Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes it does but I was wondering how you'd react to your supposed 1v1 being cleared.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean when I'm comfortable with a lynch I'm fine giving Schadd hammer. I don't understand why you are in a rush to hammertest here?

[RadiantCowbells]

if that's enough to clear cassie it's enough to clear me :/

plus either of us could have logged in without showing if we're online or not so i don't think it's relevant

You were online between then and now, whereas Cassie wasn't. And yeah that's another way but that's not the point. Your answer was pretty null at any rate.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh shit you actually weren't. Man that was actually a really terrible reaction test.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah I actually do not want to draw this game out for days if Schadd's scum. I'm down to hammertest him so that I know I'm not wasting my time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I cannot see a sequence of events that would result in me voting Schadd today.

If you're genuinely not sure I'll hold off though.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Cass

Schadd you should post.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Tbh I was half expecting a quickhammer there.

[RadiantCowbells]

There you go Cass is scum. go nuts. case and shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

I actually feel so much better jesus Schadd's yesterday was so terrible that I had an awful feeling that he was the scumpartner.

[RadiantCowbells]

I still think that GBT is more likely to be scum here.
I can see their D1 as Cass overreacting to a bus vote but there's a whole bunch of weird things in Giga's ISO that don't add up and I just feel like Cass's AtE is genuine.
Like I like on principle the fact that GbT isn't talking about how shitty it'll make them feel if they get mislynched but usually that means that they're not the one that's town.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I don't know and Cass feels in a lot of ways like playing with a less experienced version of Frozen Angel and there was a point where I was positive she was scum. idk.
usually my reads in the early-mid game are dead on and I get distracted from them by worse ones.

[RadiantCowbells]

The rude to end the game before she checks in feels weird. you as an experienced player not figuring out she could have sent in the night action anytime is weird.
The 180 from hey we need to NL to hey let's hurry up and hammertest both of you feels weird. Grey's interactions point to you most as scum especially yesterday.
Grey did jump on the cass wagon at several points but that's kind of null given the whole dichotomy where you're either his partner or on the opposite team.

[RadiantCowbells]

Schadd if at any point you are expecting me to vote Cass you are going to need to do more than.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean literally any PR that's not maf sends in their actions at night. I don't think it's at all a stretch that you would say jeez where the fuck is Aero fine I'll just send this in.
I find it odd that you're denying that you would even think of doing so...?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean for the record I had sent in Aero a request for a fast night before there was even a flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

But yeah I think Schadd has a point here that there's been too much focus on mod activity this game and not enough scumhunting and I feel bad for perpetuating that as an SE.

But like, uh, I've gone over everything else to death and I don't see much else to add.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wonder if there's a dictinct change in your tone after I replace in if you find the prospect of facing me as scum as stressful as you said before.

[RadiantCowbells]

You should contribute something then.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cass isn't here and I don't feel like I'll get any thing further out of talking to GBT at this point.

So yes, if you want to change my current read on GBT!scum then you should do something.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I want you to contribute reasons why you think that Cass is scum over GBT.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay then. I will probably not post much here until you do something significant or Cass starts posting then.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah actually the Cass/Grey associatives are worse than I remember them being.

I don't care Schadd. you can do what you want.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I post 3dg lyrics now?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am seriously considering hammering right now though.

That 180 on the Grey slot is insane.

[RadiantCowbells]

I hate you so much right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a question.

How would you feel if I lynched you today, GBT/Cass?

[RadiantCowbells]

Cass, hugs.

How would you feel if I lynched you today?

[RadiantCowbells]

Schadd, are you done your write up

[RadiantCowbells]

Kinda, yes. GbT has been way more convincing today than Cass and I get the feeling that Cass has just given up.

I find that when day phases get too long I end up second guessing decisions that seemed obvious at one time and losing games because of it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also twice independently came to the conclusion that Cass was obvscum and wavered on GbT a lot druid the game and I have GbT meta confirming she's a meh scum player but I don't know how good Cass is.

So at least one scum played extremely well this game and I don't have any reason to believe that GbT suddenly stepped up her game so that sorta leaves Cass.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, assuming that you're town, we don't know what we want from you. We want the smoking gun explanation of why GbT and Grey were scumbuddies based on things that they did during the game.

As it stands GbT and you are both pretty towny on gut so both did a great job there but there's some major inconsistencies around your Grey read on D1 and just in general and your reaction to the Grey vote reminds me of several times I've voted my partners.

