Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that requires a casielle lynch and a casielle scumflip

like it's the scumflip i'm the most confident on atm but i actually want to like

re-evaluate

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that requires a casielle lynch and a casielle scumflip

like it's the scumflip i'm the most confident on atm but i actually want to like

re-evaluate

well let me know when you do that

we have 12 days

give me like 4-7 days to recuperate and then i'll (probably) be at it again with 15 posts per minute again

and then actually reread the game

rask idfk tbph

my best, absolute best scumread is schadd_

and its apparently trash

go for the ml if you will at least use the fact that i flipped town as a chance to really recheck those reads, im beyond thinking i can get myself out of it at this point

there's always a shot tbh i get it can be demoralizing but idk

i say this regardless of alignment and from a "hey-this-is-the-newbie-queue" perspective

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im not so sure on my schadd read myself anymore tbh

really? i feel the opposite way

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i don't get cass/gigabyte tbh

is it because she didn't actually vote me when she was fishing for scumreads on me? only thing that really makes me think "i can see where this perspective is coming from" but other than that idgi

just felt like a discredit that was easy to back out of (only good thing about it was tone)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

No, and I don't see where you got that was what my post indicated in the slightest.

but that's basically the summary of my D1 ISO... am i wrong about that ?

on the second point is that just in reference to this conversation we're having or am i forgetting an example of something from D1?

this game is actually like a fever dream i literally cannot remember anything and rereading it and trying to relive it just gives me a headache and i can't focus on it (especially once casielle starts posting walls) so like me rereading the game is going to have to wait a week when i'm actually a functional human being

schadd_ do NOT bring that up oh my god (the cunning manipulator banner)

hi grey

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@schadd_ this is what i meant by me being fun/easy to fuck with earlier in the game i think

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@schadd_ this is what i meant by me being fun/easy to fuck with earlier in the game i think

I only do it because I luvs ya!

nah i know

dead emoji = dead from laughter or just dead feeling. schroedinger's emoticon

i'll probably wallcase town!schadd_ later though it's on my agenda now cassie

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ah, ok

yeah i guess everyone does have better points that indicate not being cassie partners

hmmm

yeah i'm going to revisit this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rc's hammer in 921 and me not really jiving with his logic when he explained it just gives me flashbacks to my newbie where he talked me out of pushing for a NL in a 6 player mylo with a claimed, un-shot BP because he was totally going to get nk'd and no one would listen to his reads (despite the fact that i was basically his and kraska's lapdog that game because i didn't really know how to alignment read that well) and i just kind of lapped it up

like i said i want to call bullshit on rc thinking that he could possibly be the N1 kill after you claimed making his hammer pointless when i needed more time (basically to make sure i wasn't like this during D2), which makes me think scum motivation

You have played 1 game with me before now. I complain about getting NKed as scum because I am literally permadead as town. If you are going to argue that I have a scum meta of using 'OH I MIGHT BE DEAD TONIGHT' to justify decisions that I 1) would have done the exact same thing as town and 2) did do as town, I will just vote you.

that's not the point nor is it something i'm scumreading you for anymore (including at the time i made that post, i was explaining a prior read)

basically yes, you

do

have to mimic your townplay as scum. but that necessity gave you a really awesome opportunity to do something that you can defend and argue you'd do as town but actually doesn't add up from a town perspective

like i was arguing before i don't think it made sense to hammer TB to save schadd_ because he realistically wasn't getting hammered, and even if he did you would still not end up being nightkilled because it's always going to be the wrong play for scum to make... basically making it similar to how there was no town reason to be against a no-lynch in the game we played before

from your D2 play though i've been able to reconcile it as just a difference in opinion in optimal play. like i said before i'm throwing my hands up in the air and trying to start from scratch at this point because every slot sans schadd_ has something about them that I don't really like.

like at the moment? my readlist looks something like

{schadd}
{mbg}
{creature}
{rc, grey}
{creature}
{casielle}

listing creature twice isn't ironic because i can't make up my mind about how i actually feel about his D2, and i have literally no clue how to even label each tier??

Giga posted in other threads yesterday but not this one

and giga promised content soon

yeah ive been feeling really fucking shitty irl and am expecting to be mentally up to speed around the weekend. the other thread i'm posting takes like 0 effort to post in anyway while this game is a bit more cerebral (not really the word i want to use but???)

gonna work on catching up first tho

*them

fuck

nbd (also creature if ur esl you can use she for me i can kind of tell you're struggling w/ they. that's cool too)

always wondered why people default to he for me btw is it just a byproduct of like most people online being guys or...? i put luxemburg as my avatar bc i thought people would be more likely to call me she lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Grrrr

I wanted to hide this but I want credit for figuring it out too if its right, damnit

That one has been my theory for a little while now.

matt/rc or giga/grey?

both teams suck imo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Still wonder if someone's townreading -Grey- and why or they're just ignoring him.

not really anymore i hated his response to my questions

his townread of me feels too easy, i'd expect more paranoia from him as town

Some players are pretty town D1 but then are less active other days.

Maybe giga is one of these players?

nah

dont want to talk about my rl issues but you can expect bi-weekly switches in my posting habits if you look really closely at my meta

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga, I think you owe me a wall.

quoting this so i can refer back to it

i owe cassie thoughts on creature's D2 (general thoughts are ??? he's hitting his personal towntells but Wave-skim (haven't finished, i just got to when creature replaced in but he doesn't feel super town) makes me a little paranoid that i just got really cocky with my super-mathematically-proven-scumhunting techniques)

and creature and cassie schadd_?

Sorry to hear that

nbd it's just something i gotta deal with

I don't have much to say about this game. I just want to see Creature lynched.

fair enough tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga who do you think would be the best person to lynch today?

at the moment casielle but i really need the weekend to re-read, write out my thoughts, and stuff like that

i don't want to slow the game down but i'm far from ready for a lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh schadd_ flipping town would also help.

coming from literally anyone else i would vote creature as soon as i saw this but this is such a town!creature post i hate it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bwuh

?????????????????????

didn't he just say he was townreading me or at least heavily insinuate it??

grey your brand of assholery needs explanation please and ty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

-grey-: i'm leaning town. we have someone on dominion forum that's very similar (argumentative, likes to tick people off, pulls shit like 1131) and he is more helpful and easy to deal with as scum, to the point of being a tell. obv they're different people though, but that's the parallel that i have

this is really spot on for grey tbh but it's far from a surefire tell if that makes sense

his townread of me is still icky

and creature and cassie schadd_?

?

they want me to write a wall about how literally every post you write bleeds town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

townbloc with threatening people (SEs) and nightkill within it to trim the numbers

i dont think it's an effective strategy, or at least for someone like me

i've only played scum once and it was a really easy game because town had a death wish and refused to lynch scum

so basically i have 0 confidence in my ability to persuade people to keep going when i'm clearly pushing the game in the wrong direction, which is what such a strategy entails (sticking to your guns for basically the whole game)

speaking of how i'd approach this game as scum i want creature to elaborate on why he thinks this can't be scumplay based on my one game? usually when people have meta reads like that i want to know how legit it is

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I know the explanation for the read on you is pretty accurate from my own experience. A lot of those are similar tells to how I read you.

