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[LicketyQuickety]

Hello.

I am here to tell you I have a hell of a role. I have the best role as I always have the best roles because I am the best and play the best games.

Yours Truly,

LicketyTrump.

[LicketyQuickety]

I claim one shit claimer, I preclaim when day starts[

One shot*

<<< No, I'm pretty sure it was one shit claimer. >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

This is a post.

Lies!

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: shannon

This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.

I remember you, do you remember me?

<<< I remember you,
You remember me,
We're one big fucked up family~ >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

Ego post so I can watch Mastinas game

Points for sig.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: ESP

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: ESP

<<< While I'll count a vote if I know who it's for, I don't recognize who you're referring to here, so I can't count this vote. >>>

I thought Espionage was in this game for some reason.

VOTE: Alisae

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ IS A BULLY ;~;

Dang straight, now get in line.

[LicketyQuickety]

I rather cry instead.

And at least I'm happy that I'm enjoyable to play with.

I'm here to win

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

LQ was NKed night one... DAMMIT!!!

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

This would be the reason.

bring it and play or die!

[LicketyQuickety]

Why can't I bring it, play it, AND die at the same time?

Well, if that is what you want, fine.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well I want to play video games, watch animu, be a Loki, and eat ice cream at the same time as well.
Can I do that?

Just play the game. Nothing else matters.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also I'm even more convinced that Nydrusher is actually scum btw.

Don't be horrible at the game though, thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

Obvious Scum as in doing obviously Scummy things as Scum, not that they are obviously Scum. Err... yeah.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

Obvious Scum as in doing obviously Scummy things as Scum, not that they are obviously Scum. Err... yeah.

So you're town because I don't think scum would put themselves in a situation where their own scumtells are used against them?

1) Its not a solid tell
2) I was clarifying something because I realize it could've been taken the wrong way. Had nothing to do with me saying the wrong thing.

[LicketyQuickety]

I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

1. That's a bullshit scumtell.
2. Its protown to ask for reasons, would you like it if I voted you right now and called you scummy for asking me why?
3. If it's clear it's RVS to you then you should know that everything is said in a jovial manner until something happens.
4. I don't think you know what obvious scum means.

PEdit: ninjaed point 3

1) Which is why I said it was an old tell.
2) Again, you don't find that question out of place at all? Its not that its Pro-Town or Anti-Town here. Its whether the post looks like it fits with what else is going on itt.
3) Do you really think that asking for reasons without any indication that you are not serious or are jovial that it is correct to assume such?
4) LOL. OK.

[LicketyQuickety]

Clearly this is almost a Newbie game if people have this kind of thing to say about my analysis.

[LicketyQuickety]

If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.

Well, I'm not Scum, so there is that..

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: everything I mentioned LQ in

VOTE: karnos

Most bullshit defence ever. This is the few kinds of defence I feel warrants a lynch even more than something like what LQ did.

I'd rather push a karnos wagon

Why I voted karnos. His bad play struck as scum, while I mentioned LQ's play is not with lynching.

Because I feel disgusted at a flawed accusation

Why I interjected. Never have I been told or seen interjection g as being AI.

And another contradiction: you don't say someone is obvious scum and say it's not a solid read

Following up my destruction of his trash case.

I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

1) that's all you accused him of
2) the onus is on you to explain they were
3) again, onus is on you to say that it's not town rather than just say it's out of place without explaining
4) That could be said of anything, invalid point.
5) then if it's not a solid read why didn't you solidify it or clarify? You just immediately threw the accusation without trying to look at it or pressuring her.

PEdit: clearly you need to go back to a Newbie game for people to take your analysis seriously.

I destroyed his case and threw back a comment at him about Newbieness in counter for HIS comment.

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

1. That's a bullshit scumtell.
2. Its protown to ask for reasons, would you like it if I voted you right now and called you scummy for asking me why?
3. If it's clear it's RVS to you then you should know that everything is said in a jovial manner until something happens.
4. I don't think you know what obvious scum means.

PEdit: ninjaed point 3

The original destroying of his post

As you can see, my posts mostly indicated how he played badly, over he played scummily.

Karnos in the other hand, I expressed a clear scumread on him, "Most Bullshit defence", "warrants a lynch", "rather push a karnos wagon" was what I said. Here, his play looked opportunistic, hence scummy, while LQ play is simply bad.

At the current moment, karnos not possibly being scumpartners with LQ leads to more reason not to scumread him, as I scumread karnos at the current moment. I'm remaining null instead of a townread, as this still has the small chance of being staged, e.g. LQ puts out the BS case for Karnos to vote and try to start a wagon for town red(I've seen it happen).

I would advise lynching karnos over LQ for above reasons.

Now with all the possible questions I can think of fended off, I am going to move on to other topics.

I TR Alisae for similar reasons to why he is universally TRed, however i would however prefer his vote to be in karnos.

Garmr and Shannon are Town for now, creating active discussion. If Shannon or Garmr was scum, I don't think scum wants to put in the extra effort of creating discussion points and noticing things that probably won't get lynched. However, this is one of the less solid tells, hence the For Now.

Again, everyone voting LQ I suggest swapping to karnos, thanks.

Blah, blah, I'm a horrible player who plays bad.

5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

Bro, why don't you check out my wiki. I prolly have more wins than you have games played.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

I agree. They are playing like newb Town. On that much I agree.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

I agree. They are playing like newb Town. On that much I agree.

My point what that if people follow them all game Town is prolly not going to do so well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Btw congrats on being a JOAT.

LOL. Am I the only one who finds it funny that I've been here way longer than them and they have a higher post rank than me?

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If anyone can produce a good counter argument to why karnos is town and LQ scum please present it.

No argument here, I think LQ is townish.

I haven't done a damn thing that is AI at this point.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: shannon

This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.

I remember you, do you remember me?

<<< I remember you,
You remember me,
We're one big fucked up family~ >>>

@Mod, LOL I was just about to say that Karnos is a null read because the game I played with them in I Scum read them hard core and they were Town and I was too.

[LicketyQuickety]

Checking in, first game

on this site,

looking forward to it!

