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Post Post #413  (isolation #0)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:04 pm

UNVOTE:

Hi all, will catch up soon.

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Post Post #416  (isolation #1)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:34 pm

Yes on both counts.

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Post Post #421  (isolation #2)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:55 pm

In post 417, KainTepes wrote:OK,, so can you tell us what youanswered for the QUESTION about whether you like to play as town or scum or third party??

Not at this time since the odds are 50-50 on you or someone else needing this info to murder people.

If you want answers from people you should focus on convincing them to trust you first.

A survey related info role could be mafia or town depending on a lot of factors.

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Post Post #422  (isolation #3)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:57 pm

People who dismissed this as a concern too quickly should prob be looked at closely.

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Post Post #443  (isolation #4)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:35 pm

I love Narna's posts. He's my strongest townread right now.
Lane and drealmerz are okay, not as strong though.

Kain has done nothing town and I'd be open to lynching him.

zefiend was probably meant to sound super town but it has the opposite effect on me.
Also dislike his push on desperado - not genuine.

VOTE: zefiend

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Post Post #446  (isolation #5)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:56 pm

yeeeaaahhh
There's nothing policy about this one

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Post Post #449  (isolation #6)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 448, lane0168 wrote:Jeez you guys make compelling cases

The people who make the most compelling cases are often scum in my experience.

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Post Post #456  (isolation #7)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:24 pm

In post 451, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 443, Azral wrote:I love Narna's posts. He's my strongest townread right now.
Lane and drealmerz are okay, not as strong though.

Kain has done nothing town and I'd be open to lynching him.

zefiend was probably meant to sound super town but it has the opposite effect on me.
Also dislike his push on desperado - not genuine.

VOTE: zefiend

What's not genuine about it?

More or less everything.
You take small, neutral things people do and try to spin a case on them.
People aren't always logic machines, that doesn't make them mafia.

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Post Post #462  (isolation #8)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:03 pm

you guys are making me feel so old

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Post Post #471  (isolation #9)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:25 pm

Let's lynch zefiend!

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Post Post #480  (isolation #10)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:44 pm

In post 473, ɀefiend wrote:Way to be as vague as possible. I only cased one person, and they are doing a decent enough job of responding to my points that we are making progress. Your last statement is out of left field and makes no sense. If that statement was consistent with my mentality, then drealmerz would be my #1 scumread.

I mean. Desperado basically said two things:

- McMemmo is scummy. (He is.)

- Any interaction between players can be studied, but focusing too much on the questionnaire gives scum an easy IIoA avenue. (This shouldn't be controversial.)

This led to you accusing him of confirmation bias, being dodgy, ignoring other wagons, not having reads and generally having a bad "methodology."

Doesn't feel genuine to me on D1.

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Post Post #481  (isolation #11)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:48 pm

In post 470, Desperado wrote:ATTENTION; ALL THREE OF THE CURRENT WAGONS ARE ON TOWN.

Can you elaborate on this?

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Post Post #487  (isolation #12)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 483, ɀefiend wrote:Ok, so you're not actually reading the game. You're skimming it and summarizing people's points to what you feel. I'm not going to engage you any further. If you want to have a nuanced conversation about it (like Desperado and I did) then I will try to work with you again.

Ok. I'll keep my vote on you then.

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Post Post #497  (isolation #13)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:11 pm

In post 488, Desperado wrote:
In post 481, Azral wrote:Can you elaborate on this?


Think I already have.

Don't think so. You explained your drael read, but this is your first time saying davsto is town AFAICT, and you haven't said why. (Wagon composition?)

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Post Post #498  (isolation #14)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:12 pm

In post 494, KainTepes wrote:i think THERE MUST BE SCUM THAT IS LURKING,,

Agree on this.

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Post Post #501  (isolation #15)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:22 pm

Those posts are consistent with you townreading those players, but they don't answer the question.

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Post Post #504  (isolation #16)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:32 pm

No? Obviously?

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Post Post #507  (isolation #17)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:46 pm

In post 505, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 498, Azral wrote:
In post 494, KainTepes wrote:i think THERE MUST BE SCUM THAT IS LURKING,,

Agree on this.

would you agree also that KT is a lurker at this point?

On the one hand yes.
On the other hand 494 is a positive step toward real content so let's encourage that.

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Post Post #514  (isolation #18)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:03 pm

In post 511, Desperado wrote:I'm really not being cagey about any of this so I don't understand why people keep making me repeat myself.

You really are being cagey.

