Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[Frozen Angel]

A weak vanillcop that I protected died visiting you

Just stop talking k?

[Frozen Angel]

@MOD you can't say "No comment" when I ask you how many shots of my ability is left

This is a normal game - not a bastard one - no get back to your inbox and tell me how many shots of my ability is left in a clear not questionable manner.

I don't care what do you think RC

[Frozen Angel]

Fuck no now that I know you're scum for sure I am going to be the biggest pain in the ass that you've ever experienced. You left me alive to play this 1v1 let's play this 1v1!

This 1v1 means others need to decide between us -

I don't need to think about this anymore and I don't feel I like to talk with a confscum - spescially when it's you - after my concerns about the shots I have is gone

sorry

[Frozen Angel]

You claim that when you were designing a normal setup they forced you to do it the opposite way. Cite the game or I am going to consider it a scumclaim.

I calimed I remember in my normal game, cephir asked that. I only modded one normal game and you perfectly know about what game I'm talking about so just - stop whatever you're trying to do k?

Your voting me cause I was confscum to you in last page and your trying to justify that with more confscum crap in this one? Give it a break RC

[Frozen Angel]

So either you're claiming that someone in the NRG fucked up your setup or you are claiming scum.

Thats what I remember from my symphonic metal mafia review. Yushi said "no comment" yesterday to me - I'm asking him today how many shots I have atm and he is still saying "No comment"

Just fucking shut up till I make this mod talk

[Frozen Angel]

FA, if you are a 1-shot and you targeted -Grey- overnight, why would there be any question as to how many shots you are left with? Very fishy.

Cause I'm sure The shots was refunded in my normal review game

Cephir was the one who said That I guess...

I just want to make sure my shot was not refunded

[Frozen Angel]

FA BRAZENLY lied about how roleblocks interacts with shots and is now claiming that the mod, WHO ISN'T EVEN FUCKING ONLINE, is refusing to tell her how many shots that she has.

That is so fucking bullshit that I can't even express how much fucking bullshit it is.

SHUT THE FUK UP RC ok?

You're making me angry - the way I shouldn't be in a mafia game you know that yes?

MOD JUST PM'ED me like 10 min ago whne I first posted in thread - I asked him that question and He answered me Now practically fuck off

[Frozen Angel]

IDK FA cuz to me this seems like a brilliant way for you to get a lynch on me and then turn around and say OH SHIT I DIDNT KNOW HOW NORMAL ROLEBLOCKER INTERACTION WORKED.

I don't fucking need to fake no shit to get a lynch on scum you. I know how a role blocker works - I'm questioning if its normal to refund shots or not.

pedit : if my shot is refunded Its confirmed that I was roleblocked.

which I doubt thats the case ^

Rc is just fucking scum and that was a no kill gambit

[Frozen Angel]

The only situation I can think of under which the mod would have told her 'no comment' is if she doesn't have a 1-shot ability and tried to ask him what would happen IF she did.

Oh and I wouldn't claim a made up result in that case in thread because I suck in this game as scum I guess

[Frozen Angel]

Um no. Yesterday it was agreed that it was 1v1 today. Work your shit out.

Thats why a "No comment" in a normal game to a simple clear question about my role from mod is FUCKING STUPIDLY ANNOYING

[Frozen Angel]

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pedit : if my shot is refunded Its confirmed that I was roleblocked.

So now we have you on record saying this with certainty.

Yes its fucking obvious that if my shot is refunded then I was roleblocked. How that was news to you?

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm not trying to

I am waiting fro his clear response to clear this fucking mess up

[Frozen Angel]

Alright my mind is made up. If she has fucked up her role to this extent and deigns to claim a guilty on me then she needs to die.

#fucked up her role

like I am actually doing the role stop by hand and I put something somewhere wrong ...



Yushi said "no comment" yesterday. I need to know how many shots I have today from his mouth - end of story

can you link mafiawiki ? where its clarifying this?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

@mod I still need that confirmation mod.

[Frozen Angel]

You know whats actually funny?

RC is actually right. Cephir said that I shouldn't refund shots and I said sure

Then I modded that game thinking I should refund shots in a normal game - Jesus fucking christ

[Frozen Angel]

I was in rush for chnaging setup to not loose my place in queue and I missed his negative emphasize there ...

[Frozen Angel]

@MOOOOOOOOOOOOD

why are you ignoring my messages

[Frozen Angel]

yeah and mod answer shouldn't be "no comment" to that as well

[Frozen Angel]

Alright FA. One time only. I am willing to offer you a truce until the end of the day. I won't try to lynch you if you don't try to lynch me. All bets off tomorrow. Take it or leave it.

a weak vanilla cop visited you and is now dead

a weak vanilla cop who I protected from bullets

Give me a good reason for making an offer like that with you

[Frozen Angel]

Me and grey by planning this, forced scum to take a no kill gambit cause a secondary kill would practically confirm RC as scum.

Eiether that happened or I was blocked which is highly improbable given the restrictions on town power roles and ascetic claim.

Tell me where I'm wrong in these calculations and I will unvote you.

[Frozen Angel]

Yushi confirmed that I don't have any more shots.

[Frozen Angel]

FA. If you are what you claim to be we have a Protect the Cop setup where scum can't even land effects on the aforementioned weak cop.
Reminder that contrary to its name Weak badly INCREASES the strength of the role, rather than decreasing it.
I would be shocked and appalled if there were not a roleblocker because I can't see how the setup can be balanced without one, especially if after one failed kill on the cop they didn't realize that the protection would be limited shots. They have a way around you two if you are town.

I am "one shot" who can make people ascietic

He was a weak cop - who would die by targeting scum and couldn't claim to arrange that with me before me claiming it

there are miller and ascietic claims.

The game is perfectly balanced without one.

[Frozen Angel]

If you are actually town who got roleblocked then both of us being lynched means town goes to LyLo without any of its strong or obvtown players still alive.
If you are actually scum then I can deal with you later when I've seen some flips and have more information.

I do not want to force this 1v1 where both of us are bound to get lynched at this point in the game and neither should you.

I like this matter resolved today.

pedit : stop blaming me for pushing you after a guilty cause "I could have been roleblocked". what do you think about Gamma?