But I don't think faking townreads is particularly difficult, if you have experience with a player especially and know their meta. If based on past games the expectation is for them to easily read you I don't see the read as anything unexpected, especially if there was the incentive of trying to buddy as well.

agreed w/ the sentiment here in general

do you think my townread on creature has been used to buddy him?

Giga, isn't Grey like conf scum now?

no not really

but that was a pretty awful set of posts

[gigabyteTroubadour]

literally every slot in this game that isn't conftown is what i call a "frog-in-a-blender" read

constantly moving at 500 mph

red and green. red and green.

@rask is there anything you want to ask me that i can answer quickly (like not in a wall post)?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

literally every slot in this game that isn't conftown is what i call a "frog-in-a-blender" read

constantly moving at 500 mph

red and green. red and green.

gah

except you tbh

also matt why did you ask 1312?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also matt why did you ask 1312?

I wanted to see if you would try to defend him or not.

I still don't see how a townie can call someone scum, and then a little later say that they don't want to lynch the person they called scum.

why would i defend him if i pointed out the initial inconsistency though? dgi

also cassie i'm basically on the same page wrt matt/rc. plus matt's last few posts are kinda..............

i think jumping from voting me and saying {creature/grey} buddy the next day to voting grey over a perceived scumslip is just such an "easy" thing to do i would totally expect it from newbscum, and 1312 just pinged tf out of me

rask what are your thoughts here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@matt

Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

^^^

???

Preflip associatives are trash, people.

First, flip scum. THEN find their partner.

Yeah, though we need to find scum first.

We have, but you don't want to bus.

Instead, you'd rather throw out scumreads with no reasons behind them and discredit your buddy's wagon.

when did you start scumreading creature? this feels really out of left-field

I was being snarky.

yeah honestly i buy this but still

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bwuh

?????????????????????

didn't he just say he was townreading me or at least heavily insinuate it??

grey your brand of assholery needs explanation please and ty

ok but this in relation to 1237 still needs some sort of explanation

[gigabyteTroubadour]

whats everyones thoughts on 1442

it's enough to not make me come back with only a naked vote on matt like i would have if he didn't post it, but it's not enough to townread him

matt's last few posts before that were enough to make my townread of him fall straight down a 90 degree incline (i wanted to hear what rask, who earlier said pretty assertively that matt was town, felt about it more specifically but they never got back to my question or my other ones but hey), his case was really underwhelming imo (dont feel it's mine to tear it apart), but what's making it tough is that it could just as likely be desperate town or scum

what's really interesting though is that matt seems to have a really distinct change in character today than from D1. he struck me as cautious, passive, and analytical (not in like a calculating or scummy way, just that he likes to think a bit more about what decisions he makes. that's why i asked if he was a notetaker earlier. i want to say he reminds me of (the player not the rapper) lil uzi vert but matt is less in-the-clouds i guess) but a move like this just doesn't really jibe with someone with a personality like that. head says that it's just a desperation attempt to get an obvious wagon off of him as scum but gut is telling me it's frustration from town

VOTE: mattblackguy

my gut tends to be really stupid however. this change in character doesn't feel natural

plus schadd_ isn't flipping scum ever

creature sticking to his guns is of note though for sure, if matt lynch does go through and flips red i wouldn't mind saying that my meta read was wrong here (hats off to creature though for pulling of literally his best scumgame to date if he's actually scum here)

also i can feel the snark about me in 1455, is there a specific question/request that I missed? I'm going to start working on my schadd_ wall like now but if i missed a question i wouldn't mind answering

pedit: rc fuck i wanted to point it out

still gonna go more in-depth because i haven't done shit and i want to show that i can i guess

even if matt flips town i 100% am not lynching schadd_ ever btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Creature wasn't the scumbuddy, who would you think that it would be?

If I squint really hard maybe casielle? I haven't really re-read yet (i'm just getting back into my groove) but the line she had earlier where she didn't know that bussing early on was a really bad strategy in this specific set-up pinged me a bit that she could possibly be bussing herself. she's giving me mixed feelings now though (as in she's kind of towning it up) so i'm not super crazy about it

other than that no one else really strikes me as a plausible partner which is why i'd be ok going along with a creature lynch

grey's townread of me is really icky still but he's 100% not a mbg partner

i'm pretty sure you and schadd_ are town

so that basically leaves creature and casielle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't recall a town slot in the last year ever being pretty sure that I was town.

it happens sometimes

i hated your entrance but that's really all i dislike about your slot and i can reconcile it as a difference in game theory. other than that we've basically been in the same headspace

shade was meh. meh isn't town or scum.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Spoiler: this was going to be like a full iso but i got bored of repeating myself/making vague commentary so this doesn't really go that far into D1 but my opinion hasn't changed much

ooh!

2. i like the people at dominion forum but part of the fun of mafia is making character judgments about people you don't know
3. thus far, i have been mafia twice and town once. at this point, i was happy to get town just because of that, but i also like town more because knowing everything is boring
4. i like target-investigative roles, the example here being tracker

UNVOTE: gigabyteTroubador, VOTE: ThinkBig

basically my thoughts on this post were exactly the same as RC's, but i also liked the fact that he changed his vote so quickly during RVS. the implication here is that he's scumhunting... since scum already know everyone's alignment there isn't really a point to changing your vote so early into the game because there's ultimately no difference between voting for one town vs. another, but doing so at the time just felt really natural

how often does the IC get nightkilled, if town? intuitively, they will be the best target for killing a strong town player but also they ought to be kept around, from an etiquette standpoint

if i'm remembering casielle you found this question really scummy?

i asked basically the same thing in my newbie game and i was town, i don't see it as alignment indicative

i've been reading the thread. i don't really trust my townreads, esp. d1 (my first and only town game was a flawless scum victory) so i don't have anything really interesting to say. rn i think creature is town, GBT is kinda town

the paranoia here doesn't really feel hamfisted or fake

i thought it was implicit in:

4. wouldnt you like to know

VOTE: ThinkBig

i was actually kind of shocked he picked up the implication here because it was kind of a subconscious thing for me when i was typing. looking back i guess it's kind of obvious but making catches like this (read it in context, we're discussing the rolefishing aspect in question 4) shows that he's reading the game from an uninformed lens and is actively looking for AI content

read in 180 and the whole bit about TB's claim being calculated was more town paranoia/analysis

i doubt scum would claim that they think a roleclaim they know is genuine to be scummy, but even if so the logic behind the analysis adds up. again, really natural thought process that i think is hard for newbie scum to fake

townread of me is also super town, the display of paranoia and the kind of... not abstract but i guess not content-related aspect/guttiness of the read is town.

the sassiness in 198 and 200 comes more often from town, though that as a tell/reason to read someone is less effective with experience imo. i think schadd_ is new enough for it to be a town indicator.

