Mini Normal 1873 (Game Over)

[ThinkBig]

Claim List

1. shannon - No claim
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Pepchoninga - No claim
6. Lexa - Vanilla (found to be false by neapolitan)
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claim

EBWOP

I think it is time for a mass claim. I especially want to hear from Lexa.

[ThinkBig]

@Lexa, why did you lie about being VT and why do you TR Shannon?

Claiming roleblocker (All Alone --> Pepchoninga --> Garmr). As far as I was concerned Alisae's claim was blatantly faked and designed to try and direct pressure away from him, I wasn't about to give (what I thought was) the scum team free information. Didn't expect a town to lie about their role so many times, though. Aimed my roleblock at my strongest scum reads n1 and n2 and then at Garmr n3 who I had concerns about "quitting but not really" as scum to avoid targeting given he'd been seen as more suspicious near the end of the day.

Town read on shannon was primarily based on their posting motivations (ref page 933 in my iso), their posts seemed almost exclusively town motivated from day 1 and in particular I didn't see any reason they would post the voting associations is 637 as they did. I haven't noticed anything since my catchup post that really enforces that position though, they've fallen a bit under my radar probably due to the short days and I'm thinking I'll have to take a closer look at them tomorrow. @anyone who's played with her, is she capable to pull of a deep-cover scum game like this?

Role blocker in this set up is pretty much a scum claim.

VOTE: lexa

Not following how RB=Scum claim

[ThinkBig]

Hold on. If lexa is a scum role blocker, why didn't lexa block Gin?

[ThinkBig]

In addition, if scum does have a role blocker, why wasn't Gin blocked?

[ThinkBig]

I think it is more likely for scum to have a role cop than a role blocker. That may explain why AA was killed night 2 and flipped with a PR.

[ThinkBig]

It's weird cuz the counterwagon of town!Alisae was actually another town wagon.

Agreed. Possible one scum on one wagon and another scum on the other?

[ThinkBig]

Also, Lexa is the conf!lynch for myself as a scum roleblocker with apparently 3 JOATS makes the most sense. Now, how much I believe Shannon's claim, I'm not quite so sure of it.

Also, why I could use my Neo-shot on Lexa to prove she wasn't actually a VT and that not prove my role, I still don't know.

Again, how I could claim at the time that I did under no pressure be seen as scum, I won't know.

Lastly, I don't know how I could D1 start to suspect ThinkBig in the beginning, slowly build a TR, and then drop a shit ton of hints in case I died N2 that I checked TB and preplanned all that not knowing a JOAT was in the game besides myself; while also knowing if I ever flipped scum, all that would be meaningless; I seriously won't know.

+1

Shannon's theory is, as she describes it, crack pot. If I were to flip scum, it proves that you are scum also. Fake claiming cop and clearing their buddy is awful play from scum, especially on day 2 when there was little to no pressure on either of us.

[ThinkBig]

Shannon's attempts to cast shades on me and Gin have been noted.

[ThinkBig]

Claim List

1. shannon - JOAT (jailkeeper, doctor, bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Pepchoninga - No claim
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claim

With AA's flip, we have 5 investigation shots and 3 protection shots. Shannon's JOAT claim is suspicious as it could lead to a mini follow the cops.

If they're telling the truth, then this set up seems very town sided.

[ThinkBig]

Also if interest to note, Lexa's role blocks are either dead or claimed VT, with the exception of Pep

[ThinkBig]

Why did you lie about being a vanilla?

[ThinkBig]

@Lexa: When and why did Garmr go from a slight town read to a strong enough scum read to roleblock him? Also, why didn't you role block Alisae if you felt he was lying?

[ThinkBig]

Page top

<<< Oh really?
It looks like a page bottom to me! >>>

[ThinkBig]

Haha. Beat you moderator!!

<<< I see no evidence of this. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Cheater!!!

<<< I'm the moderator, bitch. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Fair enough.

[ThinkBig]

<<< I loved that game! JaeReed is an awesome mod. (Well, JaeReed is an awesome person, but is an awesome mod, too!) I was in fact a reviewer! It was 1857. >>>

I was in that game as an alt! Fantastic game.

<<< Huh. Did not know that. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Yeah. It's getting annoying. Won't be surprised if he is replaced. I wish we could PL me for inactivity.

[ThinkBig]

Yeah. It's getting annoying. Won't be surprised if he is replaced. I wish we could PL

him

for inactivity.

Jesus H. Christ I hate phone posting!

[ThinkBig]

From Urban Dictionary:

An alternative to Jesus Christ. The H is added due to numerous reasons. Some say it stood for Holy, some say it stood for Harold because of, "Our Father, who art in heaven, Harold be thy name."

[ThinkBig]

Side note, at this point, I don't believe Lexa and pep can both actually be scum, as there would be no way in hell scum bus D2 because they'd be rightly fucked, especially at day start.

Interesting point.

Who do you think makes the most sense as scum with Karnos? Also, do you believe Shannon's JOAT claim?

[ThinkBig]

Reading back over, I really

really

don't like how Shannon cast shades on both of us and voted me after the wagon formed on Lexa. Perhaps trying too hard to defend her buddy?

[ThinkBig]

Gin?

[ThinkBig]

What do you think of what I mentioned above?

[ThinkBig]

Fair enough. Have a good night.

[ThinkBig]

Hey I just met you, and this is crazy....but I am stealing

[ThinkBig]

The next page top!

[ThinkBig]

<<< I loved that game! JaeReed is an awesome mod. (Well, JaeReed is an awesome person, but is an awesome mod, too!) I was in fact a reviewer! It was 1857. >>>

I was in that game as an alt! Fantastic game.

OK, who are you an alt of? How did I not know that?!

Kohai, though I had to replace out due to RL issues. Though it was a lot of fun when I did play and when I was observing. Still it was a great game for the scum team

[ThinkBig]

@Devil: Who do you think is more likely scum between Gramr and Shannon?