[Frozen Angel]

what do you think about Gamma?

was that a hard question for you?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: FA

Fine let's resolve it today.

In half of your theories for resolving it tomorrow - you had me as town.

what just happened to that?

[Frozen Angel]

But I like you - why are you doing this to my emotions

what do you think about Gamma?

was that a hard question for you?

I want an answer for this please

[Frozen Angel]

It's actually quite simple FA.

I'm going to assume that you're town for the purposes of this exercise, because otherwise it's academic.
You got a Rolestopper, which is first and foremost a doctor, in the first game following my return to mafia.

The first thing I would expect you to do is think wow, I have a doctor and RC is the biggest bullet magnet on the entire site. Maybe I'll try to work with him and see if we can do something!

NO, that's not what you did. What you did was use your doc/rolestop shot on someone who had piss poor reads, derailed my lynches, and on top of that you put the game into a situation where under most circumstances the obvious scum play would be to nightkill me because OBVIOUSLY I haven't been shot night one enough games that it's a great idea to make it happen again.
On top of that, I had multiple wagons that I would be happy to see lynched but you worked WITH the idiotic day 1 weak cop claiming Grey to subvert my lynches and lynch someone that I thought was lynchbaity. Oh, and I ended up having to lie about my reads because otherwise I was just going to get lynched for nothing. Now after both of you clowns fucked up day 1 and put me into a situation where the best case scenario was me getting NKed, again, you UTTERLY fucked up your role claim and tried to set up a false dichotomy where if I didn't double check your claims about shots the probable situation was both of us getting lynched in consecution.

So now I fixed your claim and you are STILL TRYING TO PUSH A 1V1 with me.

If you wanted me to give a shit about working with you, don't play this game like you did.

First you know why thats retarded

1. My role would make you ascietic and your the only fucking player in game who definietly needs to get investigated IN every single game without exception
2. Your saying I should have left alone grey a weak vanilla cop claimer after his claim to protect the one he was trying to investigate ... FFS ?!
3. Your not getting night kill ever, You will be lynched today and I'm the one who will die with your scum flip
4. You didn't say SAJ was lynchbaity. You said I made SAJ as a counterwagon - then corrected yourself saying You scumread SAJ and then you voted SAJ
5. My role was practically antitown if it was kept to myself. I did a very good job claiming it day 1 and I'm totally happy about it imo.
6. You are proposing a theory which is highly unlikly in my opinion. and no I'm proposing a 1 v 0 here (that I push you and you die)
7. I want to work with you if your town. You just need to resolve my concerns. and stop trying to manipulate my emotions. I'm really getting sick of this atm and I hate this game and I hate you for doing this to me. So don't do this to me please

[Frozen Angel]

3. Your not getting night kill ever, You will be lynched today and I'm the one who will die with your scum flip

Alright we're done here.

No you are going to read the rest of that fucking post RC

[Frozen Angel]

Like nothing about you match up but I will hate you if I see you flip red after this game.

What the crap are you doing to me? you invited me to this game to suffer from your nonsense ate? like I hadn't enough already in past 2 months ?

[Frozen Angel]

What's with Alisae's sudden obsession with lining up a Gamma lynch? Where did the FoSes on Gamma come from?

What is your read on Gamma

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

will you tell on who so I can deal with my sanity?

[Frozen Angel]

and how that makes RC town?

some one else targeted Grey?

[Frozen Angel]

No, because I am obvious town.

No anotora

no aliese

why screen play without him saying that guilty is on who? Like what ..........

[Frozen Angel]

Your making my brain burn ....

[Frozen Angel]

This makes me kinda want to question how you jumped to the conclusion that someone else targeted grey when I haven't even said what type of power role I am.

Thats the only fucking way which makes sense for you to think RC is town

[Frozen Angel]

This makes me kinda want to question how you jumped to the conclusion that someone else targeted grey when I haven't even said what type of power role I am.

Thats the only fucking way which makes sense for you to think RC is town

No it's quite obvious I town read rc before so you can't use that excuse.

But you literally just said to me someone else targeted grey. So instead of assuming i'm a cop because of the miller claim you knew straight away that I wasn't a cop role and said someone else targeted rc.

You said in last page that you believe RC is town for the first time in day 2

and no no one else should have been able to target grey last night beside me - Thats the fucking default and that what makes RC very likly scum

You saying you think RC is town and that you have a conf guilty means you have a result saying grey last night check was fucked with

[Frozen Angel]

That aperently I was wrong about that

so RC is scum as well

[Frozen Angel]

Pep wagon happened as a counter to anotora and anotora was on him for most of day 1 -that means ano is likely town.

pedit : fucking crap

This game is BUllshit

I really was roleblocked

[Frozen Angel]

Why my protection is one shot and there is a roleblocker in this

This makes no sense

[Frozen Angel]

Hey, I've seen a traitor encrypter enabler who didn't know who their scumbuddies were + SK + 2 other scum.

Hey this is a normal game

it will be reviewed for "Balance"

[Frozen Angel]

Grey was a weak cop who was targeting RC last night. I rolestopped Grey but Grey died.

The fact you didn't see me on grey means that I was roleblocked and RC is inno

[Frozen Angel]

that makes me suspicioun of panther he was the first one who even mentioned a roleblock possibility in day 1

[Frozen Angel]

that makes me suspicioun of panther he was the first one who even mentioned a roleblock possibility in day 1

Yeah because when a bunch of ridiculous townies start massclaiming their power roles and it adds up to an absurd amount of power everyone's first thought is that scum has no PRs.

Not when the protective is one shot and the investigative was weak and there is a miller and ascetic claim

[Frozen Angel]

The current claims are not matching up AT all

[Frozen Angel]

Aliese why did you claim VT again during day 1?

[Frozen Angel]

Because everyone was claiming and I'm retarded?

Everyone had a reason to do so

You had none

[Frozen Angel]

Just passing through pep iso to see if I can find anything

for now I'm just quoting whatever I see

Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.

I agree with this statement 100%.
Mostly because I know em.

You say I'm a noob too?

That's why I don't like playing with ya

Don't throw shade at me!
I wanna work with you!
Hell, you get benefits from it too!

I would work with you if you admit I'm your superior...you have wounded my heart enough

Now, please don't go to far in my private space

I don't think you are anything close to townleader if that's what you mean.

