Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:14 pm

In post 1931, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1921, Akarin wrote:If we lynch Not_mafia, do you think Aristophanes will sort one of them out for us overnight?
I don't know if it's because you're scum that you're pushing this narrative, but I'm beginning to think so.

Talk with me. What do you think?

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:15 pm

In post 1940, Alisae wrote:Now you're implying that I said that's 100% the case.

If it's not 100%, there is a second thing that makes it 100%.

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:16 pm

*cough* N_M KMD *cough*

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:19 pm

In post 1913, Akarin wrote:The way the wagon falls apart doesn't read like scum trying to save their buddy

Thank you! I was trying to said that.

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:31 pm

@Akarin

So fitz is Ice Mafia or Fire Mafia? Because at one point, you asked about whether Aristo will sort that out and at one point, you said fitz is distancing from BK.

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:34 pm

In post 1933, Kmd4390 wrote:<- won't be hammering. still think not mafia is town. Anyone got a case saying otherwise or is it just "lol not saying much so scum"?

My case that NM is not serious is not enough?

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:55 pm

In post 1898, Kmd4390 wrote:By this logic, I should be voting you or havingfitz. My first suspect list was you/nn/culted/lo if I'm not mistaken. I added in one of rory/josh after nn's flip, BK's rory case, and josh's obsession over the idea that rory was the NK. You need a reread if you think otherwise.

No. You misread my case. The keyword here is consistency.

You said that you scumread rory since D2 right? I find it hard to believe that you scumread rory

for 3 consecutive days

but make no serious attempt to make rory a wagon contender.

Realeo · Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:02 pm

@havingfitz: What do you think of my case of NM/KMD or KMD/Kuroi

Realeo · Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:30 am

I would like to take a moment of silent as we're approaching a new hope

appocalypse

#DonaldTrump

Realeo · Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:49 am

If NM flips scum, and I don't see a reason why it's not impossible, I don't think Akarin/Kuroi is possible scum partern of NM.

Alisae? I haven't really check her/him. I never scumread him, but given his basis is VC 1.1, I have to reconsider bussing. I find the false dichotomy confusing.

Realeo · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:18 am

BOOM! I Post before the flip!

Realeo · Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:19 am

Donald Trump just finished his speech.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:48 pm

Game theory dictates that I should shoot you

However

VOTE: fitz

Yeah. Deal.

I shoot Kmd. You shoot fitz.

Fitz was the NK target.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:50 pm

In post 1965, havingfitz wrote:Scum seriously have sucked shooting. Pathetic.

N4 kill is intentional.

Aristo needs badly to shoot town to remotely have any chance to win.

In another side of the coin, If I shoot Aristo, I cannot push mislynch with presence of Alisae.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:53 pm

In post 1974, Aristophanes wrote:Shoot KMD. I also will shoot KMD

What the hell is this. Mafia cross kill cancel each other!

I shoot KMD. You shoot fitz.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:55 pm

Don't you remember N1?

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:58 pm

From everyone, why we agree to shoot Io?

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:13 pm

Oh wait. fitz is dead so lol. Yeah. I have to shoot Kmd.

@Kmd

We shoot you. The kills cancel. We lynch you.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:14 pm

In post 1991, Kmd4390 wrote:So which of you is fire and which is ice?

Alisae was bullseye. I was Fire.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:40 pm

In post 1995, Kmd4390 wrote:I'm assuming you've already asked the Mod and it's both scum teams win though?

Better.

I checked the wiki.

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:41 pm

Our winning goal is to be 1/2 of the size of the people.

In a {Aristo,Realeo}, both wins since both is 1/2 of the size of the people, which is 2 x 1/2 = 1

Realeo · Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:42 pm

In post 1996, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Fitz

Thanks Realeo!
I'm glad we could with this out!

If you betray, I'm trashing your GTKAS.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:14 am

In post 2003, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1999, Realeo wrote:Our winning goal is to be 1/2 of the size of the people.
This is absurd. You're half the size of the people now.

2 scum out of 4 people. And yet it's not game over.

And if you meant half the size of town...that's absurd too.

Realeo is full of shit Ari.

You 2 need to shoot each other because at least one of you will be.

The half of our own people.

Fire Mafia is now 1/4.

Ice Mafia is now 1/4.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:17 am

fitz is lynched.

Down to {Aristo, Realeo, KMD}

we kill KMD. Cancel.

Fire mafia is now controlling 1/3. Ice mafia is now controlling 1/3.

lynch KMD, down to {Aristo,Realeo}

Fire mafia is now controlling 1/2. Ice mafia is now controlling 1/2.

Win-Win

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:18 am

In post 2003, havingfitz wrote:Realeo is full of shit Ari.

