[Game Over] Open 673 - Tit for Tat

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VOTE: Bellaphant obv

-Frog

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Congrats Bella even tho I don't know you!
Tho you broke the chain of votes, I'm dissapointed in you!

Also Charloux, I swear I won't be bad at the video game this time.

-Ali

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Bella is obvscum for not voting me back

Happy anni though, love <3

-Frog

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43.2087954009
Also lol RQS
-Ali

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You should meet scum!FA. The lenghts she can go to just to win as scum is crazy!

Also Frogger let's not sign posts?
-Ali

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i haven't rqs-ed since....my first scum game!

i generally say scum, but i've flaked a few games and just wanna play a decent town game.

UNVOTE: Bellaphant
VOTE: Intermission

I also find it ironic that intermission asked the math phd a math question

-Frog

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@Inter why no questions towards me? I'm feeling left out

Because you two are scumbuddies.

Saving this for later.

-Frog

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theplague42: What's your usual Day One strategy to sniff out scum?

I like to think that preserving your cards is essential in mafia regardless of alignment, so i consider this question kinda bad.

This

or maybe I was wrong

-Frog

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I liked seeing The_Jester call this out as well.

I don't like you OR jester calling it out.

It's something so easy and opportunistic to call out

-Frog

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I find it interesting you felt the need to highlight your first vote during the RVS as, indeed, random.

Why do you feel the need to underline the fact of random voting?

I liked seeing The_Jester call this out as well.

VOTE: Sesq

Anyway, RANDOM.ORG COMPELLS ME...
VOTE: Charloux

I used that as well, but since i was first on the list, i decided to vote for someone else.

If I'm pointing out Sesq's instance, I must point out Charloux's as well.

Neither case is particularly a scum read; both are certainly jovial. Just something to notice[/quote]

This progression is gross.

"interesting you random rvs'd"

"great job by jester calling it out"

"but actually this is jus something to notice and possibly jovial and not necessarily scum"

WTF

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I fucked up the quote tags...let me fix that

-Frog

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I find it interesting you [sesq] felt the need to highlight your first vote during the RVS as, indeed, random.

Why do you feel the need to underline the fact of random voting?

I liked seeing The_Jester call this out as well.

Also Charloux, I swear I won't be bad at the video game this time.

-Ali

I'm not mad at you! I just pretended to be so i could get some info from you!

VOTE: Sesq

Anyway, RANDOM.ORG COMPELLS ME...
VOTE: Charloux

I used that as well, but since i was first on the list, i decided to vote for someone else.

If I'm pointing out Sesq's instance, I must point out Charloux's as well.

Neither case is particularly a scum read; both are certainly jovial. Just something to notice.

This progression is gross.

"interesting you random rvs'd"

"great job by jester calling it out"

"but actually this is jus something to notice and possibly jovial and not necessarily scum"

WTF

Fixed

-Frog

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Actually

VOTE: ECMitchell

-Frog

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Trans, you have reads already?

I do too.

You're town and this makes me incredibly happy.

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^ -obvfrog

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i tr ecmitchell

why?

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because he voted obvscum and the entrance on that vote doesn't look like a bus

So I agree him voting intermission is voting scum.

But the way he approached it seemed weird.

He complimented intermission for the RQS questions, then voted him anyway.

like no conviction behind it

-Frog

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I actually did laugh. And I think I was wrong. I don't see scum doing that.

VOTE: intermission

-Frog

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if transcend and bella are both town we are going to fucking rule this game.

-Frog

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BTW ECMitchel, talk to me about Intermission.
Cuz you went from "I like your RQS and your entrance" to "It just feels like you're looking busy."
What prompted the sudden change?
-Ali

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if transcend and bella are both town we are going to fucking rule this game.

-Frog

super town. you might be town?[/quite]

100% town.

gonna leave transcend to you for a bit.

Why? I liked your questions to him.

-Frog

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GOD DAMNQUOTE TAGS

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if transcend and bella are both town we are going to fucking rule this game.

-Frog

super town. you might be town?

100% town

gonna leave transcend to you for a bit.

Why? I liked your questions to him

(Fixed)

-Frog

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I could also lynch Sesq (for coming across stilted to me, which, to stave off the inevitable question - is also how Intermission feels.)

Talk to me about Sesq and Jester.
-Ali

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Was going to ask the same thing as Jester.