[ThinkBig]

@Shannon, I am guessing you did not mean to make those quotes

P-edit: Yeah

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Think Big

Question @Shannon: Do you still feel that Gin/Myself are the scum team or that Gin was lying when he cleared me as town. If so, why did you vote me instead of Gin? Wouldn't it make more sense to get Gin's flip before mine. After all, if Gin flips town JOAT as he claimed, then I'm confirmed town.

[ThinkBig]

I know you unvoted, but still.

[ThinkBig]

@MOD: Hypothetically in a Jailkeeper scenario, would a jailkeeper render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night (i.e. cop, tracker, etc)?

<<< Answered in 1319. >>>

[ThinkBig]

I don't see any scum motivation for Gin to have claimed where he did. Neither of us were under any pressure and the scum team may have thought that there was a doctor protecting him or me so they decided to kill BBT as a safe choice.

Not liking he shades.

[ThinkBig]

And I'm also not liking your AtE

[ThinkBig]

Devil and Garmr are by far my biggest town reads. Lexa, Shannon, and pep are left. Lexa should no doubt be today's lynch, but not without hearing from pep

[ThinkBig]

I don't think there's anything I can say to convince anyone that my claim is real, so I'm going to prodge from here on in, until someone decides to take it seriously and look at the other options.

((Additional crackpot theory: Prana knows that G+T's results and the VCA do exactly what she says, and points to her or lexa vs. me and garmr. But actually both she and lexa are scum. She's going to use lexa's flip to get town cred, then go after either of pep, gamr or me for the win. I've seen a similar strategy before))

Now you are throwing shades at Devil. Give me a break.

[ThinkBig]

Anyone here?

[ThinkBig]

Spoiler:

@MOD: Hypothetically in a Jailkeeper scenario, would a jailkeeper render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night (i.e. cop, tracker, etc)?

No. That is not a jailkeeper.

The role which functions the way you describe is called an 'Alien', a hybrid of a Roleblocker and a Rolestopper: stops the target player from acting, and stops ALL actions targeting that player from working.

A Jailkeeper is a hybrid of a Roleblocker and a Doctor: stops the target player from acting, and stops NIGHTKILLS targeting that player from going through.

Or if you prefer, as per the wiki:

Variations

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as

Alien

.

Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.

It should be noted that the clause "Any role that receives results but is blocked" is referring to the player TARGETED by the jailkeeper, NOT a player targeting the TARGET of the jailkeeper. (I'll raise the issue to Nexus about the unclear wording of that section.)

Thanks for clarifying. The wiki page is a big vague with the terms.

[ThinkBig]

Just a thought: Does it make sense for town to have both a 1-shot JK and a full RB? A JK functions essentially as a roleblocker. If Lexa flips scum, I think Shannon might be town.

I disagree with Shannon's reasoning regarding Devil. I have a hard time seeing any scum motivation behind his post so.

[ThinkBig]

I don't see a world in which Gin is scum. Claiming a clear as a gunsmith is very risky. If he flipped with any role with a gun, Gin would have been lynched. I've read Gin's scum play and this isn't it.

[ThinkBig]

Why is that? Would you rather wait for a replacement to come in?

[ThinkBig]

Then who would you rather lynch? Also, the problem is it could lead scum to attempt a no kill gambit.

[ThinkBig]

Yeah. Too risky. Especially sense you said it out loud, scum could jump on that opportunity.

[ThinkBig]

I still think lexa is our best lynch, though I want to hear from the replacement.

[ThinkBig]

Ok. Any hammers at this point I will treat as a scum claim.

[ThinkBig]

I'll personally be shocked if we are both alive tomorrow.

[ThinkBig]

Still trying to sort him out, but I lean town. His push on karnos may have been an attempt to hard bus or distance that gone too far and it was too late to back out of.

I do lean town though.

[ThinkBig]

Yeah it really is. I am going to have to re read it myself. IIRC I replaced after you

[ThinkBig]

Thanks Mastina! I'd love to use that for my game that's now in sign ups, but the links are bad and don't work.

[ThinkBig]

Link doesn't work dear mastina

That makes two of us

[ThinkBig]

You know what, go for it.

I don't have the patience to try to break of a clique of fanatics.

Just make sure you lynch XnadrojX & Garmr, in that order, after me.

Hold on. This maybe something important to note. Karnos wanted to lynch/kill both Jordan (who died night 1) and Garmr. Might be useful sorting his slot

[ThinkBig]

Also I think we should note this. AA flipped town. The only possible people on the wagon that could be scum are Devil and lexa.

All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.

I think all alone wagon shows that karnos is scum. Basically karnos has been a consistent wagon that has slowly built up on good reasoning and no one town reads him. In fact the only defense has been from LicketyQuickety who null reads him and that was lackluster at best.

Then All alone comes along. Honestly he/she is the perfect lynchbait. He says things that draw negative attention to him/herself.

They do things that get them to much negative attention that scum wouldn't do.

So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?

It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).

Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.

UNVOTE:

don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh

Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.

My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.

And also, I

do

expect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.

Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.

