Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[BK201]

VOTE: PenguinPower

Ice Mafia with SnarkySnowman.

[BK201]

VOTE: BK201

Fire Mafia with Rory

I don't get it. Roy Mustang maybe? BK201 uses electricity though, not fire.

My name may be Ice related but I've never rolled Ice in this setup

Until now? Or are you Fire?

VOTE: BK201

Slimy

Salty from last game? No really you have to forgive me though.

[BK201]

Does anyone have a good strategy for this set-up? Is there anyway we can take advantage of the Fire and Ice NKs canceling each other out, maybe a way to make it more likely that they do so?

[BK201]

Just suggesting people share any ideas on how to semi-break the game. Of course it's up to scum, but I was thinking Doctor claiming at some point would cause a dilemma for both scum teams since they would both want to NK the same target. Not right now, but at some point in the game it might be safer that the Doctor is out in the open causing both Mafia kills to fizzle on him, rather than leave it up to luck and be NK'd.

[BK201]

@light

It's not clear whether or not Doctor can target himself. It doesn't say he can't, so which is it?

[BK201]

@Transcend, your Wiki is outdated. It says you have your record on your sig, which you do not.

[BK201]

VOTE: culted

[BK201]

VOTE: Realeo

[BK201]

VOTE: Realeo

This is your formal invitation to become powertown with me.

Do you accept?

Select all that apply

[] Yes
[] No
[] Maybe
[] Applesauce

I completely agree with your case on Realeo, but I cannot consider anyone town just for lynching scum since this is multi-ball.
But yes I choose Applesauce.

[BK201]

Lol thanks.

[BK201]

VOTE: Realeo

Saw his name a lot so gud vote.

Elaborate.

I am not confident you are scum, though it is one of my stronger reads atm

Why is Io one of your stronger scum reads?

Because he's just voting the person he noticed while skimming

THAT IS SUCH A REACH BRO

I disagree.

rv -> shitpost -> setup discussion -> two naked votes -> #93 which felt like a weird reply to me and prompted this vote initially -> filler

Explain to me how my votes are naked? And what about my reply to #93 is weird to you? And weird = scummy?

[BK201]

VOTE: culted

VOTE: Realeo

I voted Culted right after he posted a couple things, it should be obvious my vote was reflective on those posts. And if you read my next post or two after my current vote, you can clearly see I have reasons. So how can you ignore that and act like my current vote is 'naked'? Also you should answer my question you ignored. No offense, but are you new or something?

[BK201]

Trying to make me look scummy by misrepping me is scummy.

VOTE: Josh

[BK201]

yeah okay, I see where you're coming from now.

VOTE: realeo

[BK201]

Trying to make me look scummy by misrepping me is scummy.

VOTE: Josh

Bad vote

[BK201]

Hold on a second. Isnt gamma emerald one of those "on impulse player"?

That incentivizing bad thinggy prolly nai.

I don't like this post.

UNVOTE:

I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?

What is this about?

[BK201]

Do I dissappoint you?

What's the point in asking this question?

[BK201]

UNVOTE:

I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?

What is this about?

[BK201]

Do I dissappoint you?

What's the point in asking this question?

I take that as a yes.

You have yet to have the power to disappoint me. I would have to really think you're town and then find out you're scum in order for that to happen. This bares no relevance to anything, so there really was no point in asking me this filler question.

UNVOTE:

I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?

What is this about?

This game is meta heavy so I am making meta comparison and looking for meta validation.

I understand that. Tell me about the meta you're referencing.

[BK201]

realeo might be lynchbait

gamma's just scum

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. And for some reason I feel like you just like lynching Gamma on Day 1 since you got him in open 658. Why is Realeo lynchbait? You like to use that word.

Realeo is just, can't really think of the word right now drawing blanks, regardless I'm the same way so I don't see it as scummy since I do that just always. Literally the only somewhat scummy thing I can think of him is the somewhat defense of gamma which doesn't even strike me as scummy because I don't see him the type to avoid busing and white knighting as scum.

FOS Io. And all I'm going to say is I could see anybody avoid busing in this set-up.

[BK201]

Sheeping is bad. Therefore, I scum read Bk201.

Sheeping is scummy. Scum must have sheeped onto the Culted wagon. Let's look for the guy who sheeped.

Golden retrievers were clearly not taught to read where you're from.

This is less game-solving and more ... game-shaping (?) Can't think of a better word.

What is that even supposed to mean? Game-shaping?

@Peanut gallery/Gamma (since you tend to answer me) - how exactly am I supposed to scum hunt in this game? Scum can scum hunt (since there's another team to look for). Usually I try and figure out who's trying to solve the game but that's kinda not gonna work here.

I suppose I could look for who's defending one another... That may be worth a little more in this setup than in a simple TvS setup.

Just look for people whose actions don't fit a town objective. See if someone hunts a certain team, for one.

I don't think hunting for someone hunting for a specific team is realistic. I'm wondering if you actually believe that. FOS Gamma.

VOTE: NN Town reads Transcend only to OMGUS scum-read him when Transcend votes for him.

[BK201]

Everyone scumreads me for no apparent reason
At least two of those losers are scum.

applause.

What do you think about my case on NN?

[BK201]

Like at one point, nn30 punish play style and at one point seems more understanding to play style? I don't have problem with him punishing or understanding, because that can be nn30 play style--but the two approach seems contradictory. Maybe this is Appeal To Newbieness but??

Do you find that scummy?

[BK201]

And for your case BK, that "OMGUS" is not mutually exclusive come from scum.

I mean, BK201, do you scum read N_M? Because he OMGUSed me back in early game. I don't see exact distinction between N_M' omgus and NN'omgus

Transcend is a town read - I meta dove him a while ago and this feels like his town game.

NN goes from a town-read based on "meta dive"....

@Town - If I get lynched in the next ~5 hours, look to Transcend and Culted.

Transcend's rainbow bs read list reeks of trying too hard and his read on me reeks of trying to turn me into lynchbait.

Only to throw that all of that out when Transcend votes him. Like Trancend's town meta = he doesn't vote NN, or what? It just seems like bullshit. And the line about acting like he is going to get lynched just seems like an unauthentic transition, just being dramatic so he doesn't get lynched.

[BK201]

You said you meta-dove me.
My only meta is ongoing games.

NN is flailing.

[BK201]

Rory ISO looks bad.

[BK201]

NN-Rory Team

[BK201]

I wouldn't be so bold as to just watch my partner get lynched in this set-up, especially so early.

[BK201]

Firebringer bussed his partner in the FNI i hosted.

He won.

However, i wouldn't bus my partner either. At least, this early.

He's lucky the other mafia didn't get a lucky NK on him, or get lynched since you're not conf town for bussing your partner in this set-up.

[BK201]

Course i did bus the mod in this game on day 1 but she got dayvigged. I was planning to unvote. ;-;

You know that makes zero sense, let's stay on topic. NN is scum. Rory possible partner. I think Rory is scummy even without looking for connections to NN.

[BK201]

Hey guys, I'm on the tail-end of a pretty bad fever. Will get caught up today.

[BK201]

1. Skimmed it
2. K
3. Bs

See? Willful ignorance.

You're scum or town with conf bias goggles on.

Which is it?

I guess I'm scum because I'm not confbiasing you.

I've tried to see you as town, i really have.

It's just not happening.

*shrug*

I've done all I can to convince you.

Lynch me then.

AtE

Errrr you sound upset that i fos you

Yet you're voting me and your death wish is for me to get lynched

Why does me voting you upset you

Because I'm town.

And town getting mislynched goes against our win con.

Your push on me dismisses my defense as BS.

My final wish is that you get lynched because I think you're scum pushing on me.

The 'I've done all I can to convince you' line should have been explicitly directed at town rather than you.

AtE + implying that Transcend (the person you are voting) and yourself have the same wincon. I think this is a scumslip. In the next post NN unvotes Transcend because he probably realized how what he just posted is scummy given the situation.

BK, can you be more specific about Rory? What in his ISO looks bad? Also, I was waiting for gamma to answer you first because it was directed at him, but after the first scum flip, you can find scum hunting only one team. Before that, not so much.

His defense of NN felt off to me so I looked at his ISO. All he is doing is defending people, and defending himself. If you defend someone they are more likely to town-read you. He does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting.

Spoiler:

I don't get the Transcend Wagon

I'm not convinced Snarky is scum.

rory u can't be everyone's friend btw

I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

FOS's inactives. This is an easy target,

especially

when he has not FOS basically anyone else besides Gamma.

If you're scum, I'm never townreading you again Transcend.

Scummy.

I don't really see nn30 scum here.

NN-Rory Team

I almost cried when I read this.

