Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Maxous]

VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

i'll try and tl;dr this :

I think their vote and push on SlySly is poor
post #74 for reference. they were voting because they liked House's line of questioning which sounds like a pressure vote but apparently wasn't?

hey sly

i thought your willingness to only hammer wagons was a playstyle quirk or something, but i took a brief look at some of your games and I've seen that you've placed non-hammering votes. What gives?

I think Sly is scum because he asked me leading questions that had the intention of making me look scummy, I don't see that as a town mindset.

these are thier retroactive reasons why Sly is scum which is just so lukewarm.

from what i can tell, SlySly is Giga's *only* scum-read of note (despite her high engagement of the game) and Giga comes across as too comfortable to just sit on that wagon honestly

i mean, there's a general over-defensiveness/deflecting aspect of her play which is a large part of my scum-read here but i'm trying to point out specifics that people can follow.

[Maxous]

i don't think zakk is particularly scummy but I don't exactly have a town-read on him either so...yeah

i don't really like peptobislawl - he could be scum

[Maxous]

the reason i'm vote parking slysly is because i'm pretty sure i have an idea of some aspects of what his role is (flavor i'm pretty sure, and some general mechanics about it but i don't know his role PM completely) and i can't possibly see it as a town thing.

tell me this: do you think SlySly is group-scum or third-party/independent alignment?

Also echoing why would someone counter-claim an anti-town role.

[Maxous]

that's L-3 ftr.

yo zakk

: is this L-2 ability of yours actually useful?

[Maxous]

regarding my earlier question: my theory is that Giga might be group-scum that genuinely thinks SlySly is a third party role

it would fit their behaviour

[Maxous]

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

^

also: most scum freak out at the thought of third parties.
yes, town are inclined to hunt them as well but *based on Giga's behaviour* I think it could be scum hunting other scum

[Maxous]

i just realised gamma emerald has 27 posts and I can't remember a single thing he said

throw him into the possible scum bucket

[Maxous]

Spoiler: peptobislawl quotes

Day 1, Vote Count #8

Current Vote Count:

(9)

zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature, gigabyteTroubadour

(0)

SirCakez

(1)

House -- SnarkySnowman

(0)

Maxous

(1)

Creature -- Nosferatu

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(2)

SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(1)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(1)

Andrius -- Ankamius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362497 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes

Hey i did not sign up for a 1.67 year dayphase.

What did gaster do?

I translated it.

DEAR OH DEAR. RUSHING IS HOW MISTAKES ARE MADE, YOU KNOW.

If anyone wants the flavor behind the wingdings, look up WD Gaster.

The game relevent information is that whoever did that is almost certainly a 3rd party, if it isn't the mod screwing with us.

so my takeaway from these posts is that pepto is caught up and following the thread but is not engaging the game and is still coasting on (scumbait) SlySly.
think i'll officially move pepto to the scum list

[Maxous]

Okay, I'm caught up.

Town:
Andrius
House
Leonshade
Maxous
McMenno
SirCakez
SlySly
zakk

Null:
Creature
Gamma Emerald
Nosferatu

Scum:
Accountant
Blade Dancer
Gigabytetroubadour
Not Chara
Peptobislawl

Everyone not listed anywhere hasn't done anything I particularly care about.

This reads list is bad and you should feel bad.

@accountant

- what's your readlist.
you have like, one scumread apparently (as of this post*)

[Maxous]

Spoiler: zakk post #609

responding about this post:

so i think it's time for me to out this information because it's not as obvious as i thought, but i'm worried it could be anti-town but i'm taking the risk at this point because i can't see myself making it very far in this game

the reason i'm vote parking slysly is because i'm pretty sure i have an idea of some aspects of what his role is (flavor i'm pretty sure, and some general mechanics about it but i don't know his role PM completely) and i can't possibly see it as a town thing.

i'm kind of shocked that no one else has at least hinted that they're seeing what i'm seeing, it's one of those things that i would think is obvious to anyone with flavor knowledge. i thought house was on the right track because he backed up a question i asked that lead me to this conclusion, but i don't think house has flavor knowledge and he's townreading sly so probably not.

i don't want any claims because of this, but i would like someone with a lot of flavor knowledge to re-read the thread and just tell me if they see the same thing that I am. just a yes or no would be fine. if i'm just confbiasing or chasing a smoking gun here,

i'll probably move my vote to either zakk (best wagon composition and some associatives with sly)

or Gamma (my next best scumread). this is something i'm

capable

of explaining but i'm trying to out this information without risking someone having to claim because i'm way off.

i wouldn't mind discussing this in a PT with a townread, however.

by the way, this post earlier, by me, was full of shit, i was just trying to bait House moar.

it was bullshit, because i DON'T think gigabyteTroubador has done less than me. in fact, i think he is incredibly scummy

also, his note above (bolded) that my wagon has the best composition, is bullshit because here's how the wagons stood at that moment:

Day 1, Vote Count #6

Current Vote Count:

(8)

zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature

(0)

SirCakez

(1)

House -- SnarkySnowman

(0)

Maxous

(1)

Creature -- Nosferatu

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(3)

SlySly -- zakk, gigabyteTroubadour, Peptobislawl

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(1)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(1)

Andrius -- Ankamius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.

Day 1 Will End on Saturday, October 22nd, at 5 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-10-22 17:00:00)

which..... is basically

ONE

wagon (8 person wagon on me), versus one old, irrelevant, stagnant SlySly wagon which I didn't actually believe in voting since it was just a tool to figure out who were scum jumping on bad wagons (didn't work well enough, so I began baiting my own wagon instead since apparently House is better at drawing a crowd, and it's better if we work together instead of compete, let me know if you have questions about how that works, lmao)

AAAAAND

as if that's not enough:

gigabyteTroubadour was just parroting what House said

here

about "wagon composition":

Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.

sooooo


that'd make it:

people i would line up against a wall and give quick lessons in bullet catching:

- Gamma Emerald
- gigabyteTroubador
- Peptobislawl

there are a number of other lesser suspects and a number of town reads, which i will not go into until these are dead or until i am satisfied that they are not scum

*generally nodding in agreement*

[Maxous]

unvote

i'm not convinced about Gigabyte ( even that last post which was wordy but said very little) but i'll give the replacement a chance.

VOTE: peptobislawl

i'm fine with a pepto wagon right now.
though i'm increasingly considering voting accountant honestly.