And I think Jester is probably town. He kept saying that intermission isn't the droid we're looking for, but is now changing his mind and questioning intermission on something I picked up on too. I even pointed out intermissions LAMIST statements and concern for his image to Ali in our hydra PT.

That jester is rethinking things and pressuring someone he originally thought was a bad spot for pressure, certainly comes from someone trying to figure the game out.

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-Frog

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do you/does anyone have any feels about charl? especially the reaction to my rvs?

I thought the reaction was funny.

I think charl is probably town, although I'm having a hard time reconciling these two posts from him with no explanation of why he townreads intermission in the latter post

theplague42: What's your usual Day One strategy to sniff out scum?

Why ask how he plays as town and not as scum? And nonchalantly saving it for last. I like to think that preserving your cards is essential in mafia regardless of alignment, so i consider this question kinda bad.

Liking intermission for town.

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Alright guys.
I want everyone to sheep this vote.
VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

Here is why: His reads are very shallow and they just feel fake and easily fakable.
His hop onto the Intermission wagon was already sus. They just put Intermission at L-1 so god dam casually it's not even funny.
Not to mention now they're trying to start up another easy wagon.

Sheep me guyz.
-Ali

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Allow me to explain the reads he has given on people:
Sesq - "I'm giving you busy work"
Jester - "They're scumhunting"
Us - "I liked one post"

-Ali

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Let's also add that Sheep is adding pressure but not doing anything with the pressure.
And asking questions but not doing anything with those actual questions.
-Ali

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They just put Intermission at L-1 so god dam casually it's not even funny.

Fuck L-2 not L-1. mybad.
-Ali

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I just said sheep me because I wanted to make a joke.

-Ali

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I at least want Bella to sheep up

-Frog

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*us

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WE'RE GONNA BUILD ONE MOBILE UNIT OF SHEEP!
AND IT'S GONNA BE GREAT!
MAKE SHEEPING GREAT AGAIN!

-Ali

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Pressure voting kinda loses its purpose when you make it obvious it's nothing more, you know

It's also super "look at me I'm doing something!" by sheep (LAMIST)

-Frog

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Lots of questions, not much saying.

If this is your reasoning for wanting to vote Bella, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to look at Sheep's ISO.
-Ali

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Lots of questions, not much saying.

If this is your reasoning for wanting to vote Bella, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to look at Sheep's ISO.
-Ali

I accept him role-playing a sheep.

And I am okay with adding you to my lynch pool
-Ali

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^ -obvfrog

Maybe to you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bellaphant
Lots of questions, not much saying.

How many times have you played with Bella?

-Frog

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You're the only person I recognize. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apparently never.

That's an awful shallow read to just vote her for asking questions. You know nothing of her play and you're just going to throw a bullshit reason out there.

You're going to have to explain why the questions are coming from scum, and not town.

-Frog

God dammit I promised myself I wasn't going to hydra slip

-Frog

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Can y'all vote sheep now?

-Frog

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I'm hesitant to sheep your vote on Sheep, since in the only two games I've been able to observe you in, you've adamantly led a lynch on them. I'm starting to wonder if you two are just on completely different wavelengths and naturally clash with each other. For what it's worth, right now I'm not getting much of a scum read on Cooperative Sheep.

Can either you/sheep/sibs talk about this fact some more?

No because it refers to ongoing and ECM should never have said that in the first place.

I suggest this not be talked about anymore before there are force replaces

-Frog

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The bold statement in particular comes off as you trying to establish the fact that you're actively scum hunting "behind the scenes"—and of course, why would you do that if you were scum? If you're a hydra account, it probably goes without saying that you're collaborating, right?

I refer to talking to my hydra partner in our PT in every hydra game. It's my style. My style is NAI.

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Bella, you have to believe me that Sheep is scum.

And I think that dude who voted you is scum too.

-Frog

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The read on us from sheep is shallow af. How does he get we're town from that one single post out of all the posts we made? It's a really bullshit read on us.

-Frog

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For Siblings, I really liked post #68, it read like a legit inquiry with some consideration behind it and less like noise.

This is such a terrible reason. We're town for many reasons, but just to put it as this single reason is craptastico

-Frog

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Let's also add that Sheep is adding pressure but not doing anything with the pressure.
And asking questions but not doing anything with those actual questions.
-Ali

I think this is provably untrue - could you provide supporting evidence that makes you believe this?