Seventeenth Votecount

:

karnos - 4 (Garmr, XnadrojX, BlueBloodedToffee, TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)

ThinkBig - 2 (shannon, Alisae)
LicketyQuickety - 1 (All Alone)
XnadrojX - 1 (karnos)

Not Voting - 1 (Pepchoninga)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

karnos is at L-3.
All Alone is at L-3.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Lexa is V/LA through Tuesday, January 24th.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

₍₌₀₎

karnos - 4 (Garmr, XnadrojX, BlueBloodedToffee, TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

^(+2/-1)

All Alone - 4 (Lexa,

Alisae

, LicketyQuickety,

PranaDevil, ThinkBig

)

_(+1/-3)

LicketyQuickety - 1 (

PranaDevil

,

shannon

,

ThinkBig

,

All Alone

)

₍₌₀₎

XnadrojX - 1 (karnos)

_(-1)

PranaDevil - 0 (

All Alone

)

⁽⁺²⁾

ThinkBig - 2 (shannon, Alisae)

^(+1/-1)

Not Voting - 1 (Pepchoninga,

ThinkBig

)

Last votecount was post 500, page 21.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day One

• shannon:
  XnadroJX==>Alisae==>LicketyQuickety==>ThinkBig
  
• BlueBloodedToffee:
  karnos
  
• nydushermain/TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
  Alisae | karnos==>Pepchoninga==>karnos
  
• LicketyQuickety:
  Alisae==>shannon==>All Alone
  
• Pepchoninga:
  
  
• Lexa:
  All Alone
  
• karnos:
  shannon==>nydushermain==>LicketyQuickety==>>XnadrojX
  
• KTthecreeper/ThinkBig:
  Garmr | LicketyQuickety=>Unvote==>All Alone
  
• Alisae:
  nydushermain==>LicketyQuickety==>XnadrojX==>All Alone==>Thinkbig
  
• Garmr:
  Alisae==>karnos
  
• XnadrojX:
  Alisae==>karnos
  
• All Alone:
  nydushermain=>Unvote==>PranaDevil==>LicketyQuickety
  
• PranaDevil:
  Alisae-->LicketyQuickety-->All Alone

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted D1

1. Alisae:
   6 - Garmr, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, XnadrojX, nydushermain, shannon
   
2. LicketyQuickety:
   6 - karnos, Alisae, PranaDevil, shannon, ThinkBig, All Alone
   
3. karnos:
   5 - Garmr, XnadrojX, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, BlueBloodedToffee, TheRealGin-N-Tonic
   
4. All Alone:
   5 - Lexa, Alisae, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig
   
5. nydushermain/TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
   3 - Alisae, All Alone, karnos
   
6. XnadrojX:
   3 - shannon, karnos, Alisae
   
7. shannon:
   2 - karnos, LicketyQuickety
   
8. ThinkBig:
   2 - shannon, Alisae
   
9. Garmr:
   1 - KTthecreeper
   
10. Pepchoninga:
    1 - TheRealGin-N-Tonic
    
11. PranaDevil:
    1 - All Alone

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:28p,

Alisae

Voted

nydushermain

in post 28.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:32p,

Garmr

Voted

Alisae

in post 29.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:42p,

All Alone

Voted

nydushermain

in post 32.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:52p,

KTthecreeper

Voted

Garmr

in post 36.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:57p,

karnos

Voted

shannon

in post 38.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:19p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

Alisae

in post 46.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:31p,

PranaDevil

voted

Alisae

in post 52.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 04:43p,

XnadrojX

Voted

Alisae

in post 67.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 05:57p,

shannon

Voted

XnadrojX

in post 69.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:13p,

Lexa

Voted

All Alone

in post 73.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:28p,

karnos

Voted

nydushermain

in post 75.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:48p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

shannon

in post 80.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:08p,

karnos

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 99.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:09p,

Alisae

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 100.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:19p,

Garmr

Voted

karnos

in post 102.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 10:17p,

nydushermain

Voted

Alisae

in post 115.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 10:23p,

XnadrojX

Voted

karnos

in post 120.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 09:38a,

karnos

Unvoted

LicketyQuickety

, and Voted

XnadrojX

in post 188.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 01:41p,

Alisae

Voted

XnadrojX

in post 210.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 05:51p,

shannon

Voted

Alisae

in post 216.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 10:54p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

karnos

in post 245.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 12:39a,

BlueBloodedToffee

Voted

karnos

in post 261.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:10p,

PranaDevil

voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 279.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:30p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

Pepchoninga

in post 283.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:37p,

All Alone

Unvoted

(

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

)

in post 285.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:38p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

karnos

in post 286.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:39p,

Alisae

Voted

All Alone

in post 287.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 01:21a,

shannon

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 367.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 07:37a,

All Alone

Voted

PranaDevil

in post 400.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 07:41a,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

All Alone

in post 401.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 03:16p,

ThinkBig

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 499.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 03:48p,

All Alone

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 515.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 05:00p,

shannon

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 536.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 05:18p,

PranaDevil

voted

All Alone

in post 542.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 06:06p,

ThinkBig

Unvoted

(

LicketyQuickety

)

in post 566.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 06:07p,

Alisae

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 569.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 07:01p,

ThinkBig

Voted

All Alone

in post 609.

[ThinkBig]

Welcome Titus!! <3

[ThinkBig]

Ok, i need claims, if the scum lynch was a guilty.

Also, if someone colors and replaces all names in Mastina's VCA that would be awesome.

I've already claimed VT. Gin and I are confirmed town.

I think I know what Devil is alluding to, but I don't want to give the Mafia more information.

[ThinkBig]

Ok, i need claims, if the scum lynch was a guilty.

Also, if someone colors and replaces all names in Mastina's VCA that would be awesome.

Also, here are the claim list

1. shannon - JOAT (jailkeeper, doctor, bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Titus - No claim
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claim

[ThinkBig]

Notice: Weekend V/LA

<<< I am uncertain if this is permanent or just this weekend, and would appreciate clarification. For now I am marking it as permanent. >>>

[ThinkBig]

This is gut but I seriously feel like you're town here.

Agreed

[ThinkBig]

Major FOS on Lexa. Her push on pep was opportunistic af

[ThinkBig]

Do scum have daychat?

Any and all game topics will remain open the entire game

<<< This is indeed the case. >>>

I imagine this means they do. Though unless you're playing dumb, I'm pretty damn confident you are town. I missed this at first myself.

[ThinkBig]

Notice: Weekend V/LA

<<< I am uncertain if this is permanent or just this weekend, and would appreciate clarification. For now I am marking it as permanent. >>>

Make this permanent. That way I don't have to announce every week.