320 just oozes town, especially the parts around me. dunno how else to word this but this is a town post.

just in general i think his responses to casielle both D1 and D2 were town and basically echoed a lot of thoughts i had/i agreed with. in my head i find myself snapping my fingers every time schadd_ posts a counterargument to someone.

i'm kind of at the point where i feel like i'm just pointing to posts in his iso and saying "THIS IS A TOWN POST" so i'll just end the spoiler here.. getting bored and a summary might be more helpful

schadd_'s thought process is really transparent and natural, he makes a lot of good observations that show he's thinking from an uninformed perspective, expresses paranoia in a genuine/comedic way that doesn't feel like he's just throwing

schadd_

shade, makes good arguments that actually add up...

basically it

seconded that i would like to hear another scum!schadd_ case

[gigabyteTroubadour]

creature isn't really deflecting because no one really prodded him for anything. disengaged, though. and i think he has a lot of nai "i usually think" sorts of things as well as "this feels towny," which in excess reflects negatively on an experienced player as far as i've found

gonna say that that's just a creature thing

if you want to see what disengaged/scum creature looks like though i'd recommend reading bee movie mafia which i linked earlier. super short read it's basically me just spamposting for 10 pages and then dying after strongarming a creature lynch

game started simultaneously with this one basically so idk if that impacts how creature has been playing around me now that i think about it again

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga, isn't Grey like conf scum now?

i can't townread this post

i've tried

i just can't.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so you think creature is playing around my scumread of him in that game?

hm...

i should really finish wave (i think creature's only scum win where he doesn't get lynched/carries his team)

ugh i am not in a reading mood i spent like half of my motivation doing that iso and i couldn't even finish it @__@

how long have i been useless btw? like 9ish days right

also shit you mentioned the thing at the hecking beginning of that game too

yeah i guess



at the time i doubted that creature would be able to manipulate his meta but i guess i could be proven wrong??

everything is just screaming at me to reread but @___@

...but that is a creamy-ass

p

-value

i can do a statistically accurate test to show that post count is alignment indicative for him btw (i think it's like a p value of .002 of it not being AI)

but i can't calculate the probability he's town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

to be fair creature does joke a lot about his post count being AI for him to the point it's a trust tell

so bringing it up... idk... probably doesn't mean much if you just mean that?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gosh he reads pretty similar in that game to this one; a lot of asking questions, not really explaining reads at all (he pointed to a post one time but then said "this just solidifies my read"), commenting on gamestate. and, incidentally, initially scumreading tb but then townreading him at the end of the day. and also, incidentally, claiming somebody solved the game d1 at the beginning

the content is similar yes but the engagement is different here

look at the timestamps

that creature lurked the fuck out and just said nonsense that wasn't creature gamesolving that looks like nonsense to other people

creature here is at least more invested

especially day 1 this game?

also the rvs vote isn't statistically accurate/meaningful i'd have to do a 2-sample t test to show that not whatever the fuck i did (i couldnt think of something to bs so i just plotted data on a normal curve lol it makes 0 sense)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also speaking of #scumhuntingwithstatistics creature's post percentage is literally at that sweetspot where he could be either alignment



when i compiled that data i was actually looking forward to not having to actually read-read creature's posts to get a read on him

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i feel like there's something i'm forgetting to do

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hello my scummy friends

hey gigabyte how do you expect something like that to work if you bring it up

creature constantly mentions it being a tell of his

so like

he's already self-conscious of it

at least that was the logic i initially ran off of

now i'm not really sure and i probably ruined an otherwise useful tool

That's why I never told FA for a long time that literally every time she was scum after I pushed on her she would say GET OUT OF HERE!!!

word for word? jesus

If I was creature I would just post more and get cleared by your silly system lol.

Maybe he was going to post less but he posted a little more because he was aware and that's why it's inconclusive

i *think* i can tell the difference between creature filler that he uses as scum

like he tried to argue that in the game i was talking about before

((at this point though it's kind of a dead horse we're beating on here))

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually i kind of just made a really weird assumption so i'm going to resolve it

rask why aren't you townreading me? or at least strong enough to cross out like schadd_ or matt (creature i'd add in too but he's basically conftown tbh)

i assumed you just aren't really familiar with me and i'm not a newbie so i'm not as likely to tell as transparently but i'm worse at this then i let on sometimes

also rask can you get back to me on this or just refuse to answer it (not ignore it)

ty

how is creature practically conftown

another option: if GBT is actually that good at reading people, we can just lynch them and then know they're not fudging things up. which is a nagging concern that i have, albeit a small one

creature is townread because A: i dont know anyone of these folks and i trust their knowledge of him

interesting catch: mbg and creature are the only slots who haven't really questioned any aspect of the D1 everyone-has-the-same-townreads-TB/Rakkar-scumteam-confirmed circlejerk at any point

rc's reads were cassielle/gigabyte EoD1
schadd_'s quote is expressing doubt about what i was pushing
gayreen's quote is self-explanatory
cassielle quote is on there because it's so on-the-nose i doubt a creature partner says that

ergo

really though i've convinced myself it's creature/mbg

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Meanwhile, RC looks bad, specially with "if you're town, we already lost".

why is that bad?

i actually agree with it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

do you think we should maybe look at another slot, keeping the finger of shame stacked on mbg as a reminder that hes not off of the hook?

why would this be productive

(basically my only thought regarding that page tbh)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm kind of back into having really strong townreads on so many slots that there can only be one scumteam <:/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if mbg is a ml then i guess i'd want to lynch grey but i don't feel super great about it

keep the eye on the prize yadda yadda yadda

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rask, cassielle, schadd_

when are you guys cool to end the day?

not seeing much else to talk about

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah that's ok with me



i forgot how town gayreen was tbh

i feel good about this lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rask if you have any objections to this lynch you should probably voice as much

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fake

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rc changing his avatar is really surreal btw

i still read his posts in the voice i give annie but like now it's supernatural saying it

so matt, you have a few hours for last words

and also you could roleclaim I guess.

are we going to wait for cassie to say anything before hammering or

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i forgot how town gayreen was tbh

i don't see the thing that i quoted as town (funny, rather. humorous)

it veers onto the point of "someone who has played mafia once knows this is scummy and GAYreen is a newb who has played mafia many times so it's likely not to come from nervous newbscum"

also keep in mind he replaced out because forum mafia was too slow for him so he probably just got impatient with how the game was running and just wanted to end the day

My last words are to follow Creature tomorrow (but now saying this he's probably dying tonight) because he seems like the only one that knows what's going on.

i dont think creature will die tomorrow regardless of your flip

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont think creature will die tomorrow regardless of your flip

nk, you mean? he seems like an obvious lynch if mbg is redguys

oh yeah

yes i meant tonight

[gigabyteTroubadour]

talking about it i feel lets scum use this dialogue for wifom so i'll just leave it at that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i feel like matt paired with anyone half decent would've claimed doctor by now

matt can't pull off a believable doctor claim with his really fast acceptance of his lynch though

anyone half decent would know not to cc him if he were to claim because he's obviously not flipping doctor

obviously

[gigabyteTroubadour]

He can't claim doctor.