Just pointing out the obvious here.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: garmr for ruining Ali's dreams

This guy has played on a different site as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Who else thinks this could be a Role Madness game? (Don't answer that)

[LicketyQuickety]

Holy shit Garmr is town. I don't see any scum motivation on the post above me. And I just don't think scum would go out of their way to do that.
Good to know you are town Garmr.

Also shannon might be town for picking that up.

You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.

Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.

What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through?

I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.

The phrasing here seems quite stilted and unnatural. Not sure whether it's natural style, early game awkwardness, or scumminess.

Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.).

I was a little conscious of that post through I'm kinda amazed you picked up on that. I rewrote that one like 3-4 times before I was satisfied with it. Originally it was going to be "what did you think of my case on karnos?" Instead of the highlighted section. But then it occurred to me that alisae is a player that will sheep their town reads. I didn't want to contaminate alisae's answer with my own thoughts. I wanted to see what type of answer alisae would produce and if I could get anything information on his alignment out of it.

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm prolly most excited in getting a read on Lexa.

[LicketyQuickety]

hmm...maaaaaaybe but if you are saying he slipped I doubt that's the case. It would be kinda a shitty slip to push anyways.
They could just know my behavoirs. No?

You saw me as Scum in one game. How does this game compare to you?

[LicketyQuickety]

I am too.

pedit: I didn't even read your ISO in that game.

How did you know I was Scum than?

[LicketyQuickety]

I skimmed the last 10 pages, saw some good shit, and voted you.

So what is your read on me currently?

[LicketyQuickety]

Your scum.

K, why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm waaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiittiiinnnnnnnnnnngg...

[LicketyQuickety]

And I'm playing video games.
I'll get back to you later.

How can you make a post on a forum if you are playing video games?

[LicketyQuickety]

I played in window borderless LQ....

That's 2 posts you have made without answering my question.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well I'm done now so I can respond.
Your case on Shannon was reachy as fuck.

No shit. I did it to get out of RVS, did you catch that part?

[LicketyQuickety]

okay I ISO dived and by dived I mean skimmed.
I'm probably conf biasing you cuz now you're asking good questions that are meant to progress the game or atleast advance it so you're probs town.
Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now
VOTE: Jordan

I don't think Jordan has really done anything AI so I don't get why he is getting all these votes tbh.

[LicketyQuickety]

okay I ISO dived and by dived I mean skimmed.
I'm probably conf biasing you cuz now you're asking good questions that are meant to progress the game or atleast advance it so you're probs town.
Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now
VOTE: Jordan

So hang on: You were the one who originally brought up Lickety's reachy case on me. Jordan continued on with that case. Now you're town reading Lickety, but you're voting Jordan for doing the same thing you did? Not cool

VOTE: Alisae

I like my vote currently. I wanted to see if more people would vote Alisae if I pressure them. As I was pressuring them I was getting some clear Town tells that I use that make sense reasonable. Nothing solid on its own, but it all adds up.

So naturally I find shannon really opportunistic here.

TL;DR: I didn't say I had a Town read on Alisae after getting done tunneling on her because I wanted to see if anyone would use that to Scum read her.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"

Anything can be shaken off like that.

Then you are really going to hate the way I get reads.

I do this by constantly matching up whether its more likely to come from Scum or Town. I do this by getting a picture of who that person is and use that to read if they would likely say that as Town or Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

OH NO! I MADE 2 POSTS THAT PAD OUT THE THREAD! WHAT WILL I EVER DO?!?!?!?
You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Seriously though, it is kinda annoying.

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.

+1

If anyone can produce a good counter argument to why karnos is town and LQ scum please present it.

No argument here, I think LQ is townish.

I consider this a conflict of character. You read me based off vibe AFAIK and not based on deduction so either you don't understand what Jordan is saying or you are making quite the contradiction.

[LicketyQuickety]

PEdit: I misread Jordan, specifically the bit 'a counter argument to why'. I don't have any particular read on Karnos but I town read you Lickety.

okay I ISO dived and by dived I mean skimmed.
I'm probably conf biasing you cuz now you're asking good questions that are meant to progress the game or atleast advance it so you're probs town.
Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now
VOTE: Jordan

So hang on: You were the one who originally brought up Lickety's reachy case on me. Jordan continued on with that case. Now you're town reading Lickety, but you're voting Jordan for doing the same thing you did? Not cool

VOTE: Alisae

I like my vote currently. I wanted to see if more people would vote Alisae if I pressure them. As I was pressuring them I was getting some clear Town tells that I use that make sense reasonable. Nothing solid on its own, but it all adds up.

So naturally I find shannon really opportunistic here.

TL;DR: I didn't say I had a Town read on Alisae after getting done tunneling on her because I wanted to see if anyone would use that to Scum read her.

I am trying to make sense of the part I bolded. Can you tell me whether this is correct:

1) You tunnelled Alisae as a kind of reaction test
2) You actually town read her
3) You wanted to see whether your pretend scum read on her would cause anyone else to scum read her

If that *is* what you're saying, then I don't get how you connected my vote on her back to your read of her. I am not making any reference to your read on Alisae, I'm calling her a hypocrite for her behaviour.

Lickety, you made a reachy case on me which you later referred to as 'getting out of RVS'. Alisae called you out and cased you for it. Jordan went further with calling you out and casing you.

Alisae has now changed her mind and town reads you, which is fine. But she votes Jordan for the case he made on you, which is hypocrisy, because she was making a similar case. And that's why I'm voting Alisae.

You don't have to Vote Alisae for the same reasons as I introduced, you just have to see and opening to vote and take advantage of that for my reaction test to be valid.

I could just say Alisae has a Scummy meta and so that is why I felt leaving room for someone to take advantage of the fact I was pressuring her was a valid test.

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment. It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is.

My process of reading you is getting more developed as time goes by.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ I know what you were trying to do.
Wouldn't it be more effective to try to see who has responded to it and who hasn't before you try to draw analysis off of it?

Sometimes. I don't have a lot of time before I go to bed. That is the reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

My process of reading you is getting more developed as time goes by.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.

