Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I fucking missed you ...

[Frozen Angel]

so why didn't you argue about that pregame?

[Frozen Angel]

Why you didn't pm the player and asked them to participate before the game?

And what gave you the impression the no lynch vote is serious?

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I'm going to assume both for the answer yes. Either way I haven't seen a scum player yet suggest a no lynch so you get a very early town lean.

ahh he just said it was just an rvs

Feels you're trying to buddy.

[Frozen Angel]

>.>

You probably, just want to steal my cookie ...

GO AWAY

[Frozen Angel]

Perfect!

o.o

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen angel
She has cookies that I must have

early town read on Fire bringer.

its subjected to change but its good for now. the cookie trick worked as planned.

VOTE: Garmr

No you can't cause its going to be on you

[Frozen Angel]

RC, you serious about your miller claim? Because if you are then we have at least a 50/50 chance of lynching scum Day 1 and that's a great place to start.

that's a false dilemma even if both are sirious deary

pedit : @Fire yep!

what are you going to do about it?

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It is a common tactic

ahh?!

what meta is this based on?

[Frozen Angel]

Grey and Rc opinions about Garmr and Anotora

well - I know your opinion about anotora grey, only RC answers that please!

pedit : I am town RC. <3

don't be scum PLease cause my heart will be smashed ...

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pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe

a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.

[Frozen Angel]

can you make a case about Anotora ?

I like to see her response to such things to judge about her.

[Frozen Angel]

by case I mean even one short sentence saying I beleive you did that which was scummy

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Judging by your ISO it would seem like I'm the only one in the game you have an opinion of.

whats the meaning of that then?

[Frozen Angel]

ahh let me make the case then:

No. No Lynch is never an option on d1. That you are feigning objection to it for now and keeping it open as a possibility for later if town is amenable to it gives me scum vibes.

@Anotora , You stated your not a fan of Grey no lynch vote, but thats a topic to discus later in day. Grey beleives you're scum for pretending/suggesting No lynch is a viable discussable option in day 1.

what that makes you think about Grey and his rvs no lynch vote and then his next vote on you?

[Frozen Angel]

What scum would want to counterclaim miller especially this early in the game. Also I know firebringer enough to know he wouldn't fakeclaim miller as scum.

I mean yeah practically what Garmr said. The whole miller crap is NAI atm and I actually can believe 2 town miller claims in a setup anyway.

pedit : thats what we call wifom anotora

are you an alt or a new player? (If you don't mind answering ofc)

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no I asked what that particular thing I said means to you.

[Frozen Angel]

Too early for Garmr. I think my opinion of Anotora is pretty obvious.

Judging by your ISO it would seem like I'm the only one in the game you have an opinion of.

You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on his actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.

I like to know how these two post add up in you're mind. can you explain how someone who is picky on you has a pro town scum hunting effort?

and I mean I like to know what is your opinion about the fact that "he scum reads you for believing Not voting is a topic to be discussed later in day"

[Frozen Angel]

Elsa is town please ask questions from her instead of accusing her.

I want to be friend with you cause I think you're town. don'T make me ANGrY :/

[Frozen Angel]

so be my friend

what are your concerns friend?

[Frozen Angel]

In post 89 you were answering my post 81 (I removed the post you were answering on purpose)

You can't use 86 ...

[Frozen Angel]

so be my friend

what are your concerns friend?

I don't like your read on me. Even if it's subject to change.
Your behavior is so similar to sc2 recently.

Also I was scum there and I pushed you first and you townreads me here for voting you?
Makes no sense friend

Practically you scumreaded me in every single game I played with you so far for bullcrap reasons like this.

I had no idea you were scum there and I would play the same as town there, I can garantee that,

The coockie trap was simple : I tried to look like I'm crumbing something and I knew you would follow it up as town with a vote. You're naive townread on Antona seems like town you and I actually have no reason to scumread someone who won't reach lylo after a miller claim

so why are you surprised about my town read on you again?

[Frozen Angel]

Vote frozen so she gives me her cookies!!!
Friend frozen must share!!!

Frozen how's ice cubicle doing?
Don't give him my cookies!

I can't share

I only have one

and its not for you - so get lost!

[Frozen Angel]

and he is great thanks for asking Fire! <3

[Frozen Angel]

I just skimmed the past pages cause I'm busy with RL

Alisae push seems fine, Anotora vote not so much

and Fire please converse! I can't stand when a friend is scum reading me! - you know that right ?!

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actually scratch that

-Grey-, why are you so sure? Would you let me try to provoke him into writing meaningful content?

If you can provoke FB, I shall grant you one internet cookie.

Nice dodge.

Anotora is repeating the same naive behavior over and over that it's just NAI at this rate.

[Frozen Angel]

I like to know what is the thing you believe that I would do as scum. You can't just say you scum read me and then stop talking about it

well yes. You are scum reading me in every single game we have - is that untrue?

You're scum reading me for town reading you - I guess - But There is absolutely no way for Town!me or Scum!me to scum read you after what we've been through and I practically explained that.

The nahdia game just finished. weren't you scum reading me there for same reason - cause honestly this feels exactly the same. I mean yeah if you're suggesting I should be policy lynched then go forward with that line of thinking cause I have nothing to stop against you, but till you confess thats you're case or present you're line of thinking I won't stand back.

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and the fact I feel that - the fact I'm town reading you is scummy - is bull crap cause it kindda is to be honest

I love you personally though! don't try to combine the two <3

[Frozen Angel]

I early scum read you in nahdia game but you guys became one of my stronger town reads in later game....

what ...?!!

I got force replaced day 1

[Frozen Angel]

and good night!

hope in morning you can explain you're line of thinking!

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen angel- I think I have to elaborate on this one. Frozen has 30 post 8 pages in and she hasn't really put down a solid stance. Her vote is own me with no real serious reasoning for it to be there other than I voted her. I noticed that she was implying that grey was scummy but didn't jump on him in post 71. She ask for peoples opinions on players and does nothing with it. After this she is just defending herself from firebringers weak push (no offense buddy but your push on frozen seems kinda weak). Frozen angel to my memory is a paranoid player who is quick to push for reasons that puzzle me sometimes. She is not that she is not parinoid she is content with the situation she is in despite actually not hunting or anything. This is not a town frozen.

There are so many stuff wrong about this!

- I always have so many posts in page 8! I always have so many posts - thats just a part of me always being around because of my state!
- I made multiple stances! I have sirious reasons for voting you but you never tried to engage about it with me yet. You shipped FB's paranoia on me when it shaped, You're early game posting seems incredibly fake and your RVS seems really forced. You didn't try to reach out to anyone - but you're trying to stablish solid reasonable reads on people (It's like you want to have the "reads" without actually doing the scumhunting.)
- I always poke smelly things and make conversations out of them. I was trying to make anotora and grey engage each other to see what they make out of each other. I beleive Grey is town and there is still chnace for Anotora to be scum - though if they were a newbie I would count that slot town without hesitation.
and I'm practically observing pacho and screen atm

I always say! "I won't vomit reads"

no what do you mean when you say I didn't stablish solid reads less than 24 hours into game?
- I ask players opinions about the actions players took (and when I asked RC and Grey there wasn't more than one action to comment on anyway) I was thinking Anotora is more likly town for being so creamy - but there were contardictions on their post that I highlighted. what is the thing you're accusing me that I didn't do with that information?
- I am the same frozen - not preg - nor depressed. I'm calm and I want to do this in a more subtle manner. Don't say my scum games were less noisy as my town games - cause thats a really creepy bad lie.

and yeah this is town me. I'm wondering if this is a news for you or not at the moment.