Fake reaction. Although if it's real, perhaps he's laughing because he is scum but not with NN. Laughing because a townie is so convinced of the wrong team or something along those lines.

On nn, it's more about the switch to Transcend for me than about his own lynch. He's perfectly cool with Transcend being town for meta reasons until Transcend votes him. Then suddenly Transcend is scummy? I don't buy it. It seems more like blatant OMGUS than genuine suspicion. The progression just isn't there and the only thing that changed is Transcend suspected nn.

This sums up my thoughts.

@Josh: 383

Thx

2. When Transcens presents readlist , you flipped. Why quality of read list > meta dive.

I didn't like that he color coded it. The last time I saw that was from scum trying too hard. I may have over reacted.

I've been meta diving since I joined the site and I've yet to do it correctly. I'll figure it out at some point, and I probably won't stop doing it because once I do figure it out I'll be unstoppable, but until then anything I get from meta is going to be weak.

Are

you

kidding

me??

That

is

so

ridiculous

I

cannot

believe

you

that

you

even

believe

yourself

scum.

[BK201]

I believe he's saying that some of nn's reads feel real while others don't.

Will catch up on the rest of this later tonight. Still like where my vote's at.

I'd appreciate it if you let people answer questions for themselves next time. Slight FOS.

[BK201]

Bk201 for town conftbias.

BK, fair enough on Rory. That post where he says Gamma and Realeo are scum and they other team is probably inactive kind of sounds like only hunting one team too. Why is his post about Transcend scummy though?

Official Vote Count 1.8

nn30 (4)

: culted, BK201, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390

Rory (2)

: Joshz, Io

Gamma Emerald (2)

: Transcend, nn30

Transcend (2)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman

Joshz (1)

: Rory

Not Voting (2)

- Realeo, Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

does anyone still on the nn wagon want to change to rory/gamma? if not, care to explain if/why you still think nn is scum if anything has changed?

people not voting, get on a wagon please. i think the two wagons that should happen today are gamma and rory, but if you want to get on nn or transcend fine.

aristophanes, bk, nm in particular, id like to see some thoughts from you if possible. even say you dont have reads if you genuinely dont, but at least say something.

Did you not read my recent posts? Check the spoiler button from my post for my thoughts on Rory.

Fine with Rory or NN lynch.

[BK201]

Bk201 for town conftbias.

I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. What does conf bias mean???? Nobody used this buzzword a year ago (as far as I know). Second game back and people use this all the time. I didn't bother to ask last game because I was scum, and well I didn't care lol.

BK, fair enough on Rory. That post where he says Gamma and Realeo are scum and they other team is probably inactive kind of sounds like only hunting one team too. Why is his post about Transcend scummy though?

The whole "If you are scum I will never townread you again" line just seems like something scum would say given how early the game is, I don't think he has had any reason to townread Transcend so confidently. Doesn't seem authentic.

[BK201]

BK, confirmation bias is basically being so sure that you're right that you think things support your arguement when they may or may not. In mafia, say you scum read someone. Confirmation bias is seeing scummy behavior in all of their posts that may or may not be there where someone town reading them also dealing with confirmation bias may see town intent in the same posts.

I understand now, thanks for clearing that up.

Willing to vote
Transcend
NotMafia
nn30
Joshz

I understand why NN is there. Mind giving me some explanation for the other 3, besides gut?

Conf bias: where someone accuses someone first and dig evidence later to proof accusation.

I believe you have confbias, especially of your fever. Fever makes player not optimal.

Pedit. Sweet AtE. Why dont lynch them now? Have your ever been lynched before (as town)?

I didn't even get on my laptop while I was sick. I feel fine now. And according to your definition of conf bias, I do not match the description.

[BK201]

VOTE: Rory

[BK201]

VOTE: Rory

Explain why you shifted off of nn30?

I felt the day was ending a little too fast, wanted to see what would happen, and I think Rory is scum.

I can't understand wagon on Rory. My biggest problem with Rory is I can't fully understand his stand.

Do me a favor and look closely at his ISO and what he has really been doing.

Since Rory wagon vanished out of thin air. VOTE: NN

[BK201]

At this point I'm more sure of Rory than NN, and would prefer Rory lynched today.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:

NN L-2

VOTE: Rory I think this guy is more likely to be scum. Will compromise on NN if I can't convince you guys.

[BK201]

Every post from Rory has been an attempt to look like he is contributing. My case on Rory is his ISO.

[BK201]

^ Should be obvious. FOS NN for useless question that only serves as fluff.

[BK201]

Hi, catching up now.

BK might be scum.

Why?

This should be good.

[BK201]

^ Should be obvious. FOS NN for useless question that only serves as fluff.

As fun as it is to dismiss what I've asked as fluff, I'm asking with a purpose. I can't reveal that purpose as it would poison the ability to learn what I want.

Please give a real answer.

I see this questioning as scummy because I feel like my thoughts are transparent. I think Rory is more likely to be scum than you, so I'm voting Rory in hopes people will listen. I'm a little impulsive with my posting sometimes, which is why I voted you only to change it. It's literally my thoughts on paper.

[BK201]

I'm a little impulsive with my posting sometimes

1) Why is this line of questioning scummy fypov?

This is what I was looking for btw. I feel that town are more likely to be impulsive. Not enough to erode my scum read on you, or course, but it's a tick in the towny direction.

It's scummy if you already know the answer to the question you're asking, and are therefore just asking it for attempted towncred.

[BK201]

And scum can be impulsive too.

[BK201]

Keep the Rory votes coming.

[BK201]

After a very breif skim of NM's meta I'm willing to say he's town. Do not ask me more on this topic, as I don't want to tip him off. You can meta him yourself.

[BK201]

Fuck I literally forgot about multi-ball. Nvm, slight town lean at least.

P-edit, you know it better than I. I've never played with him. I still think we have much scummier suspects.

[BK201]

The difference between how I view it and how you do is that you think it means he's not really scumhunting, and I just get a null feel. I can your side, but I also see a townie doing that.

[BK201]

He says he can see how I got to my read.

Correct.

[BK201]

I'm now scumreading NM, his own meta working against him now.

Willing to lynch Rory, NN, or NM.

[BK201]

I'm now scumreading NM, his own meta working against him now.

Willing to lynch Rory, NN, or NM.

Okay this needs explaining.

Fine, the one scum I found from him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He just jokes around instead of being helpful.

[BK201]

L3T US 4V01D 3M0T10N4L / P0L1CY LYNCH.

I don't think anyone is policy lynching here.

[BK201]

NN(RPG?) is scummy to me. GE not so much. Rory is scummy to me. I don't think anybody is policy lynching.

[BK201]

I don't know how better to answer his question. I don't see anyone advocating a policy lynch. Maybe I'm the one not understanding.

[BK201]

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you do

not

think I'm scum, you

are

suggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.

Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.

@NN trying to take advantage of this strange policy lynch is laughable.

VOTE: NN L-1

Got you scum.

[BK201]

So both mafia teams have to be dumb enough to have listened to Josh, or more likely both shot me or Transcend. I think I put myself out there for mafia.

And Josh, If I was mafia I wouldn't be so stupid as to target obvious Transcend nkfailbait because of the fire/ice mechanic. You have Io trying to fear lynch me, do you really think I'm stupid if someone is that afraid of my mafia skills?

[BK201]

VOTE: Rory

If anyone wants my case on Rory just look at my posts from yesterday.

[BK201]

SS could be scum, hell with 4 scum he probably is. But I have a feeling he could be lynchbait. Rory I'm convinced on.

[BK201]

VOTE: bk201

i don't exactly know the odds of this being a hit or not but eh i haven't been wowed by this slot's performance this game.

From town!Transcend's pov the odds are 33.33%.

[BK201]

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Considering the possibility that I was the NK is scummy? By that logic Transcend is scum too but I don't see you mentioning him. That's about as good as your fear-lynch on me.

Io does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting, just tunneling on me and doesn't even have a case/gut on me. It's fear-lynch turned possible conf bias. Or scum being lazy. FOS Io. Would vote you but Rory is still scummier.

[BK201]

Transcend throwing his votes everywhere seems to be his town meta, or is it his anything meta?

[BK201]

Transcend throwing his votes everywhere seems to be his town meta, or is it his anything meta?

Everything I guess
tbh I think Trans may be town rn

Why do you think so?

[BK201]

you werent the night kill lmao

transcend is just being el trollito

It's very possible, especially if Rory is scum. Nobody was trying as hard to lynch him as I was. Also with Io trying to fear-lynch me, maybe that intimidated both factions haha.

[BK201]

Transcend throwing his votes everywhere seems to be his town meta, or is it his anything meta?

Everything I guess
tbh I think Trans may be town rn

Why do you think so?