You realize that Ari invites me to share victory, so you're supposed to invite me to betray Ari, not

vice versa

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:48 am

In post 2007, havingfitz wrote:
In post 2006, Realeo wrote:
In post 2003, havingfitz wrote:Realeo is full of shit Ari.
You realize that Ari invites me to share victory, so you're supposed to invite me to betray Ari, not
vice versa

Because he's inviting you to do something ensures both of you will adhere to it?

Yes.

Because despite, mathemathically, I should shoot Ari, psychologically speaking, however, people more likely to trust.

This Ari v Realeo is called Prisoners Dillema and this psychological paper says that the more critical the stake, the more likely them to cooperate

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:52 am

Wait. Wrong research.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:04 am

To be honest, half of the reason I trust him is his username : Aristophanes who is a play writer on morality.

If the ice mafia is not Aristophanes, but Machiavelli.....whose motto is "The end justify the means", I won't hammer that.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:17 am

I assume you are Trump supporter.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:25 am

@Aristo

Let me put it this way.

It is very possible for me to push for No Lynch. With 2-1-1, I can no kill, creating a death trap for you if you betray.

To be more specific, if I push a No Lynch, decided to no kill and you kill me, it would be 2-1 and with you (literally) scum claimed, it's over.

The fact that I waived the chance to form a death trap with my vote is my commitment.

Thank you.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:26 am

And the fact, that you also waive your chance, go to the extra effort by making it big and page top, is your commitment for me.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:51 pm

In post 2025, Kmd4390 wrote:AND I'd suicided

Light said it was illegal

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:52 pm

In post 2035, Alisae wrote:I think Realeo truely believed Ari's claim LOL

I don't believe his Ari's claim. I do scumread him.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:53 pm

In post 2023, havingfitz wrote:So Realeo's dishonesty cost him and town.

If I was honest, is still cost me and them. Stop trying to paint me like an antagonist.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:56 pm

To be fair and light_gangski can proofed this, I was actually contemplating for no kill because I do want to share victory with Aristotaphes.

So Aris, I saved you from being looked like a moron in 3 way lylo :p

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:00 pm

In post 2041, Realeo wrote:To be fair and light_gangski can proofed this, I was actually contemplating for no kill because I do want to share victory with Aristotaphes.

So Aris, I saved you from being looked like a moron in 3 way lylo :p

I mean, 2 way deadlo.

Anyway. This was my logic. If Aris and me going to shoot KMD, then it will cancel. Why I do need to shoot at it then?

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:10 pm

In post 2019, light_ganski wrote:Mafia PTs will be released in 24 hours if no one objects

May I object?

We didn't pick up the doc tell, to be fair. We were "pick someone' townread and hope this someone is bad at scumhunting and his townread is scum"....and they flip doctor.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:06 pm

I think it's an excellent game overall.

The top prize is SS promising to catch up despite being lynched. It's something that would make me nostalgic.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:14 pm

In post 2050, BK201 wrote:@Fire Mafia - Why did you choose to NK me? Or is that why you don't want to release your PT, Realeo?

We (specifically I) don't want to release why we NK culted.

For you, we can tell that we thought it's awkard why you are so stubborn at Gamma. We went, "Ah--Gamma is your scum partner. That's why you say he's town." We then think that it would be easier to mislynch Gamma instead of BK...

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:16 pm

It's ironic that in D1, that I decided to NK KMD, and it's vetoed by NM (to yours trusly Io =])and in D3, we're battling on either to NK KMD or NK BK.

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:18 pm

Let me put it this way. I'm ok if the PT is released if the reasoning why we should NK culted is deleted.

#censorship #ButAtTheSameTimeIDon'tWantToPissoffPeople

Realeo · Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:39 pm

In post 2054, BK201 wrote:You want to keep a possible doc tell you used secret, that's understandable.

No. NM can swear for me that it's not doc tell.

It's just that the time to make enemy is over...when the game is over. The game is over so let's not open any chance of making enemy.

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:44 am

I think if Aris self lynched, scum would have known who each other were, and possibly crosskilled, unless they wanted a draw.

CORRECT!

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:46 am

The problem is, Ari did not know who is the nk target. If the nk target didn't happen in first place, it may actually work.

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:47 am

Hold on a second. What would happen if Ari didn't gambit?

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:49 am

Unlucky =/

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:51 am

Although, serves you right for actually "crossing finger on me being naive" instead of "crossing finger on me being greedy" =] How naive are you to think that I'm naive?

Realeo · Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:57 am

If Aristo self-lynch, me and KMD would push for no lynch. KMD had to pretend that "it doesn't feels right" and I do feel it doesn't feels right.