Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

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I hardclaim town.

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Was hoping to flip scum but alas, we are where we are

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Sheep slipped. He spoke like he wasn't part of town.

VOTE: sheep

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I absolutely trust that - you should place a vote so the rest of town can sheep you.

Yeah Gerry! Preferably for one of the people mentioned in your role PM!

R u calling me maf

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yes he slipped there

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Sheep slipped. He spoke like he wasn't part of town.

You should vote me if I did that.
When and how did I do that?

he also didn't deny to slipping, he just wants to know where he did lmao.

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someone else vote so i can activate my 1 shot triple vote

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I hardclaimed town. You can't be suspect of me

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gerryoat - unlike the others I have played with them before and I can't eliminate the possibility that they truly believed it was a slip.

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please ignore her read on me. Last game we were both town and she scumread me for no reason even tho i was 2/3 in getting mafs

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At least me saying something was a slip got this game moving out of RVS. lmao

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My role is powerful btw. So I don't get lynched today

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Do frogs and sheeps not get along in the animal kingdom

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sheep vs frog vs hawk. who will win

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UNVOTE:

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I dont think the sheep 'slip' thing is enough to lynch him today btw

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Look forward to it

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Replace Terata with Gerry and we're in business.

explain the scumread on me

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Replace Terata with Gerry and we're in business.

explain the scumread on me

When I get home.

ok. i'll be here waiting for you

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I'll actually read later on.

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Spoiler: Why I think Gerry is scum

58, 134, 136, and 152

What first pinged me about Gerry before I did my first reread of his ISO was his 58. On the surface it looks like just filler, but if you look and think it about it on a deeper level, he's arguable treating himself as confirmed town that shouldn't be considered for a lynch today by anyone for getting the game out of RVS as well as starting a wagon on Sheep.

Fast forward to a bit to 134, he does the same thing again by discrediting not only Naomi's read on him but also her as a player by bringing up a previous game without any context in which he claims he got two members of the scum team lynched.

136 is self explanatory.

I'm inclined to believe 152 is more scum motivated than town motivated and it only reinforces my read on him. He's hints at a PR of some sort and says he shouldn't be lynched today. There was no pressure on him at the time and the overall focus was on Sheep as well as the various arguments Frog was getting into so it was odd for him to drop that soft like it's hot and just leave. Scum have more to gain by bread crumbing in my opinion. It helps them with fake claiming and it can potential draw doctors and jail keepers to them.

TL:DR: Gerry has been been basically treating himself as confirmed town since RVS ended.

I think Gerry tried to distance from Sheep early and it sort of backfired a bit. I also think he could be just scum that tried to spread and pray on paranoia early and Sheep is town.

If we lynch Gerry today, we'll probably feel a lot better about Sheep's alignment

ah ok. you're wrong tho. and i already said i was a powerful role.

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who? me? lol

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Bro your iso has less useful information than the nutritional facts memo on a bottle of water.

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^last line was really forced.

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bruh... did you really claim that fast lol. I'll actually reread and give my reads in a bit.

rolestopper is usually a maf role i think tho. unless we have like a vig or something..

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Gonna be honest, this is a prod dodge post.

But, I like the posts of aj, he might be town. And sheep is growing on me

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he's day cop he checked me day 1

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I'll actually read later on.

I'll actually reread and give my reads in a bit.

Gonna be honest, this is a prod dodge post.

So...you going to do this all game?

yes. lol

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welcome fitz

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Gerry!

Lmao

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Gonna be without internet for the night.

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sheep honestly isnt even that scummy, seems like he ha that early wagon cause of me and then ppl just kept pushing hoping for a lynch

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get an avatar lol please

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get an avatar lol please

I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.

ok. i think wheme is maf based on reactions. i think penguin might be a good vote too

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Like what kinda reaction is that to me saying you're maf.

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mkay, skimmed it.
Besides pointing out a slip, what has Garrybote done all game?
Litterally nothing.
His ISO screams that he's a scum PR who just wants to coast.

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I am pr. You got that part right. Doc on me. Unless I'm doc and that's wifom lol

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I just said before you came in who I scum read. Just look

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Gerry answer my previous statement in response to your earlier post.

quote?