You mentioned meta, and I remembered a meta evaluation I did for another game, and felt this is his town play based on that

I would greatly appreciate it if you quote that meta evaluation post from the other game. I've been trying to figure out Transcend since I saw him on the playerlist.

[BK201]

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you do

not

think I'm scum, you

are

suggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.

Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Considering the possibility that I was the NK is scummy? By that logic Transcend is scum too but I don't see you mentioning him. That's about as good as your fear-lynch on me.

Io does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting, just tunneling on me and doesn't even have a case/gut on me. It's fear-lynch turned possible conf bias. Or scum being lazy. FOS Io. Would vote you but Rory is still scummier.

At this point it's not even a fear lying. You are actually just being scummy now.
You're just taking my argument and vote and just laughing at it rather than trying to do anything remotely pro town.
You also say Im tunneling but not scum reading. You can't just fence sit like that, fucking call me scum if you're going to do it rather than just ignoring and brushing me off.

Tell me where I laughed at your argument and vote. Tell me that trying to lynch Rory is not remotely pro town. You are tunneling, but town do that too. You weren't scum reading me until I mentioned that I might have been the NK, which I have elaborated as to why I think that is a real possibility, e-peen aside. It's true I find you scummy, 1.) because fear-lynch, 2.) because you ignored Transcend's request for a reads list 3.) and I don't see you scumhunting, (besides me thinking I was the NK), that's all I have seen since you started the fear-lynch day 1. If it wasn't for Rory I would probably be voting you right now, so call that fence-sitting. I call it I have an even scummier scum I'm going to lynch. And based off the above quotes, I did not ignore you or brush you off. Literally everything in your post 845 is wrong and I have proven you wrong, scum.

[BK201]

Josh I think your attempt to direct the NKs is more likely to come from town than a mafia gambit, but what team would actually be stupid enough to listen to you? I don't think anyone is that naive.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:

Nothing suspicious out of Io for the moment after the iso.

Or does that mean GM/Realeo/Joshz/Rory?

nn stands for nn30

that was sarcasm for him having a dead townie as a sr u twats



unvote and VOTE: ss

What exactly is your case on SS? You think he's scummier than Rory?

[BK201]

I 'm not convinced by nn's flip I need to see more evidence

Are you anti-town even as town? I only spent 2-3 minutes skimming your games until I found a scum game, but I saw you being super anti-town in that scum game.

[BK201]

Why is that anti-town?

Are you not saying you are not convinced of NN's alignment post-flip?

[BK201]

if you think im wrong and im townie then ignore me as it doesnt matter, ive explained my thoughts.

i already explained a bit when transcend asked. ss is largely gut, nn had the same read who is a townie, and i dont believe rory is scum anymore. if you think im completely wrong which most of you seem to then everything i said on rory yesterday stands and you should lynch him because hes scum. however, im not joining you.

You are taking a huge gambit just writing off your biggest scumread.

[BK201]

@Realeo, would you be so kind as to link me a couple of your scum games, and a couple town games? I townread you, but I don't know if that's because English is your second language or not.

You are smarter than I to understand English so well (I've tried to learn Japanese and you're way better at English than I am Japanese, even studying for 2+ years), but I think I townread you because you of the way you present yourself. Just not sure if that's because of the language difference or not.

[BK201]

Yes

No offense, but you are so confusing. Please try to be helpful because I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely trying to help.

[BK201]

Io, you're dismissing all the legitimate points I bring up with your wall of AtE.

You still have not shared your reads, that's twice you ignore that. (once from transcend, once from me)

Day 1 on me was just a fear-lynch, you even said you were okay with "rather just eliminate him now".

I never tried to get people to ignore you, literally where are you getting that from?

I never laughed at you, I was laughing at the possibility of both factions being so afraid of me that they failed to kill me.

So like I said, everything you said in 845 is ridiculous and wrong.

And as I've already said, I'm not voting you because I'm not as sure about you as I am about Rory.

What is so hard to understand? I'm not attacking your character, I'm just playing the game as I always have. I've never had someone be so personally offended, I literally don't even know what I did to you personally.

[BK201]

Transcend, stop trolling right now.

[BK201]

speculating nightkills has a lot of issues obviously but in this setup if you can do it right you can clear town which is huge.

You can't clear someone as town for sure in this game, it just doesn't work.

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Agree he's scum, how he talks about the night kill has me uneasy.

You can clear someone as town in this game, just not the way Josh is trying to clear Rory as town.
Mind explaining in more detail why I'm scummy?

[BK201]

Rory- All he is doing is defending people, and defending himself. If you defend someone they are more likely to town-read you. He does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting.

Spoiler:

I don't get the Transcend Wagon

I'm not convinced Snarky is scum.

rory u can't be everyone's friend btw

I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

FOS's inactives. This is an easy target,

especially

when he has not FOS basically anyone else besides Gamma.

If you're scum, I'm never townreading you again Transcend.

Scummy because it seems fake/over-dramatic/buddying. Shit he can say precisely because he is scum.

Rory is scum because he has attempted to look town(unlike a troll), but has not genuinely hunted scum. He has posted, but has only defended people. Does not do anything I consider town. ISO him yourself if you're not convinced.

[BK201]

It's not about the isistnece part. It's about they logic.

They logic is that "his insistence that Rory is town makes me think he might be scum who tried killing Rory"

My question was, why would scum!Josh does that if the analysis is True. It's like Josh is telling the another scum party to kill him because "I know who you kill."

1. Why I'm thinking the nk target is Gamma

2. WHY IS THERE NO WAGON ON GAMMA?

No. I don't sr Gamma. But Gammas was hot pursuit D1 and none D2? Something is going on...

Realeo,you're right about the difference between D1 and D2. You may have just cracked open the game. This would mean Gamma is town, and scum would know it too, so as scum you might drop Gamma know he's town and try to get the other faction lynched. Good work.

[BK201]

Official Vote Count 1.3

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Io, Not_Mafia, Rory

Transcend (3)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman, culted

Realeo (1)

: BK201

BK201 (1)

: Joshz

SnarkySnowman (1)

: PenguinPower

Not Voting (3)

- nn30, Clemency, Realeo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Io, NM, Rory

Official Vote Count 1.9

nn30 (5)

: culted, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390, SnarkySnowman, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Rory, nn30, Io

Rory (2)

: Joshz, BK201

Transcend (1)

: Realeo

Not Voting (1)

- Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Rory,

nn30

, Io

VCA indicates Transcend, Io, Rory, and to a lesser extent NM were all on Gamma's wagon and have he has completely dropped off their Radar.

Transcend drops wagons and starts wagons all the time so this tell doesn't implicate him.

Rory has not posted Day 2 yet, and it's too late to see what he would do after he reads Realo's theory, but I think he's scum. And he was on Gamma's wagon so it's likely scum!Rory believed Gamma was scum and tried to NK him. This only further confirms Rory is scum.

Io hasn't said one word about Gamma D2. Io is most probable scum for this and other reasons I've stated.

Not_Mafia implicated Gamma in post 854 along with a few others, but has not voted Gamma. But he is a troll so he does whatever he wants and doesn't seem to care. Less incriminating than Io though.

TL:DR More evidence that Rory is scum. Scummy Io and to a lesser extent NM.

[BK201]

Apologies

Was drunk. I'll look this over later lol.

Lmao, thanks for owning up to it.

[BK201]

Io hasn't said one word about Gamma D2. Io is most

probable

scum for this and other reasons I've stated.

I meant to type "probably". Most

probable

scum is Rory.

[BK201]

Vote hopping is an alignment tell for you?

Not for you. It can be for some.

[BK201]

More evidence that Rory is scum.

My analysis is only incriminating the voter, not the voted. You make one step too far.

How though? I looked over KMD but everything in his ISO about Gamma says town!Gamma, and there is a lot. Ctrl+f gamma in his ISO. Rory, Io, and to a lesser extent NM are scummy according to the theory of town!Gamma double NK'd and just ignored D2.

P-Edit: Realo, I am in the process of ISOing everyone regarding their interactions with Gamma for that exact reason.

[BK201]

Vote hopping is an alignment tell for you?

who is this @

It was towards bk.

And me personally, i don't feel vote hopping is alignment indicative for anyone unless it's closer to lylo. By then you should be somewhat confident that you've solved the game. Day 1 vote hopping is usually completely NAI.

Some tells are stronger than others, this is one of the weakest tells I even consider tells so I don't rely on it, but I do consider it.