[Maxous]

I'm not comfortable with the 3 unexplained scumreads on me. Feels like the counter wagon zakk was talking about.

because when i glanced over your ISO i seen you did little else apart from push zakk.
which is why i asked for the readlist

[Maxous]

blade dancer is pushing/tunnelling on a fair amount of slots here.

i'm inclined to sort them out when we get a few flips to contextualise what exactly they're doing

[Maxous]

(0)

zakk

(2)

SirCakez -- PeregrineV, Creature

(0)

House

(0)

Maxous

(2)

Creature -- Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(2)

Ankamius -- Blade Dancer, House

(2)

SlySly -- Peptobislawl, SnarkySnowman

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(6)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno, Ankamius, Accountant, Maxous, MagnaofIllusion, zakk

(3)

Gamma Emerald -- Not Chara, Leonshade, SirCakez

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

Shiro, SlySly, Andrius, massive, Nahdia

SirCakez is kinda town
Creature is town
I think Ankamius is town though admittedly i've been wrong about him a couple of times in the past so yeah.
SlySLy is town
Pepto is scum
Gamma Emerald is awkward as hell town that is easy to nitpick at (and a possible counter-wagon attempt from peptobislawl)

Nahdia is trying too hard to redeem Giga's slot. They ain't succeeding.

[Maxous]

Maxous, what do you mean by Nahdia trying too hard? How is this scummy?

how do you interpret these two posts?

Spoiler:

Awesome, dude. See this, Mr Emerald sir? We're talkin'. We're cooperatin'. We're workin' together. We can solve this game together, Mr Emerald sir. We're a team now. I'm the Watson to your Sherlock. The Bonnie to your Clyde. The Terezi to your Vriska, except without the part where

I murder you then manipulate a strange eccentric boy in blue pajamas to alter the timeline to bring you back

.

So what say you vote House with me? He was whiteknighting my slot weirdly in the first few pages and lowkey did it just now when you voted me.

House is gonna tell me I'm wrong or something but don't let that dissuade you. If I've learned anything about mafia over my three thousand games, it's that the best tactic when faced with opposition to your reads is to cover your ears and yell "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALA." Metaphorically, of course, since this is a text based game. Unless your opposition comes in the form of audio files or video files which feature audio. In which case, by all means, take that advice completely literally.

Thy're pushing HARD on House based off..reading like 3 pages i think.
not that they can't find house scummy but trying to strong-arm a wagon like that based on the first thing they see?
nope

[Maxous]

Nahdia is confirmed town

same.

But what makes you say that in particular? Help me help you by cementing my townread on you. We can get a kickass townbloc going.

i get you're kinda joking about this but this still strikes me as a bit disingenuous....there is no chance you would be part of a town-bloc and you know it.
and you prolly know enough that Accountant would be unlikely to be part of one either

[Maxous]

blade dancer has been bumped to my official town list btw.

[Maxous]

Idk Max, if Nahdia is town I'd sheep her over you.

that's not the point.

IF Nahdia is town is such a huge question mark

[Maxous]

Idk Max, if Nahdia is town I'd sheep her over you.

that's not the point.

IF Nahdia is town is such a huge question mark

Of course it's the point. Or a subpoint. Is that a word? Autocorrect says no. Oh well, it is now.

Just being town isn't all that's required to be in a townblock, or at least it shouldn't be. It also needs organization and harmony. A strong voice backed by insightful minds. People that inspire trust and confidence in each other.

...

...

...

...

... what was I talking about again?

i know you're being humourous but i just wanna 100% clarify this point

i'm not calling Nahdia a shit player or anything (i don't think even think i've played with them before)
what i'm saying is that a lot of the unanimous town-read players like {blade dancer, house, gamma, magna, andrius, SlySly, me (hi!) } don't trust them and i find it silly that they're pretending they're unaware of that

[Maxous]

...well that list is MY town-reads anyway (plus creature) so :dealwithit:

additonal note: if pepto does end flipping town, i'm prolly gonna lynch mcmenno

[Maxous]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

THIS
Why would he say it's setting up a mislynch if he scumreads Pepto.
McMenno has stated a scumread on Pepto. However, he is saying Nahdia is setting up mislynches. That must mean he believes both Pepto and himself are town.
Do you see the contradiction?

eh.
i'll not answer for him but this comes across as semantics nitpicking (which tends to be the majority of "scumslips" i've seen)
in fact i think i got mislynched in my first large game for this kinda thing

REGARDLESS, i have noticed mcmenno is coast-tunneling on pepto and doing little else which is weakening my read on him, so if it turns out pepto is town we're gonna have a problem - hence my comment earlier.

[Maxous]

Gamma: it's an old tell where when a replacement criticizes the play of who they replaced, they're scum. it's actually not all that alignment indicative, but the point is that town wouldn't really care about the play of who they replaced but scum would.
in practice, it depends on the player and not so much on their alignment. especially when Amished is a tell that is fairly well-known.

that's not really what it's supposed to be.
it's not "critcising" your predecessor (sometimes they just play like shit), it's calling your replacee SCUMMY
the original idea was how the f*ck would you see SCUM MOTIVATION in your 'town slot.'
it's useful when applied correctly...it just tends not to be a lot of the time.

[Maxous]

and quick adress to this -

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

THIS
Why would he say it's setting up a mislynch if he scumreads Pepto.
McMenno has stated a scumread on Pepto. However, he is saying Nahdia is setting up mislynches. That must mean he believes both Pepto and himself are town.
Do you see the contradiction?

eh.
i'll not answer for him but this comes across as semantics nitpicking (which tends to be the majority of "scumslips" i've seen)
in fact i think i got mislynched in my first large game for this kinda thing

REGARDLESS, i have noticed mcmenno is coast-tunneling on pepto and doing little else which is weakening my read on him, so if it turns out pepto is town we're gonna have a problem - hence my comment earlier.

oh, but that's the trick. when you accomplish one mislynch, you roll right in to set up the next one


#nobrakes

when you death-tunnel a

single slot

on DAY ONE...then yeah, your tunnel would really want to be flipping scum.
i don't care about complaints of being "set-up" - you're the one with practically no other reads.

[Maxous]

that's decent enough

unvote,

VOTE: Nahdia

[Maxous]

i'm kinda losing patience with menno - (as in when i say you have practically no reads i'm asking for ~committed scumreads~ , not offhand mentions of "oh maybe this person could be town" )

regardless, i think both players of Giga/Nahdia were scummy which likely means the slot is just scum

[Maxous]

town-ish i guess. I wouldn't lynch him as of now but i don't exactly trust him either.

The '1 post a day thing' felt like bit of a tantrum which would actually point more towards town (along with the fake dayvig of zakk ) as i'm not sure why scum would be getting so upset at the scattered chaotic post volume of the game.

if we're talking bullets - there's a lot more obvious targets than accountant.

[Maxous]

ok so I will start reading today but can someone also give me a very quick recap of what is going on because I am at like page 10

Spoiler:

[Maxous]

if you want a real summary : pepto/narna, zakk and gigabyte/nahdia are the slots that have gotten the heat so far

[Maxous]

well if pepto/narna is town i'd give Titus credit for being the only person to call bullshit on that wagon (and i generally like Titus reads' anyway - she just fools me as scum too much ) so if I am gonna follow

anyone

it would be her right now.

i think she agrees with a Nahdia lynch though, i think it's the best way to go personally.

nahdia has been as unconvincing as thier predecessor Gigabyte.