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Post Post #528  (isolation #19)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:06 pm

You're being hard to talk to and putting way more effort into not answering questions than it would take to answer them, which probably makes you scum.

(Is this the nuance you were talking about, zefiend?)

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Post Post #529  (isolation #20)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 521, Desperado wrote:What do you make of McMenno contradicting exactly what we're discussing right now?

I'd argue this makes him more likely to be town.

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Post Post #530  (isolation #21)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:08 pm

well - not that much more likely, but I'd edge him in a town direction based on it.

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Post Post #534  (isolation #22)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:32 pm

So the nuance is on your part, not his. Got it.

I feel like everyone is ignoring you this game. Seriously, try searching the thread for your name.

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Post Post #536  (isolation #23)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:17 pm

True but how many of those people have said anything about your alignment?

And I agree.

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Post Post #538  (isolation #24)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:34 am

is that what he's saying?

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Post Post #543  (isolation #25)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:05 am

Well if that's what he's saying, he should have used the words policy lynch so we could all properly dismiss it as a ridiculous idea and move on with our lives.

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Post Post #546  (isolation #26)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:21 am

It seems likely to me that you're misinterpreting him, Ari.

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Post Post #549  (isolation #27)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:34 am

No, I mean you're projecting your own interpretation onto Desp's posts to try to make sense of his read. But without Desp actually saying the words, that's all it is and quite likely to be wrong. Is he the type to recommend we just policy lynch all the active lurkers? I kind of doubt it.

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Post Post #563  (isolation #28)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:50 pm

Snarky is probably scum.

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Post Post #570  (isolation #29)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:39 pm

In post 568, McMenno wrote:
In post 565, Davsto wrote:wow what a great way to disprove their accusations

Get yourself together and start doing something.

im votin' you friend

Top 3 scum reads right now?

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Post Post #575  (isolation #30)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:37 pm

The town ponders the use of minimalism as a narrative device in game posts.


No idea what anyone would like about that zefiend post.

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Post Post #577  (isolation #31)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:26 am

Maybe.

I have a conception in my head of how you might play out the rest of the day as town vs mafia and I'm ready for either.

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Post Post #597  (isolation #32)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:27 pm

Ok Desp. I'll back you on this.

VOTE: McMemmo

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Post Post #598  (isolation #33)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:27 pm

I agree that none of the top 3 wagons are any good.

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Post Post #625  (isolation #34)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:49 pm

In post 624, McMenno wrote:man I'm pretty sure aristatuephanes is not scum

This is a good post.
Who else?

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Post Post #631  (isolation #35)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:04 pm

What are your reads these days, KAIN TEPES?

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Post Post #633  (isolation #36)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:41 pm

No you don't.

Also your read on me doesn't help me at all. Give me your non-me reads.

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Post Post #634  (isolation #37)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:46 pm

In all seriousness KAIN TEPES I've never seen you before this game but I think you are one of the most hilarious posters on MS.

It's just I have this silly win condition that requires me to sort hilarious town from hilarious scum and that's why I'd very much appreciate some reads from you.

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Post Post #636  (isolation #38)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:56 pm

I will get a read on KAIN TEPES or die trying!

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Post Post #638  (isolation #39)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:29 am

Sure.

Who else is not scum?
Or who else is?

Whichever you find more fun to answer.

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Post Post #643  (isolation #40)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:20 pm

In post 640, McMenno wrote:
In post 638, Azral wrote:Sure.

Who else is not scum?
Or who else is?

Whichever you find more fun to answer.

uuuhm...

I think narna is not scum

I agree with you there.

Don't get your Davsto vote though. What's he done that's so bad?

IIRC dreal also suggested he could be scum.

Snarky said it too, but we all know he's mafia so it doesn't count.

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Post Post #648  (isolation #41)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:30 pm

In post 647, SnarkySnowman wrote:I'll consider mcMenno, I gotta read up a little though.

This is a good post.
Top 3 scum reads?

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Post Post #650  (isolation #42)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:10 pm

That's one.

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Post Post #655  (isolation #43)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:14 pm

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I dunno, this smells like a trap. Why out Ari?

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Post Post #660  (isolation #44)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:41 pm

In post 659, McMenno wrote:psa no one cares bout your homesite meta

how do you & aristo win? do you both have to survive?

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Post Post #666  (isolation #45)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 551, McMenno wrote:aristophanes I thought we were going to be active lurking this game get your shit together please

in more ways than one

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Post Post #667  (isolation #46)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:03 pm

Quote fail.