<<< Alright, thanks for letting me know. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Indeed it is.

Town Block

Me
Gin
Titus
Devil

Who's left?

Shannon
Lexa
Garmr

We lynch in those three and I don't see town losing.

[ThinkBig]

Lexa/Garmr and Lexa/Shannon both can be teams. Lexa/Titus I have a hard time seeing as a team; namely if Lexa is scum, I don't see her attempting to bus her buddy (pep) on D2 after one scum was lynched. Mafia will be in a bad position.

Lexa's flip will give us a ton of information to work on and is by far the best lynch.

[ThinkBig]

Indeed. All hail Queen Titus. Long live the Queen.

On a serious note, who do you think is most likely scum? If lexa is scum, who is her buddy? If she's town, then who is scum?

[ThinkBig]

Why Devil? I have a hard time seeing scum motivation in his posts.

[ThinkBig]

Any reason why Devil is higher up than Garmr? I'd probably would rather lynch Garmr before Lexa.

[ThinkBig]

Devil I mean.

[ThinkBig]

Just a thought: I think there *migt* be a tracker/watcher/follower role somewhere in the game. What's the point of AA's one-shot fruit vendor if there isn't?

[ThinkBig]

Checked BBT night 2 after his "pow" hammer and used a gunsmith, given that my results said he had no gun, I was able to conclude he was not mafia

That is NOT a confirmed clear on BBT.

^^

Though it is pretty close IMO. If the mafia had a doctor or traitor, they will show up as NOT having a gun. Similar, town roles might also have a gun.

[ThinkBig]

Checked BBT night 2 after his "pow" hammer and used a gunsmith, given that my results said he had no gun, I was able to conclude he was not mafia

That is NOT a confirmed clear on BBT.

^^

Though it is pretty close IMO. If the mafia had a doctor or traitor, they will show up as NOT having a gun. Similar, town roles might also have a gun.

This. If everyone in the town PRs is honest, a traitor wouldn't be unheard of.

Back to the VCs.

Do you think it is possible for there to be a traitor?

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE:

[ThinkBig]

I don't think there was a BBT wagon, surprisingly enough.

[ThinkBig]

BBT was killed night theee, not lynched. Mod needs to fix that in the OP

<<< How the fuck did I...
...God I must have been exhausted. Fixing. >>>

[ThinkBig]

It's ok RadiantCowbells. I am also

[ThinkBig]

@Titus: What do you think of my theory that there is probably a watcher/tracker role in the game given AA's 1-shot fruit vendor?

[ThinkBig]

I should replace out and Pine take my place <_<

Honest to God Pine and I have never been of the same alignment except when we played as a hydra.

[ThinkBig]

@Titus: What do you think of my theory that there is probably a watcher/tracker role in the game given AA's 1-shot fruit vendor?

I avoided this deliberately. Why do you think it's protown to ask?

More set up speculation than anything. I don't want a claim from anyone FTR unless you have an incriminating result.

[ThinkBig]

I hate Pine hate hate hate hate hate hate hate Pine and his stupid fucking scum god-like WIFOM, besides that he's chill

I'm going to start policy lynching him in all of my games with him. Lol.

[ThinkBig]

@Titus: What do you think of my theory that there is probably a watcher/tracker role in the game given AA's 1-shot fruit vendor?

I avoided this deliberately. Why do you think it's protown to ask?

More set up speculation than anything. I don't want a claim from anyone FTR unless you have an incriminating result.

That's not a cool thing to ask IMO.

Fair enough

[ThinkBig]

Just realized the start of tgat could read wrong. I was directing the comment at shannon. There is no way she's confirmed town.

Yeah. I was just about to ask how Shannon is conf town

Anyway

VOTE: Lexa

L-1 I believe. We have plenty of information to go on. Her flip, regardless of alignment, will be an information gold mine

<<< I think I'm fixing a tag here? I honestly don't have a clue what happened there. >>>

<<< Oh! Fixed! >>>

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Lexa

[ThinkBig]

You know I no longer believe your claim came from town so we are probably just going to go round in circles here.

You need to explain this further. I don't think Gin is a competent enough scum player (sorry Gin) to fake claim and clear as many people as he did and to catch Lexa in a lie. I don't think the shades you are throwing come from town.

[ThinkBig]

I have no clue how to fix ThinkBig's 1558. It broke, I tried to fix it, the fix didn't fix it, so you'll have to do without.

Yeah. Not even yours worked. Interesting bug

[ThinkBig]

@Totus: Why do you think Lexa is town and why do you think Devil is a better lynch than Lexa?

[ThinkBig]

I think Lexa is a better lynch because:
1. He lied about his role (I am a firm believer in lynching all liars, that is unless a doctor or cop claims VT in order to investigate and avoid the NK);
2. If she flips Mafia, Titus is essentially cleared

Right now her flip will tell us more than Devil.

[ThinkBig]

I think Lexa is a better lynch because:
1. He lied about his role (I am a firm believer in lynching all liars, that is unless a doctor or cop claims VT in order to investigate and avoid the NK);

So you're okay with lying if you think it's justified. Do you not think I was justified given my reasoning?

Given all we've discussed I think the best option is to

lynch shannon

, her claim being a functional cc to my claim makes it very unlikely we both are town

Roleblocker as town is more of a negative utility role than a pro utility role. You are more likely to RB a town PR than the scum who is performing the NK. Had you claimed RB in the first place, I may not be pushing for your lynch.

I ageee with Garmr. I think you and Shannon are both scum.

[ThinkBig]

In all reality, a roleblocker is really the perfect fake claim for a mafioso who has been found to be lying about being a VT.

[ThinkBig]

Unfortunately it really can't be proven at this point. The claimed PRs have used up there shots. Furthermore, as I mentioned previously, the scum team can use a no kill gambit to fake being role blocked.