[Maxous]

Nahdia is the type of leader I want having the keys and the nuclear codes.

do you think Nahdia's town Sly?

this AtE is wrecking my head, i need a think-tank

[Maxous]

well if pepto/narna is town i'd give Titus credit for being the only person to call bullshit on that wagon (and i generally like Titus reads' anyway - she just fools me as scum too much ) so if I am gonna follow

anyone

it would be her right now.

i think she agrees with a Nahdia lynch though, i think it's the best way to go personally.

nahdia has been as unconvincing as thier predecessor Gigabyte.

Nahdia early posting was hard scummy. Currently, less so.

613 is hard to attribute to scum, however.

do you agree about Narna looking town?

thoughts on mcmenno?

[Maxous]

Yeah, no.

Zakk was at L-3. Pepto did the day elongation to prevent town slapping the hammer on him. He did it and knew what the message said without having to translate it.

Not Chara just said that she knew Pepto submitted it. She talks about caps/not caps, which nobody really give 2 shits about, since the point was Pepto did the message.

House all but called me town, then when I start down the road to catching Pepto and NotChara, he votes me.

Zakk was to be saved.

Scumteam includes:

Narna
Zakk
Not Chara
House


Convince me otherwise.

Vote: Narna

zakk being L-3 at the time might be relevant.

i think you're stretching with the pepto point though.

[Maxous]

@NotChara-

Were you the self-proclaimed Understales expert? I'd like an opinion on 465.

He doesn't know the flavor, so where did he get the quote to put in the image that he didn't even know the different characters about?

Stop being stupid, people.

uhhhh, i think there's a reasonable explanation for it but i don't want to answer for PV just in case.

come back to me when he answers

[Maxous]

VOTE: mcmenno

changed my mind on who i want to lynch

unrelated: that was a surprisingly poor wagon hop by ankamius.

[Maxous]

full disclaimer: i'm not listening to that

i haven't like what menno has been doing for a while and calling titus scum on thlast page was the final straw for me

[Maxous]

i dislike how they did a mod-dive to prove that daytalk is likely in larges. whether or not there IS daytalk is not and should not be the issue. Nahdia just needed to defend assuming it.

That was actually a meta-dive on just Skullduggery and it wasn't for the purpose of defending myself it was for the purpose of seeing whether we can assume daytalk or not based on their past games. We can't; they tend to change it up.

good to know.

good timing as well: i think Nahdia is town after all. good arguments for Nahdia scum, really, but i don't want them lynched.

...i've noticed for a while you tend to be easily influenced here. is this a regular thing?
a skim through Shadowrun Mafia suggests not

[Maxous]

I'm probably not gonna read 70 pages, and the last thing this game needs is another replace out, so I will sheep a top townread for a bit. There's 100 pages and town's too split, gotta get something going.

VOTE: McMenno

I'm sheeping Maxous for the record.

As long as you're okay that I'm largely aligning with Titus here.
(Though I do think menno is scummy)

[Maxous]

Who cares who is on which wagon?
Scum bus, particularly day 1 of larges. Then you factor in the likely multi-scum of the game - wheter that be second group scum or third party roles.
Menno is scummy because when his narna wagon was under threat he didn't care. There was no initiative to push the slot he has been tunneling on practically the entire game which leads me to believe he is not as sure of that read as he pretends to be(or maybe bussing) and is fairly happy to let other lynches go through.

P.s. I'm getting a little tired of players holding out for hammers.

[Maxous]

NC could be scum actually. They do seem to try and go along with flow too much.

@menno: it means I would of expected you to push the narna/pepto wagon with more conviction based on how much you've tunneled them

[Maxous]

P.s. I'm getting a little tired of players holding out for hammers.

Some players may not have a choice.

so you're being forced to hammer while 2 other players get powers from hammering?

that's odd

not gonna setup-spec on Day 1 but it would be something to address in later days

[Maxous]

Since he hopped on the McMenno wagon.

VOTE: Leonshade

Anyone? Please?

you were on McMenno too.
why is Leonshade scum for it?

He's not scum for it. He's scum, and I don't want to be on the same wagon as him.

..do you always have an allergic reaction to being on the same wagon as a scum-read or something?

you've never seen scum bus before?

like, i think Leon is town anyway - scum would never sheep me if nothing else - but this is just silly

[Maxous]

these wagons are a mess cause too many people are looking for a perfect wagon of town-reads.

it's page 103 - get a lynch done.

i disagree on the bussing theory ftr.
not being on the wagon of a possible buddy lynch is a risk not many scum are willing to take if possible

[Maxous]

look some people might feel like i'm being a dick but somebody needs to put the foot down here.

this is helping nobody. it's way past diminishing returns - get a wagon and

lynch somebody

[Maxous]

Cakez: where am i wrong with Titus? look at her recent posting.

her recent posts couldn't possibly be more town

[Maxous]

Lynch menno today and I'll help ya'll lynch not chara Day 2

[Maxous]

also: McMenno is selectively responding, his latest contribution is entirely to complain that i've been taking potshots. i think he's even still voting Narna.
who is town here? probably Cakez, Nahdia, Narna.
multiball is likely, so Titus and McMenno can both be scum. zakk could be scum. Andrius and magna? i don't want to say both are scum, but one of them probably is.

then just vote menno please.

you agreed with me 20 pages ago that a lynch needed to happen yet here we are.

creature is town but if you want to talk about him, holy hell we can talk about him Day 2.
That goes to all these 1~2 vote wagons.

[Maxous]

wake me up when it's Day 2

[Maxous]

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

prolly town but w/e

should of hammered the obv-scum menno instead of sinking us into another 20 pages of apathy

[Maxous]

VOTE: narna

Alright.

[Maxous]

Oh yeah.
Now I remember why Narna is town.
Eh
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

P-edit: snowman, you're voting the most obv-town player in the game..what else you got?

[Maxous]

peregrinev my man vote narna with us

Saving my vote to hammer, because despite all he talk, no one else will.

I'm hammering.

I no longer believe you due to the fact that you did not last time.

100% approved

[Maxous]

Oh yeah.
Now I remember why Narna is town.
Eh
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

P-edit: snowman, you're voting the most obv-town player in the game..what else you got?

is narna a stronger townread or something?

yes

i think MOI is prolly town too but i'd be less confident in it and he *has* been a bit overly mudslingy

[Maxous]

Titus
Gamma Emerald
Creature
PeregrineV

-
SlySly
Leonshade
Narna
Yume

-
Ankamius
Andrius
zakk
MagnaofIllusion
Nahdia

-
Not Chara
-
SirCakez
Firebringer
massive
Shiro
-
Nosferatu
SnarkySnowman
McMenno


i think that's my current position in order from town => scum
i might be misremembering somebody because of the slog but w/e

[Maxous]

Also Maxous's reads are a steaming pile of crap, just put those in a corner

Shots fired

[Maxous]

VOTE: Shiro

regardless, he is very likely scum based on the end of Day 1. his non-committal to choosing between the lynch wagons and throwing scumreads on gamma emerald & Sir Cakez instead was ridiculous.