I am your leader

[Frozen Angel]

Pep and ano barely talked

[Frozen Angel]

Garmr makes some really nice points here. A common thing I see is the Ano seems to be trying to hard to be involved. His posts seems kinda forced at times, also he took more time on the stupid milner ccs then needed, even tho it is widely expected that it was just some RVS messing combined with other reasons. Props to getting Screenplay into the scene, since lurkers are quite dangerous, but still this doesn't ignore my last point. I might be repeating what others have said but this is the thing that mostly stuck out in his posts and other people's cases on him

he started questioning ano after grey jump but didn't vote

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler:

Here's the sum up of what I think of all the active players so far, not that anyone asked.

-Grey-

+ Consistently good reasons for his votes, except obviously #94 is weird from my own perspective
+ Consistent tone
+ Independent of others

Alisae

+ Points out inconsistencies in others' play
? Wagoning the lurker
- Contribution is limited beyond "I like you", "I don't like you".

Firebringer

+ Believeable miller claim
? Non-substantial activity except for a few reads until the spat with Frozen Angel

Frozen Angel

+ Asks the right questions to move discussion forward

Garmr

- Only started building his strawmannish tunnel case on me after I pressured him at #128
+ Consistent productive activity

Obvious Alt

+ Good gut read from her single post
? Inactive

Pepchoninga

- Lots of non-substantial activity
- Says that he has a good read on -Grey- in #254, suspects -Grey- of a scumslip in #257, "it was a joke" in #262
- Acts extremely noncommittal and tries not to get in the thick of discussion. Has repeatedly expressed he wants a long day. #268 is abysmally bad.
- In #279 he postures noncommittally so as to maybe get on my wagon in the future. I think if he were town he would have straight up voted me instead of keeping the joke vote he's had on Srceenplay since page 3. Speaking of his srceenplay vote, he hasn't said a single word about it since that wagon turned serious. Suspicious.

RadiantCowbells
+ Independent of others
+ Productive activity

Srceenplay
- Lurking with non-substantial activity
- Does nothing when called out on this
- Sheeps onto wagons


I didn't realize how strong of a read I would get going through Pepchoninga's ISO, but now I find him real scummy. I think his strategy is to wait for a wagon that has a solid chance of resulting in a lynch. In the meantime, he talks a lot but really says nothing.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

Good post, with actual opinion. That's a first. I am active but I'm not really going ham for reasons already explained. I would like to wait for everybody to post there first posts, so I can get my reads up. You can't start a disscussion when there are people who haven't even gotten into the game. We have 2 weeks to form opinion and to execute our game plans. Why should I rush something like that? You know if I was scum I would I want long days? I might be newish, but I'm not stupid. I want to prevent fast and unnecessary wagons until we have everybody up and running. I am getting into discussions and provoking reactions. Please reread the situation of Grey, since if you take anything in those posts seriously I think you need a doctor. As I said, if I was serious for a second about the Grey slip I would've started making a case on him and ultimately going for a lynch. In the light of that I don't see how this argument is valid. Why is post #268 so bad? And no, I won't vote you for something so little. What you did is gave you a slight scum read but this doesn't mean I would lynch you. When I see a target I am sure about you will see me attacking with full strength. I belive that lynching people is not always a good thing. It is a way of pressuring and a way of starting/continuing/finishing the action of killing. But it's also a tool that if placed wrong could get you lynched without doing anything. I belive we should deduce what people do and have discussions about it and then starting to throw pressure lynches and straight up wagon lynches. My vote on Screenplay was a RVS vote and I also have commented on the Screenplay situation.

While I say your post is good, you really don't give much on the other players exect pluses and minuses. Why would you even bother to comment on them if you are gonna point out how active they are.

This is something though :/

[Frozen Angel]

I still think gamma is scum.

[Frozen Angel]

screen is town if pep is scum btw. Too much giggly stuff that can't be fake

[Frozen Angel]

Pep and ano barely talked

What are you smoking

You two expressed opinions about each other but never directly got engaged early game - I'm rereading his iso and that comment was for early game

[Frozen Angel]

screen is town if pep is scum btw. Too much giggly stuff that can't be fake

All game I've tended to agree that they're same-aligned.

I think their not

what made you think they are?

[Frozen Angel]

I could do Mlmooney: but if FA is scum then MLmooney is the one of the trio that is town.

"I'm not scum" but I don't see ML scum the way you guys all are. I suck at sorting lurkers you know that better than anyone.

I like to propose a massclaim now that garmr claimed as well

[Frozen Angel]

You don't get to decide how your posts are read by others, Pep. That's kind of the point of the game.

Yes I do, when you are completely shifting there meaning. This is common tactic of scum. You are shifting my comment so they can apeal to your cause when I've explained multiple times the meaning of that post.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Rolefishers gonna rolefish, lol

I'm not role fishing. But you are trying to make me look bad with ONE quote. You don't have a good case on me and you don't seem in the slightest to be interested in digging up one. Also lets not forget your contradict way of reading the way and not having any real arguments against any of your case. You seem to be trying to look active by making big post where you just say how people look more scummy then you.

UNVOTE: Srceenplay

VOTE: Anotora

actually I think anno is town as well :/ The whole thing around grey push don't feel fake at all

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler:

You don't get to decide how your posts are read by others, Pep. That's kind of the point of the game.

Yes I do, when you are completely shifting there meaning. This is common tactic of scum. You are shifting my comment so they can apeal to your cause when I've explained multiple times the meaning of that post.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Rolefishers gonna rolefish, lol

I'm not role fishing. But you are trying to make me look bad with ONE quote. You don't have a good case on me and you don't seem in the slightest to be interested in digging up one. Also lets not forget your contradict way of reading the way and not having any real arguments against any of your case. You seem to be trying to look active by making big post where you just say how people look more scummy then you.

UNVOTE: Srceenplay

VOTE: Anotora

You've been looking bad this whole game as well.
VOTE: Pep

Yeah sure, I'm always playing bad, and you are always godly.

Give reasons for your vote

Aliese can be scum with pep ^

[Frozen Angel]

pep attacked me when I asked for pushing/lynching Gamma later in game before N1 started as well.

ano quote a post where pap was defending screen and explain how is that scum - scum budding.