hi rc

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rc if you use google chrome sessionbox is really awesome for alts

dunno if you've heard of it but when i got it it was literally the best

you guys are talking about what's optimal and ideal

i think matt was expecting to ate the lynch away from him :/

in which case not claiming doctor is optimal

as though he'd also know that

i would have figured that out if i were new again

[gigabyteTroubadour]

which part of that quote

that i knew it was an rc alt or that rc thinks he can't claim doctor (he can't)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

how big of a deal is that? you guys seem less concerned than me

?

that he's obviously not claiming doctor?

normally it'd be a big deal but with a newbie i think that he didn't expect his wagon to actually go through

which part of that quote

that i knew it was an rc alt or that rc thinks he can't claim doctor (he can't)

Yes.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Well I've officially lost all faith in GBT. Hopefully Rask, and Creature can carry the town tomorrow.

this ^ makes me think that the whole thing is fake btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no, like, the thing where a wrong account posted here. i mean we don't do alts at dominion forum but that's the sorta thing that gets modkilled

oh it happens all the time with alts and hydras

i slipped like 50 times in bee movie mafia

[gigabyteTroubadour]

this ^ makes me think that the whole thing is fake btw

well it's true. I have lost all faith in you.

aight fam

[gigabyteTroubadour]

see, it's a newbie game. we're learning things.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

spanish flea

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Creature

why this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I thought grey was going to push the angle that editing the countdown was purposely done with scum incentive to confuse us

yo same

[gigabyteTroubadour]

sometimes everyone just needs a flip to progress through the game

which is why taking the full time of a day isn't always helpful

in a larger game you could always try flashwagoning but there's no one here (in my imo opinion) worth flashwagoning

also have been eagerly looking at the clock so i don't miss the hammer

[gigabyteTroubadour]

in my imo opinion)

in my in my opinion opinion?

I'm so glad I'm not the only person that caught that.

you know that i said stuff like that all the time lmfao

now let's wait for aero :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't CC GBT either.

??????????

the one player i was sure was a vt dies ok

gonna wait for rask to post before i talk reads in case there's a guilty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gonna wait for rask to post before i talk reads in case there's a guilty

shouldn't the opposite be true? accountability &c

dont want to influence the nk

and thanks rc that and your vote put all my faith back into you tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my theory isnt wrong there right

like thats normal play...?

i play on the newbie queue for a reason

[gigabyteTroubadour]

anyway with rc voting the point is pointless so uh

i dont really see grey/cassielle as theatre but schadd_ and rc are both pretty strong trs so??

thats where i'm at

dont want to influence the nk

not sure i follow

say it's grey/casielle and for some reason we lynch scum casielle today

scum!grey might think he has me pocketed because (dont want to reveal his alt but the logic here kind of requires me) because im pretty sure thats an angle he'd shoot for

thus he would want to take me to lylo

if i revealed i reversed my read on him he has less incentive to take me to lylo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im staring in dumb, mute shock

one of you three has to be town

but youre all acting scum af

explain scum!schadd pls i still dont see it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well, uh, that's gone then. i don't know what theatre is

scum theatre

as in that ego fight they had D1 was faked to an extent (knowing eachothers' alignment)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wrapping it up relatively quicklike. i got strong scumdar pings on gbT, schadd_ and rask.

schadd_ and Rask, I might work with you on.

Gigs, nowai.

like this is his attitude towards me the whole game and his townread of me was shitty af

he's just trying to appeal to me and whenever i look into it it feels slimey

but matt's D2 also felt slimey as shit so idk

gbT honestly i cant convince you because im not sure you arent scum yourself and i doubt youd bus atm

at this point im not sure what approach to take because town is really, really not working in towns favor this game, so if i look like im lurking, its

dumbfounded silence

idk what to say

yeah i feel you if ur town

basically will be the same today (D2 was more mix-of-rl-and-that)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{Creature}
{Casserole, Gigs, Rask}

{ThinkBig, Shade}
{schadd_ }

grey can u talk to me about your thought process in townreading cassie, scumreading, and then townreading again D1?

anyway, back to square 1. grey, why does your iso read like coasting scum?

You can say I did a lot of things, but coasting ain't one of them.

I shoved the Matt lynch down people's throats. That's the polar fucking opposite of coasting.

he's teasing you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I like the wagon makeup of schadd better.

I'm staying put.

interesting thing to say about what i recall was an all-town wagon mostly...?

in a grey/cassielle world btw the entire TB wagon was town

the abruptness of D1 makes that believable imo

grey can u talk to me about your thought process in townreading cassie, scumreading, and then townreading again D1?

Jesus Christ, I can barely tell you what I thought of supper yesterday.

I'll have to reread the game to remember wtf was going on.

u said that as scum before!!!

scum: caught!!

he's teasing you

No, the dipshït is actually serious.

he was quoting you

i literally just read your iso

[gigabyteTroubadour]

incidentally, i want to call someone a cunt before the game's over but it should surely wait for a good time (wikipedia describes it as one of the few words left in english with shock value)

Telegraphing your intent nullified the shock value.

does that make him scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

u said that as scum before!!!

scum: caught!!

I wouldn't remember what alignment I might have said that as before.

That's kinda my point.

why would you need to remember that though or bring up that you

ugh never mind

((part of what makes you really easy to identify btw is that ur lexicon. like personality is one thing but i can literally pick up specific grey-phrases ))

and no im just wondering where you are taking this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

u said that as scum before!!!

scum: caught!!

Also, if you're just going to do shit like this, I won't bother with the reread because it'll be nothing but a ginormous waste of time since you're just going to call anything I say scum anyway.

it's sarcasm

multiple explanation marks

sorry i know i promised you i'd use and but i forget

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it's actually a 2/4 chance

not sure where 2/3 comes from? this is mylo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

**your lexicon is really distinct

because from where im at both scum are in gbT/schadd_/RC

why are you certain grey is town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait rc

was your scumread of mbg genuine?

serious question with important follow-up

[gigabyteTroubadour]

...why does that make him town though? that doesn't seem like something ai to me

yes I was pretty sure that he was scum.

then wouldn't voting for creature mean that if he were to actually flip scum his partner had to be bussing?

his last few posts were gut-scummy as fuck but he was still widely townread before and i think leveraging creature's defense of mbg could have been a viable strategy (at least what i'd do as scum in that position)

if you knew creature was a doctor (and thus town), who would have been the bussing partner?

I remember a bit about day one.

I initially liked cass' posting day one, it looked productive and seemed to vibe well with my own thoughts.

Then she turned around and painted me as scum in a way that seemed extremely disingenuous, to put it kindly. It felt like she had an agenda to push and was invested in the read.

Then her... reaction... to the blowback she received struck me as wounded town.

I'll look more into the reaction ty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

speaking of bussing i see like 0 reason to do it in this gamestate yet i think every slot has voted for every slot beside mine at some point

which obviously makes me uh

uncomfortable

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't have a good pick for the other scum because I was like 100% sure MBG was scum.