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get an avatar lol please

I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.

ok. i think wheme is maf based on reactions. i think penguin might be a good vote too

Which reactions in particular?

Why is Penguin a good lynch?

Answer this an I'll get an avatar, because what you said isn't being productive it's saying something with nothing backing it up.

I mean look at the reaction after i said that. Also look at how he was like "you can lynch me if blah blah blah" just sounds forced to try and sound town

And penguin was doing shit even when he posted, but tried to get on me about it

now go get the avi

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dont have a tr.

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and the others were just answered

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cause no one is that townie. and like i said im pr.

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where have i shouted at all? lol. wheme is still scum

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gonna be honest, idk what he claimed lol. wha did he claim?

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wtf lol i call bullshit it's day 1. regardless of his role, it could be given to maf or town.

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wheme are you new to mafia games?

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Alisae is scum btw. He's asking questions to sound like he's scumhunting but he's mafia.

And okay. How long did you play on starcraft? Did they have roles like this place?

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i feel better about scumreading penguin slot. i think alisae subbed in for them, but i am too tired/lazy to check.

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I guarantee Alisae flips scum. I willl self vote tomorrow if they flip town.

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VOTE: Alisae

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lmfao. dont worry, you'll be comfirmed scum tomorrow

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no need to 1v1 today when you'll be confirmed tomorrow

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I don't want Wheme in the event they are just a noob. the only way they arent mafia is if they are new, and even then is stretching it.

Alisae is mafia. I hardclaim PR. vote him.

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Alisae you've played with me as scum before. Was I acting amy thing like you said?

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Anything *

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That has nothing to do with day 1 there and here. That's why I think you're scum, you're being irrational

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By dodging the question and not answering. What does that have to do with day 1

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Hawk - mechanically says Wheme's role makes sense as town in conjunction with his
Chaos - says Wheme's role doesn't make sense as town based off his own PR

lol

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Sorry guys, I'm on vacation right now and this game is on my back burner. But, I still have been trying to give reads. I think Wheme is mafia, but idk if it's wise to lynch it today. Alisae is also mafia and should be lynched today

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lol sniped

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Uknown get an avi

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Hi. Sorry was busy

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When is deadline?

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Hi I'm here. When is deadline

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Lol ok.

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Lol ok.

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LOOL sheep was actually maf. sry guys, i guess if i paid more attention to this game, i would have continued to push on him, but from limited view, it looked like people just kept pushing on my slip thing and nothing else. Well at least i got some initial pressure on him

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@Chaos, i disagree. I think at least 1 could have bussed. especially if they saw him ending up as the lynch anyway.

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LOOL sheep was actually maf. sry guys, i guess if i paid more attention to this game, i would have continued to push on him, but from limited view, it looked like people just kept pushing on my slip thing and nothing else. Well at least i got some initial pressure on him

Dude shut up with the slip thing. I started pressing him before the slip and my case had nothing to do with the slip initially.

yes i know but he actually did slip. and what was more is that he asked how he slipped instead of denying it. at least that was my reason for thinking he was scum initially. it's something that happens on chat mafia a lot.

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as i said, i wasnt paying attention to this game as much, which i clearly stated.

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i wasnt bragging, i just found it funny how he slipped.

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No, you're doing Lots of reaching.

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wait a sec, wtf. unknown you were supposed to get an avi. get one

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I will read this game a bit more and give it the time it deserves later, promise.

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and i actually mean it this time lol

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I'm on vacation and I'm in a lot of other games, this one is sadly last on my list right now.

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Not a lot of stuff to sheep yet.

Vote: WhemeStar

Intentionally avoiding Gerry since I think he will likely flail regardless of alignment.
Avoiding LilUzi because he's currently less active.

Sheep the sheep?

this being his first post, I think that he was going to try and distance from one scum partner. what do you think?

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I can see why they killed hawk now. He was arguably the 2nd person I'd say sheep wasnt teamed with besides frog. And it was likely that frog would be doc'd so. It makes sense for that kill. I'll still iso Hawk and see what he had to say about things though.

