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11 pages but might as well be 11 roles.

Echo is scum. Not sure who else yet. Gotta read.

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Ah alright

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Echo is a good lynch for today while vig(s) sort out iffy slots.

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Dunn, Zach, D7

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Oh, and Titus but I'd rather not see her get vigged over the others.

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I still need to read D7 vs Ircher. Curious why D7 wanted me to read it also.

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echovision is just taking shit out of context in the shallowest way possible
every point he raises has an easy logical step to the next one he just chooses not to take
i don't think he's an idiot, i think he's not putting the logical effort in because he doesn't have to. he's scum

then lynch me my death is imminent anyways

scum wants the day to end soon what a surprise

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echovision is just taking shit out of context in the shallowest way possible
every point he raises has an easy logical step to the next one he just chooses not to take
i don't think he's an idiot, i think he's not putting the logical effort in because he doesn't have to. he's scum

then lynch me my death is imminent anyways

scum wants the day to end soon what a surprise

that doesn't make any sense... why would I want it to end with my death? whatever. again, my death is imminent...

you understand how this attitude is straight up anti-town right

your death is not imminent. how many times have people been taken to L-1 and then not been lynched

and yes, if you truly believe your lynch is imminent, you would want the day to end if you're scum. if you're town you want to drag it out as long as possible to try to stop your lynch.

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if you're town you want to drag it out as long as possible to try to stop your lynch.

As well as for other reasons.

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if you're town you want to drag it out as long as possible to try to stop your lynch.

As well as for other reasons.

well why do you think I was trying to make cases against Titus and creature??

You didn't even make a case against Creature. I asked you about it and you said 'eh I'll tell you tomorrow'

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Today is tomorrow no?

No. I asked him today

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Echo can you please explain the Titus/Creature/Wraith connection you were seeing?

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Echo can you please explain the Titus/Creature/Wraith connection you were seeing?

when Titus replaced in Titus and creature were all buddy buddy hence the Titus creature connection.

Titus was super against Wraith lynch trying to repeatedly stop it hence the Titus and Wraith connection

creature and Wraith idk I'm going down to the Waterpark right now so if I'm not dead I'll examine shit when I get back but I'll probably be dead. oh well.

And you get how doing anything based on the first part is

bad play

when you know neither Titus nor Creature's alignments, right?

And you get how analysis of the second part depends on Titus' reasons for being against the Wraith lynch, right? Which you very clearly don't care about.

And you get how the third part is you throwing shade without an explanation, right?

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ircher's play is 2ndary

primary is that he is alive after stellar "townlike" play and he has a couple logical slips and I believe his entrance was a fake derp about the 2 teams as well

debi is town

Is this argument why you didn't kill me?

VOTE: D7

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Why do you think D7 is town?

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Obama, get in here and talk to me about the game.
Same with Mort.

I'm going to sleep

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Okay, yeah, Zach is definitely scum. I get the feeling they really knew that Debi was town D1 and tried to pocket them.

pedit: VCA and NKA.

I lied about sleep I'm just too tired to do reading I need to do

but how fast did you do this VCA

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Drealmerz, do you have a guilty on Mort?
Because it sounded like you do.

holy shit maybe you actually are scum

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Mort why the fuck are you running off OMGUS?
It's really scummy right now.

first of all, no it's not. second of all I'm not doing that.

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pedit: So accusing me for being scum because I suspected you and voting drealmerz for saying you're scum is not OMGUS? good to know.

neither of these things happened. you're reading the game the way you want to.

re: you
1. you assumed D7 had a guilty on me instead of asking him why he scumreads me.
2. he never even claimed cop so this is such a reach. PR hunting and paranoia

re: D7
I've had a gut scumread on him for a while but I keep putting off reading the early game especially his interactions with Ircher.