It's you or Cass and you said that Grey doesn't bus so.

he hasn't really ""bussed"" cassie though so i really go that route yet

NOBODY VOTE ITS MYLO

hi rask

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*i really wouldnt

[gigabyteTroubadour]

only teams i've really eliminated are

grey/rc
and any one with schadd_

btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Uhhh

So that leaves cass/Grey.

yeah that's my first pick atm

If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

but you layed off of her

i'm going to see how genuine i think the interaction is once i can reread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ basically

and i think scum voting together like that D1 don't intend to for that long

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

but you layed off of her

i'm going to see how genuine i think the interaction is once i can reread

If you were scum and I came after you the way I went after Cass d1, would you leave me alive and simply hope I didn't get another hair up my ass?

isnt nking a partner gamethrowing

and even if you're town yes i would if you overcame your differences so quickly

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i didnt read it in real time so the timing i guess may be actually different but it was still a interaction i wanted to look over when i can make my contributions here something other than oneliners

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

but you layed off of her

i'm going to see how genuine i think the interaction is once i can reread

If you were scum and I came after you the way I went after Cass d1, would you leave me alive and simply hope I didn't get another hair up my ass?

isnt nking a partner gamethrowing

and even if you're town yes i would if you overcame your differences so quickly

also on this

nks i make here are always Rask>{schadd_, unless partner in which case RC}

schadd was my doctor read (mostly out of POE) and rc was my second best guess

so

????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

and even then i would not be able to lynch schadd_ as scum because i legitimately do not understand how his play can be read as anything other than obvtown

If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

but you layed off of her

i'm going to see how genuine i think the interaction is once i can reread

If you were scum and I came after you the way I went after Cass d1, would you leave me alive and simply hope I didn't get another hair up my ass?

idk. they did that with me no problem. and rc. i mean, it would not hard to realize cass is a dangerously easy lynch this game. in fact, she would be such an easy mislynch if it weren't for tb and mbg

All the more reason to NK the one person that showed a desire and willingness to push her wagon.

yeah i guess rc and schadd_ are chopped liver after all

and me if rc didnt quickhammer but hey thats a discussion for postgame

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you're saying that though like a cassie wagon would have been a permanent vanity wagon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you're saying that though like a cassie wagon would have been a permanent vanity wagon

No I'm not. Wtf are you smoking?

I damned near push Cass into a nervous breakdown. No fucking way she leaves me alive as scum when she knows I can turn around and come after her like a rabid dog.

she'd still have to wait until N2

and if rc is her partner apparently they shoot creature no matter what

i assume you still townread me??

and schadd_ and cassielle as a team is... lol...

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so basically there's no reason for you to die here

Man, I can't believe this game

matt was my first clear, in my notes I had all over "town, never reconsider" and fucking group mentality got to me. should've just said fuck everyone lol

and for some reason he got that super weird new attitude and when I asked about it he never really explained it...

same though????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

can I get opinions on schadd

his shitposting bothers me and he seems to be kinda happy we're in mylo

?? i don't get this vibe at all?

i wanted a scumcase yesterday because his thought process reads really naturally here and like i Get it

dunno how to go more indepth than i did D2 w/o counterarguing someone

[gigabyteTroubadour]

his shitposting bothers me and he seems to be kinda happy we're in mylo

it's less happy and more of the feeling of "well, now we know what needs to be sorted out" after you pee yourself

this is the perfect description

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ooh!

2. i like the people at dominion forum but part of the fun of mafia is making character judgments about people you don't know
3. thus far, i have been mafia twice and town once. at this point, i was happy to get town just because of that, but i also like town more because knowing everything is boring
4. i like target-investigative roles, the example here being tracker

UNVOTE: gigabyteTroubador, VOTE: ThinkBig

_schadd, is your TB vote serious?

mine is

a bit. the questions were all things that i would either say or not say, if you catch my drift

_schadd, schadd_, sch_add are all fine. i'm usually schadd, i think it wanted a non-alphanumeric or something

extremely unambiguous

not sheeping at all (remember why i don't explain shit early D1?)

this is the vote of someone reading the game as town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i seriously do not think those two posts are fakeable as scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it looks extremely ambiguous to me gbT. find me one more, because i cant agree to that one, and if i cant agree to the second ill drop it for now because i really really hate moving the goalposts, always feel guilty about it

not really

he literally stated his reasoning right after and it was an AI thing

does it read like he came up with the reasoning AFTER being asked?

if not just trust me it's town

will look for better examples

(btw i think town isos are more likely to dwindle as the day/game goes on unless scum are losing hard but even then town can get apathetic)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@GBT, rask: how many games have you played?

i feel in a bit of a weird position. GBT can apparently confidently townread half the cast, and neither of rask and creature has really called them out on it. so, uh, we're golden i guess?

i'm gonna evaluate lynches, pretending that we haven't won the game. which is a possibility

TB is uh a vt if he's town, so that's a fine lynch. to me, he seems totally fake, but sometimes i hear people talking IRL and i'm like, you're scum, buddy, and TB gives me the same impression as those people. also, the fact that he colored "vanilla townie" green makes me wanna puke. esp. since it's the mod color, as i mentioned. he still has some posting to do.

rakkar is an uninformative lynch i think. he has posted twice and been talked about.

shade is active and tryna scumhunt, so, a bad lynch. creature is on him, though, and he's town. as far as my read goes, uh, the questions seem hard to fake but there seems to be a bit of a non-linear character progression. i will either explain that later or never.

another option: if GBT is actually

that

good at reading people, we can just lynch them and then know they're not fudging things up. which is a nagging concern that i have, albeit a small one

gonna stay on TB for now. there is more to be learned and we already know a lot, it looks like

bits on me are scumhunting imo

he's saying something controversial and asking a question to build upon that thought process

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also wait cassie gtfo with this stuff about early game content

u read my last newbie where i basically solved the game in D1 RVS

emphasis on basically penguinpower was just really scummy and sugarnips was a nulllurker so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Nobita

sheep me

Or not.

VOTE: Fredrick E Campbell

Selynee's RVS vote and Schadd_'s are obvtown for basically the same reason

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@MOD

did scum get extra nighttalk from the deadline delay?

Yes, but no posts were made in the time between when the game was supposed to open, and the beginning of D3.

is this information we're allowed to know :////

i feel like it's not lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

scumhunting isn't about being right at first

it's knowing when to re-evaulate

schadd_ has been giving me zero reason to reevaluate while every other slot has

Uhhh

So that leaves cass/Grey.

yeah that's my first pick atm

Lol, you guys are saying 772 was theatre? That was probably the first scumteam I ruled out and I'm not making the same mistake as I did with matt again.

Hmmmmm I hope both of you have a really good explanation for exactly why it's fake.

Or I guess you might have overlooked it to string a team together? Mmm that makes sense too, we don't all have the same wincon after all

i don't think schadd_ is scum

rc/grey makes no sense from the quickhammer

????

every team from my pov has bussed

i said i was going to reread those interactions later because i'm not sure

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@MOD

did scum get extra nighttalk from the deadline delay?

