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Post Post #850  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:16 pm

Do you get to choose your question zeif?

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Post Post #851  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:47 pm

In post 848, Desperado wrote:MFW Snarky's claim is the most believable so far
What can I say? The game is retarded.
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Post Post #852  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:59 pm

(pssst - check the last mod post)

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Post Post #853  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:01 pm

In post 851, Alisae wrote:
In post 848, Desperado wrote:MFW Snarky's claim is the most believable so far
What can I say? The game is retarded.
Not I mean the modding skillz. Fun game.

Also didn't see modnote rip.
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Post Post #854  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:05 pm

I don't mean the modding skillz
typo tho-
I'm just digging my grave deeper aren't I?
Sorry mod.
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Post Post #855  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:10 pm

So I was a bit harsh earlier, sorry for that.

zefiend what I don't understand is why you didn't just pick one of the survey responses claimed in the thread?

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Post Post #856  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:10 pm

nah I made a bad move, you're fine.
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Post Post #857  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:43 pm

due to a death in the family, I'm going to be V/LA for some currently unknown period of time next weekend (the first weekend of February). this may result in one of the day or night phases being extended by a couple of days. I will keep you all up to date.

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Post Post #858  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Mod I'm sorry about your loss.
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Post Post #859  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:45 pm

In post 849, Desperado wrote:zefriend, how often to you gambit? I did not take you for that kind of player.

Why snarky?

Be more specific about the reads you gathered from your reaction test. I know you're more than capable of it so the lack of depth here is a huge red flag.

Although my sample size on MS is small, I have not ever been in a position to make a gambit like this. Obviously there are gambits like fake claiming doc as vanilla to draw fire, but I'm not a huge believer in those types.

The reason I chose to go with a gambit was because (1)the amount of lurkers was too damn high, and I wanted to pressure at least one of them substantially, (2)my target died and I felt rather bummed, so I wanted to make *something* happen, (3)my gut feeling of the player base in this game led me to believe that I could successfully read the reactions to the gambit.

I was going to choose Snarky or Frank, but went with Snarky because Frank was giving me a vibe that he was laying low for a good reason. He's since claimed Doc, which I have no reason to not believe -- this doesn't preclude the possibility of a Mafia Doc.

I wanted to let the gambit simmer for as long as possible so that things could develop, and I'm pleased with the results even though Narna was late to the party -- I'm not too worried about that slot right now anyway.

I liked Desperado and Alisae reactions because their momentum immediately shifted to "solving" the game and auto-winning, so-to-speak. On the other hand, Azrael not so much and I think their L-1 vote was a bit suspicious. Davsto had the opportunity to hammer for a little bit, but that might be seen as scummy regardless of his alignment.

I think some parts of Snarkys claim are true, and some are obvious lies. As someone said, the whole lyncher-info mechanic seems far-fetched. I think Snarky is probably just a self-aligned Lyncher, which leaves 3 more alignments unaccounted for.

If there's a Cult, we should be suspicious of everyone. There might be an Alien, who's responsible for saving Snarky from Azrael vig shot. I've played as an Alien before, and they're generally neutral, meaning I wouldn't worry about them right now. Finally, there could be another independent SK, which would lead me to be cautious of Azrael.

Therefore I'm not interested in lynching Snarky, Desperado, Alisae, Frank, and Narna. That leaves Davsto, Azral, and Kain, the latter whom we haven't heard from at all toDay.

I think Kain should claim since he was strongly softing being an informative PR earlier, then we can go from there.

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Post Post #860  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:46 pm

I did not get to choose the question I had to answer in order to receive a result.

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Post Post #861  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:16 pm

Lol let's lynch Davsto so Snarky can hammer for special abilities
lol
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Post Post #862  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:20 am

What's an alien?

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Post Post #863  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:54 am

Actually
In post 859, ɀefiend wrote:I liked Desperado and Alisae reactions because their momentum immediately shifted to "solving" the game and auto-winning, so-to-speak.

When and where did Alisae do that?

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Post Post #864  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:00 am

In post 741, Alisae wrote:Ah ok.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman
This snowman has got to go then.

btw I'll do reads and all that stuff laterz. Gimmie name to ISO.

