Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Nahdia]

"they flipped town so they were conftown"
good job, dude.

[Nahdia]

no. they weren't.

[Nahdia]

People we aren't lynching: pisskop, pieguyn.

[Nahdia]

pisskop pointed out during Night 1 (before Varsoon flipped) that his role states he's in every neighborhood. meaning the claim that varsoon & wisdom have a private hood together was a fakeclaim. meaning they're both scum from his point of view.

again he did this Night 1, before the mafia team even knew Varsoon was getting shot. there's no way pisskop would out both his partners like that. he can't be on a team with them, and im doubtful he's scum in a 9-2-1 or 9-2-2 setup.

[Nahdia]

iunno, he's been pushing aero as SK since day 2. i just don't see it. i

guess

it's possible but he's like, one of the very last guys i'd lynch atm.

[Nahdia]

v_v

[Nahdia]

why doesn't luna work with varsoon & wisdom again?

[Nahdia]

im not totally sold on gamma being town either, but meh.

[Nahdia]

I'm just going to ignore what Aero is saying since he obviously either A) doesn't have all his thoughts together or B) is throwing shade at me.

Well allow me, the IC, to second what Aero just said.

[Nahdia]

another thing is - I mean no offense to GE, but I really do not think he's the type of scum player who would think of an abstract play like no-killing every night so that town lynches the vig based on SK/multiball paranoia.

someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I remember him being a player who usually gets lynched early as scum and that would be some really next-level shit if he completely turned that around and thought to do something like that.

Well who WOULD you expect to make such a play?

[Nahdia]

Curious.

[Nahdia]

English?

[Nahdia]

(That was at pisskop)

[Nahdia]

Implying you ever were considering her confed................????????????

[Nahdia]

As foretold in the prophecy.

[Nahdia]

I would be more willing to entertain the possibility of pieguyn being scum purely on role speculation if it weren't for the fact that pieguyn is transparently town.

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

Especially if pieguyn is a traitor, meaning they don't have control over their faction's kills, lmao.

[Nahdia]

It's entirely null

lol

[Nahdia]

Last night would have been the night to kill me if they had the ability, considering Luna was blocking you. When I die, you become conftown anyway.

[Nahdia]

pieguyn if we're ever scum together you should claim backup IC and i'll claim actual IC but refuse to confirm a few days in.

[Nahdia]

it's brilliant, really.

[Nahdia]

huh

[Nahdia]

oh.

mazel tov!

[Nahdia]

So how do you explain the fact that pisskop confirmed both Varsoon and Wisdom as scum during Night 1?

[Nahdia]

Seriously, the willful ignorance around here is kind of crazy.

This seems super simple to me
I'm taking Luna as basically conftown now, so I want to lynch PK and if it's not him, have Luna block Pie again
Or she can block me if she so wishes to try to test around

Why is Luna conftown now?

[Nahdia]

Why would he out both of them though? Why?????

[Nahdia]

That's like, literally selling out your entire team. Insanity.

[Nahdia]

Because his role REQUIRES him to do that or have suspicion cast on him.

. . .No?

[Nahdia]

Think about if pisskop was vigged instead of Varsoon. He didn't mention a neighborhood with V and W, meaning they're confscum. GG town.

.....................And? If he's scum he's scum. What the fuck are you even saying?

[Nahdia]

Regardless of whether pisskop says anything or not, we know from pisskop's role PM that Varsoon and Wisdom are scum. Once he's dead it's not like he needs to worry about towntelling more.

If anything, them claiming that demonstrates pisskop isn't on a team with them; he coulda told Varsoon and Wisdom that his role contradicts a claim of being in a hood together. pisskop can only be scum if he's a traitor.

[Nahdia]

Regardless of whether pisskop says anything or not, we know from pisskop's role PM that Varsoon and Wisdom are scum. Once he's dead it's not like he needs to worry about towntelling more.

If anything, them claiming that demonstrates pisskop isn't on a team with them; he coulda told Varsoon and Wisdom that his role contradicts a claim of being in a hood together. pisskop can only be scum if he's a traitor.