Yes, but no posts were made in the time between when the game was supposed to open, and the beginning of D3.

is this information we're allowed to know :////

i feel like it's not lol

Hmmm I wasn't actually intending to fish info like that, now I feel a lil dirty

serious question

does that impact your read on me

i personally think it should but i'm in a really biased position here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that too (@RC)

if you havent needed to re-evaluate schadd_'s slot im saying you are scum. because that slot has had everyone but RC questioning it by this point and a conftown player is not getting town vibes and you /still/ havent reconsidered, thats sort of ridiculous for a town player, especially when more than one player has been yelling ALL GAME that "scum are in your townblock" with actual logical evidence to back it up ffs

so the scumteam is rc/giga i guess

also i never really pushed it as a townbloc when did that lexicon come about again because i know i called it as such but it's not

[gigabyteTroubadour]

LOL now everyone takes the "opportunity" to say it clears them

do you want me to link every pt i've ever been in

i dont shut the fuck up ever and i have nowhere else to post here since this is my only game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

and HOW does that clear you RC what the hell is with this and you being cleared, what is your obsession with being clear today

gbt/rc scumteam is a likely looking one from where im at folks, pocketing schadd_ to coast to win, what say ye

also your biggest scumread is town and scum decided to double up on TB D1 on a quickhammer that looks shitty?

you've been pretty inactive tho...

now you're acting like you'd post more often in a PT than you would in thread

hmm

yes

this is a thinky-esque game

i dont do well in those

i can shitpost in a pt

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im saying that doesnt "clear" anything gbT because its NAI, i was sitting here f5ing the thread like mad

and saying it somehow "clears" you is ridiculous, and focused on appearance not finding and lynching scum

bs btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

btw my inactivity should go away this weekend

i have finals tomorrow and friday and my depressive episode ended basically around the mbg lynch (when i actually started posting) so

Grey I don't like the sudden turn of public opinion against you, it feels reminiscent of what happened to creature where people used his playstyle against him

that said there are 4 other players than you and I'm not sure your pick atm is the right 2

how confident are you on your SRs?

If I was confident, you'd know.

I think you'd know that you'd know.

At this point, I'm looking more for who makes sense as a scum

partner

than who makes sense as scum, because looking for who made sense as scum has gotten us nowhere.

ATM I just want to get clears from the group tbh

2 clears brings it down to 3 scumteams which means only getting rid of 1 association for a guaranteed scum lynch

well that pt question gave you 2 pretty solid ones

(this is cheek and i would understand why you wouldn't actually take it seriously)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

HEAL: schadd_

i scumread grey more but cassie is the mechanically better vote fmpov so i'm not sure who i should FOS

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah from your pov i'd understand

i don't think any team makes sense without me in it if your only factor is "well they pushed each other" so i hard to find that as an eliminating factor for a team at this point

rc/schadd_ is the only scumteam that doesn't fit that criteria and i highly doubt that's it (no spanish flea from schadd_? p sure he was online too)

HEAL: schadd_

i scumread grey more but cassie is the mechanically better vote fmpov so i'm not sure who i should FOS

"mechanically"???

wut

townreading schadd and not seeing rc/grey means it's cass/grey or cass/rc

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we could hammertest if we also get a clear divide in factions btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we could hammertest if we also get a clear divide in factions btw

take this back bad plan in 6 way

maybe we could try in 4way

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually no nling would just be better

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually no nling would just be better

How does that make any sense?

It's not like the NK would tell us anything.

You want to know who scum kills tonight? Rask. Mystery solved. Pretend it happened.

i meant in 4 way after rask died

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it just hit me i've hammertested in every mylo i've been alive for

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Oh sweet we have a townbloc going on now

townbloc implies unity

i see a division :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

eugh

ok

maybe

pedit: @rask

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why should or shouldn't we lynch cass?

i'm town (i dont follow how my d1 comes from scum at all because i wouldnt push a fucking "townbloc" dont care if you think its selfmeta it makes zero sense logistically) and schadd's town

if grey is town it's cassie/rc which i can believe but i think rc is town and grey's townread of me feels exactly like one he had as scum

like

[redacted]

now he has a non-commital scumread on me because i think he's scum

idk it doesn't add up

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grey why not rc/cassielle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

everyone in the initial "townbloc" we've flipped has flipped town ftr

TB was the only conftown outsider

RC still hasn't flipped

[gigabyteTroubadour]

nah fuck partner associations, we can talk about that later

I want to make all of these jokers commit to reads because associations are easiest thing in the world

i have the opposite problem where no fucking associations make sense so idk where this comes from

[gigabyteTroubadour]

-grey-'s scumread of you is probably weak because the game is a trainwreck with scum hiding in the townblock like ive been jumping up and down shrieking about from the time i joined

and like, you cant really trust any reads you arent 100000000% sure of in this gamestate

it's his initial townread that i scumread tbh

rc was right in saying i didnt deserve the towncred i got D1 and grey isnt a newbie so im not sure why he townread me

his reasoning was flimsy (and it was D2 not today)

what I'm saying is, when I'm scum and I'm lazy I can just write a few sentences about associations instead of fabricating reads

because when people disagree on associations it's like "oh well! to each his own!"

but when people disagree on reads there are actual things to talk about

yeah i mean i get why it's just i know for a fact that the scumteam has distanced well via bussing unless RC/Schadd_

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so associations are kind of a crapshoot

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah

but creature is legit the easiest player to read on the site

[gigabyteTroubadour]

how does it not...?

should i explain the thought process individually or do they not make sense as a whole?

@cassielle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im gonna wait for everybody else to chime in gbT

no offense

fair

ooh!

2. i like the people at dominion forum but part of the fun of mafia is making character judgments about people you don't know
3. thus far, i have been mafia twice and town once. at this point, i was happy to get town just because of that, but i also like town more because knowing everything is boring
4. i like target-investigative roles, the example here being tracker

UNVOTE: gigabyteTroubador, VOTE: ThinkBig

Granted, considering your point on the newbie claiming the PR they might have gotten, he could be Tracker if he decided to soft the role in that way

Uhhhh I want to think this is town?

yeah literally the only thing about grey i like is gayreen

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grey why not rc/cassielle

Read RC's ISO.

READ IT!

Look at all the times he talks about Cass.

You can say it's town talking about town. You can say it's scum talking about town.

