Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[camntsuki]

I don't know that we can assume where it started;

Fair enough.
Though Mollie's narrative that he DIDNT have it up front is questionable, I think.

[camntsuki]

drealmerz- why did you roleblock Despo last night, again?

[camntsuki]

SEEMS LIKE THE POST I MADE BEFORE NEVER WENT THRU

BUT WE HAVE ALL THE INFO WE NEED TODAY ANYWAYS

WE'RE LYNCHING STAEG TODAY

[pirate mollie]

Pretty strong scum. The "I was told there'd be protection" thing, if correct, would bring her to a way weaker scumread, but Nahdia's last post makes me

I asked for a readslist.

[Fate]

Lucifer is an awesome mystic

[Fate]

Also I said it goes to a "random" person

because I'm not a clown >_>b

[pirate mollie]

I don't know that we can assume where it started;

Fair enough.
Though Mollie's narrative that he DIDNT have it up front is questionable, I think.

I can understand the confusion from what i said, I reread it and it shld read like this: "cos she knew scum

did

have 1 so she cld give the orbs away and look town until there was a chance that town wld collect all of the orbs and THEN withhold it." sorry.

does that make more sense?

I srsly doubt a town player wld have given infinity an orb. no1 had mentioned that they had it prior and nacho refrained cos he still had his.

so I am assuming scum had it the whole time if kagami is scum.

desp has asked you why do you think players are town for giving away the orbs after he gave you an example of town not having done so. you ignored him.

kagami is literally not reading the game just like she wasn't reading our pt. yet no1 cares.

I think staeg and zito both look like something that slithered out of a truckstop toilet and I had settled on them ages ago, but then some shit happened that are raising red flags that are giant and big and can be seen from outerspace.

just in case any1 forgot or they did not read what I posted earliier lemme reiterate:

why did kagami say, "well you knew that he wld do it" if she thought that dunn was town. I mean if she was happy that town got it then why did shr snap at me like that? why ignore the pt until minutes before it opened to say, "did you nk me?". I mean wtf I told her in the pt that dunn and I told each other our roles and that was after she kept demanding that I explain my townread on dunn. I never told her what our roles

were

altho I did out mine to her later on and only partially cos I did not trust her. I mentioned something about desp softing (which was an error on my part but whtever) and scum targeted him.

there are like 20 million things that do not add up with her and she never addresses them then she disappears and lets dunn defend her.

like srsly no

I wld very much like for this to be cleared up once and for all so that the game can move forward. cos from my POV she looks every bit as guilty as the pple she is accusing which other than zito I am not even sure of who else. oh yeah, suddenly staeg.

if you think she is town then make her give reads and make her accountable. like srsly help me out.

[pirate mollie]

Lucifer is an awesome mystic

[pirate mollie]

also camn why are you asking flavour from other players when you refuse to disclose anything about your own role?

[camntsuki]

I'll tell you later.

[camntsuki]

and I didn't provoke any claims. but if your gonna claim, I want flavor.

[Katsuki]

IN AN IDEAL WORLD YOU CLUCKLEFUCKS STOPPED CLAIMING EONS AGO BUT IF YOURE GONNA CLAIM THEN YOU CLAIM YOUR FLAVOUR IN FULL

STAEG DIES TODAY THOUGH NO QUESTIONS ASKED. WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BREAK THIS GAME OPEN

[Desperado]

ya im not voting staeg

[Katsuki]

I mean I guess I'd be fine with your I don't care which order they die in but I think Staeg is more likely to be scum.

[Katsuki]

*I'm fine with your vote

[Dunnstral]

Did katsuki forget he was in a hydra

[camntsuki]

Some members of this hydra lack discipline at times.

@Mollie: You think both Infinity AND Kagami are scum and started with ORB-pieces... and then Kagami started giving them away left and right... only to pull shenanigans last night? Whereas Infiniy, who was much scummier, he held his?
Just checking.. cuz that seems unlikely to me.. though possible.

Our lynch-order preference is still
Staeg, cuz scum-->
Zito, cuz wtf?-->
Drealmerz on policy.

[Fate]

No trolling though... Nuwen opened my eyes to Lucifer by Neil Gaiman

His entire quest is to create a new cosmos,

Freedom is his only aim and value

#Mystic

[Desperado]

There is nothing inherently townie about passing orbs, especially when a) Kagami passed her starting orb n1 when infinity was still alive, b) she passed the other two after being given them by Dunn, so she couldn't just start assembling the orb then, and c) town and scum have both been confirmed to hold an orb so it is literally NAI.

[Desperado]

And there don't have to BE any "shenanigans," if Kagami lied about passing it to me and passed it to her scumbuddy instead

it explains everything

.

[Desperado]

Last but not least, my recollection of Kagami is that she is an Uber Puzzle Solver and I am seeing not one iota of that in this game. There is soooooooooooooo much information to piece together and she's just flying by the wind pushing people because their fucking flavor contradicts hers.

[Kagami]

That only seems that way because you're not thinking things through, Desp, and I'm doing my best to make things clear, while you're poo-pooing me for reasons that I don't understand. Your beliefs simply don't make sense and you're not helping me help you get to the bottom of them.

I misunderstood staeg's claim as a strictly night action, but that doesn't make anything I said less true.

Let's say you're Staeg and you receive this PM:

I am a Light Warden, a Turtle Mystic.
I can listen to someone's Soul Frequency at the end of any day to learn about a Connection they have if they have ~enough votes~. I also apparently have the ability to sever their connection at night (if I could find one).

You're right if you are scum. you think "looks like I can deneighborize people if they get enough votes. That must mean there are a lot of town neighborhoods and I probably shouldn't say anything about it unless I have to."

But if you are town with that PM, you read it and think: sweet jesus, I can probably detect scum PTs and cut them off! I'm a cop! I'm better than a cop, even, because I don't have to worry about godfathers! All I need to do is make sure that someone I want to investigate has "enough votes."

Why do you then say nothing? Why on earth would you be worried that there's some scum role that is somehow better than this and that you should keep quiet about what would likely be the most powerful town role in the game? Why would you think this only affects neighborhoods when you have no reason to believe neighborhoods exist nor any reason to think cutting them off would be a smart thing to do.

[Kagami]

And let's take a look at 1200. Yes, I was wrong here, but obviously I didn't know that at the time.

Staeg, however, did. By any interpretation of that ability, he would have targeted zito in twilight and been told zito was lynched and is thus invalid. If it's a day action, then it's inconsistent with Dunn's dreamtime.

Why do you then post

and I still don't think they'd save Zito for WIFOM.

I disagree with this part. If it's a day 1 only thing they would definitely use it and then not claim it to send day 2 down the drain as well.

Anyway, I disagree with some of your premises - for one, I believe it's very possible that some roles have trigger-on-X-event type abilities, such as "end the day when [pool of people] reach L-1" and Fate simply wasn't around in the 16 minutes before the next vote.

[Kagami]

I don't think scum got fake claims. Maybe fake flavors like Shaman mafia. I had put infinity at effectively L-1 for a long time and I'm pretty sure he'd have claimed if he felt comfortable doing so.

[Kagami]

Staeg is also just scum by play and by PoE. Yes, his flavor is directly opposed to mine as well, which in the absence of fake-claims and anything else, would probably be good enough. But reducing my argument to that is disingenuous and you know it, desp.