[BK201]

Official Vote Count 1.8

nn30 (4)

: culted, BK201, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390

Rory (2)

: Joshz, Io

Gamma Emerald (2)

: Transcend, nn30

Transcend (2)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman

Joshz (1)

: Rory

Not Voting (2)

- Realeo, Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

does anyone still on the nn wagon want to change to rory/gamma? if not, care to explain if/why you still think nn is scum if anything has changed?

people not voting, get on a wagon please.

i think the two wagons that should happen today are gamma and rory

, but if you want to get on nn or transcend fine.

aristophanes, bk, nm in particular, id like to see some thoughts from you if possible. even say you dont have reads if you genuinely dont, but at least say something.

Josh,I found one conflicting post from you regarding Gamma. Before and after this post you defend Gamma, a lot, yet this post implies you're advocating Gamma lynch? Explain.

[BK201]

VOTE: Io

Poe vote. Pretty sure the one I haven't iso is Rory (again) and culted. I have isoed LG, to be fair.

Transcend is being consistent with his Snarky vote.
SS (and Rico Sauve?) is the only one who fos GE. Both are being consistent.

We lynch Rory today. Io can wait.

[BK201]

anyways, me and both factions know that i got night killed by both of them so nice try fuckers

yes nn was most likely a mislynch and the suckitude of his wagon was really high, but i will rarely resist a lolhammer

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This theory also suggests Transcend is town, because he is opened with a vote for Gamma. Scum!Transcend would probably go for scum, and not someone he would know is town. So Transcend, SS, Kmd, Realo, and to a lesser extent (because of that conflicting post) Josh are town. This theory isn't 100% accurate even if we are right about Gamma being the NK, because WIFOM. But it does help us find scum through scumhunting and poe. So I would say 2-3 scum are within Rory, Io, NM, Culted, and Ari based on all this.

We should lynch Rory today and Io tomorrow if she ain't NK.

[BK201]

VOTE: BK

Cute, who else is scum though?

[BK201]

stahp bk

That's all I had to say. You following my train of thought?

[BK201]

Your Rory conclusion is a conf!bias. Io is good. N_M is somewhat acceptable.

I understand why you think it's conf!bias, but the fact that Rory was on Gamma's wagons, and according to Rory, Gamma was his #1 scum suspect. This means it was likely scum!Rory tried to NK who he thought was scum!Gamma.

We're eliminating too many people for the theory to be True!

We're not. There are 4 scum, and at least 5 people in the null-scum pile. And I said it's not 100%, I would be happy even if just 2 of the 5 are scum. That is still a very helpful theory in that case.

[BK201]

Since I am tired, please excuse me as I become a Grammar N4z1.

You're not use

d

to

getting

be

townread

,

are you

.

?

Spoiler: Notabene

No intention to be an arse hole. Simply tired. If my previous analysis (which is written in a tired situation) is full of fallacy, you get town cred. Revokable town cred, obv.

Pedit: @BK: I will play along then. After checking the VC that you used, it sends the wrong message about IO. Later. Not optimal body condition.

Grammar is off-topic, but since I assume you enjoy improving your grammar it would be "You're not used to being townread, are you?" I ISO'd everyone and ctrl+f searched Gamma. Io was one of the strongest supporters of Gamma lynch.

There is however, a large 3 days gap between VC. You may want to analyze between it and make pseudo VC.

I ISO'd everyone to help account for that.

[BK201]

Realo, can you think of a more likely NK than Gamma? Why would it be Io? She was largely townread, or at least not scumread, by a lot of players as far as I recall. Scum will be trying to NK other scum in this set-up.

[BK201]

Transcend throwing his votes everywhere seems to be his town meta, or is it his anything meta?

Everything I guess
tbh I think Trans may be town rn

Why do you think so?

You mentioned meta, and I remembered a meta evaluation I did for another game, and felt this is his town play based on that

I would greatly appreciate it if you quote that meta evaluation post from the other game. I've been trying to figure out Transcend since I saw him on the playerlist.

I can't quote since it's ongoing, but I believe Transcend votes with more conviction as town.

Currently thinking Transcend and NM.

Contradiction or I miss something?

That's nothing really, because of the time between the posts.

[BK201]

But is my concern @ Gamma valid?

No, I don't think so.

[BK201]

Io, Culted, Ari, Rory on my wagon. Interesting considering Rory and Io are scum, and Culted and Ari is null. At least none of my townreads are voting me.

[BK201]

VOTE: BK201

I'll try catching up tomorrow. Today is not going to happen.

Rory votes before he has to commit time to catching up, hoping my wagon gets 3 more votes today so he doesn't have to actually catch up. Lazy scum. Town would care more about their vote. And look, Rory has dropped Gamma. Good thing he didn't read it, theory complete. Rory is scum. How am I the only one that sees Rory scum? He is obvious.

[BK201]

BK, is 935 serious or sarcastic. I actually can't tell.

BK, why is Snark town under your theory?

Serious. Snark defended Gamma yesterday. Again I have stated the theory is not 100%, and I do not treat it as such. But it helps find scum in these early stages of the game, even if it won't help us find all of them.

[BK201]

Rory was so adamant to lynch Gamma pretty much all of D1, and even had his vote on Gamma when D1 ended. Comes in the thread doesn't say a word on Gamma. Probably because he knows Gamma is town.

[BK201]

How do you PoE an NK target made by 4 people from 2 alignments which both meant not to cross streams but accidentally did??

TL:DR; The scum, as day phase, is less likely to be pursue on the target because one know he is scum. Wagon at Gamma suddenly dissapear! However, because we're eliminating too many people, so maybe the dissapearnace of Gamma wagon is accidental. I'm tired so please look my banter at BK. The beginning and the end part is important so please do read. The middle part is kinda a shit.

So much for Grammar.

That said, I'll see. But I don't think you've got what you think you've got.

I think Gamma was the NK target for both factions, as a lot of people thought he was scummy but his wagon had trouble gaining traction. A number of people that I have mentioned in my posts on this (go read them) were gunning for Gamma D1 because they thought he was scum, and have not said a word about him D2. Considering that 4 scum players have learned that their NK target is town, and not the other mafia, it makes sense to drop Gamma. Therefore we look for players that fit this pattern, and we have a good (although not perfect) scumhunting tool.

[BK201]

Josh, I still can't believe you're writing off your biggest scumread (rory) from yesterday because of your ego. Honestly one team may have hit rory and the other gamma if you didn't say anything. But the fact that you told them to hit rory, means that they have to consider that the other team might listen to you and the kill will fail, thus no team would be risky enough to listen to you. Even if Rory was town, your plan did not work. Both teams went for gamma because with too much WIFOM behind a rory hit (thanks to you) gamma was the best option because of how many people thought he was scum.

[BK201]

Josh, I still can't believe you're writing off your biggest scumread (rory) from yesterday because of your ego. Honestly one team may have hit rory and the other gamma if you didn't say anything. But the fact that you told them to hit rory, means that they have to consider that the other team might listen to you and the kill will fail, thus no team would be risky enough to listen to you. Even if Rory was town, your plan did not work. Both teams went for gamma because with too much WIFOM behind a rory hit (thanks to you) gamma was the best option because of how many people thought he was scum.

That all assumes you're right about town!Rory. Scum!rory is the same idea though, you scared the other faction with WIFOM so they didn't NK Rory, if they were going to.

[BK201]

A) I'm not writing him off, and
B) It isn't because of my ego that I'm not voting him, and
C) idc if you scum read me for this but I'm not fucking answering anyrhing else about this because a passing remake has been the topic of discussion for pages and it is stupid and I'm putting an end to it. I have explained everything about this situation multiple times and different people keep asking the same things. Over it lmao just vote me if you think I'm scum or stop talking about it

It's not a "passing remark". It's something that causes you to not vote your D1 top scumread. My impression of your thoughts is that "Rory was top scumread, but scum must have listened to me so Rory is town." I disagree.

[BK201]

It was meant to be a passing remark. Not my fault it blew up. This thread being dead the last few hours is great tho!

Now, bk, give actual reasoning you put ss in the town pile.

SS is in the possibly town pile according to the Gamma NK theory. Otherwise SS is null to me. I'm not using it to TR him out of context.

BK, why would scum target someone who was being avidly scumread?
This part of your theory makes the least sense.

Because they may have seen Gamma lynch as difficult to pull off. Besides what better target if they don't have a stronger scum-read? It's not about "saving scum for lynch", you just want to eliminate the other scum team asap.

Even if you throw the theory out the window, my vote would probably still be where it is.

[BK201]

And that's not conf-bias, that's coincidence.

[BK201]

Aris, scum should be shooting for scum because it eliminates the threat of a NK if they can take out the other team. It helps them just as much as it helps town.

BK, why would scum target someone who was being avidly scumread?
This part of your theory makes the least sense.

Because they may have seen Gamma lynch as difficult to pull off. Besides what better target if they don't have a stronger scum-read? It's not about "saving scum for lynch", you just want to eliminate the other scum team asap.