~

copy - pasting these votecounts

Spoiler:

Day 1, Vote Count #8

Current Vote Count:
(9)

zakk

-- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature, gigabyteTroubadour
(0) SirCakez
(1) House -- SnarkySnowman
(0) Maxous
(1) Creature -- Nosferatu
(0) PeregrineV
(0) Blade Dancer
(0) Shiro
(0) MagnaofIllusion
(0) Nosferatu
(1) gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous
(0) Accountant
(0) Not Chara
(0) Ankamius
(2) SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl
(0) McMenno
(0) SnarkySnowman
(1) Peptobislawl -- McMenno
(0) Gamma Emerald
(0) Leonshade
(1) Andrius -- Ankamius
(0) massive

Not Voting: PeregrineV, Shiro,

MagnaofIllusion

, SlySly, Andrius, massive

Day 1, Vote Count #9

Current Vote Count:
(7)

zakk

-- House, Blade Dancer, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, gigabyteTroubadour
(0) SirCakez
(1) House -- SnarkySnowman
(0) Maxous
(1) Creature -- Nosferatu
(0) PeregrineV
(0) Blade Dancer
(0) Shiro
(0) MagnaofIllusion
(0) Nosferatu
(1) gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous
(0) Accountant
(0) Not Chara
(0) Ankamius
(2) SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl
(0) McMenno
(0) SnarkySnowman
(2) Peptobislawl -- McMenno, Ankamius
(2) Gamma Emerald -- Creature, Not Chara
(0) Leonshade
(0) Andrius
(0) massive

Not Voting: PeregrineV, Shiro,

MagnaofIllusion

, SlySly, Andrius, massive

(2) zakk -- MagnaofIllusion, massive
(0) SirCakez
(0) Yume
(0) Maxous
(0) Creature
(0) PeregrineV
(1) Titus -- SnarkySnowman
(1) Shiro -- Titus
(12)

MagnaofIllusion

--

zakk

, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro
(0) Nosferatu
(1) Nahdia -- Yume
(0) Firebringer
(0) Not Chara
(0) Ankamius
(0) SlySly
(0) McMenno
(0) SnarkySnowman
(3) Narna -- McMenno, Andrius, Ankamius
(0) Gamma Emerald
(0) Leonshade
(0) Andrius
(0) massive

Not Voting: SlySly, PeregrineV

just surface level skimming for the moment but people who were on both mislynches: {Not Chara, sir cakez, Accountant/Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature, Giga/Nahdia}

Notably, Not Chara and Creature jumped OFF the zakk mislynch train

Initial thoughts: Accountant/Firebringer might be scum.
Need to look at Sir Cakez and Leonshade's reasonsing for each wagon (hopefully 2moro)

[Maxous]

Andrius - did you crumb/imply you were a vig or a PR at all yesterday?

[Maxous]

So yes?

Just considering the possibility of a roleblock here.
Doubtful narna would of been protected by a town player.
If narna has anything that can prevent being killed he should claim it ASAP.

I mean, it's probably a low chance anyway but I'm wondering if there was a reason to block you

P-edit: don't worry about sass lol

[Maxous]

(12)

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

D1 thoughts from those who lynched MoI:

hmm yeah
zakk strong-armed this wagon abut flipped town. who helped him? Nahdia, Not Chara and Narna I guess.
according to my reads scum were on the tail-end of the wagon but that would mean the magna wagon was strong-armed by all town?
it's possible but I would guess not.
honestly, maybe we should be lynching on this wagon.

[Maxous]

i roleblocked Shiro last night.

Menno's reaction was still pure scum though

[Maxous]

Zakk, CONFIRMED DEADTOWN, just led a wagon, which was SUPPORTED by THE N CLAN. Who are scum. It fits perfectly with the oh lets just sheep someone town onto someone otherwise impossible to lynch.

that's pretty plausible actually

[Maxous]

Zakk, CONFIRMED DEADTOWN, just led a wagon, which was SUPPORTED by THE N CLAN. Who are scum. It fits perfectly with the oh lets just sheep someone town onto someone otherwise impossible to lynch.

that's pretty plausible actually

well like, not all 3 of them but certainly one of them at least

[Maxous]

Andrius - did you crumb/imply you were a vig or a PR at all yesterday?

Yes, he did.

hmm i would guess Andrius was blocked by a scum-aligned role personally.
makes me wonder about the Nahdia's claim though.

[Maxous]

i roleblocked Shiro last night.

Menno's reaction was still pure scum though

Your vote is in the wrong place then.

i am seriously in two minds about which wagon to flip

sorry, but bear with me

[Maxous]

VOTE: mcmenno

[Maxous]

(12)

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

D1 thoughts from those who lynched MoI:

hmm yeah
zakk strong-armed this wagon abut flipped town. who helped him? Nahdia, Not Chara and Narna I guess.
according to my reads scum were on the tail-end of the wagon but that would mean the magna wagon was strong-armed by all town?
it's possible but I would guess not.
honestly, maybe we should be lynching on this wagon.

zakk strongarmed the fuck out of that wagon. Him, Narna, Nahdia, and Not Chara, were literally like the only people to support it. Everyone started piling on and there was no other wagon left, so by my reads effectively half that wagon was town.

..obviously at least half the wagon would be town-players.

who's the scum on the magna wagon, nos?

[Maxous]

fine

VOTE: Narna

if he flips town, don't be looking at me

[Maxous]

it's not just you.

andrius, Sir Cakez and ankamius are at this as well

so..fine. let's just flip Narna.

[Maxous]

If we assume that the flavor perfectly fits alignment, then how many scum are we dealing with, exactly? You've claimed Asriel, so if you're town, there aren't that many characters left for scum.

Flowey and Chara are the only ones I'd see as scum 100%, with Gaster being a probable third scum/3P. Who else are we dealing with? This can't just be a three scum game.

plotwist: no-one is truly evil in undertale and there's no scumteam

[Maxous]

Her fakeclaim and hammer yesterday told me all I need to know.

My claim is 100% truth mate.

I am a miller and I am also an investigative. ^_^

did you character claim Shiro?

why are you a miller?

[Maxous]

here's my thing: we are struggling to think of plausible characters that would be scum in this game and there are TWO miller characters?

how does that work?
And flavour is unlikely to be random because zakk's role would be 100% useless if it was.

