Mini Normal 1873 (Game Over)

[ThinkBig]

Can we not talk about role blockers until tomorrow?

Fair

[Titus]

Can we not talk about role blockers until tomorrow?

We can table that for now. You may revisit this issue later.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alright, discuss the reasoning why Shannon would claim that she had 3 protective shots instead of just going down the VT route.

My gut has been a good gut this game and right now my gut says Shannon!scum doesn't claim protectives and think it would be a good idea to push me as scum.

This is the basis that scum know I'm town and what I'm doing so they know if they push it and actually get the lynch, major heat falls on their slot. I'm saying that only town in this scenario has the audacity to actually question my slot based on her own actions.

If you still don't get it, also do the old trick of "what would I do in this situation."

If you had used a bodyguard on someone who was a town investigative role and outed themselves, would you not be suspect if they weren't targeted; especially given the scenario where a lurker slot died over a talkative conf player?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No one post, I'm theory crafting and don't need distractions

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

[Titus]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

That is my theory on vote counts.

[ThinkBig]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

This theory makes a lot of sense. AA and Alisae were opportunistic wagons for scum to push. As was the LQ wagon.

[Titus]

I still however, have Shannon as viable and Lexa as a long shot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That is my theory on vote counts.

-Credits to Titus

[Titus]

That is my theory on vote counts.

-Credits to Titus

Sorry for making you do the work and not being clear. As you can tell, I'm in my egg head three moves ahead space.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Intent to hammer if no claim is given

(expired on 2017-02-14 08:00:00)

P-Edit: Eh, it's all good. You opened the idea to me and I have to work things out myself before I really get it anyways.

I think by tonight, I should be able to figure out a game solve play but I won't release it unless I find it perfect/full proof.

[ThinkBig]

karnos, please use the nn-existent venge-kill on me, I beg of you

. Especially as I said pressure not "claim", blatant misrepping of what I said.

Interesting exchange at the end. Devil here, and other places, seems to *know* that Karnos is lying about being vengeful.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

pointed that out earlier as what is suspect to me.

I find it weird because at least from my analysis, Karnos claiming Vengeful made no sense from scum as it's a promised lynch. I will still say it but I really fucking hate how I get caught by "too dumb to be scum" moves.

[ThinkBig]

pointed that out earlier as what is suspect to me.

I find it weird because at least from my analysis, Karnos claiming Vengeful made no sense from scum as it's a promised lynch. I will still say it but I really fucking hate how I get caught by "too dumb to be scum" moves.

Yeah. Vengeful claim should be an automatic PL IMO.

[ThinkBig]

@Gin - I don't think Devil is at L-1

<<< This is correct. As of this post, PranaDevil is at L-2. >>>

[Titus]

Intent to hammer if no claim is given

(expired on 2017-02-14 08:00:00)

P-Edit: Eh, it's all good. You opened the idea to me and I have to work things out myself before I really get it anyways.

I think by tonight, I should be able to figure out a game solve play but I won't release it unless I find it perfect/full proof.

You should post and we discuss it before hammering because I will have plenty to chime in about.

[ThinkBig]

Yeah Devil is still at L-2. I would not object to putting him at L-1

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You should post and we discuss it before hammering because I will have plenty to chime in about.

I will only discuss it when it becomes full proof, otherwise I drop anything that can be manipulated, well I just helped scum.

[Titus]

pointed that out earlier as what is suspect to me.

I find it weird because at least from my analysis, Karnos claiming Vengeful made no sense from scum as it's a promised lynch. I will still say it but I really fucking hate how I get caught by "too dumb to be scum" moves.

Me too, but we're winning by too good and stupid to be true, so it balances out.

[Titus]

You should post and we discuss it before hammering because I will have plenty to chime in about.

I will only discuss it when it becomes full proof, otherwise I drop anything that can be manipulated, well I just helped scum.

You could just tell me your concerns and I can work on it overnight.

[ThinkBig]

Here is the voting history of Garmr and Devil from D1.

Garmr

:

Alisae

==>

karnos

PranaDevil

:

Alisae-->LicketyQuickety-->All Alone-->

karnos

[ThinkBig]

Devil seems to be doing everything possible to derail the Karnos wagon until it is too late. Every single wagon he attempts to start are opportunistic lynch bait.

[Lexa]

Is it true that LQ was lynchbait day 1 or did that only occur after karnos's flip?

[Lexa]

Your conclusion would also imply that my vote on All Alone was opportunistic lynch bait and I'm quite confident that he wasn't lynch bait but rather a genuine lynch candidate in my eyes given my post analysis.

[ThinkBig]

I had a pretty heavy SR on him in the beginning, but it slowly became a TR. karnos' flip didn't seem to help.