[Frozen Angel]

actually pep-anno-gamma seems decent

gamma hasn't claimed completely yet ano? if yes you know that why?

pedit : Fire I am not scum FFS

I am the only person who claimed a protective role, THINK

[Frozen Angel]

Well I kind of think that death clears RC from being scum.
So either scum are framing u or your trying to frame RC.

WTF are you talking about

That death indicates RC scum - but Garmr watched RC and saw pep targeting him so that is ino on RC

I WAS roleblocked.

You don't fucking read no shit and then express your deep opinions about me....

[Frozen Angel]

gamma hasn't claimed completely yet ano? if yes you know that why?

I would imagine there are possible situations where Gamma would only want to claim the ascetic part of his role, leaving some of it out. That's for him to say, though.

why would you think that though?

[Frozen Angel]

What if pep is a strongman

we can't be sure of that before his flip

[Frozen Angel]

oh no you didn't see me

[Frozen Angel]

yeah there is a roleblocker

[Frozen Angel]

What if pep is a strongman

we can't be sure of that before his flip

If your -Grey- target didn't go through, then it doesn't matter whether Pepcho is a strongman or not... Is this a slip?

A strongman can posses bulletproof and since its a killing it must pass asiectic

but its not the case since Garmr successfully watched grey and didn't saw me.

[Frozen Angel]

Let's lynch pepcho.
VOTE: pepcho

If pepcho flips town we lynch RC.

More confidant RC is town than pepcho

Its not as simple as that

I know I was roleblocked so eiather a ninja killed Grey in that case or Garmr-RC are in a scum team since garmr didn't claim the real killer identity to save RC

pedit : me Garmr makes no sense cause we would get RC lynched with grey death without him claiming watcher.

[Frozen Angel]

Supposing Pepcho flips green (and that's a pretty big SUPPOSE) he'll either be vanilla (lynch Garmr because Garmr lied about an investigative result) or a PR that could reasonably have been applied to -Grey- N1 (lynch RC).

I just explained why this logic sucks

...

wtf

[Frozen Angel]

wait ninja was omitted from normal games ?

I'm sure people were talking about it

[Frozen Angel]

yeah garmr is screeming town, and I was roleblocked so RC is town. You are the town you were d1 so

pep: ?!! / anotora:vt / aliese : vt / screenplay : ? / gamma:assicetic / ML : ?

pep/anotoro /gamma and aliese as a reserve <-

I like to flip in ano and gamma so we get the roleblocker which will confirms me as town - more indicated to do see gamma flip

pedit : IF I was scum with a strongman!pep , Pep wouldn't do the kill on grey when no healer would heal him bacause of my claim.

[Frozen Angel]

If pep does actually turn out to be strongman FA needs to be lynched as scum wouldn't of cared if she used her role on grey. They would of killed him anyway and if they did have a roleblock their roleblock would of been better used elsewhere than on fa.

You make sense.

You are budding any theories that is casting shade on other players now. First with Fire and now with Garmr.

[Frozen Angel]

If pep does actually turn out to be strongman FA needs to be lynched as scum wouldn't of cared if she used her role on grey. They would of killed him anyway and if they did have a roleblock their roleblock would of been better used elsewhere than on fa.

You make sense.

yeah garmr is screeming town, and I was roleblocked so RC is town. You are the town you were d1 so

pep: ?!! / anotora:vt / aliese : vt / screenplay : ? / gamma:assicetic / ML : ?

pep/anotoro /gamma and aliese as a reserve <-

I like to flip in ano and gamma so we get the roleblocker which will confirms me as town - more indicated to do see gamma flip

pedit : IF I was scum with a strongman!pep , Pep wouldn't do the kill on grey when no healer would heal him bacause of my claim.

If you are town peps probably not going to flip strongman.

I am town and I am saying even if you assume I am scum he probably won't flip strongman

strongman won't add up with anything cause you casted a watch ability on grey and it was successful.

[Frozen Angel]

That situation is irreverent to my role. Garmr and RC are town cause pep killed grey to frame RC (according to grey)

That means I should have been roleblocked to me and if a rolrblocker flips I will be confirmed.

[Frozen Angel]

according to Garmr*

[Frozen Angel]

Mandy I was screaming for a vig shot to get conf town to make grey check meaningful

You should have targeted me obviously

[Frozen Angel]

BTW I felt your inves since day 1 when you asked if its possible for more people to have same role after grey claim.

Thats why I had mlm as town since then

pedit : thats just naive. you could practically end tones of wifom by targetting me.

[Frozen Angel]

ascetic

^

[Frozen Angel]

I'm busy tonight but for now

VOTE: Gamma

[Frozen Angel]

the first sentence had no relation to the the vote btw

I'm busy tonight so I won't be online anymore.

The reasons behind vote must be obvious

[Frozen Angel]

I am not lynching Gamma today, sorry.

They are scum read the way they reacted to me saying they scum claimed D1

pedit : I don't care RC - I dont care what you see.

You can see a scum role stopper who guessed there is a heavy inves town after miller claim and claimed 1 shot role stopper day 1

but that's fine. I have no intention to argue.

[Frozen Angel]

ascietic is counter point of me. It makes no sense with miller

It is perfect as a godfather for weak cop and it will deflect the alignment cop.

= ascetic is scum

[Frozen Angel]

Even if you are town, I'm not particularly inclined to trust your reads given SAJ was your doing and you tried to shove my lynch down everyone's throats today.

oh fu.k .ff

I'm not responsible for that lynch alone. players including you voted SAJ saying they were scummy.

I was saying they were scummy cause they were.

They did something scummy so they were my best bet for lynching scum - like the way they were for so many other people who actually voted them

I sense no guilt imo

and I never claimed I'm a goddess in this game so you don't bother if your going that direction as well.

[Frozen Angel]

I get that reasoning, but have you considered there could be two ascetics on both alignments to further neuter the insane investigative potential that town has?

2 ascietics , 1 miller , 1 role stopper, 1 cop , 1 weak vanilla cop , 1 watcher = 7 tpr + 1 already flipped vt = 8 town

your saying town started this with 3 vanillas?

[Frozen Angel]

oh I miscalculated :/

6 tpr - 4 vanillas

but still :/

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

fuck it

I need to think - I'm too tired atm bye

[Frozen Angel]

3 vanillas. I am, of course, a 1-shot bulletproof.