But if he is scum with them, he has to bus them based on his role. If he flips, then V and W are confscum for fakeclaiming a neighborhood.

Oh my god.

Ok, let's try this. Let's say you're scum with Alice and Bob. In your role PM, it says "Alice and Bob are scum with you". And for whatever reason, you know that if you die, that part of your role PM will flip to.

DO YOU TELL EVERYONE THAT ALICE AND BOB ARE SCUM?

[Nahdia]

You're being

incredibly

dense, Gamma. I know you're smarter than this. Take a step back and rethink this, you're flat out

wrong

here.

[Nahdia]

Oh my god. Dude.

[Nahdia]

You're so fucking stupid.

[Nahdia]

He said it in a NEIGHBORHOOD. WithOUT THE VIG IN IT.

[Nahdia]

And regardless of if he tells us when he's alive or we find out when he's dead, we still find out one way or another that Wisdom & Varsoon are confscum.

[Nahdia]

Christ almighty. If that was your point then why didn't you get to it 50 fucking posts ago.

It's a bad point, because pisskop was in no danger of dying, but at least it makes some logical sense

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Remilia Scarlet

[Nahdia]

fucking knew it.

her name is in RED, guys.

[Nahdia]

That's L-1 btw.

[Nahdia]

boo.

[Nahdia]

Well, here's the thing. And I mean, we can no lynch again today to test this.

If scum can kill, they should have killed last night, specifically killed me. Because killing me while you're blocked doesn't matter since you'll be cleared anyway if I die. The only other possibility is that YOU'RE scum. And at this point I'm pretty much banking my game on that not being a thing.

So I don't think the final scum can kill and we're either going to be the final two or we're going to happy ever after.

[Nahdia]

Oh right, arsons are a thing. Hmm.

[Nahdia]

I guess, kinda, yeah.

I still really don't see why lynching pisskop is on the table.

[Nahdia]

so, explain to me this plan then because i don't get it.

we lynch pisskop, we're at 5, Cakez is blocked clearing him if there's a kill. and then we're in mylo between Luna & Gamma?

[Nahdia]

or, alternatively, there's no kill and we have 2 lynches to decide between Cakez, Gamma, & Luna.

[Nahdia]

if a kill happens then Cakez is clear which condemns Luna in 4p.

except

gamma emerald really definitely totally isn't clear, girl.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: no lynch

[Nahdia]

i'm really not sure. i mean, i could lynch Cakez I guess, i dont know. I'm pretty even between him and Gamma.

[Nahdia]

I'm still not sure why you actually think GE is town.

[Nahdia]

I mean, I'm basically just reaching the point where no one is overtly anything to me and i'm suspicious of confident reads. That's my default late-game state.

I'm also approaching the point where I want to lynch my own slot to force you to confirm and then you guide the game the rest of the way, either by confirming and dictating lynches, or by failing to confirm and being lynched yourself.

Or, you know, we lynch me and then you die at night. Which sounds bleak except for the fact that both Luna & Cakez present a clear or, in SirCakez' case, a clear or a guilty. In that scenario, and regardless of their own alignment, the reality of only one scum being left confirms those are both truthful (unless, of course, we're dealing with an ascetic or a ninja final scum. But that calls into questions a fuckton of other stuff that's been happening and I generally just doubt it.). And regardless of if both PR's get clears or if Cakez get a guilty, the final game state ends up being either Luna resolving the CC instantaneously, or Luna & 1 other thus confirmed town deciding between a final CC. Which ends up being pretty much equivilant to what happens if you're left alive and someone else dies. Or you being left alive and no one else dying.

[Nahdia]

especially when he won't listen to anything I say anyway even if I *was* to confirm myself.

pisskop?

[Nahdia]

No, I mean, I'm asking pisskop to speak to that statement.

[Nahdia]

It seems pretty obvious to me scum is intentionally nokilling due to fears of being tracked/blocked and then being incriminated

Good point
Just the track then

my problem is that this is a valid point.

