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[mastina]

Correct.
I don't want to reevaluate at this stage, no!

I have one interest and one interest only: lynching scum.
I will lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum.
That player is hands-down malpascp.

[MathBlade]

Correct.
I don't want to reevaluate at this stage, no!

I have one interest and one interest only: lynching scum.
I will lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum.
That player is hands-down malpascp.

No he doesn't.

Wow. Mastina. Just wow.

[mastina]

There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

Which is one reason I'm scumreading you and malpascp!

[mastina]

Looking forward to you breaking this game open

I did!
I am town.
There's a shitton of reasons why Almost50 is town.
KMD is also town.

So two scum in the remaining four players.
malpascp has been a scumfuck all game long.
You have been a scumfuck all game long.
You two are defending each other.
Both of you are hedging your bets. You are pushing every stance possible.
You also were personally responsible for a lot of shitty assumptions about Smackdown.
So of the four, you two are my top picks for being scum.

KMD rose some good points about McMenno. I also feel like McMenno-malpascp cannot be the scumteam.
So the possibilities there are:
McMenno-Columbo
McMenno-Mathblade
Columbo-malpascp
Columbo-Mathblade
Mathblade-malpascp.

We've got three lynches, so we can eliminate/confirm scumteams as we go. malpascp is my top priority.

[mastina]

The only think that worries me is if that slot IS Scum, in which case I white flag already!

If you truly believe this, then vote along-side me.
I know KMD will vote with me on malpascp.
You shouldn't be obectionable to voting malpascp.

And from there it's just a matter of convincing one of McMenno/Columbo to go along with lynching malpascp. With luck, Mathblade's scum, because if one of them is scum they're probably not going to vote their scumbuddy and that means we'd need the whole town save Mathblade to get a lynch there which would fucking suck.

At this stage, reads would be:
KMD
Almost50
McMenno
Columbo
Mathblade
malpascp.

[MathBlade]

There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

Which is one reason I'm scumreading you and malpascp!

Then lynch me first which proves Mal Town and forces you to bus A50 oh wait...you won't do that.

[malpascp]

lmao

So scumteam is me/Mathblade because I've "been a scumfuck" and because of Math doing setup spec (which actually makes sense since Smackdown is over).

Also McMenno is in your top 3 townreads.

I suggest you go read the game. Because half the things you refer didn't actually happen.

Seems like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to look town to me.

Pedit: i guess mastina also missed the fact Math is a fucking confirmed dayvig

[MathBlade]

lmao

So scumteam is me/Mathblade because I've "been a scumfuck" and because of Math doing setup spec (which actually makes sense since Smackdown is over).

Also McMenno is in your top 3 townreads.

I suggest you go read the game. Because half the things you refer didn't actually happen.

Seems like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to look town to me.

Pedit: i guess mastina also missed the fact Math is a fucking confirmed dayvig

Mastina is just scum. Lol.

Like it is terribad obvious.

Her and A50.

Mastina why couldn't you have been Town?

[mastina]

Pedit: i guess mastina also missed the fact Math is a fucking confirmed dayvig

Nope!
Read the entire game, think it was a scumvig. Have very good reasons for that.

Two can play the softclaim game.

Also,

Mod:

About to lose power at my house. V/LA for indeterminable amount of time.

[Ms Columbo]

@mastina - Welcome to the game!

@mastina and @kmd - My hang-up on Math is the confirmed day-vig. Do you really believe scum was given a day-Vig?

Here's how the roles played out on SD - before trading started:

Town

Maria - mason w/ Pepto, conditional 2 shot day-Vig
Pepto - mason w/ Maria, conditional 2 shot day-Vig
KT - insane doctor (50% chance to protect or kill)
Tywin - hated (-1 to lynch, lylo excluded)
Creature - loved (+1 to lynch, lylo excluded)
Gamma - could change roster once
IAI - reflect a day action
DS - Could use finisher in a death match
Massive (manager) - Modified gladiator and a couple minor others
Vifam - VT

Scum

Titus - role cop
Grey - goon
Zefiend - goon


On our brand we know:

Town

Nero - neighborizer
LUV - VT
Dodge - VT
Narna - VT
Penguinos - VT

Scum

Leon - bodyguard

Still alive

Almost (manager) - Modified Gladiator
Math - day-vig
Remaining players roles unknown

I just don't see how it makes sense to give scum a day-vig given SD roles and what we know of ours so far. That's why I am town reading Math. Apart from this, Math looks scummy. How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

[mastina]

Mastina why couldn't you have been Town?