:/

[Frozen Angel]

Can someone please tell me why Ano is better lynch than pep?? I am not defending him but I really can't see why it's better right now.

I'm not sure if ano is the better lynch

but the notion of lynching someone out of pep is mainly role blocker huanting cause pep can't be that

[Frozen Angel]

If mafia player can only do one action at night, eliminating one reduces the possible action they can do.

And again. If pep flips scum that's one down and ^. Plus we get a confirmed town out of it.
If he flips town we get two confirmed scum out of it.

Getting a roleblocker would be good but it is not 100% successful. So again why to go with something that gives 100% results?

if he flips town we get 3 people who must be scum together to lie about that or a mafia ninja [ just if the first 2 times I explained this wasn't clear enough ]

and second he was te one who did the kill so he has no ability very likely and I find grey and mandy truthful (at least grey is cleared and that clears RC).

pep must be before lyo lynch anyway - we are not yet there - so its ok to just hunt for other scums atm that more of town is alive. - getting a roleblocker flip will clear me btw so thats so improtant -

[Frozen Angel]

That sounds a little selfish.

You are also going off reads and they can be wrong. In my opinion it doesn't necessarily clear RC.

no Garmr stopped the convesrations about Grey and his check in RC which only makes sense if they are scum together. So Thats an Ino on RC.

Mandy also has an ino on Garmr that means Garmr is town - cause a scum Mandy has no reason to declare ino on another scum

and thats not selfish. We already have a decent town block here - sorting one or two more players is win

[Frozen Angel]

That and the poor aliese vote on ano are my concerns about that wagon.

[Frozen Angel]

The town block is Garmr , RC , Mandy , Fire

and me but they might have concerns about that ^

Gamma is practically the ascetic in counter of the above block so must be scum.

[Frozen Angel]

So you are reading town off role claims, what makes sense to you in a setup?

They make total sense together with the restrictions they have. (and mandy because they were concerned about grey claim day 1 in an obvious manner)

thats why scum has ascietic and the protective role (me) makes my target ascietic and there is a miller

[Frozen Angel]

Have you been wrong about setups yet?

What do you mean? you mean as a player?

I can say that I'm mostly right about stuff

I called the entire starting setup and flavors in an offsite game (which was my fourth game overall or something?). Look at saga frontier or Bloodborne , look at cyberpunk.

I can't remember if I ever said something about setup - that I was wrong about but I'm not confident with that

[Frozen Angel]

I said setups not reads

and you know how busy I was during that game and How many times I apologized for not going forward with your read there >.>

[Frozen Angel]

JK ily even if you're a scumfuck this game.

I am not !

THIS GAME IS RETARDED

and RC I am the only protective role in town - FUCKING SEE that!

[Frozen Angel]

SEE FA! I AM RIGHT WHEN I SAY THAT THIS GAME IS RETARDED!

That I'm in full agreement with you

3 investigatives , miller , ascietic and role stopper and a RC ...

[Frozen Angel]

And a 1-shot bulletproof.

that's not retarded at all

[Frozen Angel]

FA.
Do you think it is possible that the BP claim is fake?

SHUT

WORST QUESTION EVER

[Frozen Angel]

One more question before I'm off.

Why can't mafia kill grey to keep him from scum!RC?

How they knew there is a watcher in this game who will target grey knowing I am role stopping grey?

[Frozen Angel]

One more question before I'm off.

Why can't mafia kill grey to keep him from scum!RC?

How they knew there is a watcher in this game who will target grey knowing I am role stopping grey?

Because they said so

So your saying Garmr is scum who faked watch on grey to save RC and Mandy is scum who is faking an Ino?

Yes I think thats still a possibility that I'm sure I covered before. But its highly unlikly so no

[Frozen Angel]

Is this a theater?

My gut started screaming .............

[Frozen Angel]

Unlikely but not proven false. So with one lynch it can be proven. It is amazing that you are ok with assuming but not proven

What do you mean?

you say we should lynch pep so with his red flip all 3 are conftown?

[Frozen Angel]

@MOD you can't say "No comment" when I ask you how many shots of my ability is left

This is a normal game - not a bastard one - no get back to your inbox and tell me how many shots of my ability is left in a clear not questionable manner.

I don't care what do you think RC

Um, did we just catch scum here?
The only reason I see for the mod to be unclear is if she lied about the role. In fact it's pretty much the norm that shots are used even if the ability fails, so this feels like posturing.
VOTE: Frozen Angel

[Frozen Angel]

can we get a gamma?

VOTE: Gamma

[Frozen Angel]

Garmr can't be scum unless with RC and Mandy

why instead of focusing on making a nearlly conftown player more conftown, your not focusing on scumhunting?

[Frozen Angel]

can we get a gamma?

VOTE: Gamma

why is that better than pepcho?

Go fucking read the pages you missed .....

FFS

[Frozen Angel]

You did this like 10 times in this game - to appear and make an assumption based on air.

I have the full right to be pissed off

[Frozen Angel]

thats fucking bullshit.
its like you want me to fight you.

You read nothing and come and ask the questions that are already answered ten thousend times.

I have no intention to even start a conversation with you till you actually read the game your playing so no I don't wanna fight with you

I need to leave the pc anyway so goodbye

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen i read the game, I was on a road trip so i was very behind last several days. I think you are being a huge jerk. I too intend not to have a fight with you, but you coming at me acting like I am not playing is low.

I am ignoring u for rest of the game though, because regardless of alignment everytime i try to strike a conversation with you, it angers me.

I understand your previous VLA

I am not a jerk - not even a slightest. I answered your questions like 4 times and I'm sure you were online and commenting in one of them and you come in and ask it again anyway. So no

I'm not going to answer that crap. Your going to read the game your playing and Thats not me being jerk

[Frozen Angel]

actually the more she says that pepcho is a bad lynch the more I think a Frozen lynch might not be terrible.

and the more you says the crap like this you are showing everyone the level of your game awareness.

[Frozen Angel]

@FA

can we get a gamma?

VOTE: Gamma

Fill in the blank: Gamma, Pep, _______ are a scum team.

I did that like 3 pages ago and I don't have a more solid answer.

