Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[RagingSpammers]

FTR if i said lion i meant leonshade because he changed his avi
-CK

[MagnaofIllusion]

One of my favorite towntells is when someone appears to be posting what comes to their mind without filtering it. Spammers appear to be very much that way, without trying too hard to look like it.

Do you really believe this? If so then I have to filter my expectations of your play through a new lens because that is a bad, bad philosophy.

[RagingSpammers]

To be fair, i also think its a really bad reason to townread someone, i cant say for ali but if you try to read me from my tone you will fail but with extensive meta knowledge

Also hi magna, can you give me a condensed of your reads please

-CK

[Infinity 324]

Realize that I'm still on page 14 so my read is based off of mainly stuff up to there. Cakez's first post had a lot of points I agreed with for example leon's first post being scummy (although I townread leon after) and gin & spammers being town.

Forgot to talk about aella, I liked their reasons to townread prohwak early (though I may be biased )

PEdit: MoI idk what to tell you man, I've seen scum convincingly fake that style about once or twice in the past 10 months of playing mafia. So yes I do really believe that.

[Infinity 324]

To be fair, i also think its a really bad reason to townread someone, i cant say for ali but if you try to read me from my tone you will fail but with extensive meta knowledge

Ir's not tone. It's more like a demeanor. I can't really explain it well, but it's a very reliable tell for me.

[Infinity 324]

MoI, see nero cain's play in the princess bride for a good example of what I'm talking about

[eagerSnake]

To be fair, i also think its a really bad reason to townread someone, i cant say for ali but if you try to read me from my tone you will fail but with extensive meta knowledge

Ir's not tone. It's more like a demeanor. I can't really explain it well, but it's a very reliable tell for me.

What you are explaining is read experience learned on a subconscious level which makes perfect sense to me

[Infinity 324]

Nothing much on 15 or 16, but I liked a lot of alisae's questions there.

PEdit: I'm glad someone understands

[Infinity 324]

Spoiler: page 17

This is funny because we actually have a dayvig shot

- Vifam

Dayvig:Eagersnake

...

come on guys, dayvig claims were old when I started playing 3 years ago.

@eager what do you think is town about ragingspam?

I felt the whole page 1 thing was rather townie while I witnessed it happening real-time.

Alisae and CK I have played with both of them as town and don't see or feel any noticeable difference here.

Hey Laaaaaaaane, why did you drop the interaction here?
-Ali

Because I was busy doing other things. Keep reading

@lane I can't find where you followed up, where was it?

Now that you've started posting good content, nothing actually. I do like how you're getting super engaged now and I think my early analysis of lurky scum is wrong so I'm going to rethink.

They kept doing the same awkward posts despite getting a lot of shit for them. Like if I'm RS scum and start getting a lot of scumreads for awkwardness then I'm going to want to back off and start rethinking posting, not keep hyperposting.

I like this stuff

^ question for lane

[lane0168]

I never did

[Infinity 324]

Ok, why did you end the interaction there? What did you think of eager's response?

[Leonshade]

VOTE: leonshade

I think this'll be scum knowing there's spyro. He says he's unsure of alignment of spyro, but did zero research to maybe figure out if it was. Seems like something you might do. But did no digging, considering he didn't know if it was AI, and didn't know town fraction is "loyal to spyro".

Wouldn't you at least try to look at the setup, and look for anything hinting at alignment and see if there is anything alluding to spyro's alignment?

That still looks to be like someone who knows spyros alignment and wanted to be cautious and make it look like he didn't know

I unvoted and said he was probably town. I'm not going to spend time "digging" for info on a townread, least of all one no one was going to agree to lynch that day anyway.

I can't think of another game where the name of the town alignment would have been relevant to the name of a role. I said what I said about flavor-alignment links because there are mods like Magna who delight in subverting the expected link between alignment and flavor (in OotS Mafia my flavor was the main character, but he was a lyncher instead of a town member). I don't know if TTH is a mod like that, nor do I like to try and outguess the mod (people who try that usually get it wrong).

I stand by what I said, Snake is probably town but Spyro isn't the same as an Innocent Child. My role confirms it's not a fakeclaim, but I have no reason to exclude the possibility of TTH pulling the reverse of that role Magna linked and linking my role to a scum player.

The bolded interests me. How much experience have you had with games where merely claiming a flavor confirms someone as town? Mods usually keep the possibility of a mass flavorclaim in mind and design their setups around it.

[Infinity 324]

Why are we having a discussion about whether someone who essentially claimed vig on ~page 10 is scum?

I didn't bother pointing out the posts, but I have a very strong townread on eager anyway.

[Leonshade]

One of my favorite towntells is when someone appears to be posting what comes to their mind without filtering it. Spammers appear to be very much that way, without trying too hard to look like it.

Do you really believe this? If so then I have to filter my expectations of your play through a new lens because that is a bad, bad philosophy.

I can relate to the idea, since lying doesn't come naturally to me. But there are people who can spew BS at the drop of a hat, and I can't project my limitations onto others.

[Infinity 324]

Wait

FA, cakez, leon, and others all apparently believe scum would claim vig early on d1 with no pressure on them

what am I missing

PEdit: I don't think there are people who can just spew BS unfiltered without it being obvious lies; I think there are people who can spew BS and make it look like it's unfiltered, and I can usually tell the difference between that and real stream-of-consciousness.

[Infinity 324]

Don't worry, Not_Mafia is getting vigged tonight.

He basically claimed vig on page 11, which guarantees his lynch on d2 when there's only 1 kill or n1 if there's another vig.

It's bad play, but he's essentially confirmed town.

[lane0168]

It wasn't a town read. You were voting there. You unvoted with the claim? I just think maybe you would've checked to see if there was any information that would hint at spyros alignment. Because figuring out people's alignment is how you play this game. Scum don't need to if course

I couldn't tell you how much experience I have with that. I can't remember. I don't know that it's relevant considering you not knowing the alignment is not the reason for the vote. It's the fact you didn't do the simple things that could've alluded to it. Like read the setup

[lane0168]

@leon

[lane0168]

Why are we having a discussion about whether someone who essentially claimed vig on ~page 10 is scum?

I didn't bother pointing out the posts, but I have a very strong townread on eager anyway.

We're not. At least I'm not

[RadiantCowbells]

I am probably going to replace out if FA is done. I'll give a final answer tonight. I might be wrong on secondpick Infinity and he might just be an obtuse dumbfuck who legitimately thinks that he can read me.

I am not, however, wrong on Gin. N_M just counterclaimed Gin. I love who everyone is trying to sweep that fact under the rug.

[Infinity 324]

What did you think of eager's response?

@lane

[lane0168]

Ok, why did you end the interaction there? What did you think of eager's response?

I focused on other things. It didn't strike me one way or another. It didn't convince me rs was town. It wasn't something I was about to go meta diving for and fact check. And i wouldn't have gotten a better answer that did convince me considering it was meta and eagers opinion. I didn't see a need to continue it. You're welcome to though.

[lane0168]

What did you think of eager's response?

@lane

Chill

[Infinity 324]

I am not, however, wrong on Gin. N_M just counterclaimed Gin. I love who everyone is trying to sweep that fact under the rug.

I love how you sweep under the rug the fact that I played in a mini normal with 2 town rolecop neighbors.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am willing to be vigged if I am wrong about Gin. I am that convinced that he is scum. The fact that he just got CCed just makes me wonder how no one else is seeing it.

As to whether Infinity is scum? Truthfully I don't know: but I do know that he is scum's MVP up to this point in the game and would cry no tears if he flipped town.