[RadiantCowbells]

We would give her direction because if she's town we want to give her the best possible chance of convincing us of that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ehh. I'd rather give everyone the best possible chance of convincing me than make it as difficult as possible for everyone because it levels the playing field and makes 'skill' less important in looking town. Worse player =\= scum.

and my reads with -grey- are just as inconsistent as my reads with ... lets see. gbT and schadd_! who i attacked harder and got less pushback from, but im gonna let that go. that, above, that's a poor argument against my slot.

Well why were your reads all over the place if you think that they were that inconsistent

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to do something here. Schadd, can you vote Cass? I promise I won't hammer before you post your shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Cassielle

Sorry but this needed done.

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess I'm not QUITE as subtle as I thought I was.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh. I had the idea of using the threat of an immediate hammer to get an immediate gut response to a few things but I decided against it.

[RadiantCowbells]

jfc. welp gg town

gg. you actually did a really good job and I think this could have easily gone the other way.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll wait for a flip before I come to any conclusions.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wanted to make a writeup but I don't know what the flip is going to be so that makes this such a pain in the butt.

[RadiantCowbells]

So I was not the IC in this game but there were several things that I wanted to say.

1) This was actually a fantastically played game by town. Major points to MBG, Creature, and Raskolnikov especially but everyone did well. When I replaced in on the following day most people in the game had the game reduced down to 3 potential scum and me or Grey were in virtually all of the scumpools. Certain people such as Creature had even directly suggested that we were the scumteam. Even outside of that, everyone on town tried really hard to win and Rask was really smart on that track (although I would like to point out for ego points that I said that I should be the one to make that night action.) Reads were overall good and when you get into a situation where you're like wait what everyone seems town, the correct move is to start questioning your assumptions; a lot of people questioned Schadd because I led the Schadd questioning but there doesn't feel like there was a coherent period where the town on Day 3 was like wait a second are we really sure that RC belongs in the townblock. It's also a situation where if EVERYONE seems town you should put the most emphasis on rereading the people in the game most likely to fool you.

2) As a result of the following and how well Cass/GbT played as town and humanized themselves I have felt like total shit about this game since the beginning of day 3. I think it showed in my play when Schadd said that I didn't seem like someone who enjoyed playing scum; I really didn't. I had to work really hard for this win and breaking up all the townblocs on D2 and get a lynch onto one of the most widely townread players took a lot out of me. I really had no energy left for this game in Day 3 or 4 and I think it may have damaged the game because that's why I was spending so much time talking about trivial mod-errory shit that

really doesn't mean anything

. It was just easier than trying to discuss reads on people who were all sort of obvious town and probably could have been able to PoE me out. So I am sorry for doing all this bullshit around the things that Aero did and I hope it didn't damage the enjoyment of the game too much for anyone; but I felt like ignoring it was also the incorrect answer because SOMEONE was bound to use it and that the best way to deal with it was to blatantly misuse it to show people the flaws in that kind of reasoning, which I hope worked.

3) I feel like a lot of people on Day 3 were actually amenable to lynching me, but no one suggested it. Giga was still wary of my slot, I believe (but may be wrong) that Rask seriously FOSed me, and Schadd didn't seem to townread me very much at that point in time, though I found him unreadable. But no one tried to make a move against me. It felt like everyone in this game was just being like 'eh everyone else seems to think he's town there's not much point pushing him here' and that really hurt town this game. I said in thread and I still do that my associatives with the Grey slot are not great. I 180ed the reason for my not voting him because I didn't want to suggest I thought he was doctor and without that it really doesn't make much sense that I wasn't pushing on him ever. I was in principle aware that Creature was the doc because I had already PoEd that no other slot was but I still feel like there were some serious holes in what I did on Day 2 that would have come apart under closer inspection. Basically, there was no reason to write my slot off as confirmed town and/or unlynchable and I say again that I think that town did a fantastic job overall. I think if momentum had swung on me at some point I could have been lynched for the town win. And don't

EVER

let

ANYONE

write off inconsistencies in their play by saying oh if I explain it you'll probably scumread me for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am fine with scum topic being released.

[RadiantCowbells]

And Aero, dead thread?

[RadiantCowbells]

You should've seen UTL's reaction after I, as scum, got her to selfvote so I could defend my other townread who was actually my scumpartner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh I didn't ACTUALLY expect you to selfvote, I just wanted to make it look like I was beyond certain that you were scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't want to quickhammer because Schadd seemed like the kind of person who would speed unvote and try to bait a simultaneous unvote/hammer to confscum me so I led into it gradually and he unvoted.

[RadiantCowbells]

I had actually forgotten about the game where I was hydra'd with frozen angel ftr.

[RadiantCowbells]

Man I knew that Raskol had us both pegged for scum. You should have really held onto that.

I think other people were seriously considering it too it's just that no one wanted to bring it up.