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While true that your call-out on Cooperative Sheep got things rolling, you really haven't contributed anything at all yet, despite the game clearly exiting the RVS. Quite a bit of discussion has occurred in the past several pages. Do you have any reads or opinions at this point in the game? I am curious to know your thoughts.

Since this was your first post of the game, I want to know how you feel about my posting then now that you know that sheep has flipped scum. Do you think that since my call out of sheep got things rolling from your point of view make us less likely to be partners? or not? If so why or why not?

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Well I certainly look pretty terrible now. With the speed of that wagon, I think it's unlikely both of Sheep's partners bussed him. If that's true, there is scum in AJ, Fitz, ECM, me, and gerry.

Something about this post doesnt sit right with me. I felt like he put himself in there to "look townie by including himself" but if you think about it, what natural reaction is there from town to say there is a scum in _____ and put themselves in there. Anyone else think the same or am I looing into it too much. At leas tin chat mafia, I find this as a scumtell.

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I don't like EC's posts, but not comfortable voting him. Would have to read his ISO

Why aren't you comfortable voting him?

Because I'm not yet comfortable calling him scum yet, its slowly changing though.

Just went back and Tereta had the first vote on the sheep wagon that got him lynched. Don't like post #1573 at all.

VOTE: ECMitchell [/V

I also want to get chaos to weigh in on his Cc of me and why he's voting ECM

Wheme could you go more in depth as to why you changed your mind? In real time, it was only an hour from the previous post to the last, what exactly changed? Because if you're "slowly" changing, it implies that you probably need some convincing, and you didn't really explain what changed.

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Well I certainly look pretty terrible now. With the speed of that wagon, I think it's unlikely both of Sheep's partners bussed him. If that's true, there is scum in AJ, Fitz, ECM, me, and gerry.

Something about this post doesnt sit right with me. I felt like he put himself in there to "look townie by including himself" but if you think about it, what natural reaction is there from town to say there is a scum in _____ and put themselves in there. Anyone else think the same or am I looing into it too much. At leas tin chat mafia, I find this as a scumtell.

I for some reason find myself agreeing with this, that post did seem really awkward to me.
Maybe you're not scum dude.

I could easily fake this as mafia, why don't you think I'm scum because of this one post?

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One thing that struck me odd about Sheep's ISO is that he talked about Lowell a lot, mostly in a negative light. Usually, that would lead me to believe that they couldnt be teamed. But considering the fact that sheep had pressure on him early, also coupled with the fact that he never once actually placed a vote on Lowell despite the constant scumreading, make it quite shady to me.

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I'd like to lynch Lowell or Hawk right now, with optional secondaries for Chaos and Frogger.

Here he clearly states his desire as Lowell to be his number one lynch, but by passes that here.

Okay so.. Let me ask you a simple question; Was your post in question a joke or other wise non-serious post that is NAI?

It was a serious question asked in a mocking way, if he hadn't answered it would have been very serious - I leave it to you to classify that in your own joke range.

Btw Sheep, if I for example Whiteknighted you as scum, what would i gain in then instantly swapping you to a scum lean a bit later after i resisted the wagon? doesn't that kinda negate the pocketing the whiteknighting as scum could've possibly gained?

You swapped me after the pressure on me was relieved, which makes sense in a scum concept of hoping the lynch goes through and you look good for being 'right' and shifting me to a lynch option for later also plays to that potential scum play.

No.

I don't play this "answer my questions game." If you think that makes me scum for it IDGAF. I don't sit here and do what people tell me to do. That's not how I play so get off your damn high horse with this "I'd like you to do this" bullcrap.

You've already shown me you'll give absurd logic with that avatar retort. I'm not going to go around in circles with you. It helps nobody.

Could you at least address the point where I called you a misrepper/liar for how you changed up what Lowell said and then attacked me over my reaction to something that wasn't said?

Because I'd love to talk about that.

Vote: Frogger

And votes frogger.

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I wouldn't be so fast to clear him, I'm still sketchy on him. but ok

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Frogger can you explain how your read on me has suddenly changed? Even if you think I played no part in the sheep lynch, I did cast some light on him with the slip thing. And it also helped move the game out of RVS. would i really do that to a mafia partner who is a strong PR fypov? If so, how come?

