Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Quagmire]

Although I would like to add that I'm glad you're leaving. I hope you leave the site for good.

[Battle Mage]

Although I would like to add that I'm glad you're leaving. I hope you leave the site for good.

You my friend, are a fucktard. If anyone should leave the site, it is you, because it is you who offends everybody, not TS/DGB.

BM

[JordanA24]

QFT the above

[zu_Faul]

Feels like first page again. Stop fooling around, ABR is not the one we're looking for today.

posts like this make me want to put the noose around your neck. But, i'll humour you. Why are so sure that ABR is town?

While we're asking questions, why do you think he's scum?

I don't like how you ducked BM's question here zu_faul.

Yeah? That's your problem. I just don't think ABR is scummy in this game, isn't that obvious? I also don't like your attitude but this has nothing to do with the game.

[Peers]

You both need to chill the heck out. You're both decent players when you actually play the game and not antagonize everyone else...

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Ergo, MoS contradicts himself. He should get lynched (and raped)

Unvote Vote: Mastermind of Sin

[PJ.]

Unvote Vote MoS

I'm with K-Scope

[Mastermind of Sin]

And you two should get castrated for blatant stupidity in those last two posts. But none of us are going to get our wish, are we?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

It's a policy lynch, MoS. I doubt I have to explain you that, no? <3

[Quagmire]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]It's a policy lynch, MoS. I doubt I have to explain you that, no? <3[/quote]

Apparently someone has to explain to you that it's not YET AGAIN, because you just choose to ignore it every single time someone says otherwise. Numbskull.

[Yosarian2]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]It's a policy lynch, MoS. I doubt I have to explain you that, no? <3[/quote]

unvote:TS

vote:KaleiDoscope

MOS's TS vote actualyl makes perfect sense, she really did look quite scummy. You "policy voting" MOS or whatever shows that either you're not really paying attention to the game, that you're scum hoping to get a mislynch based on emotion, or that you're TS's scumbuddy.

[schismatized]

This game is turning into garbage.
[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Ergo, MoS contradicts himself. He should get lynched (and raped)

Unvote Vote: Mastermind of Sin

[/quote]

vote kscope

you need to stop trying to instigate trouble and just play the game.

[Battle Mage]

are we really back at the random voting stage again?

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. They are voting Kalei for some reason.

I still think MoS is jester or vanilla.

[Peers]

There's no point in having a jester in the game, really.

Right now, we've suffered such a loss of momentum that nobody's really sure what's going on anymore... when was our last votecount?

[Yosarian2]

Nothing random about my vote at all, BM. I think there's a fair chance Kalei is a scum who's attempting to take avantage of the emotions created by TS's post.

[Toaster Strudel]

Here's another contribution that is going to suck the fun out of the game and that no one will appreciate, especially Yosarian2.

Yosarian2 a.k.a. "The Wagon Derailing Machine"

Defends BM, argues with Panzer

Post #0 - Rails against Panzer for voting BM
Post #1 - Rails against Panzer for voting BM some more, feels strongly about votes against BM being really scummy.
Post #2 - Rails against Panzer for voting BM some more, vehemently protects BM concerning a really big scary page 1 vote.
Post #3 - Absurd argument with Peers over the worth of random vs. non-random page 1 votes.
Post #4 - Votes

Neo-Viper

on account of his vote against BM being even scummier than Panzer's, defends the "easy lynch" BM.

Switched off arguing with Panzer, defends hasdfas

This post is a kicker. So I am giving you all the link so that you can see for yourselves:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 765#830765
Post #6 - Suddenly likes Panzer. Extracts two posts from hasdfas. Quote #1: "As he well knows, I like reasons behind votes" Quote #2: "ok. this bandwagon seems to have more behind it than the BM one. unvote, vote:peers"
Why is this post especially interesting? That's because he voted Neo-Viper for far sillier reasons. hasdfas, however, who has sinned twice as much as Neo-Viper, is not vote-worthy. Why not?
Here's more bizarre stuff:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 300#832300
Post #7 - This is followed by a vote on Sikario8, without explanations. Remember how Yosarian2 berated players that did not give explanations earlier in the game and even voted for them.
Post #8 - Here Yosarian2 explains why he's voting Sikario8. Pay attention:
"Sikario8's lurking, followed by a "I'm alive and reading" post, was scummy.

His hasdgfas vote also seemed a bit odd.

And when I voted for him because of that, he fos'd me for voting him? Not helping."

Attacks MoS but not too much

Post #20 - "Anyway, I move that we just keep piling votes on MOS until he starts making sense." Not lynch; just pile votes.
Post #23 - Interrupts MoS wagon in favor of a Quagmire wagon. Not lynch; just for him to read his role PM.

