In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:In post 233, KainTepes wrote:because you are reluctant to reveal your answer,, and insistent on scumreading me for asking this question, and i dont think you have a good reason for trying to stop people from answering my question
I'm reluctant to assume revealing my answer does town any good
I'm not soley SRing because you ask the question, and you simplifying it as such as a way to dismiss the validity of my concerns is even more telling
my reasons are pro-town cautionary
and itseems like you're zoooming as fast as you can to get whatever you can before my CAUTIONARY influence is heeded at all (and you try to discredit my influence at the same time, of course)
people can always reveal in time to come, they can never take it back
do you see my concern?
also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
In post 274, lane0168 wrote:In post 240, Narna wrote:
I'm trying to get the ball rolling. Lane didn't really engage rvs at all, and he enters the game trying to break rvs by questioning something that didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Dreal's bit on Frank, and KT's question seem like more genuine attempts to break rvs here.
What is busy about it? You're quick on that I think. One post asking a legitimate question. Can you think of any reasons someone might accidentally pay more attention to votes on one person as opposed to another? You say I enter trying to break rvs. How well do you think town does if rvs never ends? I engaged rvs. I voted mcmenno. Then I saw something that interested me. Why don't you go look at the posts before and after my question, then tell me when rvs ended. Your accusation doesn't make sense on many levels. You might even call it busy work.
Who else is on your suspicion list that didn't really engage in rvs? Are kt and dreal on your list for trying to break rvs? Like you said I was doing?
In post 277, lane0168 wrote:I'm also noting nama calling my question busy work, but dreals questioning rvs votes on mcmenno is not mentioned.
One of them takes actual observation. One of them is about as easy as it gets
In post 281, lane0168 wrote:
Were you trying to be dramatic? Or did you hope if you put in caps like that people might think you were being jokey and not think you got what you asked for? I'm curious why you wrote it like that
In post 278, lane0168 wrote:In post 244, Narna wrote:In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:In post 233, KainTepes wrote:because you are reluctant to reveal your answer,, and insistent on scumreading me for asking this question, and i dont think you have a good reason for trying to stop people from answering my question
I'm reluctant to assume revealing my answer does town any good
I'm not soley SRing because you ask the question, and you simplifying it as such as a way to dismiss the validity of my concerns is even more telling
my reasons are pro-town cautionary
and itseems like you're zoooming as fast as you can to get whatever you can before my CAUTIONARY influence is heeded at all (and you try to discredit my influence at the same time, of course)
people can always reveal in time to come, they can never take it back
do you see my concern?
also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
If revealing shit turns out to be bad for town, it would implicate KT and I think that more likely than not, it would help solve the gamestate down the line. If revealing stuff doesn't effect the game much at all, then it may force scum into lying more. However, given the mod gave a warning about revealing your answers, I don't blame you for being cautious.
But do you get where I'm coming from?
If revealing turns out to be bad for town, how does that implicate KainTepes? Either is AI or NAI. You can't decide that after the fact, because scum or town could ask about it. The results don't determine KainTepes alignment, unless you can convince me otherwise right now.
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:I read everything that happened, and here's my takeaway. Long-ish post ahead. TL;DR to follow.
lane and Davsto are very logical players. I don't have game experience with lane but from the way he posts it's obvious. I do agree that with Narna that lane asks some very leading questions at times, but I don't find this AI in and of itself. As for Davsto, I do have some game experience and I also read the entire Donald Trump thread in GD. The two of them are clashing heavily with drealmerz because he's a very emotional player. Technically I don't have game "experience" with him but you don't even need that to conclude that drealmerz is an AtE type-of-guy. I think drealmerz position about not answering is defensible when you consider that KainTepes himself reflects on drealmerz' perspective. (Side note: I think KainTepes is Town. Even if (s)he's not, (s)he's locked himself into a softclaim revolving around the questionnaire. That should be easy to expose later on in the game.) However, I dislike drealmerz' style of dealing with pressure if he is indeed Town. He doesn't even attempt to answer some basic questions and also relies on WIFOM defenses which I absolutely detest. Enough about drealmerz, though. Of all the votes on him, I actually think Aristophanes' is the most suspicious, so IGMEOY.