[Nahdia]

you're missing a few things
1) HEA isn't a win so let's not aim for it please
2) the only viable route to a scum victory here is to mislynch

SirCakez or Luna Fox

today then win a claim/CC situation in 4p the next day.

[Nahdia]

I mean, my understanding is that neither the mechanic nor the philosophy that goes with it of "meteor" (an EpicMafia term) doesn't exist on MafiaScum. If this were EM, would could legally (in the games' laws anyway) obligate mafia to eventually kill someone. But I don't think that exists here?

[Nahdia]

If both SirCakez & Luna are alive tonight, scum is going to continue being scared shitless of killing at night, meaning they we won't progress to 4p MYLO, we'll progress to 5p LYLO+1

[Nahdia]

That all sounds about right.

I'm just trying to logic out if lynching in {SirCakez, Luna} might be potentially shooting ourselves in the foot as opposed to lynching in {pisskop, Gamma}.

[Nahdia]

lovin' these bah posts with style.

[Nahdia]

because i felt sure killing dwlee would end the game, and killing beeboy would end the game, and killing aero would end the game.

[Nahdia]

uhg.

i guess.

VOTE: sircakez

[Nahdia]

this just feels wrong

[Nahdia]

idk. i just dont get what the heck is going on with this game, really. i guess we can lynch cakez. i dont see any better plan.

[Nahdia]

at this point i consider further thinking just overthinking so yolo

[Nahdia]

...........i'm the innocent child.

[Nahdia]

maybe you should have done SOME reading, dude. there hasnt been a single mafia kill. your roleblock doesn't mean shit. good to know mafia didnt even try to kill though. that's helpful.

[Nahdia]

I haven't used the power because there's a backup IC and if I trigger my ability, they can't confirm themselves when I die. But yes, I am claiming innocent child. I claimed it days ago. Unvote me.

[Nahdia]

Seriously, read the game.

[Nahdia]

oh my god.

dude.
EVERYONE ELSE HAS CLAIMED.

THERE HAS BEEN NO MAFIA KILL THE ENTIRE GAME. NONE. ZERO. ZIP.

[Nahdia]

PLEASE BRING LUNA BACK HOLY FUCK.

[Nahdia]

you DUMB FUCK.

[Nahdia]

Here Dominator. I'm going to going to try once with you. If this doesn't get through to you, I'm done.

Day 1 we lynched town. There was no mafia kill, but the town tracker saw Varsoon (who flipped mafia night 1) visiting Aeronaut (who later flipped town). Aeronaut had a shot of BP, which explains the lack of a death.

Day 2, we lynched Wisdom, who was mafia. Night 2, Aeronaut shot mhsmith0. There was no mafia kill, no BP shots left, and as had already been claimed you dense fuck, you blocked beeboy (who later flipped town). Either mafia shot mhsmith0 or there was no mafia kill at all.

Day 3 we lynched dwlee, who was town. Night 3, Aeronaut shot beeboy. There was no mafia kill, and Aeronaut's shot was pre-claimed, so it definitely wasn't a case of shot stacking. Mafia didn't kill for some other reason.

Day 4 we lynched Aeronaut, who flipped town. Night 4, no one died. Mafia didn't kill anyone.

Day 5, we lynched no one. No one died at night.

Day 6, we lynched SirCakez. No one died at night.

You were blocking different people every night. Everyone has full claimed. There are no other kill stopping abilities. Mafia does not have the ability to kill, clearly.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

[Nahdia]

Why in God's name would you replace into a game if you're going to refuse to read any of it. My god.

[Nahdia]

Claims:

Myself: IC
pieguyn: Backup IC
Gamma Emerald: VT
pisskop: Universal Neighbor (he was in both neighborhoods, his role specifically told him he was in ALL neighborhoods, which is important because Varsoon & Wisdom fakeclaimed being in a hood together)
You: Roleblocker

we don't know how many mafia are left. Presumably 1, as 10-3 is standard.

[Nahdia]

Oh, nice catch. On the other hand though, would a scum roleblocker who hasn't read any of the thread instantly claim?