[Frozen Angel]

actually the more she says that pepcho is a bad lynch the more I think a Frozen lynch might not be terrible.

and the more you says the crap like this you are showing everyone the level of your game awareness.

^BTW to avoid confusion

the crap he was saying was that I'm against pep lynch

I said pep can die tomorrow when we have a scum team/roleblocker to get and pep flip won't give us that. Pep lynch won't add any information here while if we manage to get that roleblocker I will be conftown as well. I'm saying there is no point in making Garr more obvtown.

so yeah. I don't give a fuck about your anger FB. You can stop signing up in the games I'm playing if my pressence is hurting you and again I'm not a jerk who is asking you to actually read the fucking game before repeatedly making absurd comments.

sorry if I hurt your feelings

I'm not that perfect person you imagined. I actually suck when it comes to manner and personality. Is this discussion over?

[Frozen Angel]

ano is at L1 isn't it?

where is panther?

where is pep?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah the fake show ^

I have trouble judging it but it makes me more comfortable saying at least one of you two is scum

[Frozen Angel]

aah its Pep , Gamma , someone ...

RC why its anotora?

[Frozen Angel]

>.>

is your whole reasoning a bunch of crap nonsense accusations about how can I be scum with pep? Yes I can be scum with pep as much as you can be or anyone else who is not in that townblock. I was rolebloked but you have no reason to believe me.

so yeah Yay

I understand the functionality of my role. what I was doubting was based on something I was assuming was normal - but wasn't. I dont understand the setup of game I predicted it. I practically predicted this inves mess when fire claimed miller. I Got ml's cop softs. I understood grey is town because his role was a perfect match for me.

And if you can't see all that then you need to think more ^

I'm not just a player. I know practically all the roles which were used in past 4 years on mafia scum. I am the designer of DotA mafia (its a moba open setup). Trust me I know how to make a setup and how to deduce one. Now thats out of my system Thats not related to my knowledge about "if refunding shots is normal".

Pep lynch won't give any more information. He is already flipped red! The only way for him being town is that there is someone else which is ninja (cause mandy - RC - Grey are not scum together - I bet my whole mafia career in this) So either way the best thing we can do is to get the scums out of pep - as we are NOT in danger of lylo and WE already have a decent town block

[Frozen Angel]

So break down the town for me. Right now you have got two scum, right? Pep and gamma. So one left? The odds of finding the last vs ml?

ehem

I am voting Gamma ...

and Your argument is ehhh. That's what we do in every single mafia game - finding sum eventhough the odds are against it.

[Frozen Angel]

So break down the town for me. Right now you have got two scum, right? Pep and gamma. So one left? The odds of finding the last vs ml?

This is only my 3rd game on here. Only mafia I play is on Starcraft 2. The only time I can think of not getting a confirmed mafia is when we are following a lead on a higher value target( some other neutral killing).
With that said I'm willing to learn, but I still fell my course of action is not wrong.

Lynching a confscum is not wrong

but we know what we are up against and what chances we have :

- Pep is confscum
- we have exactly 2 chances for mislynch beside lynching pep and nothing will change that / unless if a vig mishot which I suppose we don't have any vigs in this
- Pep has no power role (very likely) as they did the kill. We need to Get the roleblocker which makes me conftown and will remove the only standing thing to further investigations.

[Frozen Angel]

I was thinking that the fake hammer could be a scum playing us ordeal

Aliese or anotora (or both) ?

[Frozen Angel]

Gamma is scum because of his role claim? His role doesn't work with FA role?

ascietic is partially in my role

its practically a counter to fire's miller claim

knowing all investigatives are limited - a miller / rolestopper is enough

It will act like a godfather against weak vanilla cop

It will defelect the watch or cop checks

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Gamma


If he is scum it puts you towards a confirm town?
If he is town does this confirm you as scum?

Ok what the fuck is this, why are you pushing a delima here?

[Frozen Angel]

Don't vote Gamma.

You guys should know better than to derail one of my wagons after yesterday.

why anotora is scum over aliese

[Frozen Angel]

What do you mean. You are saying he is scum because you are not, right. So a Gamma vote clears that up?

Yes if gamma flips red I'm Very Very very more likely town to you all

and if gamma flips green you all should be more paranoid about me.

But its not a 1 v 1. I made my argument why their role makes no sense as town in setup so I'm pretty confident they will flip red. If you don't agree with me make your case. You can't use preflip stuff to enforce a delimma

[Frozen Angel]

i don't feel in the mood for this game.

[Frozen Angel]

why anotora and not aliese

[Frozen Angel]

I'm determined to make sure a scum will die today hopefully the roleblocker one

You will get tired from me eventually if not already and I am a great mislynch bait in this crap atm and we only have 2 chances to be wrong before lylo

[Frozen Angel]

I know that

and I know if we don't hit the roleblocker today there is a great chance I'm the lynch after that

[Frozen Angel]

but guyz, I think Anotora is town.
I completely buy her reaction to the fakehammer.

>.>

[Frozen Angel]

Wait am I being retarded?
What about her reaction to the fake hammer seems scummy?

Its not that

The whole fakehammer felt so forced from you.

Her reaction to fakehammer is NAI at best and I have no idea what should I make of you :/

[Frozen Angel]

It matters cause there is a L1 wagon there that is pushed with all the townblock and I need to solve the blank in my scum team theory regardless

[Frozen Angel]

he has the motivations though

arguing against a lynch on town and distancing from it is what scums like to do.

and if your his buddy by any chance his motiv is obvious

[Frozen Angel]

neither.

I am expressing my feelings that that reaction test wasn't a real one.

[Frozen Angel]

It matters cause there is a L1 wagon there that is pushed with all the townblock and I need to solve the blank in my scum team theory regardless

I asked you if you felt comfortable with the Ano wagon and you said Gamma on it looked funny.
Then Gamma jumped off onto you.

Did we already get a claim from Ano D1, I don't remember?

I am not voting ano

I'm trying to decide if thats a good idea or not

what is too hard to comprehend about it?

[Frozen Angel]

So what, the only townish thing for him to do would hace been to shut up about me/keep trying to lynch me? That doesn't sound right.

>.>

I never said a town wouldn't reaction test or try to fake hammer. I said that one felt fake.