What's not true about it?

You voted sesq and did nothing with that vote. No comments on why he's scum or follow up things to put pressure on him. Just a vote then nothing else after that (as of the time we made our comment about it).

The questions you've asked were mostly filler about effort, and not really an attempt to sort alignment.

-Frog

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@Frog: Could be because i didn't read this properly, but i see some unlaborated naked votes that are just staying around. How do you tell the difference when it's scummy and when it's not?

Sheep's vote of sesq wasn't a naked vote. It was a vote for pressure, and then they never pressured sesq on anything.

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Frog, since you claim to do it regularly, can you show me an instance of you proclaiming to actively work with your Hydra mate in PT from past games?

jfc: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7389339

i'm not going to dig through more exmaples, but go look up banana frog or Frog Mollie (Ori in archived mini theme games) or the like and ISO them and ctrl+f " PT" (with the space bar in front of the PT). Froggaphant (bellaphant, who is in this game) I hydra'd with but I never said it there.

I had a hydra with salamance I cant remember the name of but it was ika's large theme that is archived. I think I may have hydra'd with 1 or 2 others.

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Apologies. Didn't realize, since I've seen others regularly refer to other games and it's what I'm used to. Distinction must be current games versus completed ones, yes?

The rule is don't talk about or refer to ongoing games.

Period.

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I will say...in THIS GAME...Alisae is the head of the hydra that started the read on sheep. If you're not taking Alisae's read on sheep into account, you're doing it wrong

-Frog

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All votes are for pressure actually, so you using it as a scumtell is ridiculous. And sesq did provide reads after sheeps vote.

Right, but sheep himself did not continue the pressure.

He said he was voting for pressure, then did nothing to pressure other than the vote itself. It was just like "hey, let's pressure sesq with a vote" ... but saying it's a pressure vote, as jester pointed out, defeats the purpose. If you want to pressure someone, make them talk.

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Yo Sheep needs some more of those V-O-T-Es
-Ali

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I think this is provably untrue - could you provide supporting evidence that makes you believe this?

Yeah sure. Go look at your iso, then at yourself, then your iso, then at yourself.
-Ali

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Also losing confidence in Siblings Quarrel. The Sheep wagon feels very forced

How was it forced?
-Ali

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If you can't or won't explain yourself, then it's fair to vote you.

VOTE: Transcend

This might actually be a scumclaim? Maaaaaybe.
Idunno, will talk to Frogger about it.
-Ali

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Well at first it seemed like she wanted to ask some questions then back off, unlike Intermission who kept following up on what he was saying. If you claim that's her playstyle, then fine, I can accept that. But don't try to claim that my lack of meta-knowledge means I can't make a statement about what I think is suspicious because of "playstyle".

I'll claim whatever I want to claim tyvm.

Your scum read was based off "lots of questions, not much saying"

Yet you didn't even try to bother to figure out if that's her playstyle. You just pigeonholed her into scum for that. That's why I think it's bullshit, because you made ZERO attempt to understand if it's her playstyle. So yes, I will claim your lack of meta-knowledge means you can't make a statement about something suspicious since you didn't try to understand if it really is suspicious in the first place.

I'll give you a hint ... Bella as town isn't the most confident, is pretty cautious (which she's been with me so far), and doesn't play all tryhard.

Scum bella is a total tryhard and is more confident with her reads (I wonder why...because she knows who everyone is).

And if all you think is she's asked questions with not much saying, I'll disagree. She's made some subtle points that you haven't picked up on, and instead have just dismissed as questions without saying.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sheep just scumslipped. Subconsciously voted himself because he knows he's scum.

-Frog

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I literally didn't post between 1 and 4, so you called me out *before* you had a chance to see what I would do and called me scummy for not doing anything - how do you justify that?

And that's EXACTLY the problem.

You didn't follow up with any questions for sesq, and other pressure for sesq. Just a vote. It was clear you didn't care about *actually* pressuring him, just throwing a vote there instead to look like you were doing something.

You could have immediately followed your vote up with some pressure, challenged him on things in his ISO, asked him what he felt about certain people, but you didn't.

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Baaaaa

Vote: Intermission

I could also lynch Sesq (for coming across stilted to me, which, to stave off the inevitable question - is also how Intermission feels.)