[Nahdia]

i'm actually not 100% opposed to being lynched.

It means pieguyn is confirmed tomorrow either way (as town or scum, that is) and then chooses who she wants to take to the end of the game.

Alternatively, scum reveals they can kill, pieguyn dies at night, and whoever Dominator blocked decides between the final two unclears.

Neither is exactly a terrible situation.

[Nahdia]

The alternative being town presumes both pieguyn and myself are town and just continues lynching elsewhere. We lynch one of pisskop/Gamma today, Dominator blocks the other.

[Nahdia]

I just don't get it. WHY would Luna lie about who she blocked? And WHY would she block SirCakez at all?

@mod What result would a hypothetical tracker who was roleblocked receive? No result or no visit?

[Nahdia]

Serious question: why do you think Dominator no killed then?

[Nahdia]

..i think it happened

[Nahdia]

pie i'll trust you and if it's wrong i want you to promise you won't hate yourself.

we have at least another day anyway.

[Nahdia]

i mean, depends on if anyone dies, but as a general plan of action i think that's when we lynch gamma emerald.

im telling myself that paranoia is something that happens to me every game i play when it gets late. so i'm still pretty much banking this game on you being town. if you're not then like, good for you fam u earned it.

[Nahdia]

i wouldnt use the term certain, but i think he's more likely town than gamma or dom

[Nahdia]

I mean, originally it was to force scum to kill around us, since I assumed they could kill.

[Nahdia]

........................

[Nahdia]

VOTE: td37

[Nahdia]

im gonna reread day 1, gimmie some time.

[Nahdia]

alright i guess im down to lynch gamma.

[Nahdia]

right uh,so should i confirm or

[Nahdia]

i dont really wanna make GiF go through the effort of replacing gamma if we're just gonna lynch 'em

[Nahdia]

sooooooooo.... now I reveal?

[Nahdia]

mod, do the thing

[Nahdia]

yay

VOTE: gamma emerald

sry if wrong idk man whoever is scum has played well.

[Nahdia]

i was gonna be p sad if you were scum here.

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

think.

[Nahdia]

i mean, pisskop basically outted both mafia during night 1?

[Nahdia]

it would also mean both neighborhoods were two scum 1 town. albeit 1 scum was traitor.

[Nahdia]

idk. im just honestly really surprised it's one of you.

[Nahdia]

or maybe pisskop is just some freaky no kill serial killer. cause that's not a troll as fuck role or anything.

[Nahdia]

yeah yeah im trying not to lend much credence to setup spec. don't wanna repeat of Zelda mafia.

[Nahdia]

mm. i so badly want to buy all the self-meta, but i ain't no sucker.

i'll do some more reading and see what pisskop has to say i guess.

[Nahdia]

i need 13 days and 23 hours for mental preparations to make this decision.

[Nahdia]

actually, i need exactly (expired on 2017-02-07 11:37:47).

[Nahdia]

you can't see it without quoting the post but dont worry, i set it so that deadline hits 1 second before the actualy deadline. we're good.

[Nahdia]

yeah yeah sure i'll work with u dw fam.

[Nahdia]

pieguyn my friend whom i am currently working with; wtf was the deal with u pushing dominator on that "slip" thing cause that so wasn't a slip at all and i so called it. were u actually that sure before he flipped?

[Nahdia]

at the time i was lowkey concerned u were overselling it to get the guy lynched??

[Nahdia]

accident leading to her replacement?

[Nahdia]

i remember in paint mafia u wouldnt friggin lynch katsuki.

[Nahdia]

mm. that particular tell has more success in chat mafia i've found. it's still something that pings me to an extent though.

[Nahdia]

but yeah i mean i would consider it just as likely that you forgot i look for that sort of thing, then remembered after you did it, and are now using it as a point in your defense, failing not doing it in the first place.

not saying that's what happened just... it's not much good from my perspective.

[Nahdia]

I started to type out a long paragraph about how I wasnt scum, and then realized thats what'd Id do as scum.