[Frozen Angel]

Solid Town reads
Firebringer
Alisae
Rc

K

How the fuck did you read RC?!

Rc? How the fuck did he read you?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm confused by your townread on me but I am also a huge nonfan of Anotora. So.

VOTE: Anotora

is the first sentence @Gramr?

[Frozen Angel]

Towny:
Garmr
Firebringer

Leantown?:
Screenplay

Kind of sort of leaning scum?:
Alisae

Ehhscum:
Frozen Angel

Scummy:
Anotoro, Pepchoninga

[Frozen Angel]

I figure scummies are given for a reason. Reaction fishing and manipulation go hand in hand. Seems logical to me. *shrug*

VOTE: Anotora

This is L1 isn't it?

why no body called it

[Frozen Angel]

oh no its not the L3 wagon was on screen play

anyway

Garmr is so fake - some votes here will be appreciated. (the next post he will call this omgus even though I started voting him and pushing him first - look when I called it)

[Frozen Angel]

antoro has some contradictions again. she called me- fire interaction TvT before now she has me as null

[Frozen Angel]

But I did response to every notes you made. did you just missed it?

pedit: k

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One of the reasons I have anotora as slight scum read is (I think its possible for them to be scum is the fact they used post 86 as an answer to my post 81. Thats really unsettling.

[Frozen Angel]

ah no

he continued the exact same appeasy attitude in the rest of the game so far. I like to see his response to my answer to his case though.

pedit : oh yeah I omgused him first! and that wasn't a logic - it was something I sensed that was about to happen

[Frozen Angel]

and my vote on garmr happened after RVS actually.

He deserves more pressure.

[Frozen Angel]

Who said I want them lynched

I don't want a lynch less than 24 hours into game. I'm pressuring and developing reads and Garmr is an interesting subject cause he is scummy.

Antoro has some stuff to answer as well. I like to develop and solidify our reads before achieving a lynch and entering the night. Don't you?

pedit : this is @grey

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I will tear your wall down into peaces - just cause the wall is harder to respond.

2a-No you really haven't at most you accused me of buddying grey because I town read him. I wrote this off as understandable through wrong in my head because it was early game. I responded with a light heart joke you joked back. You made no future attempt to justify your vote on me after the wagon and ignored me until you were brought into the spotlight.

what I say is not exactly everyting on my mind. I voted you to see you're reaction to it and you didn't respond back. I was pushing other directiopns to see when and how will you actually try to communicate. I was waiting it to be brought to spotlight by you. You brought it up and used it to apeal to Fire and RC who knows me better - just to make them paranoid about me. Why me vote parking on you is scummy again in the first place? You know I was sleep when the game mostly progressed cause I'm in eurpe so - you obviously knew I couldn't change my vote during sleep and I never change my vote that fast even an RVS one unless if I feel its neccessary. Thats a fact about my vote in every single game.

so no. all you're points are practically - and generally false. and the fact you're saying I had no reason to keep my vote on you is also false (cause I just told the reasons) but you couldn't know my reasons cause I didn't told them publickly

so instead of asking the reasons if you were wondering about it why you think that was scummy?

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Who said I want them lynched

I don't want a lynch less than 24 hours into game. I'm pressuring and developing reads and Garmr is an interesting subject cause he is scummy.

Antoro has some stuff to answer as well. I like to develop and solidify our reads before achieving a lynch and entering the night. Don't you?

pedit : this is @grey

Your vote on Garmr is vanity and your push impotent.

If you aren't going to use your vote for a plausible push of your own, you should at least support the one that actually does have traction.

My vote made me start a conversation with him so it proved it's purpose already

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2b- You accuse me trying to have reads with out doing the scum hunting? But it's pretty obvious I have been doing scum hunting and pushing my case. I have interacted with multiple players and developed reads from my interactions. This sounds like you are trying to make a excuse to stay on me but can't find a real adequate one.

well I say you're having reads - and whatever else you're doing is attaching those reads to a suitable apeasable case.

I accuse you that you're doing the process vise versa (practically what scum do and what makes me feel you're scum - and what I called fake!)

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3a. You find grey town ok that's fine but you find anotora scummy and you ignore the fact that I'm pretty much the one who started drove the wagon on anotora. I bring this up not becuase I want to be town read becuase of it but because it denies your narrative that i'm not engaging and forming reads if you do acknowledge my stance on ano.

I won't do preflip assumptions ever

thank you very much though

the reasons I scumread anotora - are completly seprate from the reasons I'm scumreading you. and you making a push on anotora means 0 at the moment. and no it's not. I don't like the way you're saying you're the first one who started pushing anotora when grey attacked her first and I started pointing out to their contradictions before you make that iso dive attack as well. I acknowledge your stance on Ano and I beleive it might be fake.

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3b. By the times you have posted a lot has happened I would expect better reads from you. You are the type of player who gets paranoid and with this amount of content I could see you actually get stuck into a player. Even no your offence on me is extremely weak and seems more like a defensive reaction because i'm raising awareness of you and people are like yeah i can see frozen as scum.

I don't understand this part.

can you rephrase?

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4.this is wrong on so many level. You ask opinions on what players think and don't follow up and you expect me to town read you because? You also expect to be town read for asking questions as well and not actually scum hunting because?

I definitely never asked you town read me. Even if your town thats on you not me. My responsibility is to explain my actions.

I did scum hunting. I made some points and I started throwing people in arena to fight over those points and I explained what I were thinking about those points as transparent as possible. I explained my stances on every single player I got a read from so far when I got those reads.

I don't have a read on RC cause I beleive its impossible to get a read on that player in such early game. I beleive it can be impossible depending on game to have an absoloute read on him - even in the very late game. My reads on people develop shape and change with every single post so sorry for disappointing you, I won't ever take that hard stands. I will get confident on some of my reads based on events and conversations and I might even tunnel some but no. If you beleive that this makes me scum and you can convince others that its from scum then so be it! Being trasnparent with reads is different from what you ask me.

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5-no i'm not saying they are less noisy. I'm saying your less noisyness here shows your are content with the game state and I don't think a town frozen would be content with her scum position in this particular scenario. Finally why did you even bring up anything about pregnant or depressed frozen I wasn't implying any of that or even thinking about it. So please don't bring your personal life into the game to try and try to make me look like a villain. I will accept a apology and move on with the game.

well what you think about the town frozen angel is wrong or you don't think that about frozen angel but you're faking it! I won't tunnel people when I'm making reads less than 24 hours.

and I meant the whole past year of me in MS was a different me. If you are referring to my annoying game ruining attidue please stop. I don't want my personal life in the game and I just don't like the way you're using meta cause that tempered annoying crap is in the past. You saw a calm game of mine in blackflag remember - that will be the way I am in here later in game, Hopefully. I'm trying to be a nicer person generally.

I don't understand what do you want me to apologize for but sure, sorry o.o

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Lol @ FA treating Garmr like town while calling him scum.

That's not at all inconsistent.

wtf are you on about

I certainly will answer any questions directed at me even from a treestumped scum.