I like Siblings and Jester for town.

How about we try to get Sesq to actually do something relevant to the game - or flash wagon him for funsises! Either way, we win.

Vote: Sesq

You could have pressured sesq on the things you think made him stilted. But you chose not to. Instead just a vote for pressure, but no ACTUAL pressure on him, like trying to sort him through pressing the "stilted" part or by interacting with him.

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How about we try to get Sesq to actually do something relevant to the game - or flash wagon him for funsises! Either way, we win.

Vote: Sesq

Instead of "flashwagoning him for funsies"

you should have chosen the "get Sesq to actually do something relevant to the game" part by questioning him. You had the opportunity LITERALLY within this post you made. You chose not to.

-Frog

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I tr ECM

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Actually, i wish both of the two latest town!posts'd been backed up by a vote

didn't quite get what you meant here

-Ribbit

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I want a lynch.

Can we lynch sheep, and then tomorrow plague and then possibly after that lntermission

/inb4 lining up lynches

-Ribbit

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I thought ecm and kop looked super townie, it frustrates me they don't have a vote down.

capisci?

I definitely think ECM is town and I'll hold opinion on Kop because he's just in the game but I did like his case on sheep, especially the part about sheep's first post of the game, which was something new added to the sheep case.

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@the plague, the easiest way to get more out of me is to actually ask me questions. if you can't work out my opinions and follow up (because i've had them and posted them), a vote is pointless - it doesn't help you sort me.

This is also probably the towniest thing said in the game.

-Ribbit

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Bella I'm bored.

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ribbit.

I have scum reeads. I have town reads. I'm...oddly surprised.

(frog, i have pretty confident reads, your meta on me tells you i'm scum )

DIE SCUMFUCK

-Ribbit

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do you really want a lynch at < 4 days though?

and, im hurt.

When I find confscum, yes.

Remember BEES when I was a scumfuck happy waiting until D1 deadline to lynch a cop?

I hate long drawn out games. Doesn't help my ADHD compulsive need for action.

-Ribbit

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True. remember when we won in 9 pages

OMG YES

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We're at 9 here and I called out the scumteam, so it'll sort of count as 9 pages when we do win.

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True. remember when we won in 9 pages

Oh.

We lost in 9 pages

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=63194

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And you're terrible

-Ribbit

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sheep just scumslipped. Subconsciously voted himself because he knows he's scum.

-Frog

this is a bullshit point

also sheep's reaction is pretty fine, or at least better than your push after catching up. While that wasn't a good vote, your push is looking more and more forced + scummy by the minute UNVOTE: Sheep

Come at us then and vote us

Triple dog dare you

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TRIPLE FROG DARE YOU

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You should be voting your strongest scumread

-Ribbit

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

gonna stop spamming now.

We actually won in 7.5 pages. The last bit was post game snuggles

-Ribbit

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@theplague42, seems your vote was on bellaphant for asking questions and not much else. If I'm understanding correctly, that's also Siblings' reasoning against Cooperative Sheep at the moment: asking questions and not following through. Does Sheep ping you the same way bellaphant does?

Plague should answer this pronto

-Ribbit

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If it's not sheep plague and inter I'll eat a fly

-Tibbit

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-Ribbit too

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Townbloc:

Us
Bella
ECM
Transcend
projectMatt
Kop
Sesq
Jester
Charloux

-Ribbit

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ITS A GOOD THING IM A FROG

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I'm ugly.

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^Obvfrog

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Trans, I'm disappointed in you.

You missed the joke

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Townbloc:

Us
Bella
ECM
Transcend
projectMatt
Kop
Sesq
Jester
Charloux

-Ribbit

that is way too big of a townbloc

lemme fix that for you

you guys, bella, mitch, me, kop, jester

(PS I love you. PS I also agree this is the real townbloc)

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oh i don't get it then

I townbloc'd everyone but the three people I think are a scumteam.

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"fwiw mds" what is this esperanto shit

anyway i'm wondering why you have me in yellow even though you townread me, is yellow nulltown now?

Esperanto

I miss espe

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@Mod can we get a prod for projectmatt. Jester will need one in 2 hours as well

too many damn people not playing.

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Baaaaa

Vote: Intermission

I could also lynch Sesq (for coming across stilted to me, which, to stave off the inevitable question - is also how Intermission feels.)