[ThinkBig]

Unfortunately it really can't be proven at this point. The claimed PRs have used up there shots. Furthermore, as I mentioned previously, the scum team can use a no kill gambit to fake being role blocked.

This is why Devil claims and I claim today. This is a horrible assumption.

What is a horrible assumption?

[ThinkBig]

It's intesting that I proposed a mass claim today and Garmr/Devil are the only ones who still are opposed to it

Unvote: Lexa
Vote: Devil

For pressure

Also with how fast the Karnos wagon was built it is almost impossible for it to be an all town wagon.

[ThinkBig]

@Devil, can you at least say if you are a PR or not?

[ThinkBig]

Devil if you don't claim, you are going to get lynched. At least say if you are a PR or not.

[ThinkBig]

Pressure voting kind of loses its purpose when you announce

Btw mastina I set my vote on Shannon a while ago

Where did you vote Shannon? I don't see it in your ISO.

[ThinkBig]

I think you need to bold

Vote: shannon

In order for it to be counted. I didn't interpret it as a vote either.

(Note: Not voted because I do NOT want this to count)

<<< This is correct. Bolded "Vote: playername" will count. Unbolded "vote: playername" will not; other ways of bolding a playername will not count. I can only count a clear, unambiguous vote, and the only way for me to know it is a clear, unambiguous vote is to see the word vote, or have it be inside vote tags. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Unless that's not accepted as a standard lynch format and I'm too used to talk voting from my home meta in which case confirming VOTE: shannon

My home site uses VTL (vote to lynch) Player name as the standard way to vote.

[ThinkBig]

*shrug* It's pretty clear I view the d1 wagon on Karnos as a bus becayse scum failed to get a counter.

You can get melodramatic because I am playing correctly, or you can just actually listen.

you said it was a failed bus wagon but you said the buses were late.

Um????

[ThinkBig]

What you guys hi and umming about?

Hi Gin!

[ThinkBig]

I'm actually now leaning more of a Devil/Garmr team than Shannon/Lexa team. Scum!Lexa would have role blocked Gin last night.

[ThinkBig]

If scum has a role blocker, why didn't they use it on Gin?

[ThinkBig]

I'm actually now leaning more of a Devil/Garmr team than Shannon/Lexa team. Scum!Lexa would have role blocked Gin last night.

For me it's like, why not block me? If I was blocked, she would still be under the guise of VT and I still wouldn't have been able to see that she was lying.

Exactly.

Though if I was Lexa's partner, I'd have been bussing her for town cred after you caught her lying.

[ThinkBig]

That doesn't work anyways cuz I used the shot on you

What doesn't work?

[ThinkBig]

What I am saying is that from a scum perspective, if I was scum with lexa (which I am obviously not) I'd have attempted to hard bus her.

[ThinkBig]

I see the point Garmr is making and am getting a bit paranoid about Titus. However, you would have to believe Lexa attempted to bus her partner day 2 after lynching her other partner. That's not a good position for scum to be in.

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lexa

This flip will give us infinitely more information. If lexa flips scum, I am going to want to have a hard look at Titus.

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Sorry for the double post

I think I know what Devil is trying to say by not claiming.

[ThinkBig]

Pine, I do have to ask.

You have a rolecop allegedly. There's a dead rolecop. Nothing you've done cannot be faked. I don't believe it is. I do have to ask though.

ehmm

Is the All Alone flip wrong? Or do I have your claim wrong?

He is 1-shot cop, gunsmith and neopolotan. AA was vanilla cop, rolecop, and fruit vendor (visitor)

[ThinkBig]

Not so wild crack pot theory: Devil is a watcher/tracker/and or/follower which is why he isn't claiming. This explains AA's 1-shot fruit vendor role (a role that does basically nothing)

[ThinkBig]

Not so wild crack pot theory: Devil is a watcher/tracker/and or/follower which is why he isn't claiming. This explains AA's 1-shot fruit vendor role (a role that does basically nothing)

Dude, do I need a sledgehammer?

Where am I going wrong with that theory?

[ThinkBig]

Not so wild crack pot theory: Devil is a watcher/tracker/and or/follower which is why he isn't claiming. This explains AA's 1-shot fruit vendor role (a role that does basically nothing)

Dude, do I need a sledgehammer?

Where am I going wrong with that theory?

Read this page again. And again. If you ask again, I'm going to need to get drunk.

I already am drunk

[ThinkBig]

Why don't you claim, Titus?

Also, he doesn't want to claim possibly because he is a PR

[ThinkBig]

Titus, you want Devil to claim but you're not claiming yourself. How the fuck do I TR that?

[ThinkBig]

Titus, are you claiming you have an incriminating result on devil?

[ThinkBig]

But for the record, I've already answered that too.

Which post?

[ThinkBig]

But for the record, I've already answered that too.

Which post?

Broken record answer. Reread these last two pages.

Just post it again or post the link to posts you want me to look at. I obviously didn't get the hint in the past two pages even after a quick reskim.

Neither did I

[ThinkBig]

Thinkbig, can it, let Titus do her thing.

No I too want to hear titus answer.

Now, I really

don't want to directly answer

. Vote me Garmr.

Translation: Yes

If you

do

have an incriminating result, why can't ou just hard claim so we can end the day? You won't be dying tonight as

Pine

Gin already said.

[ThinkBig]

ThinkBig LISTEN TO ME. STOP FUCKING PUSHING THIS.

Ok fine

UNVOTE:

[ThinkBig]

@Gin, for the record I still think Titus is most likely town. I don't think scum Titus will fake dumb as this post:

Do scum have daychat?

<<< Answered in 1546. >>>

[ThinkBig]

claimed?

Possibly scum buddy with devil?

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Devil

[ThinkBig]

I only did it to TB because I know TB is town in this case, as to why I don't need read information, Garmr on the other hand...