But it makes no sense as scum talking about scum.

not seeing it

i barely pushed cassielle but it was enough to make him re-evaluate his scumteam?

yeah no i can buy it was a bus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

see this is why i wanted creature to expand on his tr of me because i'm like 100% town loses now

Man why do the people I townread the most seem to ignore me

If I hadn't answered, she'd have used that as an excuse to suspect me, saying I made a statement I couldn't support.

i'm not going to scumread everything you write

if i were at that stage i'd be voting because you can't be blitzed

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well i mean

i dont see anything i can add. -grey- is pretty obviously town to me but i cant put good reasons behind it and i accept that

and i mean, i dont see anything ive done as remotely scummy. tho if people are going to say -grey- and me is scum theater but rc and -grey- isnt then theyre barking mad, the only difference is i got upset and rc didnt

it's not their interactions actually that makes me not like the team

one sec

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Grey is town but holy shit your reads man.

ok so this is SvS interaction we assume

this comment seems like a signal that rc doesn't like grey's pushes in that case

why stream-of-conciousness post about grey for that purpose when you plan on quickhammering?

it's not a thought process that makes sense

[gigabyteTroubadour]

p-edit no im not assuming SvS im saying -grey- vs me is an awful awful argument in favor of either of us being scum if -grey- vs rc isnt equally valid

i think they are equally valid

without flips i'd say no

but I know for a fact (unless it's RC/Schadd_) that scum have distanced pretty heavily

so ???

that isnt a reason to townread us either ftr its a reason to NOT use a really bad argument

yes i get the point

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grey seems very anti-cass wagon rn??

do you mean just d1 stuff

[gigabyteTroubadour]

1970 is basically the only reason i dont think it's rc/grey

i'm not playing by association i'm literally playing by townreading schadd_

Yeah, I meant the D1/D2 stuff. I guess he still makes the most sense as a Cass partner?

btw i still don't really see why you think giga/cass is impossible because i entered the day voting her

if that were the team it put me in a really good position to dodge an RC-tunnel and i don't think anything about it was out-of-the-question in terms of bussing?

i like to think i'm good at catching distancing and from what few games i've played recently i have a decent record but idk i'm still shit at this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

YO

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rusjdiejehdud

YES

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Grey

my only actual scumread this game besides tb is right

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Creature, I'm coming for that toothbrush!

excuse me but communists are the good guys you fuckign capitalist PIG

[gigabyteTroubadour]

btw i still don't really see why you think giga/cass is impossible because i entered the day voting her

if that were the team it put me in a really good position to dodge an RC-tunnel and i don't think anything about it was out-of-the-question in terms of bussing?

i like to think i'm good at catching distancing and from what few games i've played recently i have a decent record but idk i'm still shit at this

It's not the vote it's the way you voted her. I don't think those interactions were SvS.
I guess they are confirmed non-SvS at that point but I already sorta knew that.

i'll ask in postgame tbh grey!scum makes everything fall in place

I wish I said this before you came out with that but I'm starting to wonder about Grey/Giga as a scumteam.
Giga bussing Grey makes a ton of sense here, especially if Grey committed the nightkill, that reaction feels kinda overblown, and it would make the lack of pressure on me make sense.
If scum thought they could use me to lynch Cass I can see why everyone would come into today claiming townreads that weren't on me yesterday.

i would like to think that me looking into grey's tell on his read on me would clear that since the thought only crossed my mind mid-day 2 and i would have pushed you as scum

but i'd rather talk with the peanut gallery about that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

keeping my vote on i'm like shaking irl im' so fuckguudj excited

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why not 10% me

if you're clearing rc from that why can rc still be scum?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rusjdiejehdud

dvorak?

fhsjjejemhcud!!!

Lel

You guys will never find my partner. She's going to bring it home for us.

sick wifom

im a THEY u curr!! (jk either is fine i can only set 1)

why not 10% me

if you're clearing rc from that why can rc still be scum?

oh that's just a unique passive, it doesn't really go away

oh ok

yeah i get it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rc has had a female avatar for maybe 88% of the game, gbt accepts "she" for esl. i'm a detective

see town is more likely to remember details like that

tomorrow in my imo opinion we hammertest rc...?

rc has had a female avatar for maybe 88% of the game, gbt accepts "she" for esl. i'm a detective

Your avatar looks like a close up of a used maxi.

uh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well we have a fuckton of time go ahead and post findings in-thread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

On a serious note

65% grey/cass 35% grey/giga 1% grey/rc [muh math]

I still haven't look at giga's games to see if the meta holds but I know she doesn't have very many scumgames to begin with so even if true the sample size is very small

OTOH it IS really good for RC

btw the meta i used earlier was for ALL games and just me in pts in general

check my dead threads i always have a high post count

[gigabyteTroubadour]

schadd_ if you feel ballsy we can hammertest both me AND rc tomorrow

tc rask

schadd_ how do you feel about a grey/gbT pairing? im not seeing any reason not to treat that as the true scumteam from where im at

gbt townread gayreen where i didn't at all, plus it would make a lot of sense since they were doing that with all the newbies

cassie and i agreed on that read though for the same exact reasoning

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i still think i'm the only one who actually pressured grey at all D2 w/ stuff about his townread

and now grey has a tell he has to avoid from me

schadd_ if you feel ballsy we can hammertest both me AND rc tomorrow

That's a great plan.

yeah!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

u did it first, and cass's reasoning doesn't matter. hi-oh!

dont follow this

Man I was asking about the gayreen read SO MUCH d1 and everyone was like OH YEAH ITS FINE CMON STOP WORRYING

ok but you're conftown

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh fuck sorry

[gigabyteTroubadour]

CRAP

crap

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah that should be deleted ://

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also remember gbT downplaying my potential scumread of GAYreen based on him having offsite experience -- and the site sucking, so still a noob or w/e?

thats nai not something to give him townpoints for

[gigabyteTroubadour]

UNVOTE:

I feel really shitty for scum if its Grey/Cass because that mod slip just made this game really difficult.

#TeamShitpost

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Guys I'm pretty sure I figured out the scum slot.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I am 1-shot bP.

(i was hoping RC comes in voting for me so i use this pic but lol now's a good time as any)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the extra day was 100% worth the wait

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fUCK WRONG PICTURE

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also schadd i had the same thought

like who didnt think i was setting up a doc fakeclaim if scum?

my play D2 i thought would look prish when rc tried to bait CCs

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Guys I'm pretty sure I figured out the scum slot.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I am 1-shot bP.

(i was hoping RC comes in voting for me so i use this pic but lol now's a good time as any)

Right? Obvious scum tactic.

my scum play is excellent dont insinuate otherwise!!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont understand why -grey- wouldnt do the kill if im on the team? because im not scum but

why? the reasoning makes no sense to me

you claimed VT D2

if rask tracked you N1 or at any point it's gg

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont understand why -grey- wouldnt do the kill if im on the team? because im not scum but

why? the reasoning makes no sense to me

you claimed VT D2

if rask tracked you N1 or at any point it's gg

on this thought we dont end the day until rask gives D1 result

grey most likely did both kills

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grey ur more fun when you're scum

well i dont have a good argument other than WIFOM to that. im not scum though and if you lynch me d4 town loses this game, period

yeah it doesnt conf you as scum you dont need a counterargument

just means that grey did both kills most likely

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ugh, well rc already scumreads me, itd REALLY help if i could shut that down lol

maybe rask really did track you N1??

but then i dont see scum in {rc, schadd_} so lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

regardless of ur align cassie i thought your play was pretty solid

[gigabyteTroubadour]

regardless of ur align cassie i thought your play was pretty solid

@all the newbies too

good table

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also lol at the tb lynch being all-town if it's cassie

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ town posting ^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well yeah my role pm is green buddy-o

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yo

what if grey and his partner shot creature because they read him as a vt and planned on "ccing" me??

lmaooooooo

well yeah my role pm is green buddy-o

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Sure.