[Frozen Angel]

@Gramr

that starting vote was not sirious. It was a hunch that I didn't change cause I had nothing more sirious to hunch on.

and yes I pushed other directions and got reads out of it. It was 11/12 pm last night.

again I'm asking why me having no sirious read at that stage of game is scummy? cause its the defualt crap you're using in you're case.

and yes. I understand why RC has doubts about me. I understand why Fire is scumreading me and I actually can accept town!you scumreading me (thats not related to the fact I'm scum reading you at all nor my points about you). after like 50 games which I only got mislynched in once in a lylo (on ms) I'm ok with getting lynched and to die if thats what polish my meta.

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If you beleive that this makes me scum and you can convince others that its from scum then so be it!

Only town can believe something makes someone scum. You are talking to Garmr like you know he's town.

Nope I talk with him knowing he is either town or scum regardless of my thoughts on him that makes me beleive he is scum.

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2b- You accuse me trying to have reads with out doing the scum hunting? But it's pretty obvious I have been doing scum hunting and pushing my case. I have interacted with multiple players and developed reads from my interactions. This sounds like you are trying to make a excuse to stay on me but can't find a real adequate one.

well I say you're having reads - and whatever else you're doing is attaching those reads to a suitable apeasable case.

I accuse you that you're doing the process vise versa (practically what scum do and what makes me feel you're scum - and what I called fake!)

Lol your accusing me of it yet you have no proof that i'm doing that or show a hypothsis of where,when and why I'm doing it. Like you said that's a accusation. A baseless one and that doesn't hold in mafia because scum can use baseless accusations especially when your trying to reach for a reason to stay on me.

You can generically accuse every player here of doing that.

You're accusation on me is exactly baseless like that, nearlly no one in game made hard stances and you still refuse to explain why me having no strong reads last night was scummy.

and thats how I felt about you after you voted me with fire at start. I felt the same thing when you practically gathered what I forced antoro to tell in game to make a case against her which made you look townier. and then you make a case against me and you ask RC how he feels about that after stating you're townreading him without explaining your reasons.

thats what triggered my gut and why you deserve more pressure

[Frozen Angel]

3a. You find grey town ok that's fine but you find anotora scummy and you ignore the fact that I'm pretty much the one who started drove the wagon on anotora. I bring this up not becuase I want to be town read becuase of it but because it denies your narrative that i'm not engaging and forming reads if you do acknowledge my stance on ano.

I won't do preflip assumptions ever

thank you very much though

the reasons I scumread anotora - are completly seprate from the reasons I'm scumreading you. and you making a push on anotora means 0 at the moment. and no it's not. I don't like the way you're saying you're the first one who started pushing anotora when grey attacked her first and I started pointing out to their contradictions before you make that iso dive attack as well. I acknowledge your stance on Ano and I beleive it might be fake.

Lol really. I also forgot about grey being the first vote because he unvoted. But my point still stands that you didn't initially acknowledge my case on anora. You say believe it may be fake. So you acknowledge it could be real? Like come on do better than this.

All your doing is saying stuff is fake with out attempting to prove why!

Lets be honest you have no real case against me. You say you have all these points against me but you never say them and all you do is cry how fake my points and reads are. Which makes believe you are making things up on the spot. Town don't make up shit on the spot to justify a read so you are scum.

I beleive the CASE itself is real but the fact you made it then is fake.

I am scumreading anoro contardictions myself. I'm the one who pointed them before you.

I can't prove litterally anything - like the way you can't do that. Prove you think I'm scum right now! You can't!

Thats the impression I got based on the events.

Lets be honest. I have no case against anyone and no one else has at this point. I have a read that I'm trying to see where it ends. I'm not crying! I'm brave ! If I get mislynched for the second time in my whole MS history thats fine! I'm polishing my meta and I'm doing a great job controlling my emotions!

what do you mean i don't say them? I said the point three times in past two pages. what exactly is ambiguise for you! Just ask! <3

and nope I'm not scum. and I made no shit up! I'm town and I'm a cute one!

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I'm not referring to any of that i'm not using meta like you always do and not. I'm saying your comfortable with your position so you took a step back while a town frozen would push more and produce actual content and wouldn't let convos die.

But I'm producing actual content and look at how many convos I created in game!

I am a human being and I'm living in europe so - I need sleep! If you're reffering to the period I was sleeping or when I was busy earlier today then I'm not sure what to tell.

which convo are you referring to?

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@Gramr

that starting vote was not sirious. It was a hunch that I didn't change cause I had nothing more sirious to hunch on.

and yes I pushed other directions and got reads out of it. It was 11/12 pm last night.

again I'm asking why me having no sirious read at that stage of game is scummy? cause its the defualt crap you're using in you're case.

and yes. I understand why RC has doubts about me. I understand why Fire is scumreading me and I actually can accept town!you scumreading me (thats not related to the fact I'm scum reading you at all nor my points about you). after like 50 games which I only got mislynched in once in a lylo (on ms) I'm ok with getting lynched and to die if thats what polish my meta.

Ok starting vote wasn't serious do you expect a town me to act out on a none serious vote? Of course I'm not going to react so why did you say you waiting for me to react. You just changed your narrative.

Also my point was you were still in rvs mode at 240 something posts that's at least enough time to formulate a opinion and if you didn't have a serious read on me why did your vote stay on me. Your making up bull shit now and getting tangled in it.

No I didn't! see when I voted you there you sheeping fire was actually so damn fake! so I voted you cause I had something against you. I was expecting you to react to it. It was sirious in that sense. It wasn't a vote To lynch like you're referring it to such.

and I formulated my opinions and I clearly explained them even back then. You're basic argument that I made no stances in game is not accurate and correct. I didn't make my opinion on so many slots in game though and I didn't formulate a tunnelvision/hard stance and I won't - at least not so early. why is this scummy again?

[Frozen Angel]

I need to leave now

will be back later tonight

bye!

pedit : ah I didn't say RC is town. I just said that the whole thing is WIFOMy. and if thats your reason for town reading RC you suck!

and my accusations is as strong as you're accusations on me. and I proved it. so yep congrats to both of us I guess.

and stop being a jerk. You talk I answer. Drop conversation if you think you're harming the town. You know I can't ignore people.

[Frozen Angel]

It's part of the reason why I town read rc like it or lump it. Also you didn't prove anything and i'm not being a jerk. I honestly think your spamming is whats harming town. I think accusing someone of being a creep just because they scum read you and bringing none relevant topics about your own life to try and shame the other person and make them look bad is pretty low and would be worse than a jerk because it's that despicable.

Well thats too naive and I really don't expect someone as experianced as you act like that. spescially when its about RC. but yeah sorry for the harassing comment.

all I did in past 2 pages was me answering your concerns. I did prove that. You're saying I didn't take any stances while I did - You're argument is that I didn't announce them completly in thread before being spotlighted which is half false anyone who can Iso me can see where I explained how I feel about the stuff I detected. I didn;t follow them to a complete convo last night cause I had to sleep and I didn't follow them earlier today cause I was busy. You're saying this is not what you expect of frozen as she would made hard stances and push them down. I said I'm no longer that frozen and that frozen would do that as town or scum so not doing that is not practically proving anything. You're saying my case on you is crap cause I have no substantial point to follow it up, well I had and I explained them. You just clarified one of my points which is actually bugging but believable (regarding you're townread on RC)

there were some other arguments - I beleive you're accusing me of vote parking on you since last night and I answered its less than 24 hours in game and as I said I was busy to think and I didn't got any better hunches to follow. well be happy I want to change my vote atm cause i don't think my concerns about you are matching up atm.

the only other person I like to push right now is Anotora which I have a complicated feeling about. The points they make are scummy as their contradicting but their too consistent in what their doing which is as I said earlier make me feel their naive attitude regarding stuff is NAI. Because of that I like to see how will they react to other people pushing them.