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2. he never even claimed cop so this is such a reach. PR hunting and paranoia

2. I'm not thinking cop. I'm thinking Tracker/Watcher because of the Ninja.

this is still paranoid thinking and PR hunting

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Drealmerz why are you scumread Mort?

btw he actually gave his reason I just forgot he did.

it had nothing to do with a PR so idk why you're asking about PRs

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but is being paranoid bad?

yes

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pedit: Is paranoia scummy?

It's clear that you have very few, if any, consistent townreads and that is scummy, and also evidenced by your paranoia.

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Mort do we agree on Uzi being scum?

Your Uzi case is based on PoE from your constantly changing reads, right? So why would I agree with you

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Yeah I understand that you've played like this as town in the past.

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If anything I see you as redscum.

This isn't consistent with thinking HS is redscum.

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Oh I see. so your theory is that HS is bluescum who wanted town to think Severa was lying and not lynch Wraith.

I'll think about it.

Pedit: lazy = scum?

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A lot of town PRs.

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OMGAWD AA
DEHHSARWUO:
SATISDPOUTKSLDJ
ASRIDFOPSADTU:L

I
AM
FREAKING
THE
FUCK
OUT
RIGHT
NOW

:/

we know

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btw Ali your W/L on your Wiki is 43% not 75%

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Mort is waiting for AA to arrive and ignoring D7's yelling about the meaning of 'guilty.'

UNVOTE:
Don't run up AA.
Let AA explain what they did.

your play this game has been reprehensible. either you are playing an abysmal town game on purpose and you 1. don't care to improve and 2. almost seem proud of it, or you set up an abysmal town game before so you can mimic it now as scum.

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this is why games are so bad so often, because sub-optimal shit like that is allowed

if you can be accurate with your words, be accurate

the ambiguity is only scum-serving, and by allowing it in general, you are lowering the quality of games, A LOT

I get that the word guilty only applies to a cop result. Just so I know where you stand, what are you proposing we actually do? Other than convince everyone that the word guilty only applies to a cop result.

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I get that you think AA is scum faking a result. But you have to understand that I'm not voting AA because they used an imprecise definition. That is absurd

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Wait AA didn't even say guilty. Why are we talking about the word guilty?

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It just feels like postgame talk. I think that's what HS is getting at (?) and I agree if so.

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no, HS, obivously you don't want people to play better currently and are scum trying to keep things unclear

obviously

It doesn't feel like post-game talk, it feels like useless noise that's shitting up the thread and making it harder to find scum.

Mort, what do you think about Zach?

I haven't found a reason to think he's town. But I'd like to take advantage of the fact that we do have 11 days left and do some reading.

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Yeah, AA is for real. Just reread.

I'll spill. I'm a 1-Shot Friendly Neighbor.

Why choose Dunn?

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I docced you because I had you as town PR OR likely scumkill because they COULDN'T get you lynched the few times they tried

Why doc Severa?

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Idk if you already answered this. Hard to flip through pages on mobile.

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Idk if you already answered this. Hard to flip through pages on mobile.

then don't play on mobile

Piss off. You'd rather I not post for 10+ hours at a time?

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I didn't even sign up for this game. I replaced in as a favor to HS. I just replaced out of a newbie about a month ago because I'm too busy to play the game effectively. But I'm doing my best so, again, piss off.

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don't vote me ppls I am your savior

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Gross. I believe D7.

UNVOTE:

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5873 looks honest.

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By who?

Apparently not AA because LUV did target Dunn.

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Creature, can you explain why we're massclaiming?

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@Uzi
By AA? Because if so, it's pretty convenient that he faked a guilty on you, which you also backed up with a claim.
Do you doubt AA's claim?

It's not AA. He already said he believes AA and that he did target Dunn.

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Which means Zach by PoE sadly.

So you discredit the Zach PoE scumreads and then scumread him by PoE

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Which means Zach by PoE sadly.

So you discredit the Zach PoE scumreads and then scumread him by PoE

I'm town.

I think you, Ali, and HS are town. Now I think AA and D7 are.