4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, why should I like you?

Why should you like me? IDK.

I understand full well I don't play like most people (its even in my sig).

I just ask you reserve judgement until you see what my weird way of playing leads to. I am actually not bad at this game. I just play differently and because of this it gets me Scum read sometimes.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.

4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

Talking about throwing empty shade and not following up on it.

I have you as Null. I was just seeing if Alisae could see that angle. If you have never seen that argument before, you are living under a rock.

[LicketyQuickety]

Throwing shade Lq

It means to make someone look bad with out committing to it.


Like you literally just did the mafia scum dictionary definition of throwing shade. You say you have me as a null read but you went out your way to say "have you thought of him knowing your town" Which in my mind doesn't even make sense. Because if I was a null read why are you worried about alisae view on me. Even then my answer was about trying to get a better read on alisae by not contaminating his thoughts. Also the same argument you made can be applied with

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

I could easily make bull shit up saying you only said this because your scum and you know alisae is town and you want to stop the garmr town read because you're afraid of me. But I won't because using he knows cases are bad.

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

Talking about shade throwing. This makes alisae look bad and seems like your throwing it for the heck of it.

What is actually wrong with what I said? You haven't actually addressed the fact that your post CAN be taken as you knowing Alisae is Town. Why no argument there and just saying it is throwing shade?

[LicketyQuickety]

Gin is prolly going to be a solid Town read going forward.

[LicketyQuickety]

Throwing shade Lq

It means to make someone look bad with out committing to it.


Like you literally just did the mafia scum dictionary definition of throwing shade. You say you have me as a null read but you went out your way to say "have you thought of him knowing your town" Which in my mind doesn't even make sense. Because if I was a null read why are you worried about alisae view on me. Even then my answer was about trying to get a better read on alisae by not contaminating his thoughts. Also the same argument you made can be applied with

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

I could easily make bull shit up saying you only said this because your scum and you know alisae is town and you want to stop the garmr town read because you're afraid of me. But I won't because using he knows cases are bad.

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

Talking about shade throwing. This makes alisae look bad and seems like your throwing it for the heck of it.

What is actually wrong with what I said? You haven't actually addressed the fact that your post CAN be taken as you knowing Alisae is Town. Why no argument there and just saying it is throwing shade?

And when you say I'm not committing? Please, the game days are 3 weeks long and you are giving me shit about not committing to a read balls deep after like 72 hours.

[LicketyQuickety]

And I have no problems with Prana's case on me except one thing. I said now twice now my read on Shannon is ongoing. Its still fucking early and some people are going to take more time to read than others. Lexa not providing shit and then going on V/LA until Tuesday is an example of that. But besides that, because people have different styles that means that some people are going to be easier to read than others.

[LicketyQuickety]

Throwing shade Lq

It means to make someone look bad with out committing to it.


Like you literally just did the mafia scum dictionary definition of throwing shade. You say you have me as a null read but you went out your way to say "have you thought of him knowing your town" Which in my mind doesn't even make sense. Because if I was a null read why are you worried about alisae view on me. Even then my answer was about trying to get a better read on alisae by not contaminating his thoughts. Also the same argument you made can be applied with

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

I could easily make bull shit up saying you only said this because your scum and you know alisae is town and you want to stop the garmr town read because you're afraid of me. But I won't because using he knows cases are bad.

Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

Talking about shade throwing. This makes alisae look bad and seems like your throwing it for the heck of it.

What is actually wrong with what I said? You haven't actually addressed the fact that your post CAN be taken as you knowing Alisae is Town. Why no argument there and just saying it is throwing shade?

How can it be taken that way? You haven't actually provided a case on how it could becuase I honestly don't see how it could be.

You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.

Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.

What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through?

I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.

The phrasing here seems quite stilted and unnatural. Not sure whether it's natural style, early game awkwardness, or scumminess.

Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.).

I was a little conscious of that post through I'm kinda amazed you picked up on that. I rewrote that one like 3-4 times before I was satisfied with it. Originally it was going to be "what did you think of my case on karnos?" Instead of the highlighted section.

But then it occurred to me that alisae is a player that will sheep their town reads.

I didn't want to contaminate alisae's answer with my own thoughts. I wanted to see what type of answer alisae would produce and if I could get anything information on his alignment out of it.

You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.

Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.

What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through? I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.

I'd rather have Alisae improve as a player than policy lynch him every game.

In these three posts we see you mentioning Alisae and how they are sheeping. You mention how as Town sheeping isn't necessarily a bad thing. You then go on to say that you think it would be better if Alisae improves as a player instead of PLing them every game based on their sheeping as Town. I really find it unlikely that you are somehow saying that Alisae sheeps as a playstyle and not just as Town.

What can be deduced is that A) You don't say a single thing about how she could do that as Scum. And B) Based on her Town play sheeping you infer she is Town.

She has not had a single completed game as Scum.

And when you say I'm not committing? Please, the game days are 3 weeks long and you are giving me shit about not committing to a read balls deep after like 72 hours.

Please spare me the bull shit. You literally tried to make me and alisae look bad and didn't follow up with a scum read or an investigation into it. That's amateur scum play.

Also what's your motivation as town to muddy up other players who are being town read??????

Sure it could be amature Scum play. It could also be good Town play in a style you are not used to. Look through this game to get a picture of how I play as Town sometimes: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69627

[LicketyQuickety]

I know who xnadrojx jordan is lmao I'm asking for the context in who Jordan was talking to or about in the quotes Karnos posted.

What's your read on me currently? I haven't see you mention a thing about me yet. Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I believe, if my memory is good, post 281 or 271 I said I liked your diction.

For now I am reserving judgement as per your request.

Fair enough. I sometimes get reads on people based on the way they read me, but I did say to reserve judgement so I can't just back away from that. I knew/know some of the things I have done/said have been a bit questionable which is why I said to reserve judgement. It looks like I am going to have to get into my groove to get Town read this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'll likely wall post later in the week

Noooo.

Be concise or your points are drowned in your own words

Wall posts can be concise. There's just so much content and I intend to get as clear a picture on things as possible that even concise posts on the game (considering I haven't been actively posting to compensate) will require a considerable amount of writing in all likelihood.