[Maxous]

VOTE: Shiro

i think he's just scum.

p-edit: Andrius iirc

[Maxous]

Personally I reasoned it as, I am the character that story wise will turn evil, like actual evil since later as flowey, you go and kill and then rewind time and just well be flowey.

I do not know if flowey exists either, I speculate that he doesn't though.

"speculate"..?

@ankamius

: is your miller flavour explained?

If that is the case, how did you read mennos interaction with me as scum him?

there's probably a negative connection between you and menno, yeah.
i'll worry about it when one of you flip scum

[Maxous]

What the game lacks right now is information and he is the most informative lynch choice we have.

why.

[Maxous]

Yeah this is where to go.

VOTE: Giovanni

SlySly is worth lynching too, but this is bad. And I scumread house ftr

Your reads suck this game.

to the point where i'm thinking it's scummy

[Maxous]

"speculate"..?

Since he is mentioned in my flavour snippet as little flower, I speculate that there is no flowey as a seperate flavour yea.

i thought it was weird that you didn't know *why* your character is a miller but apparently ank doesn't either and i doubt you're both lying so i have to concede that point

[Maxous]

and on top of that, nightkill zakk, who led the second wagon, because it singles them out way too much.

does anybody remember who were zakk's scum reads apart from Magna?

i don't want to trawl through his

two hundred and eighty-one

posts ISO

[Maxous]

nosferatu, snowman, massive, firebringer and not chara are all fairly down my readlist

that's interesting.

[Maxous]

snarky is town bruh

based on...?

i'm really not liking his reads

[Maxous]

snarky is town bruh

based on...?

i'm really not liking his reads

is everyone who disagrees with your reads scum, then

not neccessarily but if someone is voting players I think are town then i'm gonna be wary of them obviously.

why do *you* read snowman as town?

[Maxous]

VOTE: mcmenno

[Maxous]

yeah i'm ready to move on honestly.

his interaction with me on the previous page was the last straw anyway

-

me: i think snowman is scummy cause i think his votes are poor

menno: nah man, snowman is obviously town

me: why?

menno: oh, so everyone who doesn't agree with you is scum!!?

me: no. why is snowman town?

menno: uhh, he's posting a lot

[Maxous]

find it a little interesting certain people are assuming a town-flip here.

if he does flip town though i promise i'll do a serious cross-reference of the menno-magna-zakk wagons <== hold me to this

brief thoughts before night-phase : if menno is town i think some scum would be on him early and the rest purposely avoided the tail-end of the wagon/hammering

if menno is scum - the buddies are probably more on the latter half of the wagon, probably highly bussed

[Maxous]

:shrug:

i've seen worse that flipped scum

[Maxous]

In the night no one can see the bullets fly

remind me who you're targeting please?

[Maxous]

i'll assume that is Narna, Not Chara and Nahdia.

if menno flips town, I agree with narna and Chara shots.

I don't agree with a Nahdia shot, i'm not sure what the problem with them here is, i think they're town.

[Maxous]

Yeah, unless somebody has something better we should really flip Narna

VOTE: Narna

[Maxous]

Maxous - This is all gut, but he's almost too clean. He comes across as surprisingly townie for someone who has pushed both mislynches. Also look at all of the townies on this list

so i'm too towny
i didn't "push" Magna, you plebs sickened me with a 130 page Day 1 to the point where I was supporting any lynch
admitally i do think i need to re-consider my reads-list, it's been poor so far

[Maxous]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Btw I checked sir cakie last night and I think he is cool. Not 100% solid but I think he is cool.

01 zakk

(Papyrus, Town Flavor Cop)

Was Killed on Night 1

16 McMenno

(sans, town lazy coroner)

Was Lynched on Day 2

so we have FOUR cops in this game??

[Maxous]

but Narna's claimed PR is really good if true.

this is the annoying part, it's a role that ideally i would just let the scum deal with.
but the amount of claimed investigations and 'gift-givers'... they can't be all town?

[Maxous]

but either way, i don't want to lynch him on principle for more investigations

i'm considering this.
who do we lynch instead though?

[Maxous]

Not gonna lie, I don't mind the short day for once

[Maxous]

Meh.
We'll see what narna flips and that's ALL the early important wagons flipped.
SHOULD make game solving easier going forward

[Maxous]

VOTE: LeonShade

he just governed his scum-buddy. i'm serious.

that whole sequence was disingenuous

[Maxous]

so i'm re-reading the end of day 2.

menno had a lot of "hey look i'm town" behaviour too.

what was the difference?

[Maxous]

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

it was though

> you trolled Andrius
> called your wagon stupid
> and then said kill these random players

then Leon is "oh man, this so town i have to govern the lynch"

it felt like you knew you were getting governed, that is the easiest way i can explain it

given all these claimed powers I have been wondering what Scum could possibly have to counter-act them. Governor is a fairly good shout

[Maxous]

there is no way scum Leon would risk governing his partner Narna.

incorrect.
this town has been bitterly divided the entire game.
we come in to day 3 united for once and steamroll a scum lynch only for Leon to "whoops, i just governed him"

and look where we are now: back to square 1 with split wagons and no co-operation.

i would imagine Leon & Narna thought they would get away with this because of thier claims - in fact, they kinda are.

Leon's reasoning that Narna was "acting like menno" is unconvincing

a) Narna's post-hammer behaviour is so easy to fake

b) i don't understand how trolling obv-town Andrius gets you a

townread

[Maxous]

zakk - flavour cop

not that useful. Requires game knowledge and you would have to catch the scum player out in a lie claiming a character.

menno - lazy coroner

not useful until he survives very late into the game which is hard to do.

Titus - Vanilla cop

Only way you're busting scum with this is catching them lying about being vanilla

Giovanni - weak follower

so he can clear people every even night (so not right from the start) but it will cost him his life and requires proper crumbing to nail scum. better than the rest but has it's obvious limitations

Shiro - presume rolecop

assuming he's a rolecop based on his behaviour. Could be useful finding a scummy role but most of the scum probably have roles that seem towny on the surface, so not that useful.

narna - psychologist

gets to know who can make a kill ( so can't be godfathered ) and no limitations to usage apparently. drawback is that he could get false positives on vigs but minor drawback compared to all the rest above.

TL;DR:

Spoiler:

[Maxous]

leon is not a bad lynch
he is getting away with such a blatant scum move right under this town's nose

[Maxous]

Yeah, it ain't.

It won't lynch the obviously scum governor, analyze why Narna's role looks bad and this push on me emerges not after I was wrong on McMenno but when I push back and call the lot of them scum.

Considering how powerful governor is, I don't blame it for not wanting to lynch him
After we get scum narna flipped then I'll see

You seriously postulate Leon has two shots?