Starts Quagmire wagon but derails it last minute without demanding a claim as proof of reading the PM

Attacks MoS

Post #25 - Unvotes Quagmire for fear of (argh!) a Quagmire hammer.
Post #26 - Back to voting MoS as promised.
Post #27 - When Yosarian2 is asked to explain why he unvoted Quagmire on his word that he read him PM, he answers: "He could very well be scum, the whole thing could have been a scum gambit or he might have just discovered that he was scum, but eh, now that we've shut down the whole "I didn't read my PM" thing,

I think MOS is scummier looking.

"

Attacks TS for voting Quag; defends Quag

Post #27 - Players voting for Quag are looking for "easy lynch."
Post #28 - Defends Quag, punctuated with smiley emoticons.
Post #29 - Strongly defends Quag against Sikario8 argument.
Post #30 - Yosarian's scumlist: 1. Toaster Strudel (for voting Quag) 2. Mastermind of Sin (to keep with his earlier promise)
3. Sikario8 (for voting Quag).
Post #34 - Very worried about TS: "Might as well just lynch her now, rather then make the mod replace her so we can lynch the replacement."

Defends ABR

Post #30 - "Well, you know, the case on ABR really dosn't have any substance."

Suddenly switches gear and defends MoS

Post #35 - "MOS's TS vote actually makes perfect sense, she really did look quite scummy." and: "that you're scum

hoping to get a mislynch

based on emotion" - isn't this strange given that Yosarian2 has been calling MoS "scum" all along and MoS is #2 on this scumlist?

IN SUMMARY

(1) Yosarian defends a lot of players.

In my experience

, this is something that scum tends to do to gain credibility later in the game, and also "to mix things up" with false leads.
(2) Yosarian tends to derail a lot of wagons, to slow them down, and to switch allegiance.
(3) Yosarian has come down hard on MoS early on, but now attacks players that vote for MoS (who Yosarian claims to think is scum), and calls these players scum.
(4) Yosarian has come down on Quag, but has saved him from the hammer, on the flimsiest of pretenses.

I'm giving the information.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's Yosarian's style. I've been with him in over half a dozen games and he's always quick on the defensive and slow on the offensive whether scum or town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

(2) Yosarian tends to derail a lot of wagons, to slow them down, and to switch allegiance.

This is actually a good thing, now isn't it ? Shows he wants the day to go on longer and isn't afraid to lose credibility by changing his mind.

(4) Yosarian has come down on Quag, but has saved him from the hammer, on the flimsiest of pretenses.

Actually he did exactly what he said he would. I don't agree with his unvote, in fact I think its stupid to do so, however I can't say its particularly scummy to not push for a claim.

[Peers]

I'm giving the information.

Draw your own conclusions.

....



Can't wait to read the rebuttal on this one.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm giving the information.

Draw your own conclusions.

....

Can't wait to read the rebuttal on this one.

Me too - There's a lot of monkeying around in Yos's contribution that I can't explain myself. He deserves scrutiny.

[Toaster Strudel]

(2) Yosarian tends to derail a lot of wagons, to slow them down, and to switch allegiance.

This is actually a good thing, now isn't it ? Shows he wants the day to go on longer and isn't afraid to lose credibility by changing his mind.

That's one way to interpret it. There are more cynical interpretations, especially if he's derailing every wagon, know what I mean? The only time he pushes, it's for pressure, and he states this explicitly. He's adamant about not pushing for a lynch. To do it to that extent, and that consistently, is weird. Is it scummy? Is it pro-town? You be the judge.

(4) Yosarian has come down on Quag, but has saved him from the hammer, on the flimsiest of pretenses.

Actually he did exactly what he said he would. I don't agree with his unvote, in fact I think its stupid to do so, however I can't say its particularly scummy to not push for a claim.

I know that Yosarian said he would do that. But why did he promise this in the first place? Give it some thought.

Once you come that far on a wagon, and a player needs so much pressure to make a post that claims he read his role PM, isn't it important that this player prove his honesty by claiming?

You have to believe that Quag actually didn't read his PM in the first place; then you have to believe he read it when he said he did.

I'm not willing to take this kind of guff from a player - unless he's my scumbuddy and I really need him to read his PM (haha!), or unless I'm scum and I know he's town and I want to be credited for saving his skin later... but hey... I reckon there's more than one explanation for Yosarian's behavior in this game.

I did spend over a hour preparing that post, and if you too take the time to look at the details, there's a great deal in Yosarian's contribution that is, a minimum, unsettling.

[Toaster Strudel]

Analyzing:
hasdfas a.k.a. "God forbid we should lynch Quagmire"

Special love for MoS

Post #0 - semi-random vote: Mastermind of Sin. What's that all about?
Post #1 - Wimpy rebuttal after being attacked for a "semi-random" vote. What's that all about?
Post #11 - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 349#834349 - what's that all about?
Post #17 - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 485#853485 - pays special attention to MoS, asking him reasons for voting Jordan. What's that all about?