VOTE: Anotora

[Frozen Angel]

and I called you a jerk cause you were the one who was continuing the argument. I was the one who was getting interrogated. Calling me a spammer was really lame.

[Frozen Angel]

Pap weren't you defending screen based on a game before?

I'm confused

[Frozen Angel]

and what the hell is she is a girl so I can't read her ...

I mean wtf! ... siriously

and where did I defend garmr case with "I won't vote for lynch" ? I was saying that to explain why my early vote on him wasn't serious in that way he was interpreting it from my post. Seems like a very picky point in the whole discussion

[Frozen Angel]

No, I'm not defending him. I'm saying he is either a bad scum or there is something preventing him from playing to his fullest.

ok

just checked again you're right

so why didn't you react to this :

Do you wanna know what would make your defence on him genuine? An unvote.

before?

[Frozen Angel]

Anotoro accused pop of defending screen. screen said something, you said that an unvote would made it more genuine.

if his response was clarifying he is not defending screen (like the way it is) why he didn't react to your sentence? Antono accusation happened before the particular sentence

[Frozen Angel]

If grey is a slight scum lean why you put his name in as null? If you beleive I'm town why you put me in there as a null read?

[Frozen Angel]

Anotoro accused pop of defending screen. screen said something, you said that an unvote would made it more genuine.

if his response was clarifying he is not defending screen (like the way it is) why he didn't react to your sentence? Antono accusation happened before the particular sentence

Is this for me or for Pep? I'm confused now.

It was trying to clarify my last post, the one you said it was more @anotoro

[Frozen Angel]

In the mid time ...

RC <3

[Frozen Angel]

pep you kindda dodged commenting about my post accusing you to be picky regarding my arguments with Garmr

Was this intentional or you just forgot commenting about it?

[Frozen Angel]

no you still didn't comment about that.

and can you explain what do you mean was shady in my responses?

[Frozen Angel]

RC play with me!

BTW everyone, If I ever disappeared middle of conversations don't be surprised. I have someone in RL who I must take care of.

[Frozen Angel]

:O RC

Are you drunk?

That post went in a very dark direction. why you tried to take it there

and no we have no personal relationships or problem. he is just messing around

[Frozen Angel]

and what the hell is she is a girl so I can't read her ...

I mean wtf! ... siriously

and where did I defend garmr case with "I won't vote for lynch" ? I was saying that to explain why my early vote on him wasn't serious in that way he was interpreting it from my post. Seems like a very picky point in the whole discussion

Pep I meant this ^

you ignored this post and its really important

and RC I feel you might be town based on you're push on ano mainly but I won't trust my gut when its you. You're fangs bite hard. These people might not know BUT I doooo

[Frozen Angel]

And no, don't take me wrong, it's just that since I have huge respect for females and sometimes it really bugs me off when I have to read them in a game like that.

Please

I'm town for real

[Frozen Angel]

RC, why grey is town?

you said you're town reading him earlier

[Frozen Angel]

Scum: Frozen angel

You should really start thinking about where you go wrong in every single game as town, Once in a while.

[Frozen Angel]

My game play has been consistent all game.

Consistently doing nothing is still doing nothing.

Its like repeatedly multiplying in 0. it might look like doing something good but in the end you will just stay in that 0 forever.

[Frozen Angel]

Now, just to clear my words. What I say is that I see a lust for a fast lynch in some people. That doesn't necessarily make them scum, but going for not well though lynch increases the chance of a misslynch. Pressure is made to force reactions which inturn help you to get a good case. And you should not feel rushed to do that. That is what I'm saying. If there is someone who does give a lot of food to fead upon and people have come to a consensus then by all means a lynch could happen earlier. It's just we have time and we should be able to use it as we wish without necessarily making us look scummy.

Still takes away the effect by TELLING scum that we want to review every wagon before we lynch. If they think they have time to move the wagon they won't be pressured at all.

That's not true actually

but It makes me feel good about you - when I see you care about this.

[Frozen Angel]

Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.

Where do you get the basis for this remark about me?

Because you are a good player. I've played with good players before and being a good player means I don't trust you until I see something more solid.

What gives you the idea that I'm a good player?

Why does me being a good player make you automatically assume I'm scum unless proven otherwise?

he didn't say that. You're kinda twisting his words here ...

[Frozen Angel]

Yes I'm asking him would he. To see his reaction. I'm telling him to do it like Alisae.

And I've explained what him refusing to reveal and him doing it would do imo.

I can't see how would you plan a reaction test based on the fact an L1 player is going to claim or not

BTW not game related : the avatar is annadog's fault. blame her who forcibly made me join to her army!

[Frozen Angel]

who is tunneling who Mandy?

[Frozen Angel]

I missed that sorry

[Frozen Angel]

It's not funny at all. I just didn't pay attention to where the quote begun and I kindda skimmed the paged I missed before so I wasn't remembering that particular phrasing - so you're response felt out of place. - his second post - the one you asked those questions based - was saying a completely different pov

[Frozen Angel]

That didn't feel like that when I was commenting on it

pedit : no I just apologized for missing that - never said you had to do anything else. You're the one who is trying to make something out of this.

[Frozen Angel]

I just can't ignore anything - even if you're joking. It's a part of me.

Considering your accusation was so easily debunked, it suggests that you were inattentive, and thus bad. Which I find difficult to comprehend because you don't seem bad.

Are you bad, Angel?

Well if it was two months ago I would say "I'm a fucking goddess" but now I'm having doubts.

If you're this interested to know why I missed that You're asking me to explain my RL state so prepare yourself for this which actually I hate to bring in game. You all can just skip the rest of this post.

Atm I'm dealing with terrible continues headaches and I don't get enough sleep. I started teaching again this week - when it's really hard specially now that I'm officially in mandatory leave. That's why I can't concentrate on stuff atm plus posting in mafiascum game threads make me feel awkward after a bunch of crap happened to me last month. The only reason I joined a game was that RC asked me to.

So this is going to be me - at least till I get myself together and start feeling I have a grab in this game - as I previously said to Garmr. Till then all I can do is to point out contradictions and ask questions which might help me get into this and generate more solid reads.

[Frozen Angel]

regarding the things you asked - the choice of words - if they weren't used by mandy before would be blantly twisting and really scummy but it wasn't the case so the quations actually feel ok now.

and Mandy kindda - sligtly - contradicted herself - first she said you're scum until she finds a strong towny thing then she appeased like she has you as null and is not comfortable declaring you as town.

There is a difference between the two - that is annoying.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean whatever. I can't end it on my side. If you want to end a conversion with me end it from your side.

Don't think I missed you selectively quoting, and thus twisting, my words... which is curious behavior coming from someone that apparently thinks that twisting words is bad.

I didn't selectively quote or ever tried to twist anything. I quoted the same post that had The thing you were talking about

That's practically proving I just missed something. and I just explained my whole though process regarding the matter. If you have any questions I'm around to answer.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't like the way ano wagon was demolished.

Pep posted some weak posts but ano did nothing to deserve a pressure wipe in this manner.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't see why psp asking Ano for claim in L1 is a bad thing. I think his "this was for reaction" makes no sense though.

[Frozen Angel]

why did I went down in your list?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't see why psp asking Ano for claim in L1 is a bad thing. I think his "this was for reaction" makes no sense though.