Technically, you know TB is town or Mob doctor, but I think that TB's town here.

Unless I have your results backwards...

Yeah. He used his cop result on me and gunsmith on BBT. I obviously can't be a mod doctor.

Also there is obviously no vig or SK so there will be no need for a mob doc

[ThinkBig]

I only did it to TB because I know TB is town in this case, as to why I don't need read information, Garmr on the other hand...

Technically, you know TB is town or Mob doctor, but I think that TB's town here.

Unless I have your results backwards...

Yeah. He used his cop result on me and gunsmith on BBT. I obviously can't be a mod doctor.

Also there is obviously no vig or SK so there will be no need for a mob doc

Mob doctor is sometimes included just to fool a GS. I had the results backwards. Mob doctor is sometimes included just to fool a GS though.

Did not know that.

[ThinkBig]

No one claimed negative utility right?

You will probably disagree with me, but I view town role blockers as having more negative utility than pro town utility.

[ThinkBig]

No one claimed negative utility right?

You will probably disagree with me, but I view town role blockers as having more negative utility than pro town utility.

Fair enough. I'm just looking at balance in mind. I was thinking more ascetics or things like that.

Fair enough.

The reason I think town role blockers do more to hurt town than help town is because they are far more likely to role block town PRs or VTs than scum performing the NK.

[ThinkBig]

Can we not talk about role blockers until tomorrow?

Fair

[ThinkBig]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

This theory makes a lot of sense. AA and Alisae were opportunistic wagons for scum to push. As was the LQ wagon.

[ThinkBig]

karnos, please use the nn-existent venge-kill on me, I beg of you

. Especially as I said pressure not "claim", blatant misrepping of what I said.

Interesting exchange at the end. Devil here, and other places, seems to *know* that Karnos is lying about being vengeful.

[ThinkBig]

pointed that out earlier as what is suspect to me.

I find it weird because at least from my analysis, Karnos claiming Vengeful made no sense from scum as it's a promised lynch. I will still say it but I really fucking hate how I get caught by "too dumb to be scum" moves.

Yeah. Vengeful claim should be an automatic PL IMO.

[ThinkBig]

@Gin - I don't think Devil is at L-1

<<< This is correct. As of this post, PranaDevil is at L-2. >>>

[ThinkBig]

Yeah Devil is still at L-2. I would not object to putting him at L-1

[ThinkBig]

Here is the voting history of Garmr and Devil from D1.

Garmr

:

Alisae

==>

karnos

PranaDevil

:

Alisae-->LicketyQuickety-->All Alone-->

karnos

[ThinkBig]

Devil seems to be doing everything possible to derail the Karnos wagon until it is too late. Every single wagon he attempts to start are opportunistic lynch bait.

[ThinkBig]

I had a pretty heavy SR on him in the beginning, but it slowly became a TR. karnos' flip didn't seem to help.

[ThinkBig]

Your conclusion would also imply that my vote on All Alone was opportunistic lynch bait and I'm quite confident that he wasn't lynch bait but rather a genuine lynch candidate in my eyes given my post analysis.

There is a difference between opportunistic push from scum and genuinely seeing someone as scum and pushing them for an easy mislynch. Keep in mind I also voted AA and LQ.

[ThinkBig]

@mod I stole your page top.

<<< Oh yeah?
Well I stole your double-post, you...you...you double-poster! How do you like

that

?!? >>>

[ThinkBig]

I think we doscussed enough today. I am fine with a hammer.

In the event that I die tonight, if Devil flips scum, lynch Garmr. If he flips town, then consider Lexa/Titus

[ThinkBig]

Yeah, though that was a mini theme game, not a mini normal game. I don't think Nexus would ever approve a mini normal with 8 trackers.

[ThinkBig]

Titus can you please claim?

[ThinkBig]

Which post? Sorry I missed it.

[ThinkBig]

I believe Titus because of the AA flip.

Claim list:

1. shannon - JOAT (Jailkeeper, Doctor, Bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (Cop, gunsmith, neopolitan)
5. Titus - JOAT (Tracker, follower, motion detector)
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - VT
10. Garmr - No claim
13. PranaDevi - No claim

It seems that the town roles are all JOATs. With Shannon's jailkeeper ability, it gives me even more reason to suspect Lexa

[ThinkBig]

Scum is between Garmr/Devil/Lexa. Gamr's hard defense of Devil is worrisome to me.

[ThinkBig]

A fruit vendor makes no sense unless there is a tracker or some type of motion detector. Titus' claim checks out. Especially because there is no CC.

[ThinkBig]

A fruit vendor makes no sense unless there is a tracker or some type of motion detector. Titus' claim checks out. Especially because there is no CC.

I don't get this why does fruit vendor not make sense?

Doesn't make sense *unless* there is some type of tracker. Why? Because a fruit vendor is a visitor role that does nothing. It shows up on tracker/motion detector reports, but that's about it.

[ThinkBig]

Back to throwing insults are we?

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE: Devil
VOTE: Lexa

Lexa is pretty much confirmed scum IMO. Her claim is he only one that doesn't fit the general JOAT theme. I'd rather lynch her and have Titus try to clear the other slots

[ThinkBig]

By play how is lexa town? She blatantly lied about her role

[ThinkBig]

A town role blocker would have no reason to lie.

[ThinkBig]

By play how is lexa town? She blatantly lied about her role

Gin is handicapped when it comes to mafia he can't understand basic concept even if you explained in detail he wouldn't understand.

Look, Garmr, it is only a fucking game. No need for all these insults. All what your insults are doing is making you lose credibility.

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Garmr

I can sheep this. Garmr is only throwing out insults. You are literally acting like Karnos.

[ThinkBig]

Policy lynch

[ThinkBig]

Fuck you Garmr. You are now on my permanent blacklist. Good bye and good riddance.