Contradicts himself

Post #3 - berates votes unsupported by reasons.
Post #4 - votes Peers unsupported by reasons.
Post #5 - is sad that Jordan, schis, and ABR aren't berated for voting without reason.
Post #6 - defends himself against the players that noticed his contradictions.

Admits to a complete lack of independent thinking

Post #8 - admits his reasons for voting Peers are exactly the same as other players.
Post #10 - repeats his reason are exactly the same as other players, saying "See: everyone's posts about him."

Meekly defends Sikario8

Post #12 - "leaning town on Sikario."
Post #13 - keeps up pressure on the main Peers wagon, away from Sikario8.

Defends Quagmire early on, in the middle, and at the end of the wagon

Even defends people that aren't voting Quag!!!

Votes players that (ack!) suggest we should lynch Quag!!!

Does not even question that Quagmire may be lying about it

Post #20 - Not reading role PM isn't anti-town, because the Day 1 lynch is random.
Post #21 - Thinks it's really pro-town not to read your PM,

especially if Quagmire is scum.

Post #22 - Maintains, against common sense, that Quag not reading his PM is really pro-town.
Post #23 - "just because someone [...] doesn't want to lynch Quag doesn't make them scum."
Post #23 - Quag not reading his role PM is

really great!!!

Post #24 - Attacks AND FOS's Sikario8 for going as far as saying we should

actually lynch

Quag.
Post #30 - Demands more pressure be put on Peers, a nice old wagon he might be able to revive.

Strudel must be done away with

Post #34 - "TS doesn't seem to be here to defend herself. We can make the mod's job a lot easier if we lynch someone that scummy today."
WOW. I'm surprised that post didn't jump at people.
Post #13 - keeps up pressure on the main Peers wagon, away from Sikario8.

Directs the vig

Post #34 - towards Peers. Why?

Because, hasdfas says:
Let's VIG Peers is still here to

defend himself

.
Let's LYNCH TS, who is

not here to defend herself

.

IN SUMMARY

(1) I don't know what's going on with the defense, then fleeting accusations against Sikario8. Maybe some other player can try to interpret this?
(3) That special attention hasdfas pays MoS...
(2) Just like Yosarian, defends Quagmire.
(4) Just like Yosarian, wants to get rid of me - does not state his own reasons as usual; relies on other people's.
(5) Dear players, please ask yourself what agenda hasdfas might have, that he'd want to lynch the person that can't defend herself, and vig the person that can. Please please please ask yourselves.

Another hour, another long long long post... just me sucking the fun out of the game as usual. I just make games stagnate and lose their focus. I apologize!

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's one way to interpret it. There are more cynical interpretations, especially if he's derailing every wagon, know what I mean? The only time he pushes, it's for pressure, and he states this explicitly. He's adamant about not pushing for a lynch. To do it to that extent, and that consistently, is weird. Is it scummy? Is it pro-town? You be the judge.

He isn't pushing for a claim either. Which means he pushes wagons to see if players change their playstyle under pressure. This is pro-town.

I know that Yosarian said he would do that. But why did he promise this in the first place? Give it some thought.

Because he didn't want Quag to fall back on the argument that all his posts
on Day1 are not scummy because he didn't read his role pm. Once he reads his role pm, he can then be viewed as scummy.

The argument that I put forth was that we should lynch Quag regardless, because every post prior to reading his role pm cannot be viewed as scummy, and he has wasted our time with his unusual, fun-breaking tactic.

Once you come that far on a wagon, and a player needs so much pressure to make a post that claims he read his role PM, isn't it important that this player prove his honesty by claiming?

You have to believe that Quag actually didn't read his PM in the first place; then you have to believe he read it when he said he did.

Him reading his pm or not does not make him town or scum, just anti-town. The only reason we bandwagonned him was because we didn't want him to resort to saying "oh that doesn't count because I didn't read my pm at the time". Atrocious play, yes, even worse that he revealed that he didn't read it, but it doesn't say anything about his role. If he comes up on day2 and says "guys I lied, I really didn't read it", LAL. Immediate policy lynch. I still want him to claim, but at least I understand the other side's arguments. Do you ?

[Toaster Strudel]

I still want him to claim, but at least I understand the other side's arguments. Do you ?

I do; but I find the other's side's argument less convincing than those that require a claim.

Their argument is based on taking Quag's arguments on face value. I don't know about you; but I find it very difficult to trust a player that pulls the kind of antic Quagmire pulled.

There's only one thing that nearly everyone is going to agree on regarding Quag's play. Someway, somehow, he's jerking us around.

(1) Did he really not read his role PM?
(2) What is his agenda in claiming he didn't read it, scum, or town agenda? Why did he reveal that he didn't read the PM?
(3) Did he really read his role PM when he said he did?

That's jerking us around, not matter how you look at it, no matter whether he read his bloody role PM or when. Why did he do this? And is it pro-town?