...smarmy. off to a bad start, my man.

[Nahdia]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Nahdia]

What if the twist is that this game wasn't for pieguyn at all. It was for GiF and those two secretly switched accounts, making all of this self-meta invalid!!

[Nahdia]

Pisskop my man I'm probably gonna hammer how. Make like a therapeutic patient and tell make how that makes you feel.

[Nahdia]

Hammer you*
Sry phone posting

[Nahdia]

Oo congrats

[Nahdia]

Payback for Zelda mafia

I don't consider pie's play obvious scum, no?? By claim and tone I'd call them town and by actual actions... I'm a bit split but there's nothing SUPER damning?

[Nahdia]

I really just. Idk. I know pieguyn. I think I know 'em anyway. I really don't see the narrative of a heavy emotional manipulation player being her archetype or whatever.

[Nahdia]

It's possible it just sort of panned out that way though I guess.

Pisskop I'd say Evoker u were in a way different position on the last day but eh

[Nahdia]

This is hard.

[Nahdia]

I have been answering your posts??

[Nahdia]

Okay.

So Im kind of but not really here.


I see a lot of spam from pie. I can only expect she wants to close out strong. pie was always strong-spirited. Its why effort=/=alignment.


Why I am town:

- I just rolled scum in like 2 of my last 3 games. -> odds are heavily against it mechanically.

this is called gambler's fallacy. it doesn't actually work like that

- I caught Wis and outed Varsoon. -> did we forget that Bboy and dwelee happened? They go out of their way to explain how I outed the hood and was hunting with my role.

i brought that up. it's a thing im considering. but both your claims lean heavily town for me.

- I am not acting like my scum game. and even pie has admitted it. dont think, at least. the curse of self-meta and all. Self-meta is a bad practice for many reasons, but you are a poor neutral observer of yourself.

self-meta but thanks for saying so i guess it sounds genuine idk.

- I am putting in

effort

into this. Normally effort is something I save for school and the gym.

you just said effort=/=alignment like.... a minute ago.

Why is Pie scum:

- Holy hell.
- Her claim was guaranteed untestable due to mechancis.

unless i died?

- - Stay with me here. there has been no scumkill this game. We know a red maf is around. Traitor is the most likely suspect. A pie-traitor who was surfing for inauguration into the scumteam (by being killed traitors can be made 'full' scum, usually) goes and sinks the strong LG but weakish EG player wisdom in order to raise a giant flag that outs herself to anyone who knows her and is looking for a traitor. That flips scum, and then she is stuck with it.
Luckily for her, her claim of backup IC lets her literally skate to the endgame unchallenged. Except for me.

- Her play has been opportunistic. She's killed the hood because she needed to reduce the number of confirmed townies. She's tried several times to suggest (but slyly not push for) a Policy Lynch on me for being me. She's been goading people, regularly insults people for suspecting her, and constantly underplays the value of the contributions of the other players compared to her.

the hood was never confirmed townies -_-

- The game was DESIGNED to piss off Pie. Would being a traitor scum piss her off more or would being a backup ic with a second ic in reserve piss her off more? Yea, traitor.

pretty sure fixing the role distribution is bastard???

- the setup makes a second confirmed townie almost abhorrent to the idea of balance. Lets look. We have

1. Fruit vendor
   
2. 2 VT neighbors
   
3. 1 multi-hood neighbor
   
4. a town vig
   
5. an innocent child with the option to out at day
   
6. a roleblocker
   
7. a tracker
   
   
8. 2 scum Goon Neighbors with no special powers
   
9. a mysterious scum with no kill powers and a safe claim
   
   Quick. balance that game out for anything other than a town win.
   
   well i mean besides the fact that the mafia were actually faith healers so they did have special powers, yes this is definitely something i've thought about. i mean, the tracker and roleblocker are totally useless against a scum that doesn't kill. the vig is pretty much designed to be lynched. but yes it's still a stronger point in your favor i think.

[Nahdia]

Im asking you to compare your expectations of our respective plays to what you expect.