FWIW I don't believe they are a faction of neutral survivors. Since when is that even a thing.

However I agree that McMenno should be lynched one way or another.

VOTE: McMenno

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Post Post #668  (isolation #47)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:04 pm

In post 664, McMenno wrote:and also some other cool stuff

Like the ability to murder people at night.

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Post Post #669  (isolation #48)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:06 pm

Or they're a cult, that's another possibility.

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Post Post #683  (isolation #49)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:04 pm

Congrats!

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Post Post #684  (isolation #50)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:53 am

@ Snarky, Narna, KAIN TEPES and Gamma:

Need 2 of you to vote McMenno before deadline.

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Post Post #694  (isolation #51)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:57 pm

In a worst case scenario we could switch to Ari and then we'd only need six active voters.

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Post Post #703  (isolation #52)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:34 pm

Plus they might be recruitable.

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Post Post #731  (isolation #53)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:41 pm

I can't imagine any world where that is true.

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Post Post #733  (isolation #54)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:58 pm

Still parsing things, will get back to you.

I would like to know why you put Alisae so low on your popcorn list.

I did some rereading during n1 and came to several conclusions.

1) zefiend is actually my only strong townread

2) desperado started the game with secret knowledge, and this does not make him town

3) the game state makes the most sense of the majority of players are either mafia, third party, or otherwise have killing roles

There's also a fourth thing but it's complicated and I'm not sure whether I want to deal with it today.

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Post Post #734  (isolation #55)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:59 pm

I would prefer not to mass claim right now.

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Post Post #735  (isolation #56)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:01 pm

A secret knowledge mass claim might be useful though.

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Post Post #746  (isolation #57)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:47 pm

VOTE: Snarky

No reason for a mass claim, game is probably almost over anyway.

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Post Post #752  (isolation #58)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:54 pm

zefiend, what did snarky answer to the question you chose?

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Post Post #761  (isolation #59)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:57 pm

Yeah massclaim is fine with the cop guilty.

Let's have Frank or Alisae start and popcorn from there.

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Post Post #762  (isolation #60)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:58 pm

I'd prefer Frank start, but I'm pretty sure that waiting for him to come around will just stall the game.

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Post Post #764  (isolation #61)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:40 pm

UNVOTE:

(3 votes = L-1 with a secret double voter)

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Post Post #766  (isolation #62)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:56 pm

Hi Frank, please claim and name the person you'd like to claim next.

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Post Post #815  (isolation #63)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:44 pm

I'm a vig, none of the kills last night were me though.

I shot Snarky and he didn't die. Crumbed in - that was my fourth thing.

Popcorn to KAIN TEPES.

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Post Post #817  (isolation #64)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:24 am

Assuming BP of some kind yeah. Makes sense w/ all the killing roles.

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Post Post #819  (isolation #65)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:33 am

Those are possibilities.
Except doctor, that's crazy talk.

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Post Post #834  (isolation #66)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:54 pm

resists urge to start MD thread about this shit

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Post Post #842  (isolation #67)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:09 pm

zefiend your gambits are shit and so is your ability to read reactions, if town.

You allowed Snarky to be at L-1 for hours without retracting.

We didn't even get a clear read on him out of this. Awful.

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Post Post #843  (isolation #68)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:10 pm

In post 839, FrankJaeger wrote:Fuck it

VOTE: zefiend

Just let me shoot him tonight, much easier.

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Post Post #852  (isolation #69)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:59 pm

(pssst - check the last mod post)

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Post Post #855  (isolation #70)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:10 pm

So I was a bit harsh earlier, sorry for that.

zefiend what I don't understand is why you didn't just pick one of the survey responses claimed in the thread?

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Post Post #862  (isolation #71)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:20 am

What's an alien?

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Post Post #863  (isolation #72)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:54 am

Actually
In post 859, ɀefiend wrote:I liked Desperado and Alisae reactions because their momentum immediately shifted to "solving" the game and auto-winning, so-to-speak.

When and where did Alisae do that?

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Post Post #866  (isolation #73)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:02 am

There's no question that Desp did what you're saying he did.

How do you get "solving the game" and "auto-winning" from those Alisae posts?

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Post Post #867  (isolation #74)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:03 am

In post 865, ɀefiend wrote:An Alien is a neutral third party that "abducts" someone each night (jailkeeping them). When he abducts X players, or all living players have been abducted, the Alien satisfies his win-con and "flies away on his spaceship" (leaves the game.)

