torches and varhavingfitzus other weapons.

SnarkySnowman

, surrounded by his own neighbours, was hit over the head with a baseball bat.

SnarkySnowman

, a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched

Night 2 begins now. You have (expired on 2017-01-02 09:55:02) to submit your acthavingfitzns[/color]

The sky was overcast next morning as the townsfolk awoke and began going about their business. But the peace was shattered by cries of shock as one townie came to

Culted

's house, which had been burnt to the ground in the night with it's owner trapped inside.

Culted

, a [/color]

Town Doctor

, has been burnt[/color]

Spoiler: D3 and Flips

Official Vote Count 3.1

Akarin (2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz-slot

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

Transcend

, Not_Mafia

Transcend

(1)

- Akarin

BK201

(1)

- havingfitz

havingfitz (1)

-

BK201

Not Voting (3)

-

Gamma Emerald

, Realeo, Aristophanes[/color]

What up

Official Vote Count 3.2

Akarin (3)

- Joshz-slot,

BK201

, havingfitz

Transcend

(3)

- Realeo, Aristophanes,

Gamma Emerald

Realeo (2)

- Akarin,

Transcend

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Not_Mafia

Aristophanes (1)

- Kmd4390

Not Voting (0)

[/color]

Official Vote Count 3.3

Transcend

(3)

- Realeo, Aristophanes,

Gamma Emerald

Akarin (2)

-

BK201

, havingfitz

Not_Mafia (1)

- Joshz-slot

havingfitz (1)

-

Transcend

Realeo (1)

- Akarin

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Not_Mafia

Aristophanes (1)

- Kmd4390

Not Voting (0)

[/color]

Official Vote Count 3.4

Transcend

(4)

- Realeo, Aristophanes,

Gamma Emerald

,

BK201

Aristophanes (2)

- Kmd4390,

Transcend

BK201

(1)

- Joshz-slot

Akarin (1)

- havingfitz

Realeo (1)

- Akarin

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Not_Mafia

Not Voting (0)

[/color]

Official Vote Count 3.5

[/color]

Transcend

(6)

- Realeo, Aristophanes,

Gamma Emerald

,

BK201

, havingfitz,

Transcend

Aristophanes (1)

- Kmd4390

Kmd4390 (1)

- Joshz-slot

Realeo (1)

- Akarin

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Not_Mafia

Not Voting (0)

[color]

On the third evening, the bloodthirsty and fearful townspeople dragged

Transcend

from his home to the cemetery on the edge of town, where they threw him into a grave next to

SnarkySnowman

and piled the earth on top.

Transcend

, a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched

Night will begin once a replacement for Akarin has been found

Edit: Am now also searching for a replacement for Joshz-slot[/color]

Akarin replaces Akarin. Still searching for a replacement for the other slot.

[/color]

The sky was an evil shade the next morning, ominous and foreboding. And it was not long before someone came across the night's first casualty:

Gamma Emerald

had been found, locked into an ice cream freezer outside the cafe and left to freeze. And just when the townies had gotten over that shock, a scream was heard: it appeared

BK201

had been pushed into a large bonfire, burnt beyond recognithavingfitzn.

Gamma Emerald

, a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

, has been frozen

BK201

, an [/color]

Ice Mafia Goon

, has been burnt[/color]

[Aristophanes]

What is the point of that without the analysis?

Analysis to come!
But I put it here so others can analyse it as well. Duh! XD

[Aristophanes]

So, BK/Joshz, BK/Realeo, and BK/Fitz seem extremely unlikely.
This means Ice Mafia is in KMD, Akarin, and NM.

This is part one of many small analyses I'll make. Going to bed now though.

[Aristophanes]

So, BK/Joshz, BK/Realeo, and BK/Fitz seem extremely unlikely.
This means Ice Mafia is in KMD, Akarin, and NM.

This is part one of many small analyses I'll make. Going to bed now though.

Why do I make sense as Ice Mafia? I thought I was supposed to be FIRE MAFIA?

I don't believe o made any differentiation between fire and ice mafias until this point actually.

[Aristophanes]

It's 930. I live in Cali.

You guys are leaving the states soon anyway, no? #CalExit2017

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?
Isn't this like the perfect time to take out scum for you?

I know you mean me, even if you're wrong. I'll take a stance tn, how's that?

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?
Isn't this like the perfect time to take out scum for you?

I know you mean me, even if you're wrong. I'll take a stance tn, how's that?

Where's the

promised

analytical brain?

It's coming!

I have a busier schedule this year than expected, so I have limited time and multiple games. I'm trying hard not to replace out from any, but that means delayed reading, stances, and analysis.