If mgb flips scum, let me talk a little tomorrow before lynching me.
If mgb flips town, I am town and voting me is a scumclaim.

If you don't agree with this, maybe we can think of a better lynch.

wait lol why did i vt-read creature

i'm such a dumbass lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yo

what if grey and his partner shot creature because they read him as a vt and planned on "ccing" me??

That's totally what happened!

It's like you have access to our PT!

i love being a mafia traitor

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no but like if that was the plan and rask didnt get a guilty then i think scum wins

grey vs. me

i'd get lynched probably

but creature was the doc lol

yo

what if grey and his partner shot creature because they read him as a vt and planned on "ccing" me??

That's totally what happened!

It's like you have access to our PT!

i love being a mafia traitor

Why do they call it a mafia traitor when the faction being betrayed is town?

Shouldn't it be a town traitor?

ur nitpickier when you're scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

still i'm glad i was right about something even if the thought never crossed my mind until D2 :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean i'll reevaluate but i only think it's you because i think schadd_ and rc are town

i thought you were town for most of the game except for today and pre-mbg episode D2 (but like via associative read over a direct read on you)

@cassielle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

aero can we make grey a treestump

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i knew it!!

it was really obvious

[gigabyteTroubadour]

but yeah i totally would make the kill anyway as scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok heres something interesting

grey has voted every slot (ftr he never voted me again after moving his vote to rc, my bad there) currently alive

EXCEPT

gbT

feel free to check

see if it wasnt something i'd regret (not ongoing games) i have meta to back up THAT HE DID THAT BEFORE AS SCUM

he was definitely trying to tie himself to me which is why i wanted to scrutinize his tr of me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

to clarify i have not referred to an ongoing game in anyway

[gigabyteTroubadour]

look gbT youre playing to your wincon and all

but you should know, i put very little faith in meta

ive brought it up on multiple occasions each day-phase even, to multiple players

why are you still feeding me meta to try and gun down that argument?

and would scum not take advantage of that meta if it were available?

im using meta to explain my actions/thought process not influence reads

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like i'd answer your questions normally but they're loaded af

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i think 2120 is the first cassie post i actually like hard-scumread

like she was scummy but it was always more poe

to clarify i have not referred to an ongoing game in anyway

If you're not referring to ongoing, link the game you're referring to

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dunno when something is directed to you it's more intimate and like

2120 gave me the same pings matt did

matt was town yeah but like everyone agreed that his last posts were scummy

that question about grey was rly bad (even if grey is scum lol)

GBT what do you know about my scum meta?

nothing hard or factual, just the one game we played when i first joined and it's more stuff i've observed on my own and that you mentioned in game (so i knew you liked using bussing and that's basically it)

like i did try to meta you then but i never really GOT meta at the time because i was still new so I ended up thinking you were town from it? not sure why

only other games i've seen from you (off the top of my head the C9++ game with bins and zach) were all town games too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8487172

@rask does this help

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh i really want to hear rc's analysis of grey's shitposts bc ive just been laughing my lmao ass off not rly thinking

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*to be tbh honest

[gigabyteTroubadour]

laughing my lmao ass off

Laughing your laughing your ass off ass off?

what the wtf the fuck is ur problem

[gigabyteTroubadour]

for your fyi information:

"for your fyi information", "irl in real life", "what the fuck the fuck", "to be tbh honest", and "in my imo opinion"

are all the redundancies i actually use

i have friends i swear to god

laughing my lmao ass off

Laughing your laughing your ass off ass off?

what the wtf the fuck is ur problem

Luv Joo Giggles.

Reread post 27 in our PT, I left you a hidden message.

will do post game when given access

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont know why i even started it's just been a Thing for years

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont know why i even started it's just been a Thing for years

If you don't have access, how did you know to capitalize Thing in response?!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so people have said that greys meta is not to come in and bus

but looking back it was cass that triggered their interaction, only after cass talked about grey a fair bit did grey "push back" but even then he said it wasnt really a scumread
so as distancing which was cass-initiated and went pretty hard, I can see grey responding a bit before they went back to other things for serious voting. So anyways, I don't think "grey would never treat a teammate like that" really works here then.

interesting because grey yesterday when cass was a wagon basically made it out as though "of course cass was who I wanted yesterday but I couldn't get support" but that wasn't really the case... it's possible grey thought that'd give him some points if cass flipped or in general that narrative was useful to setup (if cass is town I don't think it's as useful?).

haven't given it a hard look besides what you linked earlier w/ cass being a good actor but this is good to know then

and was kind of what i was thinking?

tonally i still can see town!cass but schadd_ is just obvtown af

If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

stuff like this too, a favourite of scum

which is horseshit like i said earlier

there's no reason to shoot ANYONE but you N1

((which is why i thought rc/cassie because of the reasoning of the hammer but it's nai and i should just ask rc postgame if i still care))

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont want to hammer test tomorrow

we're definitely nling

or hammertesting rc i guess but idk nling feels safer to me :/

tonally i still can see town!cass but schadd_ is just obvtown af

Hang onto those reads!

anything 4 u bby

[gigabyteTroubadour]

cassie when does the talk about the supposed contradiction come out btw

rc is really, really town, do not hammertest rc ffs

do not hammertest period even

then why not hammertest

mechanically confirmed town is better than obvtown-by-read town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we hammertest him on you or me imo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont want to hammer test tomorrow

we're definitely nling

Don't do that.

i was thinking we double nl?

wouldnt want to accidentally kill town in LYLO when it really counts!

because thats a risk? a huge risk on a slot im 100% certain is town. to think of rc being town i have to see myself as scum, and seeing myself as scum is unthinkable

if youre gonna hammertest anyone hammertest a scummy slot ffs

why would you give the hammer to a slot you scumread

do you want the hammer in lylo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh ok

btw unless you take being tracked as a clear this is the first time i'm not basically confirmed town by endgame in a town game

i was thinking we double nl?

wouldnt want to accidentally kill town in LYLO when it really counts!

Triple NL would be safer.

good point!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

this doesn't add up...

cass I really wish I had your meta

yeah that's why i want to nl tomorrow :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like i only found 1 cassie post scummy and it's from today

she's just been poe-not-as-town

but idk she still feels town sometimes

i just dont see rc and schadd_ as candidates

btw unless you take being tracked as a clear this is the first time i'm not basically confirmed town by endgame in a town game

If these clowns had any brains at all, they'd consider you confirmed town.

tbh i could be an ic and i'd still be scumread

just ask creature

gendidit

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ that is townie as FUCK ^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

say it's schadd_ (lol) and we test on you

cassielle (2) - giga, schadd

not voting: cassielle, rc

with 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch

^you know you're town and wont hammer, rc wont hammer you and win so he's town

you could take it a step further yes and have me unvote, rc vote, and test me (or schadd_ here but this town would lose)

in the real game i'd say rc and schadd_ are ideal but at that point i'd nl because that's taking two gambles

[gigabyteTroubadour]

booo i got excited

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that implies we changed who was doing the kills though which is suicide in this set-up