I am! And rather obviously, painfully so!
So's Almost50, which makes your scumread there all the worse.

[mastina]

How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

Because of town roles in the unclaimed.

I am one of them.

And I'm telling you I don't buy Mathblade's role as town.

[MathBlade]

How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

Because of town roles in the unclaimed.

I am one of them.

And I'm telling you I don't buy Mathblade's role as town.

Then lynch me like I offered.

Mal is likely redacted.
I don't believe you as a PR.
And Ank is scum because as soon as I suspected him he gladiated me.

You're just scared of what you'll do when I flip Town.

[Kmd4390]

Columbo, I'm not exactly a balance guru. I just don't mod enough to do all of that. That's why I judge based on play. I'm confident that the scum are in you/malpa/math. I can't rule out mcmenno for sure, but I think he's town. Almost feels obvtown to me. And mastina is town. So process of elimination supports my trio of possibilities too.

And yeah, when we're done talking this out I'm probably going to vote malpa.

Math, you flipping town wouldn't prove anything about malpa. It increases the odds of him being scum because the scum pool shrinks. That's about it.

[Ms Columbo]

How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

Because of town roles in the unclaimed.

I am one of them.

And I'm telling you I don't buy Mathblade's role as town.

OK, I still think the McMenno/Malp is a possibility. Malp has given McMenno lots of grief about his play but I don't think there was ever a serious push on him. I can see that interaction as being scum/scum. I'm not sure why scum!Math begs to lynch them first when scum!Math should know it wouldn't change anything. Although, I haven't understood most of Math's play this game, why should I expect it to change now.

[Ms Columbo]

Columbo, I'm not exactly a balance guru. I just don't mod enough to do all of that. That's why I judge based on play. I'm confident that the scum are in you/malpa/math. I can't rule out mcmenno for sure, but I think he's town. Almost feels obvtown to me. And mastina is town. So process of elimination supports my trio of possibilities too.

For better or worse, I believe you. If you and mastina are the scum team - you are doing a heck of a job. I don't blame you for thinking I might be scum, my play after D1 has been bad. I didn't realize how hard it would be to play once work resumed after the holidays.

I hope you are right about Math, because if Math is town, we are set to lose to mislynch. I'm good with a malp lynch. I would like to hear Almost's thoughts first.

Regarding McMenno - I don't understand a town read. Is it a meta thing? I don't see any reason to town read him. That doesn't mean he has to be scum, but what in this game makes him town? If it's because of his opening play, I simply will never agree with that.

[Kmd4390]

Leon's reaction to McMenno's shot on thinkbig doesn't sound like something a scumbuddy would say in the thread. I didn't like it when he said it because it sounded like scum who thought it was funny to see town abilities used up. If I was right about the way Leon saw that, it means McMenno is town. Before seeing that Leon was scum, it was more gut and my perception of why he chose thinkbig for the shot.

[Vince McMahon]

Given that the other thread was closed, and given that the other scumteam (ALL of the other scumteam) avoided commenting, I think it quite likely that they were in fact in communication. I mean, I suppose it's possible they weren't, and just knew each other.
Or they weren't, didn't know each other, but Leonshade informed them.

But being in communication makes sense to me.

Couldn't hurt to ask the mod, though.

Mod: did the scumteams between games have the ability to communicate with each other?

Sorry I didn't read this earlier. I didn't expect this game being so active while I was watching the Super Bowl. :-p
But I can't answer this question.

[Vince McMahon]

Vote Count 4.04

Ms. Columbo

(0/4)

-

Mastina

(2/4)

- McMenno, MathBlade

Kmd4390

(0/4)

-

Almost50

(0/4)

-

McMenno

(0/4)

-

MathBlade

(0/4)

-

Malpascp

(1/4)

- Mastina

Not Voting:

Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390, Almost50, Malpascp

Notes:

- Mastina is on V/LA pending power issues.
- I also reserve the possibility to extend deadline due to Mastina's replacing in.

(expired on 2017-02-11 12:20:00) until the end of Day Four.
With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.