Too bad for your narrative that Pepto was pushing for a claim at L-2, not L-1.

wait who did RC unvoted then in last page?

[Frozen Angel]

why did I went down in your list?

Twice now, I've caught you misrepresenting the gamestate.

If you have r/l issues I'm sorry, but you should replace out if you can't dedicate the attention the game requires. I'm not letting you skate.

I never misrepresented the game state - I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding it correctly

I'm dedicating the attention game requires as much as I can and you're request - that I should replace out means nothing to me.

now you need to explain why is what you're just saying is scummy - not paying attention that much - cause from my exp scums have a better reason to be all cought up and into things. It's like you're trying to throw everything you see around you to see what sticks.

I ahve another question : why was a I a town lean before in you're last read list?

[Frozen Angel]

now you need to

Stopped reading right there.

I don't need to do anything but find scum.

You can think whatever you want of me, that's not my concern.

That's blantly false. A town win condtion - assuming you're claiming to have won - is to make sure all scums are dead. Unless you're a ascietic bulletproof lynchproof vigilant or a bulletproof innocent child vigilant what you just said makes no sense.

You need to answer the questions that are asked from you because from you're pov I must have more than 50% chance to flip town regardless of you're read (regardless of you're alignemnt). You're read on me is litterally irrelivent. Thats according to your wincondition to answer my concerns and That must be your concern.

[Frozen Angel]

Why were you town reading me before? why me missing some details tonight is scummy in your eyes - why are they something that scum wanna do?

[Frozen Angel]

assuming you have one*

[Frozen Angel]

You don't need to give the guides of abr to me... FFS

and focusing on scum and getting them lynched won't mean you shouldn't answer my questions. You asked me questions and explained you're concerns and I answered them. Now that I asked some you're saying I should just replace out and you have no responsibility in answering them?

You're a funny guy

[Frozen Angel]

Now that I asked some you're saying I should just replace out

Lie number three.

I suggested you replace out if you couldn't devote the required attention to this game before your questions.

lol

Nope I didn't "lie" even once in the game.

You asked me to replace out if I can't get devote the required attention in the game in response to why you put me down as scum read instead of answering why you're scum reading me. You practically tried to make me ashamed of my play to not answer why the action you're talking about is scummy.

and by putting me lower in that list you're still not doing shit to justify you're read. you're not playing the game you're just being a show man.

[Frozen Angel]

You're using of word "lie" is really intresting

what did I lie about again?

[Frozen Angel]

Secret Agent Jin replaces keyenpeydee.
Welcome!

Hello!

[Frozen Angel]

The first is not a lie. It's a misunderstanding.

The second is not a lie. It's remembering events in different orders.

The third is practically the absolute truth and calling it a lie is just you're poor attempt for dodging my questions which is asking why the two above is scummy ^

VOTE: Grey I only omgus scum.

[Frozen Angel]

How can you possibly say he's dodging answering your questions. You're replying to his response to those questions!

what are you talking about

I asked two direct questions :

why you were townreading me before

why those two (the first two things he calls lie) are scummy

tell me where answered them? after that he called them "lie", he refused to answer and linked a crappy unrelated ABR guide to say there are no reasons to answer, he asked me to leave the game cause he won't give me a give away because of my problem (when I actually said I'm telling those cause you're asking repeatedly and I want everyone to just skip this and I in no manner asked for give away from anything)

he is just dodging and trying to apease like a show man.

[Frozen Angel]

My proof is earlier in the very page I called you out on it. Fucking lol.

I was wondering when you'd get the balls to vote me in an attempt to change the direction off your buddy.

I won't replace out so you may stop harrasing me. I am putting effort in the game and I never asked for a way out for any actions.

You're using my actions as a reason to scumread me. I'm asking you why they are scummy and you go back saying I should replace out if I want noone consider them scummy. You made a circel shit here that has no logical basis and is intended to make me look bad.

why misunderstanding and remembering events in a wrong order - when there was a reason for remembering them in wrong order (RC unvoted agian later which made me think anoto was L1 when pap asked for claim) is scummy?

[Frozen Angel]

we will discuss anoto and pep right after you answered my question

[Frozen Angel]

@Mod please remind grey that's it's not nice to spam in game thread

[Frozen Angel]

@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

[Frozen Angel]

the last line was @Grey , I saw the quote and assumed he quoted his post again :/

My headache is killing me.

I want every single slot in game beside grey to comment on his dodging.

[Frozen Angel]

You were trying to provoke grey back then. You practically white knighted Anotora without presenting even one reason for any townread about her and multiple people announced their conerns about me so far.

calling me desperate is not an answer to my two questions that you have no answer for obviously cause you're scum.

[Frozen Angel]

why misunderstanding and remembering events in a wrong order - when there was a reason for remembering them in wrong order (RC unvoted agian later which made me think anoto was L1 when pap asked for claim) is scummy?

But I dropped back to L2 waaayyy before Pep tried to make me claim. There should have been no confusion.

I wasn't online when the whole hammering things happened and skimmed through those pages. I was remembering RC was voting you and he just unvoted when I was posting again.

[Frozen Angel]

She's scum misrepresenting events. End of story.

I misremmebered the order of events. How is that misrepresenting events and how is that benificial for a theorical scum!me? As I said you're just throwing every single crap you're hands can reach on me and you have nothing substantial to back them up with.

[Frozen Angel]

@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

Ok

Opinions

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

:thinking:

[Frozen Angel]

who is lieing now?

[Frozen Angel]

That's a scummy explanation when it comes from someone who almost always uses preview-edits.

what the hell are you talking about? I wasn't online at all when he unvoted first. I skimmed the not read pages which was the same reason I mistkaed about the first crap he calls a lie as well and I saw RC unvoting again - so I assumed when pacho pushed for a claim on you you were at L1 naturally.

how is preview-edit related to this at all?

[Frozen Angel]

grey is throwing mud on me and when I questioned the background of his reads he started to make a loop. He is scum for having reads that have no background.

vote him or attack my logic.

pedit : I DIDN'T KNOW he wasn't voting anyone when he unvoted in 736, I missed his first unvote before pep push for claim. Thats why I was thinking anotora was at L1 when he asked for claim.

and my scumread on you has no relation to anotora or pep. nice desperate throwing shade though.

[Frozen Angel]

Chainsaw on who? Pepcho? where?

RC are you reading my posts?

why are you ignoring me?

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't push for a claim. I asked if he would do one. He was L-1 in and out and I don't know why anybody isn't talking about the inconsistent voting of RC.

why you referred you're asking for a claim as a reaction test?

[Frozen Angel]

Chainsaw on who? Pepcho? where?

She's chainsawing me because of my Pepto push.

Notice she had no problems with my weird play all day long... until after I started pushing her buddy.

You just started calling my posts lies. I just omgused you - scum! nice bullcrap though - thumbs up

[Frozen Angel]

I am reading your posts but I don't want to lynch you today despite your complete conformity to your scum meta because I don't want to lynch you today.

I'm not scum and this is not my scum meta

but ok

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm voting myself instead of you. Like if thats what it takes to put aside whatever crap everyone are assuming about my meta - that makes playing mafia practically impossible and very annoying - then so be it.

Don't let grey go after me

I will prod doge from this point.

[Frozen Angel]

and don't feel bad RC

I know this is just a game. but impossible is impossible.

I can't handle this anymore.

[Frozen Angel]

IE, I lynched FA in steven universe when I was confident she was scum and hated the rest of the game. FA lives for today at least.