Where do you play?

[LicketyQuickety]

Good news: computer back.
Bad news: have a kitten on me.
Makes work hard.

#FirstWorldProblems

<<< Have YOU tried to type out a votecount with a purring, kneading, suckling kitten rubbing against your skin?!? It's not as easy as you'd think! >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

Obviously All Alone isn't rubbing me the right way. You are actually giving me odd vibes, on the surface you seem extremely towny but I'm catching hints of asking a lot of questions and pushing activity without especially contributing new information yourself which is an effective strategy where I play.

What you say is true, I haven't really done hard pushes but that's mainly because I've been trying to sort out the Karnos/LQ/Jordan debates; I think it's evident in the posting that I'm making sure I understand every players arguments before I make my conclusion and move on.

Yes, it can be seen as scummy to just ask for clarification and not actively push but the main issue I'm trying to resolve is that the Karnos/LQ/Jordan debates feel like they are causing chaos or dissonance and I want to establish order and clarity to either resolve the issue or find that we have our lynch of the day. With that being said, I think my actions so far are justified given how the current gamestate feels.


P-Edit: Mastina if you don't reply to any comments I made in my posts referring to you I'll cry.

<<< You're not very observant, are you? >>>

Pro-Tip: I don't have nearly a 60% win rate because I am the best Scum hunter or have the best reads or get Town to follow me or even that I get Town read all the time. I have a 60% win rate as Town because I produce content, simple as that. When I am Town shit gets talked about. It took me a while to really understand that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

[LicketyQuickety]

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.

Do you have a town read on karnos and why?

The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.

Nope, I have a Null read on him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alisae, the shit posting was part of the reasoning, not all of it. You've also not answered why my post was a town post, I'd still like that answered.

All Alone doing absolutely sod all is bad. As in super terrible. All that has happened, and you turn up, unvote and nothing else? No. Do something. Definitely moved into the scum read territory.

LQ, you say your case on shannon is still ongoing. In all fairness unless someone is scum then their cases should always be ongoing and fluctuating. Otherwise you're playing the wrong game.

Not liking LQs pushing of Garmr over trivial stuff. It's not like Garmr has been solid in saying "Alisae will flip town". So pushing it makes no sense at this stage. If Garmr is actually scum, all you've done is make him be more careful. If you honestly thought it was a tell, you would have been better waiting for him to make a solud mistake. Thus it feels like it's forced, as though trying to get town reads away from Garmr.

I can sort of accept Lexa's reasoning, though a single vote is not pressure in any form, especially so early in day one. So a reaction test for AA there was a non starter. Will properly judge once she gets more active.

Couple things I have to clarify that you are getting wrong about me:

1) It is not my case on Shannon that is ongoing, but my read.
2) I am not pushing Garmr at all. Garmr is the one pushing me. I have him as Null currently. Though, TBH, I like to push people to uncomfortable positions to get a better read on their emotions because emotions don't lie. They can be faked, but they cannot lie.
a) I don't play the same as you or I don't play the way you expect me to play. You saying I

would've

done this or that is not the right way to read me; I do a lot of weird things in a game and am not all that consistent in what I do or how I do it. I am a very spontaneous player. The difference is that I have enough experience to be able to mold things better than when I started.

[LicketyQuickety]

And I have no problems with Prana's case on me except one thing. I said now twice now my read on Shannon is ongoing. Its still fucking early and some people are going to take more time to read than others. Lexa not providing shit and then going on V/LA until Tuesday is an example of that. But besides that, because people have different styles that means that some people are going to be easier to read than others.

Yeah but isn't your read on everyone ongoing, all the time? Looks to me like you're trying to hedge your bets a bit, leaving the option open to lynch-me-or-not depending on where the popular current goes.

This is the thing I don't like about your play: You make a push, go at it hard, and then retreat to 'yeah but it's ongoing so IDK'. I'd prefer it if you'd just left that last part out and kept a scum read on me, if you think I'm scum. I'm actually becoming more convinced that *you* might be scum. In fact, have a vote.
VOTE: Lickety

The thing you are not aware of is that I often (as both alignments) lock people out as a Town read from my perspective. My ability to find Town has saved a few games in my time. Generally at the beginning of a game and into the middle sometimes all I am trying to do is get Town reads. When I play this way, I don't always have strong Scum reads until later in the game (after a few game days have passed). I can link you a very recent game where I did this. Yes there were some Scum reads thrown in there, but primarily (especially toward the end) I was really trying to zero in on my town reads. I can think of 3 games from 3 different sites where I had an outstanding performance because I got my Town reads correct. Also, I DO actually get pretty sure of my reads as the game progresses sometimes and I am right more often than I am wrong. These reads only change if I view the slot from a different perspective. So the idea that I am "always looking to change my reads" is kinda a shiny argument to say "look here! He is saying his read is ongoing, but it always should be. He must be Scum." This type of thinking reminds me of what my Judo instructor told me are like gremlins that are basically bad habits that people can't get away from. Its a form of confbias because it takes away the outlook that NOT all reads are always open for debate. Sometime you are just sure that someone is Town or Scum. I am getting close to that kind of read on Alisae already in the game. So if Alisae turns out to be Town, then it will be clear that the kind of Scum hunting I have done on them is in fact valid. I am putting pressure on you, Shannon, using easy to make arguments without really looking to far into things to see how you react. So far I have not seen an overwhelming Town presents from you. Your arguments don't seem to be overtly Town motivated. You are arguing with neither a clear and calm head making logical deduction, nor arguments based on spirited energy fulling your conviction. either of these types of responses I expect to be made as Town. Clear and cool headed shows you don't feel threatened and are secure in your position. Fiery arguments are based on passion with is really hard to fake as Scum. That is why I have not taken my vote off you yet.

IIRC, you are saying a reason why you are Scum reading me (and the reason associated with your vote) is that I push people and should not say I am not sure of their alignment? This seems like some weak sauce reasoning to me. It isn't even a week into day one and people are expecting me to commit on reads already and if I don't people are using that as ammo to say I am back tracking? That is seriously fucked up!