[ThinkBig]

I have reported your post to the admins and to the game mod. We will wait for a flip. Honestly this is classic scum tactic 101. I really don't think you will flip town.

[ThinkBig]

I'm glad you are getting mod killed. You don't deserve to win this game with the insults and abuse that you have shown throughout this game.

P-edit: I already PM'd the mod.

[ThinkBig]

@Titus, if I were you, I would follow either Lexa or Devil tonight.

[ThinkBig]

If Garmr is town, the day will end. That's the problem. Though if Garmr is scum, this game is an automatic win for town.

[ThinkBig]

If Garmr is scum (and at this point, I'm 99% confident that he is), the scum team should just resign

[ThinkBig]

If Garmr is scum (and at this point, I'm 99% confident that he is), the scum team should just resign

He's actually probably town.

Why's that?

If he is town, then the day ends. How do we play in tomorrow's MyLo?

[ThinkBig]

IF Garmr's town, then this game really got harder for town to win. Right?

[ThinkBig]

Yeah, especially because the moderator gives a sample role PM for vanilla townies.

[ThinkBig]

If Garmr is scum (and at this point, I'm 99% confident that he is), the scum team should just resign

He's actually probably town.

Why's that?

If he is town, then the day ends. How do we play in tomorrow's MyLo?

You will be conftown. You get hammer.

Devil votes first, within 48 hours, or he gets rope.

I'm presuming I die there.

If you die instead of me, I out my result.

If I don't have a result, Lexa's scum.

Sounds good. I don't think scum would allow two confirmed townies (me and Gin) to go into MyLo tomorrow - especially as there are people still suspecting you.

I think I'm probably going to be dead tonight in all honesty.

[ThinkBig]

In one recent game in LyLo, I voted first and there was no attempt to quick hammer. I was able to conclude that he was scum and ended up PoEing the other scum with him.

[ThinkBig]

The problem with no lynching in mylo is that what information do we learn? All what it does is allow for scum to kill the other confirmed townie.

[ThinkBig]

Ah I see.

[ThinkBig]

Here is my proposal:

Titus, you follow Lexa. Lexa roleblocks Devil. This is the only way I see confirming Lexa as a roleblocker.

[ThinkBig]

1. shannon

3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
5. Titus

6. Lexa

8. ThinkBig

13. PranaDevil

If Garmr is town, then the only real scum team that is possible is Lexa/Devil

[ThinkBig]

Garmr will be flipped within the next few hours. I'm comfortable putting Shannon in my town pile.

[ThinkBig]

Why is that? If we take out shannon, we have:

1. shannon

3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
5. Titus

6. Lexa

8. ThinkBig

13. PranaDevil

Shannon/Lexa/Devil

[ThinkBig]

Why is that? If we take out shannon, we have:

1. shannon

3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
5. Titus

6. Lexa

8. ThinkBig

13. PranaDevil

Shannon/Lexa/Devil

Just their negativity towards me. I can't put my finger on it. I feel better about Lexa than Shannon, but by role power, you are likely correct Lexa is scum. I just don't KNOW Lexa is scum.

We have a pool of 3 and three obvtowns.

We force them to vote on each other first. :nod:

I understand your concern about Shannon, though I think her claim checks out. Though I'm most confident about Lexa being scum. I'm 95% sure Lexa is scum and 80% sure Shannon is town.

[ThinkBig]

Though keep in mind that negativity is NAI and does not = scum.

[ThinkBig]

Though keep in mind that negativity is NAI and does not = scum.

Yup, but it is an indicator of such.

You're smart. I like you. You'll pick this shit up quick.

I like you too. I think we will work together quite well when we hydrae.

I think I improved a ton since my disastrous first game here.

[ThinkBig]

Ok so it is MyLo. We need to be careful with our votes. Please let me hammer.

[ThinkBig]

With Garmr's flip, I'm feeling confident about Lexa/Devil as a team

[ThinkBig]

@MOD: You put a lot of hard work in this game. So sorry someone had to be a dick and tried to ruin it. Keep up the good work.

<<< <3 >>>

[ThinkBig]

Though in all reality, I think we have enough to win the game. Lexa/Devil is the only remaining possible pair that makes sense.

[ThinkBig]

1. shannon

3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
5. Titus

6. Lexa

8. ThinkBig

13. PranaDevil

I'm 80% sure Shannon is town. He claim checks out and makes sense from a town perspective. However, my paranoia comes from her throwing shades at Gin. My other paranoia is that throughout the game, I've had a fairly strong town read on Devil. What to do about that?

In this position, is it best for us to lynch or no lynch for Titus to get some results?

[ThinkBig]

I'll be waiting on input from Lexa, Prana, and Shannon before carrying on.

Fair enough. Don't mind me if I make some posts and make some theories.

[ThinkBig]

Sounds good. Hopefully we won't have to wait that long.

I actually think lynching Lexa is the best plan of action for today.

[ThinkBig]

Sounds good. Which is why you and I should be the ones to hammer. It'll be easy for scum to hide on the wagon if we lead a lynch.

[ThinkBig]

I disagree. We should absolutely lynch today

[ThinkBig]

Sorry.

/last post

[ThinkBig]

@Devil - Why don't you believe Titus' claim? Also, what do you make of AA's fruit vendor role?

[ThinkBig]

Also if there is a CC, it should be done now.

[ThinkBig]

@Devil, are you CC'ing Titus?

[ThinkBig]

@Devil: Are you counter claiming Titus??

[ThinkBig]

I will not respond to 1938 until I hear from Shannon, Lexa, and Titus.

[ThinkBig]

karnos

- 7 (

Garmr, XnadrojX, BlueBloodedToffee

, PranaDevil,

All Alone

, shannon,

ThinkBig

)

If Titus' theory is correct about Karnos being hard bussed, the only two people left that could be the bussers are Devil and shannon.