Thanks.

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Post Post #880  (isolation #75)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:48 pm

A

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Post Post #902  (isolation #76)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:00 am

I'm still a vig

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Post Post #905  (isolation #77)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:03 am

zefiend and KAIN TEPES should try to coordinate

maybe Alisae too

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Post Post #910  (isolation #78)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:40 am

I want to lynch among the investigative claims.

No way we've got that much investigative power AND desp/narna are masons.

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Post Post #911  (isolation #79)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:40 am

In post 896, KainTepes wrote:nothing happens,,i just know their answer

This one is just useless enough to be true imo.

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Post Post #924  (isolation #80)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:10 pm

In post 918, Narna wrote:I get to see how many people answered a question a certain way each night. 9 people said that they wanted their allignment choice to effect the rolls.

lane chose 3p and flipped town, so eh.

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Post Post #926  (isolation #81)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:14 pm

Lynch between Ali, zefiend, KT and Narna. In that order.

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Post Post #930  (isolation #82)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:15 pm

In post 927, Alisae wrote:wtf.
I rather lynch Frank cuz THATS NOT A DOCTOR.

what do you mean?

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Post Post #933  (isolation #83)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:18 pm

snarky can be 1-shot bp lyncher another day, I don't give a fuck lol

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Post Post #937  (isolation #84)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:20 pm

He's not wrong.

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Post Post #938  (isolation #85)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:23 pm

Evaluating his claim on its own ridiculous merits, I don't think he's mafia and I don't think he shot dreamrealz.

The exact way my shot was blocked doesn't matter.

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Post Post #939  (isolation #86)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:27 pm

In post 926, Azral wrote:Lynch between Ali, zefiend, KT and Narna. In that order.

I'd like to point out that Narna is the only person from this group with a halfway confirmable night action.

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Post Post #940  (isolation #87)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:27 pm

VOTE: Alisae

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Post Post #943  (isolation #88)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Frank were you told whether your doc action succeeded or not?

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Post Post #949  (isolation #89)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:06 am

Oh, there's a zefiend wagon.

VOTE: zefiend

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Post Post #951  (isolation #90)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:13 am

In what way?

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Post Post #953  (isolation #91)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:19 am

Sounds like you're not paying attention to the game. I've been pretty clear about thinking zefiend is someone we should lynch. If his wagon has more support than yours right now, fine.

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Post Post #954  (isolation #92)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:31 am

In post 840, Alisae wrote:
In post 839, FrankJaeger wrote:Fuck it

VOTE: zefiend
ewww
did I ever mention how I don't believe your doc claim?

In post 841, FrankJaeger wrote:
In post 840, Alisae wrote:
In post 839, FrankJaeger wrote:Fuck it

VOTE: zefiend
ewww
did I ever mention how I don't believe your doc claim?


No, go ahead.

In post 927, Alisae wrote:wtf.
I rather lynch Frank cuz THATS NOT A DOCTOR.

In post 942, FrankJaeger wrote:I think i would be called a questionnare doc


Ali why are you dodging on providing reasoning for this

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Post Post #956  (isolation #93)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:42 am

^terrible post
basically admitting the claim is probably legit, then ignoring it.


fwiw I have more reasons to believe frank is scum today than anyone else but doctor claim = assume true as far as I'm concerned.

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Post Post #958  (isolation #94)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:33 am

I am. (I assume we're both limited or just one of us is)

There is less reason to think town has 6 investigative/clearing powers.

The setup is probably: People get the alignment they asked for, up to the point when that becomes unbalanced. Then they get another role xyzzy thinks they'd like.

We know from Narna that 9 people (majority) wanted alignments to affect roles, and we know from McMenno that a lot of people wanted 3p/scum.

Ali's predecessor asked for 3P which is a slight nudge toward her being scum but eh.

Also we know we have a double voter who hasn't claimed today - that person is likely scum for not claiming. We might be able to clear people by bringing wagons to L-1.

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Post Post #969  (isolation #95)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:23 pm

People don't always do what you'd expect them to do.

The fact is his claim is suspicious.

I would prefer Ali though, seems stronger.

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Post Post #974  (isolation #96)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:17 pm

In post 971, SnarkySnowman wrote:Azral, I think the claim is more believable than watcher or vig

We can agree on the watcher part - that's something.