Creature just linked me two games where there were two vigilantes.

That leaves Zach.

But there are (probably?) 3 scum left

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Btw can someone refresh me on what we think happened D1?

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Er, N1

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I'm Town One-Shot Bulletproof.

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More like 2 actually

no shit

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maybe even 3!

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What sort of vigilante is thinkbig

One that murders scum

Full or modifiers is what I meant

Claimed full.

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the BP is a scumrole

Explain?

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VOTE: Dreal

If this is town, AA gets killed

How does this make sense? Dreal confirmed that he targeted the people AA said he did.

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I don't buy dreal's doctor claim

Why not?

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One-Shot (possibly Novice too) to compensate strongman.
Strongman to evade scum roleblockers, maybe BPs too.

I don't like this claim.

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Hey, you don't believe the existence of two vigs but you believe the existence of two ICs.

Nah I think I believe you. I don't know if I believe ThinkBig but I'm going to think on it. I just don't like it because I'm BP.

What's does IC mean?

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Wait, I do believe ThinkBig.

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Oh, no I don't believe LUV.

I don't know much about setup balance. Is it unlikely for there to be a town BP and a Doc?

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doc

N1 wraith
N2 severa
N2 All Alone (boom fucker, die)

I'm pretty certain drealmerz is a scum rolecop. He knows that

I'm a tracker

, but doesn't know which night I tracked him and is covering his ass by claiming his actual targets.

drealmerz was pushing Severa hard on d2 and d3

, so why would he protect her n2? Docs don't protect their scumreads. Why would he protect me? Like honestly, why the fuck would anyone expect scum to NK me this game? And finally, why is there never protection on Thinkbig/Rebbe? That slot is pretty clearly the optimal doc target over the past two nights. This is not genuine doc play here, this is scum who knows they were tracked and needs to avoid getting caught in a lie.

here's who I investigated:

n1 Dunnstral visited nobody
n2 drealmerz7 visited Severa

n3 Lil Uzi Vert visited Dunnstral

I claimed the drealmerz result first because I couldn't see the town motive for him to visit Severa unless he was something unlikely such as fruit vendor or a third vig, and figured I could either catch him fakeclaiming or clear him. Whereas the uzi result is just obvscum.

I'm okay with lynching either uzi or drealmerz and vigging the other.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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If Creature is a strongman along with Wraith, seems a little bit too much just for one BP.

That makes sense. Creature and D7 could both be bluescum. If one is town the other is probably town, in which case bluescum is in {Zach, Alisae, HS}.

Lynch LUV either way.

Pedit: why would both scum teams have the same roles?

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drealmerz7 should live today, maybe make him protect ThinkBig?

ThinkBig or AA.

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I'm gonna request softclaims, crumbs or any hints towards your claimed role (unless you claimed VT).

Okay well mhsmith is away but I'm innocent child and I will now analyze my McStratagem Burger results

Breadcrumb
Please

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Yeah scum is in Zach, HS, and Uzi most likely.
If one of those flip town I'm likely to eat rope, but Mort should get rope as well.

You very clearly don't agree with what I said. Why are you pretending you do?

@creature Kyouko found it.

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Plan: Drealmerz protects AA.

AA tracks Zach or HS. This means we lynch the other today.

TB shoots Uzi.

I can agree to this

Wtf

Doc doesn't tell scum who they're protecting. Especially when there are at least 2 good targets.

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pedit: Mort I'm on mobile so I may have missed it, what do you think I'm not agree with?

You said scum is in {LUV, HS, Zach}. But that's not what I said. I said either scum is in {Alisae, HS, Zach} or it's Creature and D7.

The idea that I should eat rope if I am wrong about one of a set of 4 when 3 are sure to be scum (not that I think this, but you do) is also a joke.

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You guys actually find Alisaes posting townie

Definitely not today.

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Well played scum. Set me up for the mislynch like they always do.