[LicketyQuickety]

1) Same difference really.

2) you're the one suggesting he "knows" Alisae is town, and then pushed it.

3) I'll give you that, though I'll also point out it doesn't change that regardless of play style, if it seems there's scum motivation for doing what you're doing, it will look scummy. Thus a terrible job of making it seem like Garmr knows Alisae is town, without catching a slip, just seems like scum attempting to get peoples reads of Garmr changed.

Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...

1) Its not the same thing and if you don't see that, then you are prolly not a very good Scum hunter.
2) Do you know how that argument started? I'll tell you. It started by me ASKING ALISAE IF THEY COULD SEE THAT ANGLE. I made no accusation that that is what I actually thought. I have defended the point since but only on principle that that is a very real argument that I have seen many times. If I give up the point I am just going to get even more Scum read. So I make my argument.
3) If I say my read on them is Scum, then you know I prolly actually think they are Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.

Do you have a town read on karnos and why?

The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.

Nope, I have a Null read on him.

Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.

I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.

You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.



In the end it's a totally different feel.

It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

I asked what the reasons were because the poster said they had reasons and they

weren't good

. Whether or not I took them seriously would depend on what the reasons were, or whether the poster backtracked (i.e. said that there were no reasons, they were just talking shit or reaction testing or whatever).

Whether my post was forward-pushing, fake forward-pushing, or just making conversation, your reaction to it has been provocative. So yay for that.

Clearly this is almost a Newbie game if people have this kind of thing to say about my analysis.

You know you should of waited before trying to push her right. Asking questions can be protown or a scum tell depending on what they do with the answer. So instead of waiting to see what she does with it you pretty much spoiled anyway of telling if she is scum or not

This is a good point.

Also worth noting that the answer itself is now compromised by all the discussion around my question-asking.

If Prana said they didn't actually have reasons (which looks to be apparent cuz those "reasons" never got discussed) what would you have thought?

[LicketyQuickety]

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.

Do you have a town read on karnos and why?

The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.

Nope, I have a Null read on him.

Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.

I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.

You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.



In the end it's a totally different feel.

It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.

A format doesn't = alignment. There's obviously drastic differences from this game to that game.

If the format is the same, it doesn't say much. If it is different, then it most certainly can.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...

Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?

Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.

I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.

<<< Fixed a broken quote tag. >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?

Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.

I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

1) Same difference really.

2) you're the one suggesting he "knows" Alisae is town, and then pushed it.

3) I'll give you that, though I'll also point out it doesn't change that regardless of play style, if it seems there's scum motivation for doing what you're doing, it will look scummy. Thus a terrible job of making it seem like Garmr knows Alisae is town, without catching a slip, just seems like scum attempting to get peoples reads of Garmr changed.

Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...

I Q+ed this one because I wanted an explanation for that last part. Why do I get pressure and Prana gets something else?

Because you are different people and have different ways of playing. Also, I find treating everyone the same to be a weakness in play, not for the explicit fact that you are treating people different, but that its a form of organizing things in your mind in a bit of a rigid way. I said before, I am more of a spontaneous player rather than a planner/categorizer.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, what are you doing this upcoming weekend?

Prolly sleeping in, playing video games and playing mafia, why?

[LicketyQuickety]

You ever done a town jam before?

I don't know if I like this "jam" idea, it being a date and all.

<<< Jam is the best thing for a date! >>>

Seriously though I have no idea what a Town Jam is.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?

Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.

I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.

Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.

Do I really have to go "Ham" and point out how they are similar, because I totally will.

[LicketyQuickety]

Post formatting is not alignment indicative. I'm sorry but it's silly.

How do you know this? Have you even had a conversation about it before?

[LicketyQuickety]

You're judging a book in the means if it's a hardback or a softback cover. You need to actually analyze the reading inside the book. The rest doesn't matter.

Now, what you might be getting at is a person naked voting as scum and then voting with reasoning attached to the same post as town. If that's it, then I understand that.

However if you're saying it's alignment indicative in a person in how they format posts, ya know basically the aesthetic part of making a post, then I'm just going to say it's silly.

Nope, nope, nope. Disagree so much with you on that. The aesthetic stuff is actually really really good to look at. Reason: Hardly anyone thinks to adapt their game that way. Also, meta tells are almost never as you describe them. Its about what that person plays like, not making a list of things they do or don't do as either alignment. If that is the way you do meta tells, then you will have to play many more games with the same person to be able to get a solid info base, which btw, changes all the time. Its about reading the personality of the player, not a categorical methodology.

And its not whether its hard cover or soft cover. Its about what the paragraph structure is like, what the diction used is like, what is the range of emotions that person exhibits in their play.

[LicketyQuickety]

If after post game this ends up working, I'll consider looking more into your theory work. I am of the opinion that if anyone has any literary talent, they can easily fake emotions. I personally hold more weight to a persons argument and how they present it over emotions. I'm more of the objective over the subjective reader if you catch my drift.

I use both but I am better at subjective stuff.

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone doing absolutely sod all is bad. As in super terrible. All that has happened, and you turn up, unvote and nothing else? No. Do something. Definitely moved into the scum read territory.

The disingenuous posturing store called, they ran out of YOU!

VOTE: PranaDevil

The OMGUS is real.

VOTE: AA

[LicketyQuickety]

So, I've actually started reading the game.

Got some solid town reads over the first 7 pages which I'm pretty happy about. I don't get all the town reads on Alisae though?

Karnos looks like an excellent lynch so far. Or Prana.

K, why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'll elaborate when I finish catching up.

Currently looking at a {Karnos, Alisae, Prana} lynch pool.

Following the trend, eh?

[LicketyQuickety]

There's a trend?

Last I saw, everyone and their dog were town reading Alisea and not a single person has mentioned Prana.

Yeah, it is a trend. They are all active players.

[LicketyQuickety]

So... AA and BBT do nothing of anything for ages, and charge right in and vote the person who called them out for doing feck all, sure, sounds legit.

