Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

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Post Post #2350  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:26 pm

Shhhh bro, it's going exactly as planned.
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Post Post #2351  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:28 pm

I am altering the plan. Pray I do not alter it any further.
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Post Post #2352  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:31 pm

But if you alter the plan any further, they'll figure out you're my partner.
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Post Post #2353  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:32 pm

It's okay I have a secret weapon up my sleeve.
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Post Post #2354  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:33 pm

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Post Post #2355  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:52 pm

In post 2349, RadiantCowbells wrote:As much as I was unsettled by the lack of pressure on me, can we go back to the not paranoid cuz title thing?

@RC

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Post Post #2356  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:53 pm

He doesn't straight up ignore partners. That's bad. He does the generic ask them occasional questions thing or he buddies them and forms a pseudotownbloc kind of like GBT did if she's scum.
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Post Post #2357  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:05 pm

geez gigabyte like 2/3 of the games I searched up you weren't actually playing you just made like 1 post at the end
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Post Post #2358  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:24 pm

can we finish toDay? rc and rask, is there anything you want from me?

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Post Post #2359  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:52 pm

yeah
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Post Post #2360  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:05 pm

Well, overall I'm not really sure, but I guess I'd lean towards it being gigabyte... In her other scum game she seemed to prioritize partner interaction and building a good association, in pregame said
we have to interact with each other A LOT. we know each other irl but we have to do everything to sort each other out so it shouldn't be too hard to fake.

and tried to engage a fair bit.

In the context of THIS game I could see her having said similar to gayreen pregame and the interaction they had earlier d1 as gigabyte trying to encourage this. Then gigabyte's thing about grey "you've been ignoring me, etc", "you really do have weak reads on me" so on and so forth I could see from giga being conscious of her partner ignoring her and leaving that association, possibly annoyed (well if it was me I'd be annoyed, at least).
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Post Post #2361  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:18 pm

If Cass is scum she's pretty proficient at AtE and would probably come from a site where it's really prevalent.

Generally if I don't know if someone is capable of doing all that I'd think it's more likely it was just genuine, at least more often than not that's what I have seen, though of course assuming is risky and without knowing cass its definitely not a safe judgement to make.

Compared to giga, the "level of acting" for scum cass seems higher if that makes sense. Giga was kind of energetic early d1 (but as scum I can see that for earlygame myself) but since then faded into a kind of blob of whatever, cass otoh was more extreme and volatile for most of the game. I think if there's 2 people and one of them is just like okay-ish over a long period of time whereas the other person is variable and does some towntells and some scumtells, the latter is more likely town? At least it looks more natural I guess, I'd imagine any heavily invested very active town would have some moments where they did look scummy just through being so involved.
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Post Post #2362  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:32 pm

But at the very least, I don't think I'd go back to suspecting one of the other slots... seems like if one of them was scum the time to do anything about it has already passed.
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Post Post #2363  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:33 pm

VOTE: -grey-

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Post Post #2364  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:34 pm

Though recently schadd's been so incredibly meh it makes me a little worried
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Post Post #2365  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:39 pm

but yeah idk, good luck folks
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Post Post #2366  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:42 pm

i've spent most of toDay reading and all of my not-meh is in a notepad document at the moment

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Post Post #2367  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:51 pm

so

It's hard to see anyone as scum here really, but least hard seems to be giga. -Grey-'s association with cass may not be great but at least part of that seems like -grey- intentionally tying himself. When I think individual reads though it's just hard for me to see cass scum... she definitely did a good job if she is. Well, I guess anyone who was scum in this game did a decent job.
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Post Post #2368  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:51 pm

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Post Post #2369  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:07 pm

In post 2367, Raskolnikov wrote:When I think individual reads though it's just hard for me to see cass scum... she definitely did a good job if she is.


yeah this

and i'm not really mad either way this ends up

Raskolnikov wrote:Giga was kind of energetic early d1 (but as scum I can see that for earlygame myself) but since then faded into a kind of blob of whatever


i realize this is better to say post-game but this is not ai for me specifically

i thought you looked through my games? i know i've kind of faded away like i did here in other town games before

i mean here a big part of it is knowing that i was going to get lynched endgame and not really being able to figure out who the team actually is but like i can fight through that demotivation most of the time

Raskolnikov wrote:Well, overall I'm not really sure, but I guess I'd lean towards it being gigabyte... In her other scum game she seemed to prioritize partner interaction and building a good association, in pregame said
we have to interact with each other A LOT. we know each other irl but we have to do everything to sort each other out so it shouldn't be too hard to fake.

and tried to engage a fair bit.

In the context of THIS game I could see her having said similar to gayreen pregame and the interaction they had earlier d1 as gigabyte trying to encourage this. Then gigabyte's thing about grey "you've been ignoring me, etc", "you really do have weak reads on me" so on and so forth I could see from giga being conscious of her partner ignoring her and leaving that association, possibly annoyed (well if it was me I'd be annoyed, at least).


if this were the plan wouldn't it make more sense to discuss with grey what kind of answer i would have found "good"/push it earlier in the day?
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Post Post #2370  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:07 pm

the only thing that's maybe weird is the townbloc thing, but if its a townbloc with you and your partner in it, and people you want to buddy (creature?) it makes sense I guess
and gigabyte vanished off the surface of the earth when I was getting wagoned even though she said she townread me pretty hard earlier and wanted to include me in that townbloc

I remember that, the appeared just the moment after I got forced to claim lol, like nice timing
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Post Post #2371  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:08 pm

In post 2370, Raskolnikov wrote:the only thing that's maybe weird is the townbloc thing, but if its a townbloc with you and your partner in it, and people you want to buddy (creature?) it makes sense I guess
and gigabyte vanished off the surface of the earth when I was getting wagoned even though she said she townread me pretty hard earlier and wanted to include me in that townbloc

I remember that, the appeared just the moment after I got forced to claim lol, like nice timing


i was asleep <:/
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Post Post #2372  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:18 pm

I'm not saying being demotivated is AI. Just that, when multiple people look town, the shallowest and easiest-to-fake seems suspect.
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Post Post #2373  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:20 pm

I might have missed something though.

You have just one scumgame right?

And you've only actually been lynched once?

I might be missing some games.
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Post Post #2374  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:21 pm

no those stats are true

In post 2372, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not saying being demotivated is AI. Just that, when multiple people look town, the shallowest and easiest-to-fake seems suspect.


i meant the sudden change but like i get why you think it's scummy

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