I'm not sum here.

I'm 1 shot town rolestopper and I was planning to not use it - at least tonight. the coockie was reffering to this and I said I have only one but I don't like to give it to fire.

there you go that's my claim. bye

[Frozen Angel]

I am not lynching you today. Grandiose gestures like this won't convince me you're town and don't engender me to lynch Gray after you either.

If you want me to change my read on you or gray I want you to post a readslist and fully clarify your reads on both of the people I've been pushing as a scumblock, Atropoa or w/e and Pepcho.

You are and you will

I don;t want to cnvince you I'm town. I'm not a doll to be played with. If you scumread me - and obviously you won't ever gonna change you're vote then so be it.

like who cares

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not maniplulating using emotions

I was palying based on logic alone and I was being scum readed for being different. No one will change their read on me till they see I can be the way I am atm. No one is listening to the points I make till they see that this is my town meta so my flip is practically more beneficial to game and to myself.

you don't need to feel bad about it. You don't need to fell anything about it. I'm not trying to chnage any of your reads. I'm saying i won't replace out and I won't play the game untill my flip is out.

Pinkie swear

now vote me.

[Frozen Angel]

I think saying because anor l-2 they weren't in a postion to claim is a noobish conjuncture. Rc took the vote off i suspect to prevent derp hammers. So any one saying but it's l-2 being completely an utterly noobish.

That being said there pepo With his recent activity i can see him being scum.


pedit"Fa that's a stupid thing to role claim. Beside that role makes me think your scum. What utility would a 1 shot town rolestopper have as town.

I didn't claimed to be town readed. I claimed my true role.

[Frozen Angel]

Grey weren't you scumreading me? are you scared? come on. vote you're made up scum read.

pedit : so why you're not voting antora?

pedit : no you're not RC. You're not open to reconsidering and that's fine. lets not waste my time. I joined the game cause you asked me to. I had no intention for doing that, me replaing out will just cause a poor guy getting into trouble. just lynch me and get this over with.

and no I don't remember that game. I'm exhausted, and I just don't want to annoy you and myself anymore. Please reread Grey. I think Garmr is town. look at aliese carefully.

and if grey flipped red anotora is scum with them. pep seems more like a low hanging fruit - but I might be wrong. Fire is town and if you are scum then the game is already lost for this town.

bye

[Frozen Angel]

I know Fire won't change his read on me - unless if I apease to him like old times. I know you're just going to say this is my ate for running away from pressure. i don't think garmr and grey will chnage their reads. There is just no hope for my slot in later game and my role seems more anti-town so I don't give a fuck.

may god be with you all

[Frozen Angel]

We're only 48 hours into the game. Considering how fast things the game is moving and how worked up we can get, if Frozen is town, then the most pro-town thing for her to do would be to step back, take a rest, and come back to play tomorrow.

I won't do that, now you can vote me

[Frozen Angel]

There is no way for my slot to live longer than day 2. I'm just trying to end my suffering faster, then you can actually play and I can calm myself

[Frozen Angel]

oh I see you want to keep me for further day mislycnhes. I understand

[Frozen Angel]

this is not an amotional break down.

I've never been clamer ever. I'm thinking clearly. I changed my read about you cause my points weren't matching after our discussion. did you miss that garmr? and no I didnt try to justify it and I never cried to anyone - before our interction I asked for pressure to have that intercation with you.

I had not even a single inconsistancy and not even a single scummy thing and I'm not scum. Don't be pissed off. My lynch is better for you all. Let me go so you have a less mislycnh bait in later days. at this rate I will just cause the town loose and my existance is harming the town. - my points about grey all are accurate and definite, after my green flip please check him out -.

[Frozen Angel]

If we believe you when you say you're town, then we shouldn't lynch your slot. It's not complicated.

But you (or the town version you're pretending you are) don't believe that. so what are you getting at?

basically more than half of the influential players who have a history with me in this game announced a scumread on me. I'm not defending myself and I can't defend myself when thats just how they feel. so I'm better not playing at all

me replacing out will make things more complicated and will annoy people (the one's I care) as much as my lynch will - so yeah lynhing me makes total sense.

lets have 1 less mislynch bait, It will reak my no mislynch history in MS as well (in 50 games - beside once in lylo) but thats fine too! I just need to show everyone hey - you need to stop and cut the crap at some point. Its just beneficial for me and town so lets do this.

[Frozen Angel]

it is a emotional breakdown because if it wasn't you wouldn't of claimed and been dramatic. It would of been best of you to do something else like keep it in or replace out or find a positive way to express like hunting even harder.

Its not dramatic nor tragic

Its the best decision you all are talking about but you won't vote for. I ask RC why he is ignoring me and in response he mentions my scum meta.

I can't play in this environment and I just don't want to be the reason town loses later. so just get rid of me day 1.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think it's fair or reasonable for you to say that I have no intention of changing my read on you after how many times that I've done so.

You all did. You all will change your read as soon as I apease to you, make a rampage in game and I was doing that as town and scum. I won't do that anymore.

I know what you're capable of RC (to be able to read me maybe - You're the only person who can do that). I just can't be the one you will town read - the old FA - in this game even though I'm town so I'm just trying to back off and let you all play without wifom

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm asking you to not be annoyed on yourself. Just hate me - be annoyed about me. You are doing nothing wrong. I'm the one who has problem.

[Frozen Angel]

can you first lynch me then think about possible associates? it will just waste your time.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't ask you to be. I just asked you to do your best to play the game.

I can't do that sorry

That's because I suck

can you please lynch me? <3

[Frozen Angel]

No worries! I'm voting myself instead of you.

ask others to do the rest.

[Frozen Angel]

I just want two things :

1 - don't be annoyed at yourselves - you didn't do anything wrong. I'm just not ready for a game mentally

2 - don't be upset after my green flip, spescially you RC. Balme me as much as you want. but don't blame yourselves.

and I have nothing to add but asking you to look back at the anotora contradictions and my iso, and my points about Grey. thanks! I prefer to be lynched day one instead of a later day.

[Frozen Angel]

No I will be lynched today. You can do your pepo whatever push tomorrow when My points are set s=in stone about you with my green flip. this is not a bastard game and there are peopl in this who will follow up my reads after my flip - I believe in that ; my green flip will destroy you I promise.

no please vote for your top tier scumread to prove your not scared.

[Frozen Angel]

I won't be mislynched in any day after this.

so get your fucking votes on my wagon now.

[Frozen Angel]

No I can't

[Frozen Angel]

I won't be mislynched in any day after this.

so get your fucking votes on my wagon now.

You're right about that. You won't be a mislynch.

After Pepto flips red, your motives will be crystal clear even to the skeptics that don't want to believe you'd be so desperate to derail the wagon on your buddy that you resorted to AtE after your chainsaw didn't work.

don't go with semantics with me.

You want me for a later mislynch cause you know lynching me today is hard, and if you push it, you're doomed. You have no practical reasoning for scumreading me and you can't support you're case - cause you can;t say why the thing you are pointing out as your reason for scumreading me are scummy. You're just a scum trapped here.

minds of some of the really good players in this game are busy with thinking about me and wifoms about my meta and the game won't calm down before my lynch. You don't want it to clam down that's why you're avoiding voting me now.

MY lynch is pretty possible today If you just vote me now - You're just scared though. You don't have it in you

[Frozen Angel]

You RC FB declared sperate degrees of scum reads on me. Practically whoever knows me and my meta in this game.