If either of you have any sort of case though please share it with the class. Can hardly respond to votes when there's no content there. At the same time, reads on everyone else rather than tunnelling would also be beneficial to town. (If you're town it helps us hunt, if you're scum, well... it'll help the rest of us hunt)

Why are you uppity? Where is this coming from?

[LicketyQuickety]

Its never good when you Scum read half the active players.

This is going to be a long 3 weeks.

<<< Hey, doesn't have to be that long! >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone doing absolutely sod all is bad. As in super terrible. All that has happened, and you turn up, unvote and nothing else? No. Do something. Definitely moved into the scum read territory.

The disingenuous posturing store called, they ran out of YOU!

VOTE: PranaDevil

The OMGUS is real.

VOTE: AA

This feels very opportunistic.

How so? How many votes does AA have?

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone doing absolutely sod all is bad. As in super terrible. All that has happened, and you turn up, unvote and nothing else? No. Do something. Definitely moved into the scum read territory.

The disingenuous posturing store called, they ran out of YOU!

VOTE: PranaDevil

The OMGUS is real.

VOTE: AA

This feels very opportunistic.

How so? How many votes does AA have?

Lexa will prolly move their vote when they get caught up. Alisae strikes me as the type of player who is likely to change votes often.

What about my vote didn't you like? Why was it bad besides the buzzword of opportunistic?

[LicketyQuickety]

What about my vote didn't you like? Why was it bad besides the buzzword of opportunistic?

Accusing AA of an OMGUS vote. That's why it felt opportunistic. I disagree with the reason behind your vote, and I'll explain why when I get back. I don't think it is alignment indicative and I don't think it is OMGUS.

I think AA has 2(?) content posts? And one of them is throwing a vote on a person who is suspecting them. I don't see how that can't be interpreted as OMGUS.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alisae and gin really towning it up looks like. I like gins "Thinkbig, are you town" not because of that itself, but because it shows a consistent character across the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

ThinkBig are you town?

No, I am scum.

Oops game solved. Ez game is ez

/sarcasm

But yes, I am town.

This gives be weird feels all over.

[LicketyQuickety]

ThinkBig are you town?

No, I am scum.

Oops game solved. Ez game is ez

/sarcasm

But yes, I am town.

LQ, this is for you; please check his P's and Q's.

Responded before I saw this. Yeah, its Scummy AF.

[LicketyQuickety]

^^This is saying I'm interested in your theory work and want to learn it :p

I feel like he said

"oh yeah, I'm Scum /S."

"Wait a minute, that might be a bad idea to admit that, I should prolly just say I am Town."

Its like kinda an over explanation that shows he's not thinking cool and calm. Its too... spammy for something that is just "Are you Town"

[LicketyQuickety]

^^This is saying I'm interested in your theory work and want to learn it :p

I feel like he said

"oh yeah, I'm Scum /S."

"Wait a minute, that might be a bad idea to admit that, I should prolly just say I am Town."

Its like kinda an over explanation that shows he's not thinking cool and calm. Its too... spammy for something that is just "Are you Town"

Not enough for a hard read because I kinda know how TB plays. He does weird things like that I assume as either alignment. I lean Scum on it though.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lol. I have made those jokes before and even been mislynched because of it.

Links or it didn't happen.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have yet to see a case on Karnos that I think is solid.

[LicketyQuickety]

(Just, uh...don't go changing your votes in the next 30 seconds? )

UNVOTE:

VOTE: AA

<<< Nice try, but this wouldn't have counted as a change in vote anyway. >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

Damn ninj'd

The mod is pretty quick

<<< Damn straight I am. I'm both quality AND quantity! >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

For attempting to make something out of nothing. I'll give my full analysis when I get home. I'm leaving my vote here for now.

Bro, making something out of nothing is my steak and potatoes of my Town game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh yeah. I can do these things.
{Gin, LQ, Garmr, Prana}
{Not ThinkBig, Shannon}
{BBT, Karnos, Lexa}
{Pep, Jordan}
{AA}

I would switch the row of row 2 with row 4 and row 3 with Row 2.

{Gin, Prana, Aliae}
{Jordan}
{Karnos, Pep, BBT, Lexa}
{Shannon}
{AA}

Okm, so its totally different, but you get my point

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh yeah. I can do these things.
{Gin, LQ, Garmr, Prana}
{Not ThinkBig, Shannon}
{BBT, Karnos, Lexa}
{Pep, Jordan}
{AA}

I would switch the row of row 2 with row 4 and row 3 with Row 2.

{Gin, Prana, Aliae}
{Jordan}
{Karnos, Pep, BBT, Lexa}
{Shannon, ThinkBig}
{AA}

Okm, so its totally different, but you get my point

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh yeah. I can do these things.
{Gin, LQ, Garmr, Prana}
{Not ThinkBig, Shannon}
{BBT, Karnos, Lexa}
{Pep, Jordan}
{AA}

I would switch the row of row 2 with row 4 and row 3 with Row 2.

{Gin, Prana, Aliae}
{Jordan}
{Karnos, Pep, BBT, Lexa}
{Shannon, ThinkBig}
{AA}

Okm, so its totally different, but you get my point

EBWOP

Also my Scum reads are not that strong at this point. Karnos Row is dead Null, AA is a Scum lean.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ew

This.

[LicketyQuickety]

My problems with AA:

Infrequent posts
Not much info in posts
Not saying anything new in posts
2 OMGUSes.

[LicketyQuickety]

I also didn't like AA's vote on Prana who has been playing very clearly pro-Town. Stark contrast between the two.

[LicketyQuickety]

The answer to the joke is AA's Role PM
Hahahahahahahahaha
Lololololololol
XDDDDD

LOL. Keeping this in mind if/when you flip Town. Might be good to know the kinda mood you have as Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, AA's analysis of my pressure on them is totally off. It should be clear to people by now I have put the most pressure on people I am trying to get a read on, which has come up twice now.

[LicketyQuickety]

You can't read my mood/tone cuz it's NAI for me cuz it's part of my personality on the interwebz

Oh, good so you know what your Scum tone is like?



I am so evil.

