Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Persivul]

I am onto something Grey. I got a strong "Cop" vibe from Empking so I left him alone yesterday, but now hes a quality player who skated by all of D1 and did nothing to try to dismantle the "Fate wagon that had bad vibes" etc.

What's the difference between a cop vibe and a gunsmith vibe?

The last post is in hindsight. This was the issue in real time. Fate said he had strong cop vibes from empking, but the cop flip ruled that possibility out, so he's now suspicious of empking. The problem with that is that

the setup has two investigatives

. Hence my question, which was never answered. This looked like scum who had devised an excuse for a vote, then when a problem came up with the excuse, was dodging it.

[Fate]

Town might take two seconds to consider WHY I would say cop vibes and not gs and maybe backof
scum push any opportunity for a lynch, and you were chomping at the bit for my lynch oVer Empking

Persivul hangs

[Persivul]

Town might take two seconds to consider WHY I would say cop vibes and not gs and maybe backof

They might, but after the other things, which you admit were terrible, they might not. Your play was aggressive and slipshod, but you weren't concerned because you knew you had a claim in your back pocket if needed. I get that you might play that way as a PR, but don't blame others for scum reading you for play which you admit was bad.

[Fate]

bad play doesn't equal scum

I'm holding you accountable for that push

[Persivul]

bad play doesn't equal scum

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Either way, it usually results in votes.

I'm holding you accountable for that push

molla and Realeo were voting you well before I was, and shadonra came on after me. But, I'm responsible?

[Fate]

You can make excuses or you can show me the scum on my wagon or give your account of yesterday

Right now you're just being defensive

[Reflektor]

I disagree entirely with the case on Persivul. I think it's bullshit. I'm okay going with his lynch just out of PoE (Most likely partners with Gamma) but even if he flips scum I think the reasoning being thrown out is awful, ex. He clearly

did

think through why Fate would say that, and came to the wrong conclusion.

For everyone else I have a challenge: Read Gamma's posts and pinpoint a single one as being town.

-Prism

[Reflektor]

I can't even remember the last time I defended a null read, I much prefer to just ride it out and get my own conclusion. This has just been a garbage fest.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't even remember the last time I defended a null read, I much prefer to just ride it out and get my own conclusion. This has just been a garbage fest.

This has to do with...?

[Fate]

Persivul needs a gun to the face

Gamma is for rope

[Gamma Emerald]

You are aware that if Persivul is shot with the gun you gave, the day ends, right?

[Reflektor]

My own frustration with the past few pages and the seeming incapability of anyone to do an eyetest and notice you exist.

Like there Gamma is quoting that and asking "Why?" when it's

incredibly obvious why

, not even caring to think about it or addressing the bigger piece of content I just gave. Even if Persivul winds up flipping scum, I'm still going to stand by this.

-Prism

[Reflektor]

Persivul needs a gun to the face

Gamma is for rope

If you can sell me on why Persivul is scum sure. Right now you're just asking me to buy a 1 way ticket to slightly-better-than coinflip land and saying "Oh yeah Gamma can wait" even though he's the most likely roleblocker by a mile, just for sheer force of fact that he's most likely to be the mafia.

If it's all 3 of Shadon/Persivul/BBMolla then I can eat crow, but right now that's looking really unlikely. Both of the games I played with Gamma he was an easy townread because his thought processes were obvious and tangible. I have never felt like this has been the case this game, even with his flurry of activity earlier in the day.

-Prism

[Gamma Emerald]

Really? I remember you scumreading me for part of Evoker.

[Fate]

ah... I forgot that

well my gun was fucking useless then?

[Fate]

Except empowering town to shoot the roleblocker instead of us clownfucking around.

Well..


Gamma then. Persivul I just have personal quibbles with


I want other reads from you besides Gamma though, Reflektor

[Reflektor]

Gamma has gotten a lot more town ever since our interaction like 20 pages back where he went through and read the game giving his stream of consciousness.

Town bucket: Batoru, Sondam, Gamma

I really hate these top two wagons [One of which was Gamma]

Gamma also know why I scumread him early on in Evoker, which was that I thought he was lying about meta with me.

[Reflektor]

I want other reads from you besides Gamma though, Reflektor

Working on it but 3 games is a lot to juggle and this is one of my busier weeks. I know I need to pick 2 in Shadon/Molla/Persivul but right now I'm down time and a Nacho so I'm just going for the low hanging fruit.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fate, before you have me shot can you elaborate on your scumread of me?

[Fate]

I explained it yesterday when you were doing your very underwhelming catch-up post that didn't take hard stances at all.

Then you voted me over Empkng, which I STILL am having a hard time conceiving a townie could do given our respective contributions to the game

I do wish I had watied longer but I was juggling too much

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you were scum with Empking, from looking at your posting relating to him d1.

[Fate]

so... you voted me...

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I felt you needed to be lynched since it was YOUR words I found indicative of the pairing.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Molla

Slight preference for Empking

THIS is what pinged me, and I'm fairly certain I noted it earlier. I kept the conclusion to myself so if Fate was mafia he couldn't dodge me before I had the whole picture.

[Fate]

meh, more likely story is that you got pigned because you knew that Empking was scum and you could draw connections between us huh

but since the wagon on me could've gone through over empking you voted that one