First things first, role details:

Flavor is Asgore.
I can only govern in the thread, I can't govern in secret.
I can govern before or after hammer, as long as the thread isn't locked yet.
I can't govern again today, and I won't be able to govern Narna again.

[Maxous]

If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway

[Maxous]

what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.

That's a really weird defence.
Just lynch scum.
Titus is a vanilla cop anyway - that's high priority to eliminate???

[Maxous]

Not quoting, but @not chara: look at all the town roles.

It's entirely reasonable that scum have strong powers

[Maxous]

Even apart from that:
"hey guys I'm a cop but whoops, I don't have a night 1 result"
Scum

[Maxous]

VOTE: Not Chara

I feel like spitefully camping on Leon the whole day but that wouldn't be nice of me

[Maxous]

Prod received.
Motivation levels critically low.
Awaiting lynch.

[Maxous]

I have a feeling Maxous is different compared to The Walking Dead Season Finale mafia.

My will to fight has been drained.

[Maxous]

Yeah, motivation is still low.
NC is an acceptable lynch.
I want to move onto the part where narna/Leon get hanged.

[Maxous]

VOTE: creature

[Maxous]

There's a day and a half left.
Everyone either gets on creature or not chara or be considered vig-bait.

[Maxous]

Agreed. Leon should of been auto-lynched.
People really over complicated this with WIFOM.

[Maxous]

Agreed. Leon should of been auto-lynched.
People really over complicated this with WIFOM.

WILL YOU JOIN IN OUR CRUSADE

Crusade status: joined

VOTE: leonshade

I wasn't super happy on creature anyway

[Maxous]

The revolution is at hand.

Let's lynch

Vote:Almost

Join me brave warrior. J

The next time you're being wagoned, I'm not defending you

[Maxous]

VOTE: shiro

[Maxous]

VOTE: shiro

WHY ARENT YOU VOTING NARNA

Why.

How is shiro's reaction possibly town?

Ankamius should confirm the Miller result on a psychiatrist too

[Maxous]

So the result on shiro is useless.

Yeah screw this, that is 3 nights where he's only given 1 mildly useful result.

VOTE: narna

[Maxous]

The revolution is at hand.

Let's lynch

Vote:Almost

Join me brave warrior. J

@shiro:

here's my case on you.

[Maxous]

I don't think snowman is scum

[Maxous]

If narna was town he
a) would of asked the mod about Miller effects
b) not risked a bad result when he had plenty of targets to choose from

[Maxous]

Why would you target a Miller without 100% checking this beforehand?

[Maxous]

Why would you target a Miller without 100% checking this beforehand?

Basically Andrius' 5938. I also said earlier that Shiro should have claimed if their miller status covered more than guilty/not guilty. No one objected to me checking Shiro the day before either, including Shiro.

none of which explains why *you* didn't ask the mod beforehand.
I would of objected but honestly i've barely been reading this for the last couple of weeks, i need to rectify that and get back on board

i'll go look for Shiro's reaction to the thing yesterday, if the last part is true then Shiro is deffo scum.

[Maxous]

i checked Narna's ISO and i don't see where he said he was gonna target Shiro.

[Maxous]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

but saying 'this person can kill' isn't "scum-aligned"
town roles can kill also.
i don't think i've ever seen a miller that is guilty to a gunsmith

urgh

[Maxous]

i checked Narna's ISO and i don't see where he said he was gonna target Shiro.

I specifically argue against my target being public knowledge after she recommends this, but Titus still made a proposition in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8504843. Ank makes the very next post and fails to comment on the futility of such an action. Shiro claims to have missed the post. Shiro is obviously adding to his claim now because he has to.

ok?

so you didn't say you were gonna target Shiro,Titus suggested it...that's not really the same as Shiro failing to clarify his miller status.

alright about the mod thing, even though i'm still sceptical OF ALL PEOPLE you chose someone who's result you knew would be muddied

Psychologist doesn't even have a wiki page unfortunately but previous games i found from google pretty much has the role description that Narna describes. no word on 'millering' it though.

[Maxous]

a miller returning guilty to a psychologist would be really weird but given that

a) this game is bastard and

b) i played through Skull's Borderlands Mafia

it is something i could actually see her doing

fuck this, i'm just asking the mod myself

[Maxous]

VOTE: shiro

[Maxous]

@giovanni

: why did you decide to investigate Narna?

also, did you crumb it?

[Maxous]

This game is now actively traumatizing people.

I had a dream a couple of days that all the scum we lynched was just flipping as town.

[Maxous]

Creature.
I saw that you may of blocked me though

[Maxous]

I'm getting to a point where I might be OK with a draw decision.

[Maxous]

Meh, screw it

VOTE: Draw

[Maxous]

8 flips with a boatload of power over 4 nights and no scum caught.

Like, either we are absolutely atrocious or something weird is going on

[Maxous]

that was quick

anyway

VOTE: Almost50

@narna

: target Giovanni 2nite

pls & thx

[Maxous]

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino - even night weak-follower. claims a clear on me N2 and Narna N4
04 Maxous - roleblocker.
11 Nahdia* - Jailkeeper
14 Ankamius* - something with complex mechanics i think. can potentially kill?
18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

that's all the official claims i can remember

Who's scum and why?

if you can figure this out we'll give you the MVP

i'm voting Almost cause he's been very unuseful and tunneled on town-Titus

[Maxous]

If the last 10 pages are any indication the last 200 probably aren't worth reading. Am I right or wrong?

gonna be real,not a whole pile is worth it.

read the start of Day 3 - that's prolly the most important part

[Maxous]

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Creature.

For disclosure

[Maxous]

Though I believe my night 4 target was blocked by Nahdia

[Maxous]

If A50 is only a supersaint I'm definitely okay lynching him.

Useless role + probable scum = good lynch

[Maxous]

That's actually a good point

@sir cakez:

who did you target night 4?

[Maxous]

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Creature.

For disclosure

i wasn't blocked on night 3.

Interesting.

Can you 100% double check this?

[Maxous]

Trust me, there IS at least one bastard component to this game

spill the beans.

[Maxous]

all the investigative roles specifically get the player name in their result, that....would actually make sense with some kind of re-directing role

it would also explain seemingly only re-directing roles that don't give feedback

[Maxous]

Unless someone had the bright idea of roleblockin me (pretty dumb even if you think I am scum tbh which is why I think it isn't the case)memmno lied about his role and is ascetic of some sorts.

and why is this "mcmemmno" person an ascetic, then

Obviously some sort of check didn't go through.

Yea OK, two people already got blocked, I am pretty sure I wasn't as well.

Vote:Mcmenno

P.edit

Huh? What do you mean

i roleblocked Shiro last night.