[LicketyQuickety]

No I'm saying it would definitely be the same because that's just who I am.

I was saying you wouldn't know that unless you have been Scum before. (I am trying to sabotage your games outside of this one)

[LicketyQuickety]

No I'm saying it would definitely be the same because that's just who I am.

I'm not basing further reads off of this because it is now known what I like but does anyone else feel like discrediting one's self is townie?

Not for everyone, certainly not me. Alisae... maybe.

[LicketyQuickety]

AND OMAGWD YES I WUD STAWP BULLYING ME ;~;

I prolly should because you are kinda soft, but its just so fun.

[LicketyQuickety]

I believe, if my memory is good, post 281 or 271 I said I liked your diction.

For now I am reserving judgement as per your request.

Fair enough. I sometimes get reads on people based on the way they read me, but I did say to reserve judgement so I can't just back away from that. I knew/know some of the things I have done/said have been a bit questionable which is why I said to reserve judgement. It looks like I am going to have to get into my groove to get Town read this game.

Groove achieved.

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone is at L-1. Please be careful.

yeah, don't like how fast that wagon grew TBQH.

[LicketyQuickety]

thoughts on Lexa:

Seems to carry themselves as a very seasoned player. Reminiscent to a player I know who has be playing literally forever (ok not forever, 18 years).

Can't tell motivation at this point which I am guessing is going to be pretty difficult if they actually are that experienced + not a frequent poster.

Don't know if they as Scum voted AA in hopes a wagon would grow on them since they took a look at a game where AA was present or if it was a ligit reaction test. If it was a reaction test, seemed pretty flimsy or they are just on another level.

[LicketyQuickety]

WHY DO I CONTAIN THE URGE TO SAY FUCK IT.

Well besides the part where I'm in a bad mood but ya know

Count backwards from 500 by 7's. Might calm you down a bit.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm actually more inclined to Town Read TB after that.

[LicketyQuickety]

wtf why?

Because its how I imagine a motivated Town!TB to play like. In an open where he was Scum he came across way different. Its a weak meta read but the contrast is so extreme I can help but think he is Town for it.

[LicketyQuickety]

1. AA is low-hanging fruit
2. As scum, I go for low-hanging frut
3. Therefore, I am scum.

Please tell me this doesn't fit the definition of inductive reasoning
As scum, I go for low-hanging fruit
AA is low-hanging fruit
Therefore, I am scum.

The conclusion does not follow, and cannot follow logically from the premise. It lies under the faulty assumption that town!TB does not/cannot scum read and/or go after low hanging fruit.

Like this is a confidence I have not seen from TB before and I have to assume it comes from Town. If it comes from Scum, he is really playing well this game so far.

[LicketyQuickety]

wtf why?

Because its how I imagine a motivated Town!TB to play like. In an open where he was Scum he came across way different. Its a weak meta read but the contrast is so extreme I can help but think he is Town for it.

So he's town for that 180?

You're not going to like this answer, but... yes, actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

What is the town motivation behind going for AA now and the town motivation for the 180?
Hell, what's the town motivation behind not even putting their vote on AA but saying they are willing to PL it. Doesn't a PL take priority above all else?

He is reevaluating a slot that would be really easy to stay on as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

wtf why?

Because its how I imagine a motivated Town!TB to play like. In an open where he was Scum he came across way different. Its a weak meta read but the contrast is so extreme I can help but think he is Town for it.

Might have to take back this read:

Phone posting and tipsy.

Headed to bed. Night.

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.

That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.

[LicketyQuickety]

All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.

That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.

Oh I just do that sometimes call out a prediction based on my current thoughts I predicted that scum had day chat in one game day 1 before any flips just by looking at posts in game. W

Because look at it this way people have been trying to run counter wagon after counter wagon to the karnos one and they seem to not have enough support. Hell you were one of the counter wagons at one stage.

That is true about me, but I have not really defended him I just said that I find him Null.

And that is a stretch at least to say because AA is tied with Karnos means that its meant to be a counter wagon which would mean you Town read AA.

Why do you Town read AA?

[LicketyQuickety]

So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?

It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).

Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.

UNVOTE:

don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh

Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.

My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.

And also, I

do

expect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.

Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.

AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:

1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle

So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.

As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.

Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

*Would not

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, for anyone who still thinks this asshole is town, just look at how he is willing to throw his logic in the toilet as soon as he is caught in a contradiction.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.

This is not town thinking.

In 177 XnadrojX is perfectly happy to give Alisae a towny pass for doing stuff

scum wouldn't do

.

In 221 he suddenly took a 180, and is saying he doesn't like cases like "

scum wouldn't do

" something.

I'm still thinking we are smart enough to turn this around and wagon some scum, but if it comes down to a karnos lynch you must promise me you will lynch this asshole as soon as my alignment flips.

This is actually a pretty solid post.

<<< Deleted the double-post. >>>

[LicketyQuickety]

I also think at the very least we shouldn't hammer until Lexa makes their catchup post. I don't like the way Lexa comes in at L-1 and says they will make a catch up post in the next day or so. Makes it look like they don't want to contribute much.

[LicketyQuickety]

if karnos was really vengeful townie he would of hammered himself and then shot me or jordan. This is clearly a survival move because his afraid of a lynch.

That's not a bad point actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is anyone Town reading AA? If so Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Nah, Karnos is a great lynch.

He is trying to scare away a potential hammer by saying he might shoot them.

You're not wrong. He is a great lynch.
Is he trying to scare away a potential hammer? Nah. I think we have more time to spend and we could be looking elsewhere, that's all.
Plus if we do decide to let him live, scum will just NK him.

Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

Can anyone explain the sudden BBT voting to me please?

I disagree with the last line that Alisae said as well, but my reason is that there is not enough info to say that. I don't think Pranas conclusion should be that specific. Its kinda "meh" to me considering that Prana has been pretty on point this game, so I don't know that I like it because its a bit reachy.

I mean, I think you're scum, but do I really need to explain to you why you're scum?

Probably not.

