mhsmith0's Mini Normal Review

[mhsmith0]

Traitor Endgamed if two goons die. I kinda look at this as a game where there are easy setup spec traps to fall into: scummteam shooting traitor on spec, and/or town power just destroying each other due to the same.

I'm also open to dumping the bp or fruit vendor for balance.

And yah with two groupscum and two blocking roles it's SUPER swingy on an early scum lynch, although the counter is town won't actually know that for sure.

[mhsmith0]

Also I intend to follow NAR, so rb>jk, but jk can block an rb who targets elsewhere. Bp passive so can't be b,comedy, and being jailed would block the kill before the bp takes effect.

[mhsmith0]

i think the possibility of scum fucking themselves with an NK on traitor in this setup in particular is particularly cruel

but yeah, that's probably a fair point. Functionally, the traitor tracker would be something that can out PRs and subtly signal to the scum team, or even just outright lie to get town lynched, but it's probably overly swingy and subject to issues.

What say you about a scum role cop, getting
Mafia Goon
Mafia Role Cop
Mafia Traitor

setup? Role cop then gets a nice "guilty" potential on the town roleblocker and/or jailkeeper, since it would at least LOOK like potentially scum power roles.

[mhsmith0]

Hmm, ok, I can do neapolitan.

Do you guys have a strong opinion on whether scum can act and kill? I'm leaning towards that being ok, but obviously that's a key balance consideration in this setup given a 2-man scum team plus traitor.

[mhsmith0]

Town
6 VTs
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
Fruit Vendor
1-shot BP

Scum
Mafia Goon
Mafia Role Cop
Mafia Traitor

Scum can act and kill at same time, which makes the fruit vendor much weaker than normal, but still has the potential to verify jailkeeper / roleblocker role actions, since reciipeint would not have gotten fruit (i.e. something super weak, a little +1 that isn't enough to necessarily prevent a mislynch, which in a traitor setup I think is fair).

I'm willing to mull over cutting role cop to neapolitan, but I'm concerned that scum is too underpowered, since they're in real trouble when the first non-traitor goes down given town's double blocking power.

[mhsmith0]

Just generally speaking, one good PR (jailkeeper), two decent PRs (BP, roleblocker) and one little bit extra (fruit vendor) I think is normally OP for town against a three-goon team. The setup WIFOM and potential power interference of roles is a negative for town, but turning a goon into a traitor is a big negative for scum, especially in a setup where town has primarily blocking power, and I'm inclined to think rolecop is fair compensation.

OTOH I'm on the fence of going neapolitan instead of rolecop, so at the least I'm mulling it over. Kinda want to see what everyone thinks balance-wise, since it's definitely a mechanically weird setup (which is funny given that all the roles are super normal).

[mhsmith0]

I suppose I'm also ok with cutting out both the rolecop and traitor and making it

Town
6 VTs
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
Fruit Vendor
1-shot BP

Scum
3x Mafia Goon

which I think drastically cuts down on the swing in the setup, preventing an potentially easy win for town (scum lynch d1, rb or jk n1, scum lynch d2) but also making it a bit less likely that the rb/jk combo prevents kills, especially early

[mhsmith0]

Yeah lolwillage is always a thing. The traitor/rolecop bit allows for lolwolves (since they DO kill off their own traitor sometimes), but I'm fine with a less swingy all-goon version.

I guess the next question is daychat or not. I usually prefer it, but I'm also fine with making it encryptor and 2 goons, unless the thought it it's vital for balance not to have it.

[mhsmith0]

oh wait original format was

"Daytalk on, mafia can't take a night action and kill simultaneously"

I'm fine w that. This is waht happens when I start forgetting things

[mhsmith0]

Reviewers need to check in to confirm, but I THINK that the setup in 37 is about where the reviewers will be ok with.

[mhsmith0]

I'm also fine with making daychat dependent on an encryptor (so goon/goon/encryptor) if there's a bit too much scum power in reviewrs' minds.

[mhsmith0]

So then:

Town
6 VTs
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
Fruit Vendor
1-shot BP

Scum
Encryptor
2x Mafia Goon

no day chat announcement
any objections?

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Spoiler: At least one player will receive the following role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Vanilla Townie

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Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

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Role PM's have been sent out.

It is now Pregame.

Good luck everyone!

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At least ten players have confirmed their role PM's.

It is now Day One.

Time to get busy lynching!

Good luck everyone!

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I'll throw down the role PMs after setup is approved.

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Town
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
1-shot BP
Fruit Vendor
6 VTs


Scum
Encryptor
2x Mafia Goon

Role PMs
Jailkeeper

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Town Jailkeeper

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

In addition, at night you may PM me the identity of a player you wish to jail. This ability will protect the target from one bullet on the night you use it; your target will simultaneously be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself. The use of this ability is optional; you may holster if you wish.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Town Roleblocker

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

In addition, at night you may PM me the identity of a player you wish to roleblock. This ability will prevent your target from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. The use of this ability is optional; you may holster if you wish.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

1-shot BP

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Town One-Shot Bulletproof

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

In addition, you have a 1-shot bulletproof vest. Due to this ability, the first time you are shot, you will survive the attempt. You will not be informed when this happens.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

Fruit Vendor

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Town Fruit Vendor

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

In addition, at night you may PM me the identity of a player you wish to visit. Your target will be notified that they have received fruit, but not who sent them fruit. The use of this ability is optional; you may holster if you wish.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

6x VT

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

Scum
Encryptor x1

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a treacherous

Mafia Encryptor

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to confuse town and distort truth.

You may communicate with your

{REDACTED}

each night here.

You are the Mafia Encryptor. You are skilled in hidden messages, secrete communications and encoded messages. As long as you live, you and your

{REDACTED}

will be able to communicate during the day as well as each night. Should you be killed the mafia thread will be closed each day phase.

You may also perform your factional kill each night.

Win Condition:
You win when all other factions have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment.

Goon x2

Welcome to Mini Normal xxxx! You are a treacherous

Mafia Goon

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to confuse town and distort truth.

You may communicate with your

{REDACTED}

{during the day as well as} each night here.

You may also perform your factional kill each night.

Win Condition:
You win when all other factions have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

[mhsmith0]

Yes. Part of the point is to create a balanced setup without investigative power.

[mhsmith0]

@fire: is the issue that you think it's legitimately unbalanced wtihout an investigative? Or just that you prefer games with investigatives. If the first, please clarify why the setup as proposed is unbalanced; I don't intend to have any investigative abilities in this game, but am willing to potentially make other adjustments.

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let me know if you guys want mod (spoiled) and/or dead thread (not spoiled) access btw