My top scum-read is actually Desperado. He earned my pseudo-placeholder vote for this post:
My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.
In post 575, Azral wrote:The town ponders the use of minimalism as a narrative device in game posts.
No idea what anyone would like about that zefiend post.
In post 576, ɀefiend wrote:I noticed a few people had questions for me so I'm gonna read up now.
In post 572, Narna wrote:You kind of skirt around your Lane read here, is he off the table for you this phase?
In post 591, lane0168 wrote:In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
@ Narna
Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days
In post 591, lane0168 wrote:In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
@ Narna
Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days
In post 966, Davsto wrote:So how do you explain my vig shot in general
Not to mention why would I, as scum, shoot a survivor, who was all but destined to be lynched the next day, distracting from scum for a further day? That would be a terrible choice.
In post 1124, ɀefiend wrote:Also, Narna needs to claim.
In post 1128, FrankJaeger wrote:Figured i would die, so i protected you incase you werent lying and scum might try to be clever.
Not so clever it turns out amiright
In post 1162, Desperado wrote:so we're scum with azral? or a 2nd team? or what?
In post 1168, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 1161, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 1157, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again?
You seem pretty keen on the redirection being a thing in this specific case. Something you want to share with the class?
Whether or not this is correct, I'm pretty sure you haven't fully claimed, you definitely have some more things you haven't shared if you're making the jumps you are right now.
In post 1105, ɀefiend wrote:In post 1104, FrankJaeger wrote:Does snarkys math still add up about the "7 non town factions"?
Im not in a position to look it up
No, it doesn't. Snarky is confirmed for lying about this information and therefore scum.
Don't have a lot of time to devote to this game until tonight, so I'll give a quick rundown.
1. Investigated Narna b/c paranoid and already pretty sure KT and Azral are scum.
2. Redirected to Davsto, he's town.
3. This makes Desperado town (unless bastard game/mechanics).
4. There's no explanation for why Frank (doctor claim) is alive toDay.
VOTE: Azral is the lynch today. Snarky is always a safe lynch but there are probably more dangerous threats. Someone knows why my target got redirected but isn't coming forward (most likely scum).
In post 1175, ɀefiend wrote:In post 1173, Narna wrote:I'm suggesting that you fabricated the KT result because you will win on a mislynch regardless of whether your inno is on KT or I. What is your explanation for being redirected n2, but not n3? It doesn't make sense unless you think the scum team is weak enough to have a goon, no nk, and either a 1/2shot redirect or a passive one on myself. I simply don't believe town has a cop and a watcher with a weak ass scumteam like that. My role is semi-confirmable; we can out our own answers to the questionnaire to sort of confirm my answers. The game is also most likely bastard, and I don't see any reason why your results should be trusted at this point. You and/or Frank should be dead.
Maybe the other Mafia is a JoaT with something like Rolecop-Redirect-Strongman?
Maybe you and Davsto were swapped?
My cop ability is conditional based on answering correctly; maybe the mod thought I wouldn't be so accurate?
If the game is bastard I won't care about losing as much, so I'm treating my results as accurate and therefore Davsto, Desperado, and KT as town.
I agree that Frank should be dead IF the scumteam have any killing ability left over.
Is stuff like Godfather and Lawyer considered bastard?
Desperado wrote:narna your role being semi confirmable doesnt even make it town so who gives a shit
A couple people were expressing scumreads on me at the time, and he drops me from his strongest tr in a vague manner.In post 992, ɀefiend wrote:Narna's slowing down of obv-Town behavior is irking me too.
In post 46, xyzzy wrote:SnarkySnowman wrote:xyzzy wrote:night 3 has begun! please submit any night actions you have as promptly as possible! thanks!
Hiya! Please redirect zefiend to KT