Menno's reaction was still pure scum though

this was my initial claim because Shiro was claiming a "guilty" on menno and I had to clarify that it wasn't.
if i was scum, i obviously would of shut my mouth and let the two town players lynch each-other.

this theory that would I claim Nahdia's roleblocking as my own is needlessly risky. What if Nahdia was lynched early (which was entirely possible), then whoops no roleblocking.
It's such a high-risk low-reward thing to lie about anyway, it's not like being a roleblocker is getting anybody a whole bunch of town-credit

additionally Nahdia already claimed no target on Day 4 so if I was lying I would just would of tailored my claim accordingly

look, i gave y'all the players I targeted each-night. why the likes of Not Chara wasn't blocked N3 - i don't know.

if this is such an issue i can target a confirmable role like massive 2nite.

[Maxous]

2) shiro scumread him, and scum wanted to kill shiro - either by frame or by fakeclaim

No he didn't. He actually had very little and was further dampened by Shiro's scumread of him after he went down.

Titus & SlySly had me as hard-town
zakk had me as town
dunno about nos.

you know

the actual night kills

it's pretty disingenuous to be quoting Shiro on this

[Maxous]

Just in case Nahdia or anybody still has doubts about the re-direction thing.

On night 4 Nahdia blocked me.
Therefore I could not hypothetically re-direct anybody.
Sir cakez was blocked on night 4.

Ergo it actually couldn't of been me. Somebody else had to cause it.

[Maxous]

Nahdia is confused town. 100% confident on that.

I'm not sure on Mathblade, I think he is very selectively choosing reads and night actions to support his arguments.
He keeps calling narna town but dismissing narna's results on massive and Nahdia for example because he's trying to set up lynches on them

[Maxous]

cutting through this fluff

how about Nahdia roleblocks Not Chara and we'll see what happens there
I'll roleblock Massive to make sure i'm targeting a confirmable role

that should prove these theories wrong I believe

VOTE: Narna

[Maxous]

also you can't say it's impossible to have 2 town roleblockers in the game when you think they are 5 town cop roles in the game

screw off

[Maxous]

What I am saying is N3 is inexplicable with both of you being Town. Explain how Not Chara wasn't roleblocked if both of you are town.

explain how Cakez was blocked N4 if i'm scum.

if we take Nahdia at thier word, they jailkept me which would of blocked all my actions so i couldn't of done jack-shit to cakez.

i don't want an anti-town lengthy back and forward but seriously, how could i have targeted cakez if i was being blocked? it

had

to be someone else.

But fine as, for Night 3.

a) Not Chara was empowered with a role - ( we had a motovator, we could have an empowerer )
b) Not Chara is misunderstanding/misreading their role - ( they had to ask the mod for confirmation their role happened. this happens way more than you'd think )
c) Not Chara is lying - ( do they have any proof their night 3 action went through? )
d) Mod made an error

[Maxous]

if Narna is "misunderstanding" his role there is gonna be war

- -

Alrighty. I already did Nahdia was redirected or a liar for night four.

none of this explains how *I* could be scum based on Night 4 actions.
If Nahdia was re-directed they were re-directed by somebody not me.

but w/e. This argument is done.

[Maxous]

a) doubtful. who would be empowering me and not claiming it? what point would there even be to that? i was unclaimed as an investigative until today.
b) i just had to ask the mod for clarification to be

sure

i wasn't roleblocked. my role is simple and easy to understand.
c) this is the only one that holds water.
d) this didn't happen, if it had the mod would have said something when i asked about it.

pedit: oh, there you go.

well e) my role was f'd with it but MathBlade is refusing to believe that which is why that argument wasn't there

[Maxous]

did i miss something where it was said that if there's a scum redirector, it has to be Maxous?

no.

but that's the logic behind my wagon becuase they think i was re-directing Nahdia to roleblock my targets - something i'm (hopefully) disproving

i'm aware it's probably gotten hard to follow and we're arguing about a bunch of setup speculation.

but hey, people are trying to lynch me based on setup speculation so,

[Maxous]

Spoiler: well i explained it at the time

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

it was though

> you trolled Andrius
> called your wagon stupid
> and then said kill these random players

then Leon is "oh man, this so town i have to govern the lynch"

it felt like you knew you were getting governed, that is the easiest way i can explain it

given all these claimed powers I have been wondering what Scum could possibly have to counter-act them. Governor is a fairly good shout

there is no way scum Leon would risk governing his partner Narna.

incorrect.
this town has been bitterly divided the entire game.
we come in to day 3 united for once and steamroll a scum lynch only for Leon to "whoops, i just governed him"

and look where we are now: back to square 1 with split wagons and no co-operation.

i would imagine Leon & Narna thought they would get away with this because of thier claims - in fact, they kinda are.

Leon's reasoning that Narna was "acting like menno" is unconvincing

a) Narna's post-hammer behaviour is so easy to fake

b) i don't understand how trolling obv-town Andrius gets you a

townread

Tl;DR:
a) I still don't understand why Leon thought narna was so town that it was a good idea to govern him.
b) I thought Scum-Governer was a good setup balancer to all the town investigate roles

-

I think it's possible you're scum NC, i'm not really sure

[Maxous]

If Nahdia is being redirected then your roleblock not going through N3 makes no sense.

well i don't f'n know

all i know - is i targeted Not Chara on N3

my roleblock confirmed to work on Shiro on N1
it apparently worked on Nahdia on N2

why don't you question Not Chara's role then?

why don't we get Nahdia to roleblock Not Chara and see if it works?

why do I have to be lynched for this WIFOM shit?

no, i don't think i automatically have to assume Nahdia is scum in a bastard game where we have no idea what the scum roles are.

i should take a break for a bit


Nahdia - roleblocks >>> re-directing so no.

[Maxous]

The above is from the NAR wiki. So Maxous would not be the redirector in that case.

He would be covering up for it.

*dies*

[Maxous]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

The function of Shiro's Miller modifier can be found on the pertinent Wiki page. I will not elaborate any further than that.

Some moderators take the "passive guilt" concept to the point where Millers also investigate unfavorably to other roles (i.e. Gunsmith)

Big news from the mod god. I just needed to word my question a little better.

A miller would not return as having the ability to kill if they lacked that ability

.

Vote: Shiro

Ank what did you ask Skullduggery when inquiring about your miller status?

...so Narna has to be scum.
why would Skull ever say that to Narna unless confirmed town Shiro was lying about his own Miller ability?

like, there's other reasons why Narna is scum but this is ridiculously damning.

[Maxous]

I like the Maxous/redirector theory. If he redirected Nahdia to Shiro N1 that would explain Shiro's RB and zakk's death. Just gotta see where he redirected N2, N3, and N4 so that this all makes sense.

the theory was bogus because Not Chara didn't understand they had been roleblocked on N3. ( I told y'all people misread their roles ALL THE TIME in larges)
That has since been clarified that they were roleblocked on N3

Narna is scum because his claim that he would not theoretically not get a guilty on a miller has been debunked by Shiro and by Mod.
nothing to do with night actions, he straight up lied and thought he wouldn't be caught out with it.
he was.