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Uknown get an avatar

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Unknown1234 pls

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I'd be ok with voting ECM i guess

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Gerry....I don't remember you being this shitty in our last game. Why are you even in this game?

What is your read on me then?

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Gerry....I don't remember you being this shitty in our last game. Why are you even in this game?

What is your read on me then?

You're a null leaning scummy due to not having contributed anything useful that I can recall.

VOTE: ECMitchell

But you're saying I'm acting differently this game. The game you have with me, I was mafia. So why does that = to the same alignment if you see me acting differently?

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Gonna reread tonight

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I don't want to be lynched, but it seems like that's the road we're going down. I'm offering to answer anything you ask, this is me trying to work with you here.

i buy this ate rn. makes me wanna cry

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oh come on guys, he was obviously genuine and towntelling. how could you vote him after this post

I don't want to be lynched, but it seems like that's the road we're going down. I'm offering to answer anything you ask, this is me trying to work with you here.

i buy this ate rn. makes me wanna cry

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wasnt he just your tr?

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maybe he just didnt count. or think unkowns vote would count. i think your progression on that read is bad

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Not doing either. It's just weird, i'm sure others will say the same

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Ah, ok you have a guilty on him. that's why the progression seemed weird lol.

How many votes on frog?

Do you hardclaim a guilty on frog, alisae?

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unkown didnt you sub out? wtf lol

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Hardclaim means no retracting at all or reaction testing.

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I've read and i'm prob voting frog. i mean a gambit by alisae is possible but seems unlikely based on the position he was in

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ok

VOTE: Frog

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oh damn thought i was hammering

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I misread no one visited my target for Frogger so I'm thinking scum has a ninja.
VOTE: I Am Innocent

this is a bus

also i knew alisae was scum day 1 god damnit

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VOTE: Alisae

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alright guys, i'm prob dying. lynch in ECM slot and fitz imo

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why are you getting upset, i only voted frog cause he told me to lol

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nah i just read. govern is done in twilight.

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thats such an op role tho. why not use it on your jailkeeper and then have him claim gove. jailkeeper is pretty important

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o. so are you not governor? im confused

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i take back my lynch recommendations. i think i'll be alive. and i think i figured out who scum is

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This is why you lynch the objectively scummy person. Don't go by that counter wagon bs if the person is scummy.

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Lowell shoulda been the day 2 lynch

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Lowell shoulda been the day 2 lynch

Says the person who I don't recall trying to lynch Lowell

One thing that struck me odd about Sheep's ISO is that he talked about Lowell a lot, mostly in a negative light. Usually, that would lead me to believe that they couldnt be teamed. But considering the fact that sheep had pressure on him early, also coupled with the fact that he never once actually placed a vote on Lowell despite the constant scumreading, make it quite shady to me.

I'd like to lynch Lowell or Hawk right now, with optional secondaries for Chaos and Frogger.

Here he clearly states his desire as Lowell to be his number one lynch, but by passes that here.

Okay so.. Let me ask you a simple question; Was your post in question a joke or other wise non-serious post that is NAI?

It was a serious question asked in a mocking way, if he hadn't answered it would have been very serious - I leave it to you to classify that in your own joke range.

Btw Sheep, if I for example Whiteknighted you as scum, what would i gain in then instantly swapping you to a scum lean a bit later after i resisted the wagon? doesn't that kinda negate the pocketing the whiteknighting as scum could've possibly gained?

You swapped me after the pressure on me was relieved, which makes sense in a scum concept of hoping the lynch goes through and you look good for being 'right' and shifting me to a lynch option for later also plays to that potential scum play.

No.

I don't play this "answer my questions game." If you think that makes me scum for it IDGAF. I don't sit here and do what people tell me to do. That's not how I play so get off your damn high horse with this "I'd like you to do this" bullcrap.

You've already shown me you'll give absurd logic with that avatar retort. I'm not going to go around in circles with you. It helps nobody.

Could you at least address the point where I called you a misrepper/liar for how you changed up what Lowell said and then attacked me over my reaction to something that wasn't said?

Because I'd love to talk about that.

Vote: Frogger

And votes frogger.

I wouldn't be so fast to clear him, I'm still sketchy on him. but ok

you were saying?