I call that a general conscious.

pedit : stop sarcasm and vote your scumread who is voting herself.

[Frozen Angel]

I am not using ATE at all

This is not the same behavior I shown in past

This is the first time I'm truthfully asking for getting lynched and I won't stop asking that till thats done.

[Frozen Angel]

and no one enabled me anyhow.

I got enabled when you, FB and RC the three players who know me started scumreading me based on meta- two of you avoided discussing it and you're not going to put the differense aside anyway.

and no one will listen to my grey case when this wifom is around me

I'm a slot that will evenatually get lynched - has to wifom around - you all claim to scumread - claimed an antitown role - can't get her shit together

so yep I'm playing toward my wincondition and I'm serious.

[Frozen Angel]

Honestly with the way you messed up this game I wouldn't mind if you got modkilled. Seriously what what the point of claiming.

The point was that the role is more anti town that I wasn't going to use. I'm sure there are inves in this town so I wouldn't wanna mess with them (when ether is also a miller claim)

I claimed cause there is no point in keeping my slot alive.

@mod I am playing to win; I just made a list of reasoning why dead me is beneficial for town ,and I think I'm being nice to every single player in game. I'm sorry if I wasn't nice anyway.

[Frozen Angel]

Do yo want town to win or your friends?

I don't undersand you're question

[Frozen Angel]

I honsetly don't understand you're problem garmer that you say you wish I get modkilled. I didn't break any rules. I'm practically calm atm. I'm not doing anything stupid and I'm trying to lynch your scumread.

whats you're problem with that?

[Frozen Angel]

You seem to show a personal out of game connection with some people.
Do you want town to win or your friends?

I want town win. are you accusing me that I have biased reads on the players I know more?

[Frozen Angel]

anyway I'm going to sleep

feel free to lynch me when I'm gone!

with love

[Frozen Angel]

I was voting you

[Frozen Angel]

If I'm going to get mislynched anyway, its better to be on me to remove the wifom on me and actually make others to see my points about you.

[Frozen Angel]

good night

[Frozen Angel]

Pepo is not my buddy

No one is

Though thats not on me to prove (its a fallacy you're throwoing that on me) it will be proven soon enough - starting with you're vote on me

[Frozen Angel]

It's easy to call a lie a mistake after you're called out on it.

If she can't get simple details right, she needs to replace out if she's actually town because her analysis is worthless.

The only way her staying in game after making "mistake" after "mistake" after "mistake" (six thus far) makes any sense at all is if she's scum.

not getting the order of events right because of a duplicate unvote and missing a text structure are not lies.

You fail to explain why those mistakes are scummy - so you're just trying to make some shit up here and get a fish from this muddy water.

But that's fine. People will read this again after my green flip - Today

[Frozen Angel]

It's not Grey's concern to convince you that he is town. It is his concern to lynch and find scum.

The fact how I will read him is not on him.

The fact how he plays and answers my question is.

Stop trying to teach me mafia K? Being self centered and practicing a dictatorship and fake leadership is the first step of loosing a game and I saw that happen 10 times more than all the games you played so far. And the point is it's easily fakable as scum and it's normally what scums try to be like in games cause they can easily manipulate the lynches and still stay like town.

Grey - if can't answer my questions regarding his scum read on me - is a fake one

[Frozen Angel]

Hey, you wanna know what would be really cool? If you could stop talking.

see your not the first who asked that and you won't be the last!

Now vote me

[Frozen Angel]

if it's omgus where is the vote?

I meant conceptional. he was the first one who declared a scum read on me and the fact he didn't vote directly is irrelevant.

[Frozen Angel]

@mlooney. Yeah sometimes people can make mistakes but seriously she's done it before then she has done it with me this game. After multiple times you got to start wondering.

No mistakes.

I need to die today for the reasons I listed. now if you're town or scum get on with it.

and stop trying to tell people lies. Thats not my emotional rampage. If it was I was either modkilled or force replaced by now. As I said I don't care about how you feel about me personally. So much wifom is around my slot and I know it's just hurting town.

[Frozen Angel]

A. They aren't contributing.
B. They're flailing
C. Scum can hide under the noise she's making

A. I contributed but no one is listening
B. I'm definitely not flailing
C. So vote me!

why is that so hard

[Frozen Angel]

Grey = house

Nope. I kinda wish people confused me with Albert B Rampage, been reading his wiki articles and he seems cool as hell.

Don't even comparable

If you're town don't even compare your shitty play to him at all.

[with love and respect though]

[Frozen Angel]

A. Not with this vote me shit.
B. Yes you are.
C. No, you're lynch bait.

A. Oh but I am contributing with this. Look at how people reacted to this. RC is more full of guilt atm before making me flip and Grey is scared to push me when with his crap reasoning that he can't back up I'm as scummy as pep. His best chance for lynching me is to do that later in game when game is just full of paranoid people about my slot.
B. No I'm not
C. Thats why I need to die early in game, rather than being held as a pupet for late game mislynch like the way RC wants to

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen angel stop voting yourself

Yes sir!

You want nothing else sir?

What's the point of not voting myself when without it you can't town read me in any game and all my points are going to get ignored?

[Frozen Angel]

Tell you what, you vote your scum reads and stop talking about lynching yourself I'll town read you

Nah, You didn't even read the whole conversations till this point.

[Frozen Angel]

Huh...So this is just all one huge reaction test...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65639

Look at how I got two tracker guilty in row in that game as a claimed macho tracker day 1 when they had a roleblocker?

Now reread my iso and tell me what you see.

[Frozen Angel]

I thought you wanted me to townread you?

I want you to actually care about lynching scum more than being trapped in you're every game wifom about me.

[Frozen Angel]

Why did you post this again?

to say If I wanted to reaction test I would do it like that

[Frozen Angel]

I thought you wanted me to townread you?

I want you to actually care about lynching scum more than being trapped in you're every game wifom about me.

I do care about lynching scum....I am just more apathetic day one.
I would like to take my focus on other players but you are trying to control all dialogues right now.

Btw that new avi looks bad, how is it being a member of Ana army?
Also did you go back to the school or work?

That's why I asked you to actually read the thing before start giving out opinions about it. Your always apathetic when we are playing together - that's not a news to me.

If you want to focus on other players you need to read the thing first as well.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean I honestly don't townread frozen as most things she has done I can see her doing as scum.
I'd say she is more null now though.

Screenplay I haven't seen many posts lately, why is he townread for you?

yep whats your point.

I'm asking you to lynch me to end this wifom.

and you just saw that? I'm now null after appeasing to him! Like every single damn game we played together

You man; You never tried to read me based on play. You have some imaginations about me in your head and your evaluating me based on them every single time. News : Your imaginations are mostly wrong

[Frozen Angel]

You know I play this way so that I don't blow up right?
I hate getting invested in games, I'd prefer to keep myself at shoulder distance from game at all times.

So how's things going in life frozen? You go back to work/school?

I want you to read the game and conversations instead of having this conversation with me.

I am yeah - very sooner than I should but they needed to fill a class and they had no one to replace me with - so yeah I'm teaching again. and life is actually sweet but really hard atm ...

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen how are your reads lookin.

{Firebringer}
{Aliese}
{Garmr}
{Sreen play , mlmooney89}
{Radiantcowbells , Pep}
{Grey , Anotora}

Lurker/Low content : Secret Agent Jin, Obvious Alt, kentofan

[Frozen Angel]

Lurker/Low content : Secret Agent Jin, Obvious Alt, kentofan

I won't vomit reads. Reads must be built naturally and based on content.