Had a lot of fun though.

:/ It was hard for me to read you this game. I had very few interactions with you and didn't find much reading your past posts that I wanted to ask about.

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We're only in MYLO tomorrow if there's a vig shot. Not sure if that's the right plan; i.e. if it's better to get two lynches (one after a nightkill) or a lynch and a vig shot both before a nightkill.

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D7 is basically conftown barring scum no-kill shenanigans (hehe HS hehe) which I've learned to ignore. Leaves Creature, Ali, HS, and Mort as unconfirmed.

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And obviously have All Alone be explicit about the tracking target and keep to what's said in the thread.

*cough ArcAngel7 cough*

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Oh it's ArcAngel9... lol.

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Creature could be scum.

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Creature could be scum.

If that's the case, I already lost.

That's not true. One scumspect lives to LYLO.

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Creature could be scum.

Would rather lynch lynchy HS yet.
I would rather have AA come in and say words before we lynchy lynchy

weirdest player I've ever played with.

will you be around for postgame talk Ali?

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Creature could be scum.

If that's the case, I already lost.

That's not true. One scumspect lives to LYLO.

3p LyLo with pratically two conftown (or maybe 4p MyLo with three conftown).

Ah right. Fair enough.

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If HS is scum, you shouldn't have asked me to replace in

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alisae or HS I suppose are the lynches

Do you think Zach would have been pushing an Ali lynch for the past 2 days if they were scum partners?

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Yee Mort.
Plz don't yell at me ;~;

Nah I'm just curious about some things dw lol

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alisae or HS I suppose are the lynches

Do you think Zach would have been pushing an Ali lynch for the past 2 days if they were scum partners?

Traitors are fun as hell to analyze. It's possible he would push his own scum buddy. I'm a game where I was scum, the traitor attempted to hard bus me D1 in order to crumb that he was the traitor

Ah. I misunderstood what a Traitor was.

So yeah it's probably possible that Ali could be lastscum.

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and while there are off things about you, mort, I have to say you're less likely scum than he is

You and another player I consider similar to you have both said something like this about my town game.

Would be cool to talk about it in postgame

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Btw D7 who did you doc?

Also obviously we need AA to be active before we lynch.

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D7 is basically conftown barring scum no-kill shenanigans (hehe HS hehe)

idgi, did this happen in 1848? my memory is atrocious

No, but I pissed everyone off by playing to make sure we still won if it did.

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That's why I need D7 to tell us who he docced.

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I don't know what Mortscum looks like either. Will be interesting to see.

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Also I'm sorry that just about 5/6 (you being included in this) pushed me D1
Texcat/Grey pushed me.
Uzi Pushed me.
Wraith Pushed me.
Pine pushed me (Severa tried to pocket me)
And you even pushed me D1.

Probably everyone in the game has thought you were scum at some point.

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Maybe one day rb and I will play a full game together.

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Though, let's first focus on the pool of {Alisae, me, HS, MortFeld}, we must sort all of them first.

Ye vig/track in this pool without a doubt.

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Leaning Alisae over HS.

Same.

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What's the best route?

All Alone's tracks or ThinkBig's vigs?

Huh? Don't we do both? e.g. vig scumspect 1 track scumspect 2?

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what if the last goon has roleblocker?

If AA tracks Y person and Y person has roleblocker, can he roleblock AA and kill someone else simultaneously?

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What's the best route?

All Alone's tracks or ThinkBig's vigs?

Huh? Don't we do both? e.g. vig scumspect 1 track scumspect 2?

Who drealmerz7 should dedicate protecting?

Ah. Tracks IMO. Creating confirmed town is more powerful than two 'lynches'

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I'm really not fond of telling who I docced or will doc - can you explain why it matters?

Sure. Person you docced is probably conftown. I guess if it's AA or TB they're already basically conftown so it's a non-issue, but it'd increase trust that you're town.

Person you will doc should be the person AA is tracking, right?

