Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[davesaz]

I'm neither Masons with RC nor Lovers with NM, btw.

Thanks for the latitude, fellas.

What you posted was patently impossible given the setup. I was interested to see who might bite on it though.

[davesaz]

I see nothing in the wiki about the newly drawn role coming from the discards. I would expect it to come from the remaining undealt cards.

Pedit: since the game originated with an actual card deck, I'll stick with my interpretation but the moddra may have chosen to randomize it differently than this interpretation.

[davesaz]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
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wait for it.
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... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Please explain your motivation for revealing it.

[davesaz]

Let's get this party started!

I'm Masons with RadiantCowbells and Lovers with Not_Mafia.

Crazy, I know.

Interested in hearing what you expected to find out from doing this.

[davesaz]

While the table is cool, I miss the ability to copy/paste, so here's the playerlist as of now. If I can remember to iso myself then this will help, otherwise perhaps not...

alban
bangthemafia
Charloux
culted
davesaz
-Grey-
Kop
Not_Mafia
RadiantCowbells replaced KainTepes
Secret Agent Jin
Spade_Ace
Vaxkiller replaced DiamondSentinel

Probably the slowest starting game I've seen in a while. What's up with that?

[davesaz]

Interested in hearing what you expected to find out from doing this.

I expected to elicit comments which had more content than merely quoting the question.

How did you think it was going to catch scum? I don't see much AI coming from it.

[davesaz]

Two non-VLA slots have made one post each, and another two haven't posted at all. I find this interesting that 1/3 of the game can be that quiet and I'm the only one in the 2/3 willing to comment about it.

Pedit: I don't see it, care to elaborate?

[davesaz]

I have read every word and do not have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

[davesaz]

VOTE: -Grey

[davesaz]

I suppose a pleasant conversation where people actually answer questions and discuss their point of view is too much to ask.

[davesaz]

There's a huge difference between repeating and explaining. You haven't explained anything.

[davesaz]

Oh.

I think NM is lyncher on me.

If he's a lyncher, we can just ignore him.

We need to find scum, not impotent third party.

Counteroffer:

He's blatantly acting like 3p lyncher on me in order to mask the fact that he's actually scum and lead us to that point of view.

If he's 3rd party he's a non-town and a valuable lynch anyway. let's get rid of him.

Why is this the most important thing to focus on now?

[davesaz]

I do not see an explanation.
I never lie about something like that.
Even if you think you did, I don't see it.

[davesaz]

Let's just lynch Grey.

[davesaz]

I am not unvoting Not_Mafia as long as they are alive.

That's a very untown point of view.

[davesaz]

Let's just lynch Grey.

Sorry about your luck, I'm not getting lynched.

Start acting town, and maybe you won't need to be.
The additional rolefishing is noted, and rejected.

[davesaz]

And I'm 2/2 with accidental pagetops. Can't buy one when I'm trying to get them.

[davesaz]

When did i say its NAI in my post? I just said that why would town claim so early and expose other townies too. Having said this, I dont really think its AI. But my point is that I haf not voiced that in my post and you dont know me so how did you conclude that?

BECAUSE YOU VOTED THE DUDE I CLAIMED TO BE MASONS WITH, GENIUS

An early mason claim like that is far more likely to be fake. If fake it's likely to be ignored, and if it's ignored, then voting the claimed partner is NAI.

I'm strongly leaning toward Grey's fakeclaim being an actual rolefish and not just a joke.

[davesaz]

It's also a pot meets kettle moment, Grey chastising people for failing to / refusing to answer, when he did the same thing to me.

[davesaz]

I am town though so

Well shit man, why didn't you say so in the first place?!

I was busy talking about other people's alignments. Don't worry I got you covered now fam.

We ride together.
We die together.
Bad boys for life.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

@bang, you stopped too soon

[davesaz]

What makes NM towny?

[davesaz]

Charloux's scum

Because?

[davesaz]

@Lowell -- our paths have crossed only tangentially as far as I can tell, so I'll give you a little slack on misreading me. Though you did say it was digging deep.
Coaching? Not sure what you see that could be interpreted as such...