Like I have no idea what are you arguing about?

[Frozen Angel]

Unfourtunatly that logic is faulty Mandy

[Frozen Angel]

^Mandy gets it.

I'll have a readlist today.

If your town why your not trying to find a scum with pep and defend your wagon?

[Frozen Angel]

Where is Panther

[Frozen Angel]

To distance himself from a falling down mislynch which was pulled by a bunch of nearly conftown people

[Frozen Angel]

The people who know my aggressive defensive playstyle are in this game, even if you wanted to throw shade you couldn't period

[Frozen Angel]

ok

[vote]Frozen[/frozen]

I asked for a vig last night. why there is no vig when its needed?

and that was my fucking concern about this setup but hey you already have 3 inves. My protection is limited as well. I didn't lie but I know why my flip matters so go with it

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen

[Frozen Angel]

after me lynch gamma and pep

The last one must be in aliese / anotora leaning on aliese actually

[Frozen Angel]

No one asked you.

My death will prove there is a roleblocker in this game and will show gamma shit

it will clear the town from wifom

and will end my fucking pain

[Frozen Angel]

Its the most logical lynch

its sad that its on me - but understandable.

pedit : Pep is conf scum. his flip won't tell no shit. town needs a role blocker flip or my flip to confirm my theory

[Frozen Angel]

See mandy you should have checked me ^

anyway I'm going back to work on my new setup, good bye

[Frozen Angel]

Fire - sorry I annoyed you; Today my migraine was literally killing me even with painkiller and I've been a bitch to so many people. I didn't mean to be a jerk like that, I just lost control after you asked a repeated question, and I'm sorry.

[Frozen Angel]

Still say it's easier to flip Pep and confirm you and your theory.

I will be dead tomorrow. I'm confirmed town by a cop. so pep is basically dead anytime I might as well use my last hoo ray to lynch the obscure scum.

I'm not scum

but k

[Frozen Angel]

This is the make or break At this point I feel at least one scum was on jin It's also firebringer is scum here. The one that makes the most sense through is frozen angel.

anyway VCA is shit

But I would look more deeply in aliese tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

why is gamma the exception btw screenplay. What makes Gamma different from frozen?

may I answer to this or you want screenplay to do it?

[Frozen Angel]

k

[Frozen Angel]

good night

[Frozen Angel]

You know I just thought of something? How dumb was it to accuse Rc of being scum by a grey weak cop.

1. we don't know if frozen is lying or not.
2.There had to been a roleblocker if she wasn't
3. Grey's role name would changed on his death.
4 If FA supposed ability hit grey wouldn't even be able to weak cop.

I feel like rc was a scum set up.

It was ME or RC

Holy fucking crap Nice misrep

[Frozen Angel]

If you flipped green I'd lynch FA probably.

And GO WAY Toward loosing the game

[Frozen Angel]

This is fucking sick if your wrong about ano My theory was right and I'm going to get lynched THEN to suffer from being right

NO WAY

pedit : ascietic , limited role blocker , probably ninja , Role cop maybe

[Frozen Angel]

role stopper also makes sense as it can be both roleblock and ascietic and thats why there is wifom about me

[Frozen Angel]

This is fucking sick if your wrong about ano My theory was right and I'm going to get lynched THEN to suffer from being right

NO WAY

pedit : ascietic , limited role blocker , probably ninja , Role cop maybe

Almost as bad as if you tried to force a 1v1 between town who you put into the shitty 1v1 situation and yourself.

Yeah but yours is loosing the game. Mine practically ended with conftowning 3 of you and outed the game setup

[Frozen Angel]

and I still think roleblocker in this setup is sick >.>

[Frozen Angel]

RC if ano is town You will probably die before having the chance to revalute my green flip

I need to die so you can use my flip Tomorrow To sort it MORE accuratly

[Frozen Angel]

@screen pardon me?

what?

[Frozen Angel]

The menu this evening:

Anotora 12
Smoked fish, pickled onion, Anotora.
Baby Anotora 13
orange, treviso, candied walnut, Anotola vinaigrette
Seared Albanatola 15
baby fennel, taggiasca Anatolas, lemon
Buffalo Anatola 15
apple, chicory, celery, aged Anatola
Fried Anatolas 16
fennel salad, calabrian chili Anatioli
Anatoli Board 17
proscuitto, salami gentile, mortadella, spicy Anatola

>.>

Your noT fucking listening to anything I say >.>

VOTE: Anotora

I'm done explaining stuff

This game is on you

pedit : SAJ WAS SCUMMY. HE DID SCUMMY THING. I DIDN'T LYNCH HIM ALONE

Grow up FFS

and YOU SHOULD KNOW why a roleblocker was sick in this setup from MY POV so cut the crap >.>

[Frozen Angel]

Lets see What RC will do in this game

he is the leader

[Frozen Angel]

Again kill Pep and it gets rid of a power role night action

pep is not a power role very likely what are you talking about >.>

[Frozen Angel]

You both have been around long enough to see it's to obvious right?

What?!!

[Frozen Angel]

Thats the point

he is likely their goon and obviously not their roleblocker

[Frozen Angel]

A member of a mafia faction cannot perform an ability and kill at the same time.

[Frozen Angel]

>.>

What else

[Frozen Angel]

Last vote ml was who?

I did the first and last vote on SAJ

[Frozen Angel]

such a crap!

[Frozen Angel]

mod I'm voting anotora

I will vote whoever RC vote from now on.

[Frozen Angel]

Has Pep or FA not voted on one another all game?

With Pep confirmed scum surely FA has voted on him at least once?

during day 1 when I started questioning pep Saj was way scummier. (I wasn't pk with pep first wagon as anotora wagon was disbaneded in an awful manner)

and today I want another scum lynched so no

[Frozen Angel]

I need to die to make the game extremly less wifomy

and 3 players are conftown + fire now

[Frozen Angel]

@mod I am voting Anotora

[Frozen Angel]

You can read the game for yourself

gamma watched Grey and pep killed him. Mandy has a cop inno on Grey and pep was trying to kill Grey to frame RC.