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I hate explicit planning

roles should make moves they think are best

You are the person in this game who should be

most

gung ho about explicit planning. If AA and TB are explicit, town only potentially loses if you're scum.

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I think Creature has a pretty clear set of explanations

Basically AA gives a tracking target, you protect them, TB vigs someone else, and we have conftown if someone else dies, and confscum if no kill happens.

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Er, the latter part is not true. Confused this situation with 1848

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Why protect the tracking target and not AA or TB?

Yeah forgot this too. It's not important who D7 protects so long as it's not the vig target.

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One single bluescum.

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I think that balance questions don't change our plan much. Lynch someone in {Creat, Mort, Ali, HS}, try to confirm another with AA track, vig another, see what happens.

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AA does need to be explicit though and keep to it.

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AA can track me.
TB can shoot Creature.
Or it can be the otherway around.
Either way town wins.

unless scumAli chooses not to nk, ofc

both ali and i have to die in this coming day/night cycle, but it's mighty suspicious that the only configuration alisae puts forward is one that lets her survive one more day

Nobody is listening to Ali

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Is my early derp one of the reasons you scumread me d7?

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oh that is all sorts of bad news to say confirmed then

why can't there be a serialkiller?

Highly doubt that with the number of kills we've had each night?

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Idk maybe.

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mort and creature should be either of the kills actually, imo

whichever we don't lynch TB can shoot between the 2 of, his choice, imo

Whatever. I don't understand how you think I'm more likely scum than HS or Ali.

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You're honestly just overparanoid and it's clouding your judgment.

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We're not lynching me.

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You're honestly just overparanoid and it's clouding your judgment.

If we lynch correctly today, we don't have to worry about drealmerz7.

Obviously. But he is proposing that we lynch me, which is an incorrect lynch and makes me worry about him.

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Which is why I said he's overly paranoid. That and his talking about serial killers and uneven teams and stuff.

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There is only one power greater than myself and his name is Thor.

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Anyway I think d7 is town and considering all options->coming to extremely unlikely conclusions.

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Town absolutely does need a BP. Stop making decisions based on d7's perceived balance because you are wrong.

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^that @d7

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VC?

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Ok.

And we're not being explicit re: strategy because there might be a roleblocker?

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I don't think there's a roleblocker and I think we should be explicit with only the tracker target.

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Heh, nice. LUV townread me D2 to try to nightkill me and it failed.

GG all! Hopefully I did okay as a replacement.

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Wait LOL both of LUV's nightkills N1 and N2 were stopped by BP.

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Sure.

You seemed like you purposefully play like lynchbait. Is that accurate?

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Yeah Mort.

Why do you do that?

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Oh yeah and thanks mhsmith

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pedit: cuz it's fun.
Sometimes I do scumhunting things and othertimes I just end up being lynchbait.
It's fun to know who's scum that's attempting to push lynchbait and who is scum that is trying to whiteknight me.

Oh ok. It is frustrating to play with. I think it's also ethically suspect to ever play like lynchbait because of it's implications for your scum meta.

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Also drealmerz scumread me the whole game ;~;

But you can't get mad at this. You played like lynchbait on purpose. You will get scumread by townies.

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tbh I could sorta tell you were frustrated but I was derping A LOT d2.
pedit: I'm not mad mort! Hell I knew he was town pushing me

Your reads are of secondary importance to everyone else's.

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Wait, I thought I was supposed to kill everyone to win.

Creature misreading his role PM as serial killer makes a lot of sense.

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LUV is such a weird player. Plays the same as scum or town, really hard to read.

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Dunn ate a NK, gj Dunn

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Dunn was probably getting lynched so yeah that was a weird NK.

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for some reason people think I'm fun to play with.

When you're town? Yeah, the scum love it.

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Gin was the only real tragedy this game

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I meant your death!!

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oh wait you're talking to TB...
Got it...

omg this makes me feel so bad ((