@Thread -- 11 hour day yesterday, but it looks like I forgot to mention it here. Some catchup required.
Generally, too much speculation on what discards might mean is bad. It is better to have your opinion and act on it, than it is to discuss openly and in depth. TYVM.

[davesaz]

You really want to help scum know who to kill first, go ahead and run me up.

[davesaz]

@Thread -- 11 hour day yesterday, but it looks like I forgot to mention it here. Some catchup required.

I never lie about RL.

[davesaz]

24 hr LA

[davesaz]

? @ dave

What's the question?

[davesaz]

That's a heck of an event to catch up to. Facepalm / told you so moment, on reading too much into discards.
RC gave a pretty decent PR tell. I don't see a town vig being willing to risk that kind of shot so early on such thin reasoning. I think Charloux is scum - it would not be policy for me.
I don't know the VC so don't know if the L-1 is accurate. Willing to hammer.

[davesaz]

And yes, I know it's effectively role madness, RC gave a

good

PR tell.

[davesaz]

Obvious frame job.

[davesaz]

You won't be lynching me.

[davesaz]

Post #520 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:41 pm (my post saying I'm willing to hammer)

Post #526 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:26 pm (Lowell)

Anyone care if I hammer here? I can wait until tomorrow but I like hammers so no one jump me on this one.

Post #527 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:30 pm (Grey)

Hammer away.

Answer:

1. Playstyle. After giving intent I give people time to talk unless deadline is right there.

2. To the best of my recollection I was playing Dungeon Crawl those 3 hours. Not like it's an urgent matter anyway, right?

3. If I had hammered, you morons would be calling it a bus anyway

[davesaz]

It's obviously a frame given his parting words. Though it should be so transparently a frame that nobody should buy it.
But at a much higher level than this, think a little bit about what I've said all game and realize that town is much better off if you take me permanently off the table.

[davesaz]

I agree with the observations on Spade_Ace. I saw 485/487 last night when trying to switch to offense mode but ran out of gas.
VOTE: Spade_Ace

I'm sick, have been the past couple days. Enough to make it harder to concentrate. The dayquil/nyquil helps but the resulting buzz does not.

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:
I'm awake enough to see that.
I'm not sure it's not a fakeclaim though. It would be far better to claim it right away, to keep town from targeting and getting culted. Scum could fakeclaim that because it will permanently take them off the night target list (unless there is someone who wants to be cult) and town will prefer to not lynch a semi-confirmed player. I think this needs discussion. I don't know if I'm all there, if you get what I mean.

[davesaz]

I agree, best play for someone with that role (other than revealing up front but what's done is done).

[davesaz]

Btw unrelated, i did make a poor targeting choice. Antitown to say more at this time.

[davesaz]

Hmm, do you reveal this now because you think it's in our best interest to lynch you immediately to get the numbers advantage?

[davesaz]

words

[davesaz]

I hope there will be more. Got out of the office before 5:30 and not "scheduled" for work this weekend which may leave some time to actually think & post.

[davesaz]

Grey, did you case bang? Between being sick and having to work sick i don't remember. I will try to update reads when we get home from dinner. Too hard on phone. Thankks.

Pedit don't like nm last few posts but again will concentrate more when home.

[davesaz]

843 is the TL; DR of my case.

I see your case, but reading bang's iso with no preset alignment and making no assumptions about

correctness

, it looks reasonably towny to me.
I'm willing to go back to the "red flags" in context to see if a scum motivation is more apparent in that light.

[davesaz]

VOTE: grey
For the most part i was rdy for this days ago but wanted to see the bang interaction unfold.

[davesaz]

@Dave,
In dead PT, your post #22 reads-

Sorry Lowell, I didn't read your "on me" as investigative or I would have doc'd you.
Doc'd Grey both nights

I've gotta do better at ignoring being scumread when I'm a PR. I keep forgetting that it's what I want in that situation

Can you please explain? Why would you as PR want to be scumread? Is it so that scum feel u r a good lynchbait and don't NK you?

Didnt anyone from scum faction (or even town) notice my breadcrumbing?

Yes, that's right. I want to be plausible as a lynch so that scum will keep me around. What usually happens is that I get annoyed at being scumread for playstyle and then overreact.