Even if you throw the theory out the window, my vote would probably still be where it is.

I mean, I totally get what you're saying, but Gamma shouldn't have bee a hard lynch for scum to push, and shooting at a possible buddy would make more sense from a Scum perspective. Scum targeting a strong universal scumread just makes no sense to me.

What's your reasoning for "Gamma shouldn't have been a hard lynch for scum to push?" For all we know there could have been 4 scum on Gamma's wagon and it got zero town support. Scum are going to go for scum, not a buddy to a guy they don't even know for sure is scum.

No. That's not about that. I mean, me and Rory also make zero conversation.

What makes it interesting that even if you address him, he didn't respond. I'm pulling my number out of my head (because who iso in Christmas?) but the only time he responds was KmD saying "Rory iso is bad".

Rory is scum.

Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?

Why would it?
I don't see much reason. Care to explain?

You don't even have a stand!
You don't even have a read!
You promised one, said that mine is too complex.

I've taken a stand of logic against the distracting NK spec conversation. I mean, yes, I suppose I killed that convo and the thread died afterwards, but at least we're not filling pages with shitty, baseless speculations.

Reads and stands cone with time. I do alright with these games as they advance, but F&I mafia games are always rough for reads at the beginning.

These speculations are

not

baseless, nor shitty. You have not provided an alternative NK target, nor anything of substance for that matter. That's shitty.

So, in D2, since there is no data, you just going to sheep the largest wagon?

Not necessarily, but I may not be very helpful is all I'm saying.

Plus, I sheep cases, not wagons.

You're not being helpful. And cases = wagons at the end of the day.

Sorry for the delayed participation.

Read the game. Did not take notes. Here are my current reads:

Suspect - BK201, Rory, Snarky........Transcend
Need sorted - Gamma, Realeo, Ari
Don't suspect - Kmd, culted, Not_Mafia, Joshz

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

I'm good with where my vote is. (

Mod...Io was voting BK

)

It is my practice to remove a vote when a player replaces out or is replaced. I will remember your vote in the next VC though

What you're saying doesn't make any logical sense.

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

Which is the theory I am suggesting, and defending. And it only supports my scum-read on Rory (and you), as scum Rory would have likely tried to NK Gamma. So you think my theory has a good chance at being correct, yet I am scum at the same time? As scum who shot at Gamma, why would I attempt to share my knowledge of town Gamma and conf-town Gamma for everyone else, especially when he was scum-read by multiple people? Why would I do that? It isn't logical, and neither are your thoughts you've expressed here. And considering how much experience you have in mafia, you wouldn't put forth such a nonsense if you were town. Thanks for further confirming my scum-read on your slot.

Pretty certain about Rory and Havingfitz(Io). Not seen a better case for other leads, or good defense against my leads. If you guys just follow me you won't regret it. Already found half the scum, essentially by myself too (with some help from Realeo though).

[BK201]

I would love Rory to be lynched first as I suspected him before Io/Fitz, but I have enough evidence now that I'm equally fine with Io/Fitz lynch today and Rory tomorrow.

[BK201]

I still don't like SS, but compared to Rory and Fitz he seems like lynch-bait.

[BK201]

And SS did defend Gamma D1 multiple times, which would be kind of odd for scum to do when there were 4 other players scum-reading him. There's some town-cred to be earned there if Gamma is town.

[BK201]

And SS did defend Gamma D1 multiple times, which would be kind of odd for scum to do when there were 4 other players scum-reading him. There's some town-cred to be earned there if Gamma is town.

White knighting isn't odd. It's actually pretty common.

I'm aware of the tactic. I don't know if you're right about it being pretty common though. And honestly no offense to SS but he doesn't seem like the type to employ any clever scum tactics.

tbqh I think scum would do a desperation lynch on the NK if it canceled out

I could see that, but you realize that makes me the failed NK as my lynch is desperate af.

[BK201]

ftr pretty sure I never defended gamma in this game, but I could be mixing games up

What are you reads??

And SS did defend Gamma D1 multiple times, which would be kind of odd for scum to do when there were 4 other players scum-reading him. There's some town-cred to be earned there if Gamma is town.

White knighting isn't odd. It's actually pretty common.

I'm aware of the tactic. I don't know if you're right about it being pretty common though. And honestly no offense to SS but he doesn't seem like the type to employ any clever scum tactics.

tbqh I think scum would do a desperation lynch on the NK if it canceled out

I could see that, but you realize that makes me the failed NK as my lynch is desperate af.

Desperate for towncred are we?

Sure love all the towncred I can get, as either alignment.

But seriously I was just mentioning a fact that my wagon is desperate, and I do think I am one the possible double NK targets if it's not you. From rory/io perspective, it makes perfect sense to NK either you or myself. Scum!Io was afraid of me, so it makes sense to NK me, and she was trying to fear-lynch me day 1 and 2. Rory would make sense to NK me because I was gunning for him Day 1. So perhaps these scum thought I was scum.

I still think you're the most likely double NK because you had at least 2 scum on your two different wagons of 4, yet you weren't lynched (read: difficult to lynch). You had 2 of the largest wagons besides the guy who was actually lynched, and some RVS style speed wagon, yet you were treated like you don't even exist as a possible wagon Day 2. I think there was multiple scum on your Day 1 wagons, Gamma. You should trust me and vote with me.

BK, claiming a town read on a widely suspected player isn't necessarily what I would call a "clever tactic". It's basic scum play to know that you can't just jump every single wagon.

Maybe I'm underestimating SS, either way if he's scum he will slip up eventually. Not my priority right now.

UNVOTE:

what is it with fire and ice games and a massive amounto f replace outs. pretty much every slot in my game had more than 1 person in it.

This really doesn't matter for the game, unless you think replacing out in this format has some implication on alignment.

Hey guys! I am definitely not scum, and I'm sticking to that story!

I'll catch up as soon as I can. Hopefully tonight. Probably not.

Welcome to the game, scum. Go ahead and vote me, I know it's tempting.

VOTE: transcend

What? You're seriously going to vote Transcend over Rory/Kuroi or Io/Fitz? Or hell even over SS?

[BK201]

how often do you get mislynched btw

All the fucking time.

You don't have to worry about getting mislynched this time at least.

[BK201]

how often do you get mislynched btw

All the fucking time.

UNVOTE:

then i'll give you botd because i'vescumread you in like every single game i've played with you and been wrong every time.

So you're not allowed to scum-read him until you falsely town-read him? Am I right?

[BK201]

io/fitz is town

Far from it. How can you even think that?

[BK201]

why is io/fitz scum?

I'm really not going to explain it to you. Read my posts, I'm pissed if you haven't been reading my posts man.

[BK201]

because io/fitz is town.

since someone is finally going on my ss wagon

VOTE: ss

transcend, not mafia, snarky snowman... too many anti town players

You're being anti-town too by saying Rory is town, when you said yourself he was scum and is town now because you told mafia teams to shoot Rory. Anti-town if I ever saw it from someone who wasn't trolling.

[BK201]

I did not say rory is town. I said the contrary multiple times. I stated why I think he has a chance to be town and why I'm not voting him

I know why you're not voting him, and why you think there is a chance he's town. But your reason is that you think he was the double NK, am I wrong? When your sole reason for not voting someone, who is otherwise top scum to you, is highly unlikely, that's anti-town.

[BK201]

Kuroi, why don't you focus on your catch-up instead of talking to people right now. That would be the town thing to do. Oh wait...

[BK201]

SS is such easy lynchbait. It's painfully obvious. Just because he is useless thus far and anti-town because of that. The only real scummy thing I got from SS was his "hahahhaa" post. There's so much more in Rory/Kuroi, and Io/Fitz.

[BK201]

ctrl+f Io or Rory to see my thoughts on them, Transcend. You better read my shit man I'm trying to win the game like you were trying last time I played with you. I expected more from you this game, last game you were trying a lot harder, or at least that's how it seems to me.

[BK201]

If I wanted to lynch an obnoxious anti town player not mafia is available. Ss is much scummier.

You have a point there,but still.

[BK201]

Kuroi, idk how you read nearly 50 pages that quickly. I don't buy it. Even if you skimmed.

[BK201]

How about this, Kuroi, join me in voting for Io/Fitz? That would help you win even if you're scum, as I don't think your partner is Io/Fitz. Don't you want to eliminate the other scum team?

[BK201]

Kuroi, idk how you read nearly 50 pages that quickly. I don't buy it. Even if you skimmed.

I rushed, I work at a job that asks little of me, especially over a holiday shutdown and not quite sure how much you're willing to stretch it in an attempt to justify your confirm-bias on me.

