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Post Post #28  (isolation #0)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:20 pm

KAIN TEPES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Davsto!!! Smoke me a kipper!!

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Post Post #43  (isolation #1)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:53 pm

RIP in peace

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Post Post #49  (isolation #2)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:05 pm

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Post Post #74  (isolation #3)  » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:57 pm

KAIN TEPESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post Post #129  (isolation #4)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:22 pm

VOTE: xyzzy how bastard is that

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Post Post #178  (isolation #5)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:41 pm

VOTE: davsto
VOTE: davsto
VOTE: davsto
VOTE: davsto
VOTE: davsto

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Post Post #180  (isolation #6)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:11 pm

You never smoked me that kipper

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Post Post #334  (isolation #7)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:11 pm

I like the new avatar there KainTepes!!!!

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Post Post #390  (isolation #8)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:05 am

If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.

Lane is a good choice otherwise though.

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Post Post #440  (isolation #9)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:41 pm

How do you not have reads 18 pages in man

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Post Post #571  (isolation #10)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:43 pm

I lowkey forgot about this game. I'll post some reads / hot takes sometime tonight.

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Post Post #647  (isolation #11)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:20 pm

I'll consider mcMenno, I gotta read up a little though.

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Post Post #649  (isolation #12)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:02 pm

In post 648, Azral wrote:
In post 647, SnarkySnowman wrote:I'll consider mcMenno, I gotta read up a little though.

This is a good post.
Top 3 scum reads?

Considering you thought that was a good post, you're probably up there :roll:

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Post Post #685  (isolation #13)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:27 am

In post 682, lane0168 wrote: mod v/LA for a day or two

Sorry guys getting engaged tonight. I'll catch up and soon as possible

Did it work?

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Post Post #769  (isolation #14)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 pm

How the fuck do you have a cop guilty on me if I'm town aligned wtf

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Post Post #771  (isolation #15)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:59 pm

:facepalm: let me claim before you lynch I have generally important info that's better known than not

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Post Post #774  (isolation #16)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:05 pm

So I have a weird role, it's basically a town game-ender / lyncher. So if it's just town and one faction left, I auto-win for the town. I also got info on how many non-town factions there are, and there are 7. Scum, survivalist, SK, ???, ???, and ???, ??? (i'm filling in blanks, I don't know the ???s). I get extra game info on those factions + some hidden ability if I personally hammer davsto.

tl;dr massclaim shouldn't win the game we still have to scumhunt

And lynching for the info may be a bad idea if we have that much scum left and davsto is town :/ I don't win upon making that lynch

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Post Post #781  (isolation #17)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:20 pm

presumably 2 of the factions are gone, town is 1, we have 4 factions left. You read 7 correctly.

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Post Post #782  (isolation #18)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:20 pm

Frank if you still want to lynch me how are you town? :T

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Post Post #787  (isolation #19)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:29 pm

Except the loss of a really fucking strong town PR???????

Like sure let's put it this way, I could be 3p. If I'm 3p and you lynch me, w/e cool. If I'm what I claimed and you lynch me, oh shit. How is lynching me the least risky thing to do less than 24 hours into the day phase

And cop claim has a guilty on me. How do we know cop is sane? How do we know cop claim is town? Like why are we rushing through the day

If we're popcorn claiming by the way I want davsto next

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Post Post #793  (isolation #20)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:39 pm

In post 790, FrankJaeger wrote:Ok ur role isnt that powerful. The moment ur role comes into play, town has probably won anyway
Am i wrong?

If I'm not alive and there's one faction left, especially if that faction can kill or has nonsense roles, town hasn't probably won. And town can't auto-endgame to win if it's 1 faction A + 1 town + 1 faction B and one of the two non-town factions die.

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Post Post #803  (isolation #21)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:51 pm

you're saying it's not real because I derped and forgot town was included in those factions

excuse me if I had to reread my complicated ass role pm again

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Post Post #808  (isolation #22)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:58 pm

In post 805, Alisae wrote:Hey Frosty the Snowman.
What is black and white and red all over?

It was.... Pandamonium

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Post Post #810  (isolation #23)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:07 pm

In post 808, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 805, Alisae wrote:Hey Frosty the Snowman.
What is black and white and red all over?

It was.... Pandamonium

Coming to a theater near you.....

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Post Post #818  (isolation #24)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:30 am

Don't forget possibility of doctor / jk / busdriver / nexus / lightningrod giver / any other number of roles that could change the kill direction. I'm pretty sure I'm not BP.

Also now we have two normal roles... :?

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Post Post #824  (isolation #25)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:18 pm

I popcorn ed to you dav

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Post Post #826  (isolation #26)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:13 pm

You're being pretty stubborn, I thought this was a popcorn, I was popcorned to and then I got to choose. Plus the supposed cop unvoted me, so maybe there's more to the story than me being confscum, hmmm?

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Post Post #830  (isolation #27)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:45 pm

I dislike that claim so very very much

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Post Post #831  (isolation #28)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:45 pm

That is, unless you have an actual guilty.

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Post Post #882  (isolation #29)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:54 pm

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Post Post #967  (isolation #30)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:48 pm

Not sure I'm ready to do that. It may have been a bad play but it looked kinda like a bad town play.

Like I'm on the ropes + about to be lynched. People think I'm a 3p lyncher, and are prepared to lynch me regardless of whether the guilty is real or not. He says "it was a reaction test" and unvotes.

If he were scum paired with me, that makes no sense, because now we're both on the hot seat.

If he were scum and doesn't know my alignment, he'd be pushing for me to die.
And then when I flip town, he gets the rope because he lied and got a townie killed.