Once these begin to wrap up I aim to have a 2 game max, with one on the go and the second slit reserved for ones I just can't resist even if I shouldn't.

But for now, please just bare with me!

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?

Ye! What's your case @ havingfitz.

What are you asking for here?

Realeo thinks You were the Ice Mafia Alisae alluded to. I am though.

So...nothing?

[Aristophanes]

If we lynch Not_mafia, do you think Aristophanes will sort one of them out for us overnight?

I don't know if it's because you're scum that you're pushing this narrative, but I'm beginning to think so.

[Aristophanes]

Light
Going camping this weekend, gonna be full V/LA until Monday

everyone else, I'll see if I can do this while at work. I'm sure it will get quiet at some point.
I'm really, really sorry I haven't contributed enough. It's unfair, but I'll make the wait worth it in the end!

[Aristophanes]

So what you're saying is that there no point doing analysis and that KMD & Realeo are the scum. Isn't that fantastic.

[Aristophanes]

So, Fitz dues today and we have a real conundrum.

If I shoot VT KMD, and Realeo shoots me, we lose and Realeo wins. If Realeo and I both go for the VT shot on KMD, he cannot win, as we I'll vote each other tomorrow making a Kingmaker scenario for KMD. If I shoot Realeo, he will either go for the KMD VT shot and lose or make a shot at me and lose.

So Realeo, here is what I suggest to you.
Shoot KMD. I also will shoot KMD.This is the best shot at fulfilling your wincon.

I promise I will shoot him tonight. If you shoot me, so be it. But if you shoot him, we can have a proper D6 where we both have a chance! It is the fair and respectful thing to do, and will make for a fantastic final showdown.

Yes, I could be bluffing and in theory could shoot you tonight, but I am a an of honour and I hope you will respect that. If you trust me, shoot KMD. If you do not trust me, then I don't trust you and we will both lose.

[Aristophanes]

Tl;dr

@Realeo
If you want to have a chance at winning, Shoot KMD tonight.

You don't have to claim scum as I have if you don't want to, but please confirm this is your plan by either hammering Fitz, or by acknowledging this post.

[Aristophanes]

Fucking solid pagetop!!

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Fitz

Thanks Realeo!
I'm glad we could with this out!

[Aristophanes]

I feel so betrayed!

Realeo, why did you end up shooting me!?

Also, there was no happily ever after. If this had been the plan, KMD would have been a Kingmaker, as I noted, because each Faction's role PM states they must eliminate the other scum faction

AND

make up 50% of the living playerbase.

[Aristophanes]

I'm so sad you didn't make this happen! I think it was one of my finest Gambits!

Congrats on the win though!

[Aristophanes]

Congrats on the win though!

Oh wait...

[Aristophanes]

So Realeo's dishonesty cost him and town.
I knew both scum wouldn't comply. Sure...kmd was a given with Ari's gambit but Realeo failed to follow despite his assurances. Lol

Ari...not sure your gambit helped or not given scums' likelihood to not follow agreements. I guess either way had the same chance of working.

Ah well....gg.
Thanks for the game mod.

I mean, I could have fought KMD and claimed VT, but I had at least one shot aimed with the way I did it. I knew KMD had to shoot Realeo. I just had to convince Realeo to shoot KMD, which I thought I had.

Oh well!
I had a lot of fun! =D

[Aristophanes]

I also was musing whether you'd shoot yourself, which would have honestly been hilarious! XD

I have no clue what we would have done, as I'd be confscum town and you'd be conftown scum. I'd be Kingmaker but nobody realized it.

Like, actually too funny man!

[Aristophanes]

You made a good call man!
#Respect

And sorry Realeo, for putting you into this situation!
I hope you had fun!

[Aristophanes]

@Deadthread, glad I put on a good show, even if it didn't turn out as planned!

[Aristophanes]

I think Realeo truely believed Ari's claim LOL

I think so too, which is hilarious! XD

KMD staying quiet was interesting. I liked that he tried to outguess Realeo once he'd figured out who the real scum was (I couldn't help it, Realeo answered all the right questions) and it worked out in his favour to have Realeo believe me.

[Aristophanes]

Gamma, I think I just realized that a NL would have been optimal.
Shit.

[Aristophanes]

Oh yeah, I see the problem with my mental math now.

Made the right call

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I had figured out right when the last day started that Fitz was town.

I didn't even consider a selflynch, and had no way to know both scum knew Fitz was town

[Aristophanes]

Very true, Transcend. You have a valid point!

And Realeo, I wasn't banking on naivety,but honour among thieves!