In post 742, Desperado wrote:VOTE: Snarky

In post 743, Desperado wrote:Really no need Ali. We can finish the mass claim and win right now.

In post 744, Alisae wrote:Oh so I'm claiming now?

In post 745, Alisae wrote:actually nah I'll wait.

In post 747, Desperado wrote:Sure if you want to start and popcorn it

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Post Post #865  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:02 am

An Alien is a neutral third party that "abducts" someone each night (jailkeeping them). When he abducts X players, or all living players have been abducted, the Alien satisfies his win-con and "flies away on his spaceship" (leaves the game.)

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Post Post #866  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:02 am

There's no question that Desp did what you're saying he did.

How do you get "solving the game" and "auto-winning" from those Alisae posts?

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Post Post #867  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:03 am

In post 865, ɀefiend wrote:An Alien is a neutral third party that "abducts" someone each night (jailkeeping them). When he abducts X players, or all living players have been abducted, the Alien satisfies his win-con and "flies away on his spaceship" (leaves the game.)

Thanks.

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Post Post #868  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:21 am

He was immediately agreeable with Desp, who initiated the plan.

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Post Post #869  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:28 am

I also like how zefiend allowed several claims in the massclaim to happen even though several people only agreed because he got a guilty

Your reaction test was a bad idea and how you continued to handle it was worse.
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Post Post #870  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:30 am

Also the reads you got from it were tenuous at best (and considering massclaim discussion started before your fake result, arguably those reads would have happened anyway)

I could go on as to how bad it was but it's fairly self-evident (and others have covered many points)
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Post Post #871  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:31 am

In post 869, Davsto wrote:[...]
Your reaction test was a bad idea and how you continued to handle it was worse.

Reasons ...?
In post 870, Davsto wrote:Also the reads you got from it were tenuous at best (and considering massclaim discussion started before your fake result, arguably those reads would have happened anyway)

Four reads I got directly from my reaction test would have happened anyway if I didn't gauge the test? Explain.

I could go on as to how bad it was but it's fairly self-evident (and others have covered many points)

"Self-evident" is not an argument.

Others have had mixed feelings about the gambit but most are working through it via discussion. Feel free to contribute at any point.

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Post Post #872  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:40 am

In post 871, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 869, Davsto wrote:[...]
Your reaction test was a bad idea and how you continued to handle it was worse.

Reasons ...?
Fake guilty reaction tests are just inherently bad because they are generally misleading and cause unnecessary confusion in a game which is confusion enough. The way you handled it was mentioned by me earlier in the post and has been addressed by other players as well.
In post 870, Davsto wrote:Also the reads you got from it were tenuous at best (and considering massclaim discussion started before your fake result, arguably those reads would have happened anyway)

Four reads I got directly from my reaction test would have happened anyway if I didn't gauge the test? Explain.
Let's have a look, shall we?

Desperado and Alisae - you say they "shift" to game-solving, but Desperado had been discussing a massclaim and game solve since the start of the day, before you'd made any sort of post. One can assume that Alisae's reaction to it would have little difference. Also may I find it odd here that this was enough to push Desperado from scumlean to townlean?
Now, I'll admit that your other two reads on Azrael and I were because of your little reaction test, but let's look into them now
Azrael is sus because they put a cop guilty to L-1 (and it wasn't L-1, right? It was L-2 iirc) . You commented that I didn't hammer at L-1. How can both of these actions be scummy? That's what I mean by tenuous, they're tiny little things which are really useless for telling alignment, but you're going to say it anyway just so you can act like your reaction test wasn't worthless.

I could go on as to how bad it was but it's fairly self-evident (and others have covered many points)

"Self-evident" is not an argument.

Others have had mixed feelings about the gambit but most are working through it via discussion. Feel free to contribute at any point.

"Self-evident" was there to mean "pretty much every other player has thought about the issues and posted about them too". It's hilarious that you ask me to contribute when that post was literally contributing to the discussion as to why it was bad, you just snipped out those parts in your quotes to make your post look less worthless.
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Post Post #873  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:27 am

In post 844, FrankJaeger wrote:
In post 838, FrankJaeger wrote:KT its ur turn

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Post Post #874  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:29 am

Doc
Some kinda vig
Lyncher+idk wtf
Liar cop
Prolly missed one

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