I hunt using personality when I can. Im saving up an expectation of your level of play every time we play, and I compare you to that. Its why people like aero were somewhat flagging. He tends to deflect when scum.

you don't want me to go down that road, bud. that road leads to me figuring that i've once again failed to read you correctly and hammer you basically previously when i've townread you you've been scum.

[Nahdia]

because* previously

[Nahdia]

yeah pisskop i'm sorry but you're wrong. probabilistic events happen independent of each other.

[Nahdia]

it's definitely possible.

[Nahdia]

also aside but i've flipped scum 6 games in a row before so.

[Nahdia]

pisskop what was your initial thoughts when varsoon claimed to be in a hood with wisdom

[Nahdia]

Wisdom didnt clarify his hood status with varsoon. and etc al

Wait Pisskop if Wisdom is scum what is keeping you ambiguous at this point?

??? ambiguous? all that's left is my role name.

this is all i really see you saying on the subject. then again they were like, ur only posts on day 2. some clarification would be grand.

[Nahdia]

this interaction happened right after he claimed?

[Nahdia]

can you give me some like, rough timestamps of when u asked and when he responded. like, date and morning/afternoon/whatever

[Nahdia]

humor me a bit more, pie. no stone left unturned, except for all the ones i dont bother unturning.

[Nahdia]

that's not what i asked for pisskop. This post. THIS post:

Fairly certain that's L-1.

I'm a faith-healer. I don't know if that makes me the Doctor that Drealz backs up, but what it does do is allow me to protect people from being killed 50% of the time.
I have a neighborhood with Dwlee and Pisskop. We've made 4 pages of posts and have had good times in there. Both players have confided in me and vice-versa.
I have a neighborhood with Wisdom. It's not even at a page. Wisdom hasn't claimed anything in there, and seems to prefer just talking to me in the game thread.

My scumreads are on Drealz and Sircakez. Drealz, for his claim and his play. Cakez solely for play, especially in the half-cocked support of my wagon and general scumpainting.
I am skeptical about Aeronaut, Wisdom, and Pieguyn. Wisdom has largely been grilling me for the whole game, but it feels like he's been trying to nudge me from the drealz wagon to voting Cakez this whole time instead. Aeronaut's claim still gives me bad vibes, especially given the roles I feel must be town/scum in this game. A miller with a lot of power? Sounds like just scum with a lot of power to me. Finally, Pieguyn's push on me has been disrespectful and blatantly false on several accounts, often levying themselves as this guiding townvoice against me--If scum, I highly imagne Pieguyn snowing the shit out of this game, so I suggest lynching this in LYLO if we even make it that far.
I have townreads on Nahdia, Beeboy, Luna, Pisskop, and, to a lesser extent, Dwlee, Mhsmith and Gamma. Don't lynch Beeboy, Pisskop, or Nahdia in this game.

VOTE: Drealz
Let's seal the drealz and get back to what should've happened 20 pages ago.

there's a week between this post and the end of d1.

When THIS POST was made, your reaction in thread was thus:

WHOLLY FUCK WIS DOES THIS EXIST?

WHOLLY FUCK WIS DOES THIS EXIST?

I mean [cough].

Now, you were in a neighborhood with Varsoon. I don't need exact quotes or exact timestamps, but I want to know the following:

What did you ask him about this? Roughly when (what date & time of day) did you ask him about this?
How did he respond to your questions? Roughly when (what date & time of day) did he respond?

that is what i

need

right now, pisskop. give it to me.

[Nahdia]

give it to me. give me what i ask.

[Nahdia]

i dont care about your thing. i need what i asked u for.

[Nahdia]

30 Nov 2016 20:23 okay. That is on page 7 of 12, btw. We had quite a long talk in the hood.

hey

You said you had a second hood but didnt claim it

no reason to unless i was pressed. I dont want to give it away because night actions might be affected

this was. the entire interaction?

[Nahdia]

that's all that was said on the subject?

[Nahdia]

that doesn't even make sense in context im confused.