Preview Edit: I don't scum read Io.

I admit to a little bit of conf bias, I am aware of it though so can you really call it conf bias? I keep it in check. The fact is there is a lot against you and Io/Fitz. You're pretty good at scum I take it. The easy route would be voting me but you're not doing that yet.

Tell me why you don't scumread Io? I saw your post about genuine scumhunting, and she may have genuinely scumread me but that doesn't make her town in this format.

[BK201]

Hi kuroi. You're scum. Want to confirm that by voting fitz with me?

In the context of this format, it's not crazy, even if I'm wrong about Kuroi. You see that?

[BK201]

Rough Read List:

{havingfitz, Kmd4390}
{BK20}
{Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Not_Mafia}
{Realeo, Culted, Aristophanes}
{SnarkySnowman, Transcend}

Post by Joshz » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:04 pm

Hi kuroi. You're scum. Want to confirm that by voting fitz with me?

Uhhhhh...

Don't worry, Josh is just mocking me.

Why is Fitz so high on your list? In fact why am I so high on your list? Is that pile with NM your null pile?

[BK201]

Fine you're doing your slot justice, but I still highly suspect your slot. I am willing to give you one more day to prove yourself for now at least.

Let's vote Io/Fitz together. At least look at what I said about Fitz himself. That post he made was scummier than anything Io herself said.

VOTE: Havingfitz

[BK201]

What is so scummy about Snarky? I bet he plays this way as either alignment, just like NM. They are anti-town lynch-bait. Not saying they aren't scum, but we have better choices.

And I don't see Transcend as scum, he's null to town. His interaction with you (Kuroi) is odd but that's not enough for me to lynch him.

[BK201]

Sarcasm is a fun tool.
I don't think wanting to lynch io makes you necessarily scum. Io is a mislynch. Don't waste your time. I'm p sure culted is a mislynch too but not that confident in it... aristophanes might be scum.

The biggest single point against Io is Havingfitz first content post. Look at it and look at my examination of it. I do not conf bias Io's slot. That was pure unbiased, quality scum-hunting.

[BK201]

Can you guys stop posting off-topic content? I love dogs, trust me but that isn't the game we're playing.

[BK201]

Kuro's 1148, 1162, 1195, and 1209 have an Amished tell in them. I'm still not 100% sold on the accuracy of that tell, but it stands out.

Culted, what didn't you like about Kuro's first few posts?

BK, I'd think sorting Snark WOULD be a priority right now. He's one of the three most likely lynches today. You seem to lean town on him and it doesn't make much sense to me so I wanted to discuss it but you seem to be trying to shrug me off now. I mean I understand Rory/Kuro is your focus now, but if that starts to fizzle and you need to compromise (and a look at the recent vote counts shows you're the only one on it now), it's good to have a better idea of your Snark stance and where it's coming from. Your town lean is based on a lot of assumptions.

Transcend's reaction to Kuro feels natural to me. Natural doesn't mean town in this setup, but I don't see what Kuro sees.

I've never heard of the Amished tell until you explained it but that seems like it could help. Guess it just depends on how aware the player is of the tell or not.

I do not have Snarky as a town lean. Snarky is null, with a very slight scum lean from his "hahahaha" post. Obviously I would vote him instead of a no-lynch or myself, but I have not given up on this town yet.

P-Edit: Can you guys please get your bullshit off-topic spam out of here? It is borderline scummy since possibly one of both of you are budding up to (each)other. At the very least it's anti-town. Stay on the game.

[BK201]

@LightGanski

I think you need to move this thread to the Off-Topic section of the forums.

[BK201]

I guess I've never played with so many trolls in one game.

[BK201]

Well, you better get started then, Scooby.

[BK201]

Ah. Did you think I was going out of my way to do it? Did it not sound genuine?

I kind of want to know so I can not be so obviously scum next time I'm scum.

Preview Edit: No Transcend. Don't even type. Just press space, then the Submit Button.

Towniest post from this slot all game.

We should probably get back on topic instead of just chasing our tails by the wag.

Gunslingers Mafia, I said the same thing as scum and I'm not going to hesitate to do it again if it works.

What was the "same thing" that you said as scum in the game?

I'm still waiting to see Transcend lynched

So why didn't you post your reads like I asked in you? You are starting to stink.

Internal Realeo computer is analyzing if Josh and BK frustration in town frustration or scum frustation[/b]

I do not fake frustration as either alignment, so if you sense frustration from me you can trust that it is real, regardless of my alignment. So tell me what about my frustration at off-topic spam is inherently scummy?

And if you want proof, feel free to meta me. I have all my games linked on my wiki page for all to see.

[BK201]

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you do

not

think I'm scum, you

are

suggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.

Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.

TLDR: Io proposes we policy lynch me for apparently being too good as scum. Io doesn't seem like an idiot, but this is a truly idiotic reason to policy lynch someone if you're town.

Official Vote Count 1.3

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Io, Not_Mafia, Rory

Transcend (3)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman, culted

Realeo (1)

: BK201

BK201 (1)

: Joshz

SnarkySnowman (1)

: PenguinPower

Not Voting (3)

- nn30, Clemency, Realeo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Io, NM, Rory

Official Vote Count 1.9

nn30 (5)

: culted, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390, SnarkySnowman, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Rory, nn30, Io

Rory (2)

: Joshz, BK201

Transcend (1)

: Realeo

Not Voting (1)

- Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Rory,

nn30

, Io

VCA indicates Transcend, Io, Rory, and to a lesser extent NM were all on Gamma's wagon and have he has completely dropped off their Radar.

Transcend drops wagons and starts wagons all the time so this tell doesn't implicate him.

Rory has not posted Day 2 yet, and it's too late to see what he would do after he reads Realo's theory, but I think he's scum. And he was on Gamma's wagon so it's likely scum!Rory believed Gamma was scum and tried to NK him. This only further confirms Rory is scum.

Io hasn't said one word about Gamma D2. Io is most probable scum for this and other reasons I've stated.

Not_Mafia implicated Gamma in post 854 along with a few others, but has not voted Gamma. But he is a troll so he does whatever he wants and doesn't seem to care. Less incriminating than Io though.

TL:DR More evidence that Rory is scum. Scummy Io and to a lesser extent NM.

I stand by Gamma being the most likely target of both mafias Night 1. Nobody has presented a more reasonable alternative. Io was on Gamma's wagon during both if its peaks. Io was pretty suspicious of Gamma during all of Day 1, yet doesn't even mention Gamma during Day 2. Very odd if you ask me, but when you consider my theory on Gamma being the NK it makes sense why scum!Io wouldn't even mention Gamma after he learned he was town.

Sorry for the delayed participation.

Read the game. Did not take notes. Here are my current reads:

Suspect - BK201, Rory, Snarky........Transcend
Need sorted - Gamma, Realeo, Ari
Don't suspect - Kmd, culted, Not_Mafia, Joshz

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

I'm good with where my vote is. (

Mod...Io was voting BK

)

It is my practice to remove a vote when a player replaces out or is replaced. I will remember your vote in the next VC though

What you're saying doesn't make any logical sense.

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

Which is the theory I am suggesting, and defending. And it only supports my scum-read on Rory (and you), as scum Rory would have likely tried to NK Gamma. So you think my theory has a good chance at being correct, yet I am scum at the same time? As scum who shot at Gamma, why would I attempt to share my knowledge of town Gamma and conf-town Gamma for everyone else, especially when he was scum-read by multiple people? Why would I do that? It isn't logical, and neither are your thoughts you've expressed here. And considering how much experience you have in mafia, you wouldn't put forth such a nonsense if you were town. Thanks for further confirming my scum-read on your slot.

Most incriminating single piece of evidence against the Io/Fitz slot. I know it's a wall of text but just please, honestly read it and give it some serious thought.

I am willing to vote SS, as he isn't looking any better. But I want you all to really consider my case on Io/Fitz and ask yourself who is scummier, SS or Io/Fitz?

[BK201]

oh glod 7 pages just fucking sprouted

5 actually, whatever

Like 2/5 of those pages is people talking about dogs.

[BK201]

BK, I still think it's a bad idea to assume scum tried to kill someone specific. The logic makes sense and everything, but if it's wrong, you're basing everything on a wrong assumption. And there's no way to prove it ever. Without that, your case is that lo voted you for maybe looking like you're trying to blend in which is weak. lo very well could have been scum, but your case just isn't as strong as you think it is. Like I get where you're coming from but you're assuming way too much.

I think my case stands up pretty well without Gamma NK'd theory, I mean what do you think about Fitz? And I do think it is important to speculate who was NK'd because that means that person is town. Do I have any hard evidence, of course not, I'm not a cop. But I do have circumstantial evidence, and that's a better tool than ignoring the lead all together.