[Almost50]

My thoughts? Kmd is currently the only slot I have confidence being Town. I have issues with everyone else' play (Mastina's slot due to her predecessors).

@Mastina:

I know Math's play doesn't make any sense, but that's exactly why I'm not as confident as you are in them being scum. Another game has just ended. Here Math replaced in on D5 while I had replaced in on D2. Math immediately started tunneling me (as usual) and made a ton of illogical assumptions as well. At one point they even accepted me being Town but still pushed for my lynch regardless.

Now the only difference between their pay there and in this game is that they first Town read me here then started Scum reading me out of nowhere rather than Scum read me from the word go.

It also worries me that you opted to scum read Mal the most. Granted, I cannot Town case him per se, but it was obvious by the time you replaced in that everyone (including me) would settle for lynching Mal (except for Math that is), so it looks like he easiest push and you hardly presented a case there. At least do present your case so I won't feel like a total ass sheeping you.

[malpascp]

Hahaha it just came to me, the scumteam is mastina/McMenno.
Mastina keeps going in depth about the meaningless stuff, but states both scum and town reads with nothing to back them up. Also through this putting McMenno as a townread for fuckall reason (like has happened 20 times in this game already). Then votes me and calls me buddies with Math for buddying (even though contrary to a certain someone I did provide reasons for my read).
It's like he's trying to piss me off. And he's managing to because people are suddenly sheeping that slot for some reason. I guess they relate to the fact one more person is yet again TRing McMenno.
I'd really really like to know who thinks Math can still be scum. Or rather, who thinks Math is more likely to be scum than mastina.

[Almost50]

Hahaha it just came to me, the scumteam is mastina/McMenno.

McMenno canNOT be Scum with Mastina. Check the VC. McMenno was the only one voting Pep already before Mastina replaced in, and now Math has joined him.

Now I could -theoretically- accept a McMenno+Mathblade Scum team (and I stress in the word "theoretically"), but I cannot see a McMenno+Mastina Scum duo.

I am now waiting on Mastina to lay out her case against you and I might actually vote you if I get convinced. The funny hing is Pep was becoming my biggest scum read before he replaced out, but I'm not sure anymore. Even funnier is that you're promoting a Scum duo in McMenno/Mastina yet are not voting either, and it feels like you might be trying to push a mislynch without actually being on it.

[Almost50]

@Mastina:

Btw; another reason why I don't think Math+Mal works as a Scum duo is the fact Math is a busser. They're not Titus, y'know, so they wouldn't defend their Scum partner his hard. To me it could be Scum trying to pocket Town (and it's working) or Town hard reading X (X being either alignment).

[Kmd4390]

I'd really really like to know who thinks Math can still be scum. Or rather, who thinks Math is more likely to be scum than mastina.

Me.

Also, there's enough in the thread today for me to put my vote back on.

Vote Malpa

[MathBlade]

My thoughts? Kmd is currently the only slot I have confidence being Town. I have issues with everyone else' play (Mastina's slot due to her predecessors).

@Mastina:

I know Math's play doesn't make any sense, but that's exactly why I'm not as confident as you are in them being scum. Another game has just ended. Here Math replaced in on D5 while I had replaced in on D2. Math immediately started tunneling me (as usual) and made a ton of illogical assumptions as well. At one point they even accepted me being Town but still pushed for my lynch regardless.

Now the only difference between their pay there and in this game is that they first Town read me here then started Scum reading me out of nowhere rather than Scum read me from the word go.

It also worries me that you opted to scum read Mal the most. Granted, I cannot Town case him per se, but it was obvious by the time you replaced in that everyone (including me) would settle for lynching Mal (except for Math that is), so it looks like he easiest push and you hardly presented a case there. At least do present your case so I won't feel like a total ass sheeping you.

1) No. I was tunneling Maxous while getting enough information to lynch his butt. I tunnelled you after the Maxous flip and especially with what seemed like a really freaking weird claim.

2) I didn't scumread you out of no where. I scumread you after my vig shot flipped town and they said to take a look at you. Which I did. They were wrong about Nero but I don't think they'd be wrong about you and Nero.

3) Your gladiate was a sheer panic.

4) You are claiming a sheep in advance while distancing. This is a common scum tactic with buddies.

Please both mastina and A50 need rope so freakin badly.