No one beleives I am a roleblocked town and thats the wifom that must be resolved atm

[Frozen Angel]

yeah we need to get that roleblocker or me today. pep lynch won't say anything and their not the roleblocker (confirmed - they were busy killing grey)

I think its pep/gamma/aliese but anotora is so naive that feels scummy >.>

[Frozen Angel]

The reason I'm voting with RC is that I'm tired of his shit

He can do whatever he does with the game. I already explained my reasons and thought process regardless.

He can do whatever the fuck he can with this game - so he won't blame me for whatever the crap he is doing.

[Frozen Angel]

no Garmr watched Grey I have a headache sorry ...

[Frozen Angel]

and mandy =mloo got a cop inno on Garmr ...

MY mind is a mess

[Frozen Angel]

There are no pep votes cause we are not in danger of lylo and he is a confscum practically and he is likely goon

[Frozen Angel]

I need to die to make the game extremly less wifomy

and 3 players are conftown + fire now

It would make more sense if you are town under suspicion to take a step back and let someone else guide the day.

lol no

I'm town and I will tell whats right and what you quoted is absolutely right.

[Frozen Angel]

So the best action now would be to lynch Pep. Garmr claims he is the only one to visit grey last night. So a pep flip will confirm a lot

Pep flip will tell nothing

[Frozen Angel]

I should be lynched today

or gamma

But RC can lead it anywahere he wants Imo

[Frozen Angel]

There are no pep votes cause we are not in danger of lylo and he is a confscum practically and he is likely goon

lol you never ever just let scum live bc they are likely a goon and risk the uncertainty of the lynch. you lynch the scum

what in the world have you hooligans been doing while I was away

They are not just liekly a goon. a mafia who is killing can't do any actions its mod confirmed. and they are conftown unless with Garmr-RC - Mandy team or a ninja

the first didn't happen cause I trust mandy - Gramr claims and whoever doesn't trust them is stupid. the second didn't happen cause pep didn't confirm or deny Garmr watch result

there is a roleblocker in this game that if they flip I will be conftown as well. and there is gamma who is obv scum with that ascietic but no one will ever lynch them

[Frozen Angel]

RC is town and will lead whatever shit they want. I don't have it in me to fight his stupidity. let him loose the game.

@ FA you admitting that you are suspicious is not helpful in that you are basically saying don't trust me. If it's impossible to trust you stop trying to state things as facts.

I am suspicious because garmr watched grey. Thats not in my control. I am town and my perspective should be considered or your idiots.

My role is the only protective town with ability to fuck 3 inves. and then there is ascietic that only makes sense as scum and you are trusting them more than me cause they have a roleblock that targetted me

[Frozen Angel]

They will get ano then pep then me and gg!

easy game for scum

then I will be able to tell RC "I told you so!" again and that's a win regardless

[Frozen Angel]

nope

pep is onfirmed scum and should die in any case before LYLO for sure

[Frozen Angel]

Its like he already have flipped ...

[Frozen Angel]

Why leave him alive to hammer anyone he wants?

huh?

he can't just hammer a wagon from nowhere before it shapes.

The game is practically over. we have a decent townblock of 4, You don't know but I know there is a scum roleblocker and gamma ascietic is just scum in this setup

There is no need to kill the conf goon that won't add any info and let them kill and block investigatives for free >.>

[Frozen Angel]

I see where you're coming from with this sentiment, but if we lynch town instead, then what changes?

That's on RC. I'm done arguing with him.

I am an acceptable lynch for RC and Garmr if they are not going to open their eyes to setup and help me get gamma or sort aliese / anotora for last scum.

so yeah eiather trust me or end this wifom crap about me so you can see the setup and lynch scum tomorrow

its a fair deal

[Frozen Angel]

I believe people are operating under the assumption that Grey targeted RC.

And we have a claim that pep visited Grey.

So Grey died by either RC or Pep.

So why is FA a wagon?

cause they think I lied about rolestop as garmr watched successfully and saw pep and I'm the masterplanner scum who asked pep to kill Grey.

and if you read the votes you can see their crap supporting reasons (see anotora's at least ... its funny actually)

[Frozen Angel]

FA - so were you told that you retained your 1 shot?

No I was wrong on that stuff. apparently in normal setups the shots won't get refunded by block. its written in wiki and I stupidly misunderstood cephir in my own game

I don't play normals a lot >.>

[Frozen Angel]

Gamma Emerald Obvious Alt - claimed ascetic? in a seemingly needless situation?

yep he claimed it when replaced in.

his reaction to me considering that a scum claim is funny you can see that for yourself

[Frozen Angel]

Garmr, RC, ML , Fire and me are town

Gamma , pep and someone in aliese / anotora are scum

This is my two cents.

pedit : exaclty how you expect pep to be a mislynch?

[Frozen Angel]

the confidence in RC being town is a read?
and the confidence in Fire being town...also a read? I just want to know it's not the miller claim as a stand-alone

Rc is town cause pep is scum who killed grey to frame him

Fire is town cause its town!fire >.> and a miller makes so much sense with 3 inves shit like this. ascietic makes no sense when we have a miller and a rolestopper. ascietic is a godfather for weak vanilla cop (grey) ascietic is scum

[Frozen Angel]

like I have 0 doubts about that town block

literally 0

[Frozen Angel]

mandy also softed cop multiple times day 1 and I got it

thats why I had a townread on them since then >.>

I guessed this game is a inspec shit show after fire miller claim (knowing I was a role stopper)

This is obviously what is this and the only way a roleblocker with limited shots might make sense in scum team >.>

[Frozen Angel]

why should a scum roleblock me and a scum pep kill grey if RC is scum

[Frozen Angel]

If scum tried to kill grey to frame RC there can't be two kills

The only way there could be two kills (without vig which is obvious we don't have in this game) was RC scum causeing grey death and a seprate scum kill

even if RC was scum they wouldn't do that ever

[Frozen Angel]

Thats irrelivent as we know pep was scum and grey was indeed killed

[Frozen Angel]

I haven't seen your posts this phase yet, but please explain why, when there is a dichotomy of you and Pep and one of you is guaranteed scum, you wouldn't be voting pep

You read anything I said? It is guaranteed that pep is scum! There is no dichotomy here ...

[Frozen Angel]

Omg this game is making me very sad on the inside.

each time I open this thread I get the feeling to bang my head in the nearest wall ...

[Frozen Angel]

Tomorrow the only wagon must be on pep

so no