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Post Post #987  (isolation #97)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:35 pm

In post 975, Desperado wrote:if you had flipped scum there would only be one scum left, max. any more would mean we started with an SK, three group scum, and a two man survivor team, which means it would have been 7 v 3 v 2 v 1

ps i dont trust anything you say. your information suggests it was two man survivor team + sk + one scum + three other third parties (four if you go by what you said originally), which means it would have been....6v2v1v1v1v1v1(v1)?

lol

In post 976, SnarkySnowman wrote:I mean you assume I don't think it's ridiculous? Come on now :/ m
My guess is there are only 4 town (based on Narnas claimed info) and it's more like 4v2v2v1v1v1v1 or something silly like that. Clearly this is an extremely bastard game, do you expect it to follow normal proportions?

In post 980, FrankJaeger wrote:Is 2 vigs normal? Couldnt a scum just say they are a vig in this situation?

okay I'm gonna need you all to wake up to facts that are right in front of you.

Roles were not randomly assigned. Obviously.

The setup is not normal. Strong odds it's not even balanced. It has a shit ton of factions, whether or not Snarky is telling us the truth, a shit ton of killing roles, weird mechanics (secret double votes, possible influence by dead players, mid-game changes at mod discretion, ???), possible (unconfirmed) lynchers. Some players have extra info.

If you're lynching based on expecting this game to be normal you're gonna have a bad time. You're going to get fucking steamrolled.

My interpretation? The setup isn't designed to be normal. It's designed to be fun (which it is) and give us all a chance to play the perfect game, where we have the roles and mechanics we all wanted, according to the questionnaire. The only exceptions are when strict adherence to the questionnaire would make things less fun.

There's symmetry here -

Mason, one or more weaker info roles
Mason Vig, one or more weaker vig roles

That symmetry makes me say, okay. I know we have a mason vig and another limited town vig. That's two. Then we have another mason and four additional info roles including a cop, watcher, and questionnaire info roles. That's SIX. And despite this number, almost none of them actually got any info last night! WTF

I'm sorry but this doesn't compute.

So, wake up already. We should either be lynching in that group OR lynching based on behavior without consideration of roles. Which might be the best idea, and from my pov still points toward the same players. (Not a coincidence.)

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Post Post #994  (isolation #98)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:04 pm

In post 990, SnarkySnowman wrote:Hi son what makes you suggest mid-game alignment changes? Have you any info relating to that, because I haven't seen any hint of that either in game nor questionnaire.

That's the least important part of that paragraph.
It's not confirmed. But it's on the questionnaire, so entirely possible.

In post 990, SnarkySnowman wrote:Ho Ho Ha Ha

That's mildly sinister.

In post 990, SnarkySnowman wrote:Okay so
1) this is not a normal game so we shouldn't make any assumptions
2) we should assume one of those isn't true and should lynch in this pool because you think so

like it's one or the other buddy

make up your mind

No it's not one or the other.

It's: pay attention to what we know about the setup. Act according to that.

We know the setup isn't normal and roles are not random. So don't pretend it is.

We also have enough information now to make an educated guess what IS true about the setup. So let's use that knowledge.

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Post Post #997  (isolation #99)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:05 pm

In post 993, ɀefiend wrote:If Azral somehow flips town, then maybe the Mafia get scared and shoot Davsto the fake vig, (for being part of another faction) and then we lynch Desp.

what

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Post Post #998  (isolation #100)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:07 pm

In post 992, ɀefiend wrote:Of the informational peoples, I think KainTepes claim is the most suspicious. It's ambiguous and the net benefit to whatever alignment he's with is unrealized. I believe Frank's claim because his doccing works the same way as my copping. The next most suspicious info role would be Alisae, since a watcher with no info where literally almost everyone visited is highly unlikely. Snarky is somewhere in the middle as I believe he is a Lyncher who isn't a top priority target right now.

Yeah I actually agree with most of this except I might flip Ali and KT.
I find KT somewhat baffling.

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Post Post #1001  (isolation #101)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:12 pm

yeah well your face is super flawed so there

VOTE: Ali

All aboard.

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Post Post #1007  (isolation #102)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:36 pm

In post 1002, ɀefiend wrote:KT is usually MORE AGGRESSIVE and highly talkative as Town. At the current point in the game, he's actually the biggest lurker, which is uncharacteristic of him in my opinion.

Does he usually... do stuff?

Like he genuinely doesn't seem to be reading the game. Or caring who he votes. Like when Ali joked that Desp was scum and he was just like "okay I believe you, let's lynch him then!"

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Post Post #1009  (isolation #103)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:40 pm

So you admit roles aren't random!
This is progress.