BK, I still think it's a bad idea to assume scum tried to kill someone specific. The logic makes sense and everything, but if it's wrong, you're basing everything on a wrong assumption. And there's no way to prove it ever. Without that, your case is that lo voted you for maybe looking like you're trying to blend in which is weak. lo very well could have been scum, but your case just isn't as strong as you think it is. Like I get where you're coming from but you're assuming way too much.

Now that you say that, my case on BK's scum frustation is explained and no longer a case
UNVOTE:

I thought your case on me was that my frustration at the off-topic dog talk spam was "scum frustration"? So how does what KMD said here, which has nothing to do with that, dismiss your case on me? Help me out here.

BK... even if you think I'm scum can you at least acknowledge that I genuinely suspect you?

Other than lack of content ( ) and suspecting you...what do you dislike about my post 1111? What do you find illogical?

I never said I suspect you for lack of content. Where are you getting that from? Guilty conscience?

And what is the point of asking me to acknowledge you? For one, I do not know if you genuinely suspect me or not, but it doesn't matter because it's multi-ball. So that just seems like a fluff question to ask me.

And I'm pretty sure I already said what I don't like about your post. You list me as your top suspect (you're voting me), yet you are perhaps the only person who has said they believe my Gamma NK theory is likely, yet you vote me. THAT is not logical at all. If I am scum, why am I sharing the Gamma NK theory? Why would that benefit me as scum? Why would I want to confirm town Gamma and narrow down the lynch pool? As scum, what do I gain for being truthful with town, and why is it worth it? Basically your words do not relfect your actions. Explain it to me, because you voting me WHILE agreeing with my Gamma NK theory is what I don't like, it's not logical, it is very scummy.

Am I bad at explaining this? Does nobody else see plain as day that Fitz' action do not reflect his word?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Fitz is scum.

SS lynched, hope he's scum but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[BK201]

VOTE: havingfitz

[BK201]

Who has a history of playing with Culted?

[BK201]

Vote Kuro

The Rory case was better than anything I came up with on my own the first two days. Kuro's entrance wasn't the towniest ever, especially with all those Amished tell posts. This works for me for right now.

On Realeo, I decided to lay off him Day 2 a little just to see how he played without pressure. He looked a little townier and my early issues with him may have been personality. He's a POE scum read at most right now and I'm just not comfortable voting that.

Aris might be scum. I didn't like the inaccurate self meta he gave. The "I'm doing nothing because lol setup" turned out to not match up with the town fire and ice game he linked. It may have been a genuine lapse in memory, but it still shows a vastly different type of play from him.

Havingfitz is probably the closest I have to a scum read after that. I had lo as gut scum on my catch up, but lo satisfied any actual concerns I had. I'd vote here over a town read at deadline, but I don't have anything solid enough to vote.

I'm still solidly town reading BK and Transcend. So that leaves Not mafia, gamma, and josh as a trio that probably contains scum if I'm not perfect on naming the 4 scum above. Of those three, josh is the towniest to me and not mafia the scummiest.

-------------------

Gamma, scum should be shooting for each other. Culted had a decent chance of being scum, but maybe they picked up a doc tell and that was why they shot there. I could see either of those two things. I doubt it had anything to do with info and I doubt they took that shot looking for a VT.

BK, I don't believe I've ever played with Culted.

[BK201]

^Whoops

[BK201]

Vote Kuro

The Rory case was better than anything I came up with on my own the first two days. Kuro's entrance wasn't the towniest ever, especially with all those Amished tell posts. This works for me for right now.

So if the Rory case was so good, why are you only now voting Rory in Day 3?

I think Kuroi is scum, but I'm not sure how confident I can be in the amished tell. Trying not to be conf-bias.

Kuroi

A lot better than Rory, but what's done is done. And amished may be legit.

Realeo and io lack communication. Io votes Realeo for a pretty shitty reason. Realeo Acknowledges culted being L-3ed but then doesn't acknowledge Io L-2ing him.

Io/Fitz is scum, but what about Realeo makes you suspect him other than his lack of communication with a scum slot?

[BK201]

VOTE: Kuroi

[BK201]

I Kinda think Kuroi is town lol

Is Realeo just PoE then?

[BK201]

Fitz, read on Kuroi?

[BK201]

Kuroi looks kinda like someone that subbed into a bad town slot and has been dealing with flak from it.

Well I know that's at least the pitch he's going with. What do you think of the amished tell applied to Kuroi?

[BK201]

Hey guys, without getting personal I don't live somewhere that has internet access anymore. I will go on here as often as I can get that mcdonalds wifi or public library. Also I haven't figured out the equivalent of a space bar on my phone so bare with me.

[BK201]

It's an old phone. I think it's called Samsung Galaxy Pocket Plus lmao. Will be on a computer in a bit though. And I'm sorry I have a space bar,I meant the equivalent to the enter/next line key.

[BK201]

So I worked things out and I'm moving back into my place, meaning I'll have wifi and a pc. My next post will be tonight or tomorrow morning.

[BK201]

I always want to lynch KMD, but I cannot tell why...It's a weird vibe...

About how many games have you played with KMD? Any games where KMD was scum?

I have a feeling that KMD is genuine scumhunting, but the logic feels awkward.

I just can't tell if it's play style or scum trying to busy.

Scum don't need to "stay busy" in multi-ball.

I was suspecting Gamma up through end of D1 but I think he is a good possibility for both teams targetting combined with the observation that he hasn't received hardly any attention D2. He and Rory both reached L-3 near the end of D1 but I just feel like Gamma was more likely to get 2 targets. He was at L-4 much longer than Rory and closer to the end of D1.

Did we ever discuss this theory to the point of actual wagon analysis?

Gamma wagon: Transcend, Io, Not_Mafia, Rory. It died then grew again to be Transcend, Rory, nn30, and Io.
nn30 has flipped town, and Transcend did get back onto that wagon later on D2. NM didn't keep on it through the full day. Io and Rory did though. They pushed it twice (citations pending) and then dropped it cold turkey the next day. If we theorize a Gamma NK target N1, we would probably assume the scumteams were pushing him throughout the day to get the other faction lynched (should they have both shot for scum). So looking at the votes, Io/Fitz and Rory should both be mafia, but on opposing teams. This is all if Gamma was the target and the reason for the wagon drop D2 was lack of momentum from the main people who pushed it D1.

I don't know if this makes any sense, since it is a theory on a theory. But hey, it's a start!

That's not a theory on a theory at all, you just repeated the theory Realeo and I came up with. Glad you understand it though.

So i got lynched right

Okay well i was town. Please sheep me tm.

Pretty sure you lynched the person who both factions killed.

...I was not the hammer, was I?

Actually since this is the 4th town death, scum need to cross kill.

Fitz / Realeo, take it from a pro. The scum are gamma and aris.

Also vice versa lol.

...I was not the hammer, was I?

L-3

...I was not the hammer, was I?

You were, but you're scum so don't even pretend to be ashamed.

Oh i thought i got lynched hmm

Transcend Is trying to fake towntell IMO.
VOTE: Transcend

Agreed. I wasn't sure if it was a reaction test but he went past that point and tried to act like it was legit. Lynch all liars.

Appreciated. So let me get this right, the case on me is based on two notions:
1. Rory was scummy.
2. I amished.

Point number one, I can't really do anything about. Point number two, I would find silly to only go on me on that point alone. I will say that I've played more than one scum game before on here and I've never amished. For me to start now wouldn't make much sense, given I don't really know anyone this game and this is an untested crowd for me.

Are there any other reasons?

For me it's mostly #1. I know you can't do anything about it, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

BTW, if Transcend flips scum, Gamma Emerald is almost confirmed town.

It's multi-ball, so it would only mean Gamma is almost conf not Transcend's partner. Unless you're going by the double NK Gamma theory, because I'm starting to think Transcend is scum, and he was one of the 3 implicated by our theory but I shrugged him off because of his erratic playstyle + rory/io being much worse at the time.

UNVOTE:

I doubt again that scum will put both eggs in one basket.

Which means, there's a fire, an ice, and an idiot in {Realeo, Fitz, Gamma}.

Leaning on Realeo being the idiot.

Hey bk here's a present for you.

VOTE: havingfitz

I appreciate it, this tells me Transcend is probably not partnered with Fitz. I'm thinking Transcend/NM or Transcend/Kuroi team.

VOTE: Aris

Realeo please stop confbiasing me.

BK201, I gave you an opportunity to vote your biggest scum read and you didn't take it. You're a big stinky.

I'm cool with gamma/aris voting me though.

I actually only posted those posts about my personal problems accessing internet (which are no longer a thing) and didn't read the thread. Probably wouldn't have taken it because you pretended you thought you were lynched for town points. "Oh, well I was town" lol.