[Nahdia]

when did this happen? also, three people? he said it was just him and wisdom in the thread.

[Nahdia]

i'm not following you at all.

[Nahdia]

WHOLLY FUCK WIS DOES THIS EXIST?

WHOLLY FUCK WIS DOES THIS EXIST?

I mean [cough].

can you explain this huge reaction? was there something in particular going through your head at this point?

And like I said, 1 night to catch a liar or to let them sort themselves out doesnt hurt. plus a Varsoon was NKed, not lynched, so its not like I wouldnt have caught him and whomever.

so at this point, you believed he was likely lying?

[Nahdia]

so lemme see if i'm getting this right.

your thought process is that varsoon claimed something you know can't be true, but you let it slide, because if you get wisdom to confirm the claim, you have them both as confscum?

so what did you and wisdom discuss? what did wisdom say about this varsoon hood n1?

so at this point, you believed he was likely lying?

Not at all. I told you I was reaction testing. Can you not?

can you explain this huge reaction? was there something in particular going through your head at this point?

He had so much detail I figured that his rope or lack of it would hang himself for D2 or D3.
and, I didnt want to blow my lo- infos out before I even got a chance to converse with dwe and wisdom.

I mean, you gotta work with me if you want me to continue this.

excuse you? answer my questions clearly if you want to work with me.

[Nahdia]

Not at all. I told you I was reaction testing. Can you not?

So you BELIEVED his claim?

[Nahdia]

I asked him in the hood.
He said that he would explain later and to trust him.
He then answered my questions regarding day/night chat, what they said in rather vivid details, and he had before said he was in a hood.


He had so much detail I figured that his rope or lack of it would hang himself for D2 or D3.

so varsoon claims something you know can't be right. but you give him a pass, figuring he'll get lynched d2 or d3. or you were reaction testing him? sorry, i dont understand where the reaction test comes in.

[Nahdia]

alright, let me try being blunt.

what was your read on varsoon after he claimed, on day 1.

[Nahdia]

figure that thread lock was because pisskop was directly quoting from his hood, which is pretty much a huge no-no.

[Nahdia]

also sorry ive been kind of ignoring you pie. trying to get to the bottom of something in particular.

[Nahdia]

can you just tell me if i'm being dense or if pisskop's responses to my questions are actually really fucking difficult to parse?

[Nahdia]

i'm not even following that far. i feel like i ask him something and he answers something completely different. it's like we're on entirely different wavelengths.

[Nahdia]

one word answer. after varsoon claimed d1, you felt he was:

[ ] Town
[ ] Mafia
[ ] Null

say any-fucking-thing else besides one of those single syllable god damn words in response and i will immediately hammer you.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: pisskop

[Nahdia]

All I wanted you was to claim what your read was on Varsoon and you wouldn't do it, dude.

[Nahdia]

Like, if you consider being asked for your reads so demeaning that you had to immediately throw in the towel and take an action you knew would immediately cause you to lose... wowzers.

[Nahdia]

Obtuse? I asked you flat out for a single word answer.

What I purposefully did not point out was that you were vocally townreading & defending Varsoon immediately after he claimed. Simultaneously, you demonstrated that you were cognizant that Varsoon's claim was in conflict with your role. I was trying to find out whether that was an actual inconsistency indicating you were scum (as I very strongly suspected) or if you had something else going through your head.

[Nahdia]

Your failure to commit to a read one way or the other though just made me more and more certain that yeah, there was no way you were town in that situation.

[Nahdia]

Town really doesn't deserve a W when they lynch everyone but the IC and claimed backup IC.

we had to be very thorough, you see.

[Nahdia]

surviving to the end with pieguyn alone was always the plan. always. definitely.

[Nahdia]

really had to have been a traitor, considering varsoon wouldn't have made that claim if he was aware of pisskop's role (presumably)

[Nahdia]

once again i fail to read pisskop. if i had been more thorough earlier on i would have realized the huge inconsistency i did during this lylo but had to senselessly murder everyone else first, of course.