Yeah, I get that, but its almost too obvious? I'm not saying I town read BBT for that, but its worth considering that Scum might not admit that. Then again, based on what I know of BBT (I read a game/dead thread he was in) I think he could very well pull this off as Scum.

Conclusion: Its NAI.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

Okay, why wouldn't scum kill him?
And I believe the claim.

Why do you believe the claim?

[LicketyQuickety]

Nah, Karnos is a great lynch.

He is trying to scare away a potential hammer by saying he might shoot them.

BBT has been pretty underwhelming I will definitely admit.

Starting to think this might be Scum unless they can provide something better than this.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

Naked unvote. Not only that but AFAICT AA didn't do anything in between the time TB voted AA and then Unvoted.

Could be because he was drunk?

[LicketyQuickety]

I also think at the very least we shouldn't hammer until Lexa makes their catchup post. I don't like the way Lexa comes in at L-1 and says they will make a catch up post in the next day or so. Makes it look like they don't want to contribute much.

I was vla until yesterday and there's 30 pages to go through. Not really my fault of the timing is at L-1.

I wasn't putting any judgements on the timing necessarily, but it is convenient.

That said, the real thing I was after was a quality post from you before EOD.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can we please NOT do Pre-Flip, Thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can we please NOT do Pre-Flip, Thanks.

Associative are meant for flips, thank you

Associations are meant to figure out who is Scum after you have at least one Scum flip.

[LicketyQuickety]

To me it legitimately reads like Alisae actively knows karnos will flip town, now I'll give people benefit of the doubt at times, but I'll also expect them to back up what they are saying. You failed to let hom do that and gave him a comfortable "out" if any pressure came from it, how is that anything but scummy?

Also, BBTs post can only be seen as scummy if you are doing to that post, that which you claimed I did to Alisaes.... soo....

This is totally in line with Alisae's playstyle IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just catching up with the last few pages.

I thought I did, but if you want me to spell it out I'm a vengeful townie.

I'm glad you spelled it out because I've not played with someone vengeful before and had to look it up.

I also think at the very least we shouldn't hammer until Lexa makes their catchup post.

I don't like the way Lexa comes in at L-1 and says they will make a catch up post in the next day or so. Makes it look like they don't want to contribute much

.

I agree with this.

Nah, Karnos is a great lynch.

He is trying to scare away a potential hammer by saying he might shoot them

.

You're not wrong. He is a great lynch.
Is he trying to scare away a potential hammer? Nah. I think we have more time to spend and we could be looking elsewhere, that's all.

Plus if we do decide to let him live, scum will just NK him

.

Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

Can anyone explain the sudden BBT voting to me please?

Why would Karnos kill the hammerer, though? According to the wiki unless he's a 'Super Saint' he has a choice about who to kill. I think (hope?) he could tell the difference between town hammering the wagon and his scum reads hammering the wagon.

Claiming now is suboptimal because we now have to protect him until the end of the game if we want to get good use from his power. But I can see why he did it, given he was at L-1. Are we SURE that Alisae is not trying to draw out a doc or protective role claim here? Because that's the obvious way for scum not to night kill him.

Actually.
What we can do is we could leash who Karnos kills.
Suggest like 3 names for him to kill.
And then he kills whoever out of that pool.
Good idea anyone if the claim is real?

Yeah it's an OK idea, except how do we all agree on three people? And why three? Let's go ahead and find the scummiest person and give Karnos that name. (Are you trying to draw role claims from three more people who wouldn't want to be NKed?)

It's the wording of the post to me. The line "scum will just NK him" screams that they know scum will kill him. Not "they might", no "what if he's scum?" In there at all, just "scum will kill him". Alisae can say he believes the claim, but short of actually being scum, Alisae wouldn't know someone's alignment, meaning there should always be doubt. So what if karnos is scum? Scum would hardly NK him then would they?

But, as that was all ignored, it, to me, reads that Alisae somehow knows karnos would flip town, as otherwise there would still be uncertainty.

Yes

His play leading up to the claim is fine. If anything he was just trying to get SR'd so he can do his thing.

You're suggested that I slipped that Karnos is town. I didn't. I said scum would probably NK him because they probably don't want to risk him hitting scum if he were to get lynched.
You're pushing a slip that isn't a slip. That's a scumtell for me.
VOTE: PranaDevil

I am calling bullshit on this. Let's say Karnos is a total newbie who, like me, has to check the wiki to see what his role does. Here's the wiki recommendation:

"

Claiming Vengeful Townie is not advised (unless your actual role is Vengeful and Mafia-aligned).

The effect of giving its faction a bonus kill is useless unless you yourself are worth lynching - otherwise it's obviously more profitable to lynch the player you would Vengefully kill while leaving you alive.

Thus, Vengeful claims under duress are seen as grounds for a policy lynch.
If you are still unclaimed at three-player LyLo, consider deliberately getting lynched and using your vengekill on the hapless quickhammering scum

"

TL;DR: Don't look scummy, wait until LYLO to use your power if you can.

This post is shady AF!

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lexa, you're up.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was lynched:



Bah!

[LicketyQuickety]

Town played like shit this game. Prana played well, however.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Mastina, How dumb on a scale of 1-10 was it that I was quick-Lynched?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Mastina, How dumb on a scale of 1-10 was it that I was quick-Lynched?

You, 6.
Alisae, 8.

Yes, Alisae was dumber as a quicklynch than you because basic motive analysis would have shown the difference between Alisae's lie and Lexa's lie.

Alisae's lie was meant to catch scum, and, in fact, DID! Alisae caught Lexa a day before Gin got a guilty, and it was specifically because of Alisae's actions that Lexa claimed VT in the first place, allowing for Gin to catch Lexa in a lie. Alisae willingly took the gambit back, revealing the motive behind having pulled it in the first place, and the intended results of it. (Which is why the gambit, while stupid, was amazingly town, and therefore the quicklynch was much stupider than the lynch on you.)

Lexa's lie was because she was placed on the defensive. She was caught in it and her given reason was very defensive: there was no attempt to catch scum in it. It was survivalistic, because survivalism was her goal, because she was scum whereas Alisae was not.

We read people rather similarly, I think.