I like Siblings and Jester for town.

I read through the thread, this vote absolutely stinks. I understand pressure wagons, and RVS votes do tend to build up a little wagon with people jumping on willy nilly, but this point of the thread, I feel that the game was getting beyond RVS and starting to get serious, then you jump onto the biggest wagon at the time, with no reason apart from sheeping.

Sheep should address this.

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What hole? Post 182?

Yeah, it's a pretty big hole.
His case is predicated on how I should have pushed sooner than I did - even though I didn't post at all in the apparent theory timeframe that would have been the 'town' timeframe to post,a nd also ignores that I did immediately follow up on my question and pressure when next I posted.

The case is utter bollocks.

It's not a huge hole. you could have pressured sesq in the exact post you voted him, or with immediate follow ups to engage/interact with him. You did neither.

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Sheep talk to me about plague. What are your thoughts on him?

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Hi

What's up T

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Sheep's only scumhunting this day phase is that our case on him is not good.

That's it. That's literally it.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Sheep do you suddenly not want to press sesq anymore?

Seems odd that you're just dropping the sesq stuff.

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Siblings, why am I in your townbloc in #231 when at the time I had contributed literally nothing?

I WAS MAKING A JOKE

Good lord people

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Trans, I'm disappointed in you.

You missed the joke

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matt...

I was scumreading sheep, inter, and plague

my townbloc was everyone else. As a joke.

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Sheep is at L-2 I believe.

Sesq unvoted sheep

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sheep just scumslipped. Subconsciously voted himself because he knows he's scum.

-Frog

this is a bullshit point

also sheep's reaction is pretty fine, or at least better than your push after catching up. While that wasn't a good vote, your push is looking more and more forced + scummy by the minute UNVOTE: Sheep

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@Mod I think you have sesq voting sheep, but that's an unvote in 220

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The way the intermission wagon fell apart in general is making me a little twitchy, as is the unannounced l-1.

also, th townbloc joke was p. obvs.

ITS NOT L-1

WHY IS EVEYRONE TRIGGERING ME

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I don't townread KOP because his play thus far has been just parroting off the already existing scumread on Sheep. I need to see more from him.

Kop's first point on sheep was actually not made yet by anyone.

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10-4

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if i'm being honest, none of your posts gave me much of an impression. like, at all.

Sounds like bella to me

*ducks*

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SHEEP CLAIM PLEASE

Scum is in sheep, plague, sesq/charloux/inter

starting to doubt it's inter.

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ECM we need a claim from sheep first before you vote

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I don't hate lolhammers as much as others do, but I want a claim here

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yay bella

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can we lynch sesq?

not now

sheep is at L-1 and we're waiting for a claim

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if we think the claim is something to abandon ship then we can surely look at sesq harder. But sheep is fucking scummy so we need this claim.

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Townbloc:
Me
Bella
ECM
projectmatt
Transcend
Jester

not town bloc:
charl
sesq
sheep
inter
plague
kop -- although I feel good about kop

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that's fine.

we wait for a claim

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bella if you derail this wagon...

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...prematurely

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the only reason I hate being on the left coast is because now we're 8 hours apart instead of 5

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^Policy lynch this^

-Ali

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If it's not sheep plague and inter I'll eat a fly

-Tibbit

Someone prepare a fly then.

I'll buy Sheep being scum, but I don't think Intermission is. As the Siblings so strongly pointed out, Intermission has made at least

one

good point.

Bella I'm bored.

Well, if you insist.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

WHAT THE FUCK

-RIBBIT

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WE WERE WAITING FOR A FUCKING CLAIM FOR A REASON

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nah the way plague did it was scummy and weird

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who cares it was caughtscum lol

I care.

I had reasons for wanting a claim

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Let's drink.

1 beer/hr until mod flips scum

I really hope sheep is scum or I daid

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ffs Frogger I'm UNDERAGED
-Ali

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Tho in October I went to Spain and I had 3 beers and it was an interesting experience.
-Ali

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ffs Frogger I'm UNDERAGED
-Ali

I'm the corrupt older sibling

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Tho in October I went to Spain and I had 3 beers and it was an interesting experience.
-Ali

Just wait till you have 3 bong hits

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put it in the hydra pt n1c

blacklisted

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jk ly