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Post Post #1012  (isolation #104)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:42 pm

cause you're scummy

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Post Post #1015  (isolation #105)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:48 pm

I didn't say that's what made you scummy, you did.
Which is interesting.

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Post Post #1018  (isolation #106)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:48 pm

Dead players could be one.

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Post Post #1019  (isolation #107)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:53 pm

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6137

Actually kind of a cool idea.

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Post Post #1024  (isolation #108)  » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:19 am

One way or another, Snarky should run that setup when this is done.

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Post Post #1028  (isolation #109)  » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:17 pm

Frank, what are you thinking about Ali? Scummy or prob town or?

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Post Post #1033  (isolation #110)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:57 am

In post 1031, FrankJaeger wrote:?

yeh I overstated that. I did come into d2 thinking you were likely scum but I've changed my mind. I think you're town now.

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Post Post #1034  (isolation #111)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:01 am

In post 1032, Alisae wrote:I watched Desperado and nothing happened.

Why Desperado?

Would like to hear your reasoning at the time, but seems like a dead easy thing for scum to claim after a massclaim - he's one of like two or three people in the whole game who (probably) didn't target anyone.

Would have been a lot more impressed if you claimed this when you were asked to during the massclaim instead of once the massclaim was over - suspicious.

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Post Post #1035  (isolation #112)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:04 am

damn, apart from any arguments or cases - Alisae just plain *feels* like scum here. Especially the way she reacted when called her out on the last page. feels caught.

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Post Post #1036  (isolation #113)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:07 am

In post 1029, KainTepes wrote:i cant READ ALISEAE

no excuses! She's scummy, if you're town you should be on that

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Post Post #1037  (isolation #114)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:08 am

also I bet KT read just enough of the game to know that would be a hilariously ironic post at this point in the game

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Post Post #1039  (isolation #115)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:39 am

Desperado, what's your personal read on that? Believable?


(I admit I got watcher and tracker confused in my head for a bit.)

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Post Post #1088  (isolation #116)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:00 pm

I apparently had no shots left.

Frank, claim your target so we can clear them.

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Post Post #1089  (isolation #117)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:11 pm

FYI I don't give a fuck about trying to convince anyone I'm town.

VOTE: Kain Tepes
Seems like the most likely suspect from here (though I'd love for him to make a case on someone else).

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Post Post #1091  (isolation #118)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:16 pm

says the cult leader

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Post Post #1098  (isolation #119)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:25 pm

In post 1096, FrankJaeger wrote:What

night action?

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Post Post #1099  (isolation #120)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:26 pm

In post 1095, Davsto wrote:I'm now confident that the masonry is real and that Desp is town.

What's changed?

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Post Post #1102  (isolation #121)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:24 pm

yes pls

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Post Post #1106  (isolation #122)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:16 pm

So we have no info and scum have a redirector.
I'm starting to wonder if this is even solvable.

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Post Post #1109  (isolation #123)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:57 pm

In post 1108, KainTepes wrote:I AM TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's scum then?

("Azral" is not an acceptable answer.)

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Post Post #1111  (isolation #124)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:22 pm

thought so.

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Post Post #1112  (isolation #125)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:26 pm

Kain Tepes is scum, pretty sure everyone here already knows that. The case makes itself. Lynch him, find his partners, hope the setup isn't so hopelessly bastard that we lose anyway. GG.

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Post Post #1113  (isolation #126)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:27 pm

This can be the hill I die on - literally - but pretty sure the whole town knows it's KT so... yeah.
Not much more to say.

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Post Post #1117  (isolation #127)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:26 pm

There's no reason to doubt the 7 factions thing.

By my count we're at 5-6 factions if you count the McMenno and Ari as separate factions - which makes sense given their independent wincons.

1. Town
2. McMenno
3. Ari
4. dreamrealz
5. Mafia
6. Lyncher?
7. ???

I dunno what #7 is but we have 8 players unflipped so it's not hard to believe.

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Post Post #1122  (isolation #128)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:04 pm

In post 890, KainTepes wrote:i can check peoples QUESTIONNAIRE answers,, i am TOWN QUESTTIONARE CHECKER

In post 896, KainTepes wrote:nothing happens,,i just know their answer

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Post Post #1125  (isolation #129)  » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:13 am

Narna did claim.

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Post Post #1313  (isolation #130)  » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:27 pm

GG!
I had a lot of fun, though not being able to shoot all the confirmed townies was rough.


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