[BK201]

Official Vote Count 1.3

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Io, Not_Mafia, Rory

Transcend (3)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman, culted

Realeo (1)

: BK201

BK201 (1)

: Joshz

SnarkySnowman (1)

: PenguinPower

Not Voting (3)

- nn30, Clemency, Realeo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Io, NM, Rory

Official Vote Count 1.9

nn30 (5)

: culted, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390, SnarkySnowman, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (4)

: Transcend, Rory, nn30, Io

Rory (2)

: Joshz, BK201

Transcend (1)

: Realeo

Not Voting (1)

- Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Transcend, Rory,

nn30

, Io

VCA indicates Transcend, Io, Rory, and to a lesser extent NM were all on Gamma's wagon and have he has completely dropped off their Radar.

Transcend drops wagons and starts wagons all the time so this tell doesn't implicate him.

Rory has not posted Day 2 yet, and it's too late to see what he would do after he reads Realo's theory, but I think he's scum. And he was on Gamma's wagon so it's likely scum!Rory believed Gamma was scum and tried to NK him. This only further confirms Rory is scum.

Io hasn't said one word about Gamma D2. Io is most probable scum for this and other reasons I've stated.

Not_Mafia implicated Gamma in post 854 along with a few others, but has not voted Gamma. But he is a troll so he does whatever he wants and doesn't seem to care. Less incriminating than Io though.

TL:DR More evidence that Rory is scum. Scummy Io and to a lesser extent NM.

I wrote off Transcend because of his erratic playstyle (only played one game with him prior to this though), but he is implicated by Gamma double NK theory more than Kurory because unfortunately Rory didn't have a chance to post until after this theory was brought up.

Transcend didn't mention Gamma during Day 2 until this theory came up, but he was on Gamma's ass Day 1. As Realo said he did vote him later, possibly to avoid this suspicion after we brought it up. Realo's case on Transcend seems legit too, and holds up with my NK theory.

But what puts the nail in the coffin to me is the Transcend pretending to get lynched. I don't buy it. I thought maybe it was a reaction test but he tried to act like it was legit.

So i got lynched right

Okay well i was town. Please sheep me tm.

Pretty sure you lynched the person who both factions killed.

At L-3. I'm not saying he needs to count votes, but there were several comments between this one and "oh I thought I got lynched" and he just ignored them to continue his fake town-tell. Not logical. The only way this came from town is if it was a reaction test, but it does not come off that way at all.

VOTE: Transcend

[BK201]

That's L-2.

I'm thinking Transcend/Kuroi or Transcend/NM team.

Gamma and Realeo are probably town.

[BK201]

As for Transcend's partner, you should NK Fitz.

Io/Fitz is most probably a scum slot, and you can't afford to be wrong anymore. It's in your best interest as you want to eliminate the other team too.

[BK201]

So if it's likely a scum slot why not bloody lynch it

Because you're the scummiest one now.

Bk you're doing the thing where you're targeting all the easy slots you did last time and i don't like it.

But my reads vs. The wagon construction on me are off kilter.

Yeah I went after some easy targets last game as scum, but I don't always do that + Fitz is no easy target, that guy is far more experienced than I. When him and I were scum last game I was highly impressed by his performance. You by no means are ever an easy target. I don't even know Kuroi, but he's not an easy target. Io definitely wasn't. You could argue Rory was, but that's it, he was scummy though. Guess who was an easy target though, SS was and I was actually right about him being lynch-bait.

[BK201]

off kilter.

Meaning what?

[BK201]

That's L-2.

I'm thinking Transcend/Kuroi or Transcend/NM team.

Gamma and Realeo are probably town.

Is it opposite day?

I know you either don't suspect Transcend, or you are his partner, but what are the rest of your reads? I think we should know as you don't say much.

[BK201]

and before I take my dog poop, what do you think about Transcend faking he got lynched? You can't buy that.

P-Edit: Very funny, 3 Gammas lol.

[BK201]

NM, are you any more serious as town compared to as scum?

Transcend, I don't want to get your hopes up because I'm pretty set on your lynch today. But feel free to plead your case, I have presented the reasons I find you scummy.

[BK201]

I don't have a defense

You just jumped on a scum motivated wagon.

I'll indulge you since it's multi-ball. Who's scum on your wagon?

[BK201]

I think it's gamma and aris. Realeo is probably town and i think you might be town.

Can you go into detail on these reads? Besides gut.

[BK201]

No I'm bad at articulation

If you have to flip me then fine but i just implore you to unvote since it will be the third mislynch and 5t4m which is not good for greens.

I think we're lynching scum today, so that will help.

[BK201]

Thanks for the game, Light.

Great scum-game by KMD, even though we totally forgot to submit one of our NK's.

Very clever gambit, Ari. Mad respect for you. You increased the odds of town winning, but it was a pretty dire situation to begin with.

Was my first multi-mafia game, had fun playing with everyone.

I'm going to object to releasing the Ice PT unless Realeo allows the Fire PT to be shared

.

[BK201]

I'm now 5-1 as scum

[BK201]

I just remembered I did play one multi-ball before this one, but I was lynched or killed within the first day, I think?

Anyways my one loss as scum is to another scum team. Have yet to lose to town

[BK201]

Spoiler:

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you do

not

think I'm scum, you

are

suggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.

Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Considering the possibility that I was the NK is scummy? By that logic Transcend is scum too but I don't see you mentioning him. That's about as good as your fear-lynch on me.

Io does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting, just tunneling on me and doesn't even have a case/gut on me. It's fear-lynch turned possible conf bias. Or scum being lazy. FOS Io. Would vote you but Rory is still scummier.

At this point it's not even a fear lying. You are actually just being scummy now.
You're just taking my argument and vote and just laughing at it rather than trying to do anything remotely pro town.
You also say Im tunneling but not scum reading. You can't just fence sit like that, fucking call me scum if you're going to do it rather than just ignoring and brushing me off.

Tell me where I laughed at your argument and vote. Tell me that trying to lynch Rory is not remotely pro town. You are tunneling, but town do that too. You weren't scum reading me until I mentioned that I might have been the NK, which I have elaborated as to why I think that is a real possibility, e-peen aside. It's true I find you scummy, 1.) because fear-lynch, 2.) because you ignored Transcend's request for a reads list 3.) and I don't see you scumhunting, (besides me thinking I was the NK), that's all I have seen since you started the fear-lynch day 1. If it wasn't for Rory I would probably be voting you right now, so call that fence-sitting. I call it I have an even scummier scum I'm going to lynch. And based off the above quotes, I did not ignore you or brush you off. Literally everything in your post 845 is wrong and I have proven you wrong, scum.

You're an actually real life piece of shit you know. You're entire interaction with me is just to make my arguments and everything I do sound stupid like I don't know a fucking thing about the game. You cannot be town from this alone since that is the single most anti-town thing you can do to encourage a player to be ignored. If you are actually town you should actually quit this game and let someone with actual skill at arguing without just attaching their opponent.

You make posts like this to just make fun of me and act like i'm just some idiot for scum reading you.

you werent the night kill lmao

transcend is just being el trollito

It's very possible, especially if Rory is scum. Nobody was trying as hard to lynch him as I was. Also with Io trying to fear-lynch me, maybe that intimidated both factions haha.

Then the rest of your post (the one I quoted initially) is just pure bullshit garbage and a flat out lie I was scum reading you yesterday. You're not even a fear lynch anymore, it was a fear suspicion if anything which turns out to have been true since you went full on scummy today. Your arguments for why you would be nightkilled is bullshit if not for the fact that you think I'm scum which I wouldn't kill the one person who I can easily lynch since they are scum. Then the whole you fence sitting is atrociously clear when you even start the post out with fence sitting saying that I'm tunneling you but town can do that too. I know I'm tunneling you, that's because you have not given a single reason for me to believe you could even possibly be town. You don't scum hunt, the scum reads you do form are completely baseless if not ad hoc based on how you just add points to why you think I'm scum, which you still haven't even voted me which makes you extremely disgenuine. Not to mention you're reasons for scum reading me are basically for scum reading you and because you couldn't be bothered to read any of day 1. I already had given my reads I said you were scum and that was the only read I can be 100% confident in right now.

Io, I am sorry I upset you so much - it wasn't intentional. However, I do think you severely overreacted.

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@Fire Mafia - Why did you choose to NK me? Or is that why you don't want to release your PT, Realeo?

@Light, if Fire releases their PT, then you can automatically release Ice PT.

[BK201]

You want to keep a possible doc tell you used secret, that's understandable.

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@Light, you may release the Ice PT if Kmd doesn't object.