[Frozen Angel]

{Firebringer}

and this is mostly because of my role. My role makes sense as a mess up for town/scum inves and a miller perfectly fit with this simple setup assumption. Plus scum!Fire wouldn't do the things that I described earlier.

[Frozen Angel]

This game is retarded.

IKR

sorry If I'm not a fun person to be played with.

[Frozen Angel]

@Mod

Kentofan confirmed his role pm yet?

I mean If wasn't making that read list I wouldn't realize we are 12 not 13... They don't have even a single post in game

[Frozen Angel]

ok sure

[Frozen Angel]

Kentofan has approximately 13 hours to respond before I replace them.

you just missed this RC?

[Frozen Angel]

like the way you can deal with my slot later?

[Frozen Angel]

I have a scum lean on you based on the fact you said you asking anotora to claim was a reaction test.

what that test told you pep?

[Frozen Angel]

He seems kinda sure he won't get lynched

what implied that?

what about Jin post is what you agree on? can you be more precise with your points?

[Frozen Angel]

what good points

[Frozen Angel]

Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

what the hell is this

[Frozen Angel]

You say you believe pep is town and you want to lynch him to justify your pushing grey in a next day. and your entire case on grey had no relation to pep at all - It was all about my slot.

[Frozen Angel]

You say you believe pep is town and you want to lynch him to justify your pushing grey in a next day. and your entire case on grey had no relation to pep at all - It was all about my slot.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: secret agent Jin

that post was so bad ... So bad

Pep answer my questions

[Frozen Angel]

Their all in this page :/

[Frozen Angel]

Intent to hammer pep

Where are your answers

[Frozen Angel]

FA, I'm not seeing the post where SAJ reads Pepcho as town. Yes, SAJ ought to put more explanation into his vote, but it's not as scummy as if he had contradicted his own read.

- He is voting pep cause people said they want to move on with the day - but his slot has no reason to want that - contradiction #1
- His case on grey in this post

Besides the rude, blatant question-ignoring, hand waving that Grey is doing time after time and the insistence that Pepperoni Ronin be pushed to a lynch, he goes and does the quoted above. He says FA isnt viewed as scum yet he calls her scum on the same page, like two posts later. This needs to die today

perfectly implies that he is unsatisfied with greys pep push. - he practically contradicted his own case by voting like that.

- The case was bout how grey was mocking me and insisting on pep scummy. he is saying a pep lynch will justify his read on Grey is another contradiction.

[Frozen Angel]

I knew you answered the first question cause I asked a question based on your answer. why you felt you had to remind me you answered it?

what remarks are you referring to? why you didn't quote them?

and where is your answer to my question about Jin?

[Frozen Angel]

You said this about anotora "He made some cocky remarks and this is something that is really suspicious to me."

but you are not quoting any post supporting your case

and you are repetitively dodging to talk about Jin

pedit : I saw your response - let me put some posts together before going further with this

[Frozen Angel]

Besides the rude, blatant question-ignoring, hand waving that Grey is doing time after time and the insistence that Pepperoni Ronin be pushed to a lynch, he goes and does the quoted above. He says FA isnt viewed as scum yet he calls her scum on the same page, like two posts later. This needs to die today

This was SAj post you're saying you are agreeing with everything but maybe the angel thing which means the bolded right?

So you are saying you believe Grey is rude , hand waving that he is doing time after time and you believe he is pushing you for a lynch

so why you acted like you support SAJ vote when you practically are not agreeing with his justifications?

[Frozen Angel]

And would prefer to be kept at an L-1

oO

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not dodging talking about Jin. There are just to many posts and find it hard to respond to everything. Tho I will not dodge question on purpose. Sk if I don't answer anything just hit me back with it.

About Jin I don't know what I could really talk about him. He has made very little posts. I agree with most of his things said for Grey since they are comming from thensame mindset as mine. That doesn't explain his obviously strange vote on me tho.

The question about Jin was in the same post. You can't possibly answer to one question and miss another

[Frozen Angel]

Cause till now you were actually pretending that you think Grey is just a misguided town who is wrong,

and you suddenly have a secret case on him.

and SAJ vote on you was pure fake - I am really interested to know that if you're interest in his posts is as well or not.

[Frozen Angel]

I rather play it safe and hammer at the same time Frozen does.
Speaking about that
Frozen, I'm going to bed within the next half hour.

I really like to have the missing slot replaced before night start and to see what people say about the points I just mentioned about SAJ post before a lynch happens.

[Frozen Angel]

In that case I will gladly not hammer Pep until I see said replacement.

<3

Carrying an empty slot to night is an extremely stupid move. The game deadline will pause after a lynch happen - till mod finds a replacement anyway so hammering now is just killing the chance of discussions.

RC knows better to advertise otherwise.

[Frozen Angel]

why you said expect maybe for Angel part?

when he tried to provoke me?

what about him using sarcasm or being rude is scummy?

SAJ mentioned "he is ignoring questions". whay you didn't talk about it when you shown intrest when its not in you're case?

why this case is presented now when its about actions that happened pages ago?

[Frozen Angel]

I've don't belive I said Grey is misguided town. I said he has been a null going up and down till I actually got points that I have been pointing out in previous posts.

No, my interest in SAJ post isn't fake. I simply like the way he presented it and I think it is mostly right, so I said it. I See nothing wrong tbh.

But why

all the points you're mentioning are for pages ago. what changed?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think SAJ post #1058 (the Pepcho vote) is scummy for the same reasons that FA has stated, but it sure is opportunistic as hell.

what do you mean when you say opportunistic?

[Frozen Angel]

Because I disliked your behavior to a big extent in the conflict too. Especially the emotional ending. But I'm not going at you for that.

The whole thing really looked like a provocation. It's more of a feel then actual word. And honestly seeing how it all eneded it did look like a provocation even if it was not intentional that explains his way of thinking wich for me doesn't come from a towns mindset.

Well how is constant sarcasm cockiness and rudeness good for town if it's not scummy?

I did talk about him ignoring questions. Please reread the last two paragraphs. But he isn't only ignoring my question. He is constantly doing something, not explaining it and then not answering questions related to it KNOWINGLY.

so you think we shouldn't make a case on the post a person made 5-10 pages before? They were made yesterday, so I think they are still pretty fresh.

he never said he liked my actions so why "expect for angel part" regarding his post? and just to clarify my actions were anything but emotional.

ok you assumed its about your questions.makes more sense now

I believe you can make a case on events of past. But when nothing is cahnegd since then why you're read is changed from null that was going up and down is suddenly is down like that? What triggered you're change of heart ? ...

[Frozen Angel]

What changed in what? Your questions are really confusing me sometimes.

But if you mean what got me to belive that grey is scummier and remove him from bei null? What he did in my lynch and later one in the way he handled to confrontation with you. I was already annoyed by his behavior, so there is a point that is being constant troughout the pages.

You said "I said he has been a null going up and down till I actually got points that I have been pointing out in previous posts. "

I asked why The points in you're case are from pages ago. why those points are now changing you're read on grey?

[Frozen Angel]

either don't quote the quotes and avoid quote walls

or do it correctly with tags

Please!

[Frozen Angel]

I mean there's a strong possibility that SAJ only L-1'ed Pepcho in hopes of Pepcho getting hammered very soon, and the day ending very soon.

This is not just a possibility

He obviously voted to just end the day.

if its a buss or just a very anti-town approach is the question