[Maxous]

this later post Mathblade

my god. you have to be specific when speaking to Skullduggery. very. specific.

i've been told now that i really have no way of knowing whether i had been roleblocked or if there was just no result to get.

meaning test roleblocks on me are rather useless.

as was most of today's discussion. the way investigations are being resolved with roleblocks is explicitly non-normal in this setup.

i'm taking a break from night actions. hopefully someone was given interesting alignment info from reactions to this regardless.

[Maxous]

Did they ever "clarify," as you said, that they were indeed roleblocked?

uhh yeah the bolded part.

they were roleblocked just like everyone else was, the whole thing was based on a misunderstanding and i would love to move on.

please

[Maxous]

Maxous you too. Top 2 scumreads that aren't Narna. Go.

A50 is being oblivious on purpose. he's way over-killed it. scum.

Giovanni is probably is scum with Narna.

[Maxous]

lynching obv-scum Narna would give us more information ya bird-brains.

how much of a scum lynch do you want on a silver platter before you vote?

[Maxous]

The way Maxous is 100% sure Nahdia is town is also sketchy to me.

it's called a town-read.
based on thier posts, not over-complicated night action speculation

Narna is also scum based on posts and not over-complicated night action speculation about being framed (he wasn't)

[Maxous]

we've been over this: Nahdia blocked me N4 so it's impossible i had anything to do with Sir Cakez.

and yeah, I have no reason to block SC in the first place..

I blocked Shiro because i thought he was scum.
I blocked Nahdia because I didn't want them blocking Andrius' "vigs"
I blokced Not Chara because I thought they were scummy.
I blocked Creature because i thought he was scummy

These were all pro-town blocks while a block on Cakez obv-town certainly wouldn't be

-

put it this way: if i'm a scum roleblocker and Narna is SO town with a cop role, why has Narna not been blocked then?

[Maxous]

Copy
Hide
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

As you see, Block is higher priority then re-direction.
Nahdia blocked me so re-direction would of been impossible

I had nothing to do with Cakez, i blocked Creature. that's it.

[Maxous]

w/e

i'm a ghost, i block people

Ank, peregrine, pine, cakez and nahdia are obvious town.

y'all can lynch the rest

[Maxous]

fine. fuck it

i didn't want to claim this but i kinda have to at this rate

my character is W.D. Gaster

my role is self-aligned. My win condition is to survive. If I get lynched I lose.

I can win with either the town or the scum.

Obviously i can manipulate votecounts and deadlines, honestly I just dicking around and having fun with them
Day 2 - I didn't realise the flip would be in wingdings too, I legit regretted that one.
Day 4 - I wanted the day to just hurry up and lynch, this game was dragging on too long and there was no need for another 2 weeks of doing jack-shit.

I'm ascetic and bulletproof and yes I can f'n roleblock thx, I can only die by lynch etc.

I know people are just gonna be suspect that i'm lying and that I can't win with the town - but i'll the point to only 1 night-kill per night. How do I win on my own if I can't kill?

Frankly I think there's certain people that are operating off too much insider information here, even if I do lose you know where to look for the actual scum-team. (yes i'm kinda salty towards the scum right now)

[Maxous]

Meaning Gio would not die if he targeted you, because he would not be allowed to actually target you....

Just curious, why save zakk with the day1 stuff?

yeah gio couldn't target me.
i didn't specifically save zakk.
Skull gave me a bunch of shiny toys and i'm a child in a candy store.
I was just using the abilities when I could

@Math: sorry if you're pissed off but :shrug: I didn't want to claim the role because it *is* a third-party which are generally lynched

[Maxous]

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Sir Cakez

they're my real targets, I tried blocking Cakez because I thoguht he might be a 'surprise scum'. I would of admitted it but Nahdia says she jailkept me which put me in trouble and I had to lie about it.

[Maxous]

i get your frustration but i was playing to my win condition of surviving.

i'm only admitting it now because i will literally lose if i don't

[Maxous]

i was told i win if i survive.

:meh:

[Maxous]

The better question is give us a reason to not lynch you. What have you done for town?

8 dead town
14 players with 4~5 scum.
I can give a not-scumteam vote and you can lynch ACTUAL scumteam before the game becomes too tight

plus i might catch the scumkill with my roleblock. It is what I was genuinely trying to do (which is why i left all the investigatives alone, as i knew they wouldn't be performing night kills )

[Maxous]

I am sorry Maxous. I was angry the Fuck you was uncalled for. Still angry with you though.

i get it

if you want my opinion - i maintain PeregrineV is town, i have enough experience with him that i'm

fairly

confident in that and Ank backs this up.
Not Chara might be another town in that list then.

[Maxous]

:shrug:

i was pushing the not-me wagon most likely to get lynched.
for obvious reasons

[Maxous]

no, i used my last toy resetting the day.
I can only use each ability once per game and only one ability per day

[Maxous]

Giovanni with the god-tier scumwork

[Maxous]

I got played so badly. XD

"He's taking it seriously?"
Yes, yes I am. *facepalm*

Sorry Yoshi!

but yeah, that turned out kinda funny in the end.

mod gave me too many toys

[Maxous]

Okay hold up.

That message? It read "A new faction has been created.
MY FACTION."

Throw every single read you've had this game out the window. The scum faction only just got created.

I'm going to be eternally salty about this.

well... i spent my whole pre-flip reinforcing that i was independent-aligned and that there was a still a secret scum-team in the game.
that's the entire reason why i claimed third party like i did etc. <== i think some people were asking about this too

[Maxous]

I almost forgot to ask, and if it's in the PTs let me know

@Maxous

- Talk about your selection process for your Gaster-team. Why did you pick who you did and how did you arrive at that decision? Did you plan anything with regards to timing your own death to more control the size of the scumteam? How did you choose your NKs, and were they in the moment of the game, or future thinking?

Oh just seen this.
My early Nightkills were hunting an imaginary scumteam because I wasn't told I was the only scum. I only figured that out around Day 3, at which point I started killing and blocking anybody that had feedback powers to hide my ascetic status since I already claimed role blocker.
Sidenote: I claimed role blocker as early as I could so everyone knew I had a confirmable role, to throw off that I could kill.
My death was a stupid mistake. I role-blocked SC because I thought inventors weren't informed that they were blocked. He was and it screwed me over.
I picked SC and Gio largely because they had PR's which would encourage the town to keep them around.
For example Gio may well have been lynched one of the days but people wanted to use his weak ability.
Most towns are hesitant to lynch good roles regardless of dayplay.
They were also very middle-of-the-pack players.
Players who weren't likely to get lynched like creeps or players who weren't obvious night kill targets like Nahdia.
I think I lucked out with the decision honestly, Gio was better at scum than I even thought he would be.