[ThinkBig]

Third Votecount

:

Alisae - 2 (PranaDevil, XnadrojX)

LicketyQuickety - 2 (karnos, Alisae)

nydushermain - 1 (All Alone)
Garmr - 1 (KTthecreeper)
XnadrojX - 1 (shannon)
All Alone - 1 (Lexa)
shannon - 1 (LicketyQuickety)
karnos - 1 (Garmr)

Not Voting - 3 (BlueBloodedToffee, nydushermain, Pepchoninga)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

_(+1/-2)

nydushermain - 1 (

Alisae

, All Alone,

karnos

)

^(+2/-2)

Alisae - 2 (

Garmr

,

LicketyQuickety

,

PranaDevil, XnadrojX

)
Garmr - 1 (KTthecreeper)

_(-1/+1)

shannon - 1 (

karnos

,

LicketyQuickety

)

⁽⁺¹⁾

XnadrojX - 1 (shannon)

⁽⁺¹⁾

All Alone - 1 (Lexa)

⁽⁺²⁾

LicketyQuickety - 2 (karnos, Alisae)

⁽⁺¹⁾

karnos - 1 (Garmr)

_(-4)

Not Voting - 3 (

shannon

, BlueBloodedToffee, nydushermain, Pepchoninga,

Lexa

,

XnadrojX

,

PranaDevil

)

Last votecount was post 50, page 3.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day One

• shannon:
  XnadroJX
  
• BlueBloodedToffee:
  
  
• nydushermain:
  
  
• LicketyQuickety:
  Alisae==>shannon
  
• Pepchoninga:
  
  
• Lexa:
  All Alone
  
• karnos:
  shannon==>nydushermain==>LicketyQuickety
  
• KTthecreeper:
  Garmr
  
• Alisae:
  nydushermain==>LicketyQuickety
  
• Garmr:
  Alisae==>karnos
  
• XnadrojX:
  Alisae
  
• All Alone:
  nydushermain
  
• PranaDevil:
  Alisae

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted D1

1. Alisae:
   4 - Garmr, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, XnadrojX
   
2. nydushermain:
   3 - Alisae, All Alone, karnos
   
3. shannon:
   2 - karnos, LicketyQuickety
   
4. LicketyQuickety:
   2 - karnos, Alisae
   
5. Garmr:
   1 - KTthecreeper
   
6. XnadrojX:
   1 - shannon
   
7. All Alone:
   1 - Lexa
   
8. karnos:
   1 - Garmr

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:28p,

Alisae

Voted

nydushermain

in post 28.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:32p,

Garmr

Voted

Alisae

in post 29.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:42p,

All Alone

Voted

nydushermain

in post 32.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:52p,

KTthecreeper

Voted

Garmr

in post 36.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:57p,

karnos

Voted

shannon

in post 38.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:19p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

Alisae

in post 46.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:31p,

PranaDevil

voted

Alisae

in post 52.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 04:43p,

XnadrojX

Voted

Alisae

in post 67.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 05:57p,

shannon

Voted

XnadrojX

in post 69.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:13p,

Lexa

Voted

All Alone

in post 73.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:28p,

karnos

Voted

nydushermain

in post 75.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:48p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

shannon

in post 80.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:08p,

karnos

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 99.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:09p,

Alisae

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 100.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:19p,

Garmr

Voted

karnos

in post 102.

[ThinkBig]

Fuck. Did not mean to quote all of that. Please ignore.

VOTE: Lexa

[ThinkBig]

If we are confident that someone is scum, we should lynch them today and not allow them to live until tomorrow's LyLo. We have two confirmed town right now which will almost certainly be reduced to one tomorrow.

[ThinkBig]

No. We have one confirmed town.

Why only one confirmed town? Gin, IMO, is as good as confirmed.

[ThinkBig]

For those who doubt Titus' claim, answer this question:

What is the purpose of All Alone's visitor role (fruit vendor) if there is no tracker?

It is my understanding of the role that the person who is visited is not informed. It is really only useful if there is a tracker/follower.

[ThinkBig]

Someone is lying and it's pointless to try and match up claims in the set up. Just go off of day play.

I agree.

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE: Lexa

[ThinkBig]

So regardless of my flip, Thinkbig is confirmed town? How can you trust a result from scum? That doesn't make sense

I don't trust your result perse. It's just pointless to ever even consider TB without going through you, as he cannot be scum without you.

You don't trust his results but you think I'm confirmed town? How does this make sense.

[ThinkBig]

So regardless of my flip, Thinkbig is confirmed town? How can you trust a result from scum? That doesn't make sense

I don't trust your result perse. It's just pointless to ever even consider TB without going through you, as he cannot be scum without you.

You don't trust his results but you think I'm confirmed town? How does this make sense.

For you to be scum, Gin must also be scum.

As I doubt town Gin is dumb enough to fake a clear.

So let's get this straight: You don't believe Gin's results per se, still think I'm confirmed town, and now say that scum!Gin wouldn't be dumb enough to fake a clear?

Honestly Titus, if this wasn't MyLo and I didn't think you were town, I'd probably be voting for you right about now.

[ThinkBig]

English is not your forte.

I said town!Gin wouldn't be dumb enough to fake a clear.
Scum!Gin might, but that still has lynching him before you anyway.

All rational roads lead to treating you

1. English isn't my first language
2. I've been up for 15 hours and am completely exhausted. Sorry if I can't read.

[ThinkBig]

The same rational roads that lead to me being town should also lead to Gin being town

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Lexa

P-edit: read my mind. Lexa needs rope.

[ThinkBig]

@Gin, I'm going to start the wagon. You finish it.

[ThinkBig]

Where is a claim contradiction except in your VT/RB claim?

[ThinkBig]

Why is this remarkable? Claim contradictions is stronger evidence than reads

I have a sweet spot for newbies.

So that's why you like me?

Pedit beat me to the punch