[Nahdia]

really had to have been a traitor, considering varsoon wouldn't have made that claim if he was aware of pisskop's role (presumably)

Could have missed the pregame chat window though

I spose? personally when i host games where mafia only have night chat, i inform all of them of each other's roles by default so that doesn't become an issue.

[Nahdia]

anyway thanks for modding gif. i had a lot of fun anyway.

[Nahdia]

my greatest regret was the aero lynch.

that sad pikachu really got me, man.

[Nahdia]

i mean, he wasn't exactly wrong. it was always gonna be a major stretch for me to lynch pieguyn.

[Nahdia]

oh, right, evoker. now that both games is over i can post this.

dreal is being a bit more spazzy than im used to him being. either he flipped scum for the first(?) time and is overcorrecting himself, or he used caffeinated soap in the shower today.

for the record, i frequently make statements like this which don't take into account ongoing games; i did something like it in FA's recently finished Dota mafia where i said i had never seen Dunnstral as scum (i had, but in an ongoing game).

i guess i understand people don't realize i'm never including ongoing games when i make statements like that but still, just felt the need to point out.

[Nahdia]

i am very very very strict about my ongoing games rules.

[Nahdia]

that's happened to me before =( aero never gave me the dead PT for college mafia and i specced all by myself for 2 days. always ask.

[Nahdia]

I fear for the 3P LYLO with Pisskop, Nahdia, and Pie.

lmao

[Nahdia]

i feel like all the people in the dead thread forgot that pisskop literally outted both mafia. that's why he wasn't lynched sooner.

[Nahdia]

beeboy, who i convinced a pokemon to brutally gun down, insisted i never ever lynch pisskop. dwlee said pretty much the same. and yeah, i misread pisskop's tone on top of that, but were i to do it all again, i think i'd end up lynching in the same order i did this game. There was more reason to think pisskop was town than the others. It was only when i closely inspected d1 again that I realized pisskop was actually really inconsistent wrt his role & varsoon's claim. which i only really found because i was like, 99% sure pieguyn was town.

[Nahdia]

I mean, there are ways pisskop could have explained that which I would have accepted as quite possibly town. And all the other players on the list didn't leave major impressions on me in terms of "this player is def X alignment". so even if i had noticed that, i might have still lynched in the same order.

I was asked in an "obtuse" manner on the final day because I was trying to avoid giving pisskop the answer I would have accepted. As I saw it, here's the possible town approach to pisskop's play:
"When Varsoon claimed, I knew he was very likely scum. I kept townreading him publicly in the thread and telling him I would trust him because I didn't want to be nightkilled. I knew that if I could survive to the night and get Wisdom to confirm Varsoon's claim, I would have two confirmed scum."
But pisskop didn't answer that way, he dodged the question and at times seemed to give multiple explanations and seemed scattered, all over the place.

[Nahdia]

was asking* in

[Nahdia]

And yeah, he

kinda

got at that but there he sort of had to work his way there and even as he said it, it felt like he was avoiding saying anything concrete. Wouldn't tell me his actual read on the dude, just that he planned to talk to Wisdom that night.

[Nahdia]

And then there's the fact that he let the drealmerz7 lynch go through (and in fact voted with it), which is a wagon that was led by Varsoon, and in fact even joined it early. If he knew Varsoon was v likely mafia, that's odd to say the least. That would have been my next line of questioning if pisskop had gotten that far.

[Nahdia]

i mean i came into the last day wanting to be thorough because i was pretty shocked the game was still going, but yeah the chance of me ever lynching pie was tiiiiiiiiiiiiiny. none of the points against her really did much for me, any doubts i had on her was fleeting paranoia which i basically ignored.

[Nahdia]

dreal is being a bit more spazzy than im used to him being. either he flipped scum for the first(?) time and is overcorrecting himself, or he used caffeinated soap in the shower today.

Nahdia this is why I replaced out of Evoker; I thought he can't be scum in your game if you think he rolled scum for the first time here. I know it was accidental but be careful with such things.

yeah, I'm aware, and that was totally my fault. You did the right thing, sorry it happened.