Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im absolutely sure of it by simple PoE

can u vote me

you're confirmed scum fmpov but let's make it exciting

[gigabyteTroubadour]

is it something i should find weird that cassie didn't mention that i'm confirmed to her...?

like she's absolutely sure - she doesn't know - but she's

sure

sure is when you're confident. knowing is when it's fact

((might be overthinking this))

[cassielle]

def overthinking it. PoE says it can only be you

there is a chance, realistically, that RC or schadd_ could be scum. but that's not worth keeping in mind, its infintessimal and as i repeatedly say, if scum is in there we lost already

but sure ill vote you VOTE: gbT

@schadd_

as for my 180 read, someone pointed out two reads of -grey- i had on d1 -- strong townlean to maybescum. i figured that was it. if it wasnt that one but the later one -- well! i townread scum, and i am not alone, more than one townie townread -grey-. mistakes happen, town doesn't know everything jfc. i have explained that one numerous times, i did not want to deal with -grey- flipping out on me again and i got too used to ignoring alignment on his posts. if you need more explanation, i have nothing. throw the game on that one mistake tho, definitely.

and on gbT, honestly, i made a bunch of arguments against that slot d3, if youd like ill bring them back. or yknow you could check my ISO since people are already doing that anyway? i dont get where you get this idea that i have somehow failed to critique gbT's slot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cass, hugs.

How would you feel if I lynched you today?

[cassielle]

itd be the end of the game with a scumwin. id jump up and down screeching at you if you dropped a vote on my slot.

[schadd_]

i don't think we'd be able to tell if you were jumping up or jumping down

[cassielle]

ill subtitle it

[RadiantCowbells]

Schadd, are you done your write up

[schadd_]

if i am i'm not posting it for another while

[schadd_]

are you in a hurry to end the game?

[RadiantCowbells]

Kinda, yes. GbT has been way more convincing today than Cass and I get the feeling that Cass has just given up.

I find that when day phases get too long I end up second guessing decisions that seemed obvious at one time and losing games because of it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also twice independently came to the conclusion that Cass was obvscum and wavered on GbT a lot druid the game and I have GbT meta confirming she's a meh scum player but I don't know how good Cass is.

So at least one scum played extremely well this game and I don't have any reason to believe that GbT suddenly stepped up her game so that sorta leaves Cass.

[cassielle]

today ive barely been awake/available lol

i just a while ago got done with my big thing for the day, im here and ready to go. you just havent asked me a whole hell of a lot so i have no direction to reach for

i havent given up, i just dont know what to say because you havent told me what you want from me

p-edit: and that's a losing conclusion if you havent given me that chance to play well today yet

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, assuming that you're town, we don't know what we want from you. We want the smoking gun explanation of why GbT and Grey were scumbuddies based on things that they did during the game.

As it stands GbT and you are both pretty towny on gut so both did a great job there but there's some major inconsistencies around your Grey read on D1 and just in general and your reaction to the Grey vote reminds me of several times I've voted my partners.

[schadd_]

why would we want to give you direction?

[schadd_]

ninjad

[RadiantCowbells]

We would give her direction because if she's town we want to give her the best possible chance of convincing us of that.

[schadd_]

well yes but if she's scum we want to give her the best possible chance of fubbling around

[cassielle]

ok, straight up

my reaction to -grey- was not the vote. it was the attitude, the mood, i felt like i was being personally attacked (even though i wasnt) and i wasnt in a great headspace to deal with it to begin with.

and my reads with -grey- are just as inconsistent as my reads with ... lets see. gbT and schadd_! who i attacked harder and got less pushback from, but im gonna let that go. that, above, that's a poor argument against my slot.

p-edit: schadd_, yeah, but if gbT's scum you throw the game doing that

[RadiantCowbells]

Ehh. I'd rather give everyone the best possible chance of convincing me than make it as difficult as possible for everyone because it levels the playing field and makes 'skill' less important in looking town. Worse player =\= scum.

and my reads with -grey- are just as inconsistent as my reads with ... lets see. gbT and schadd_! who i attacked harder and got less pushback from, but im gonna let that go. that, above, that's a poor argument against my slot.

Well why were your reads all over the place if you think that they were that inconsistent

[cassielle]

because i was floundering for good reads. everyone was floundering for good reads d1. if anyone says d1 was AI enough you could have pinpointed -grey- based on it alone, theyre full of it. my read changes slowed down d2. i had to change mine d3 where others did not, but that was because i townread scum, that would happen to anyone regardless of alignment in the same situation

[cassielle]

in fact, if you could have pinpointed any standout except TB d1, you are a FAR better player than i

[schadd_]

because i was floundering for good reads. everyone was floundering for good reads d1.

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i had grey in nullscum, and our two possible scum candidates in nullscum and null

[cassielle]

then youre a better player than me. i submit before your ultimate scumhunting authority.

point is most people couldnt do that, and the record of d1 bears this out. twice we locked in scumreads that were (in hindsight) provably wrong and locked in the townblock based on them. i dont think that waffly reads are wrong in that situation.

[schadd_]

i submit before your ultimate scumhunting authority.

uhm. suffice to say, i don't think you want to do that. but we'll see