His action doesn't make sense to me from a scum perspective. I'll sit on that for a bit but probably I will not be voting zefiend

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Post Post #968  (isolation #31)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:48 pm

That was @azral 949 by the way

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Post Post #971  (isolation #32)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:37 pm

Remember how I said there are 7 factions? Not probably a fuckton of 3p, definitely. It makes sense both our info put together.

Azral, I think the claim is more believable than watcher or vig

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Post Post #973  (isolation #33)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:04 pm

>3 confirmed town and one scum left maximum

Sorry what? I get the 3 confirmed town from your perspective but what do you mean by the other part

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Post Post #976  (isolation #34)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:50 pm

I mean you assume I don't think it's ridiculous? Come on now :/ m
My guess is there are only 4 town (based on Narnas claimed info) and it's more like 4v2v2v1v1v1v1 or something silly like that. Clearly this is an extremely bastard game, do you expect it to follow normal proportions?

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Post Post #988  (isolation #35)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:52 pm

In post 986, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 980, FrankJaeger wrote:Is 2 vigs normal? Couldnt a scum just say they are a vig in this situation?

Happens all the time. This is why I have Azral as top scumread. If Davsto is Mason Vig then all other Vigs are bad guys.

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but why is Azral the bad guy and not Davsto, if there is only one vig?

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Post Post #990  (isolation #36)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:56 pm

Azral you're off your rocker

In post 987, Azral wrote:The setup is not normal. Strong odds it's not even balanced. It has a shit ton of factions, whether or not Snarky is telling us the truth, a shit ton of killing roles, weird mechanics (secret double votes, possible influence by dead players, mid-game changes at mod discretion, ???), possible (unconfirmed) lynchers. Some players have extra info.

Hi son what makes you suggest mid-game alignment changes? Have you any info relating to that, because I haven't seen any hint of that either in game nor questionnaire.

In post 987, Azral wrote:If you're lynching based on expecting this game to be normal you're gonna have a bad time. You're going to get fucking steamrolled.

Ho Ho Ha Ha

In post 987, Azral wrote:My interpretation? The setup isn't designed to be normal. It's designed to be fun (which it is) and give us all a chance to play the perfect game, where we have the roles and mechanics we all wanted, according to the questionnaire. The only exceptions are when strict adherence to the questionnaire would make things less fun.

There's symmetry here -

Mason, one or more weaker info roles
Mason Vig, one or more weaker vig roles

That symmetry makes me say, okay. I know we have a mason vig and another limited town vig. That's two. Then we have another mason and four additional info roles including a cop, watcher, and questionnaire info roles. That's SIX. And despite this number, almost none of them actually got any info last night! WTF

I'm sorry but this doesn't compute.

So, wake up already. We should either be lynching in that group OR lynching based on behavior without consideration of roles. Which might be the best idea, and from my pov still points toward the same players. (Not a coincidence.)

Okay so
1) this is not a normal game so we shouldn't make any assumptions
2) we should assume one of those isn't true and should lynch in this pool because you think so

like it's one or the other buddy

make up your mind

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Post Post #991  (isolation #37)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:56 pm

In post 989, Desperado wrote:because davsto is confirmed town

Hi please quote / link me where we know this from

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Post Post #999  (isolation #38)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:09 pm

I'm not really suspicious of KainTepes personally, I think that makes sense with his play and only seems weird because of how he worded it (NAI for him)
Frank is believable enough for now, and I already commented on why zefiend doesn't make sense as group scum
Agree that Ali is suspicious but also it's not a super useful role if half the people here can visit other people

If I were a 3p lyncher I wouldn't have claimed anything relating to being a lyncher :/ I mean I know reverse psychology is a thing but also that's not how I play

Desp / Dav can be a scumteam like Ari / McMenno are, and Dav shooting Ari doesn't check out for me as making him town. I'm okay sitting on this for the moment but I think we should address it sooner than later.

Azral claim is fine for me I guess but his logic is super flawed and is not very town at all

Narna is pretty townie to me tbh

I think that's everyone.

Based on claims alone, I'd rank it as such:

LYNCH
Ali
Azral
Davsto
Desp
KT / zefiend / frank / Narna
NOT LYNCH


Otherwise:

LYNCH
Azral / Ali
Davsto
anyone else
NOT LYNCH

Not really anyone else tho tbh

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Post Post #1000  (isolation #39)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:11 pm

In post 993, ɀefiend wrote:Snarky, Davsto and Desp are Masons with each other. I have no reason to disbelieve this because of my read on Desp. However it is possible they could be going with a ballsy claim as Cultists.

Honestly in a mass claim where scum presumably do not get fakeclaims, mason / mason vig are not bad claims for a scum team. Based on play I don't so much have an opinion on whether I believe the claim or not tbh. This all considering the fact that I have to hammer Davsto for extra info

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Post Post #1003  (isolation #40)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:13 pm

In post 998, Azral wrote:
In post 992, ɀefiend wrote:Of the informational peoples, I think KainTepes claim is the most suspicious. It's ambiguous and the net benefit to whatever alignment he's with is unrealized. I believe Frank's claim because his doccing works the same way as my copping. The next most suspicious info role would be Alisae, since a watcher with no info where literally almost everyone visited is highly unlikely. Snarky is somewhere in the middle as I believe he is a Lyncher who isn't a top priority target right now.

Yeah I actually agree with most of this except I might flip Ali and KT.
I find KT somewhat baffling.

"I don't really care to read KT I just want him gone regardless of alignment"

is how it reads to me tbh

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Post Post #1005  (isolation #41)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:15 pm

In post 1004, ɀefiend wrote:Snarky, what kind of knowledge would be so valuable that the only way to obtain it is through a Lyncher mechanic?

The roles and info of all players? har har

I don't know. It's either that or Davsto is not town and it's helpful in that it gets rid of a scum player when I lynch him :/

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Post Post #1016  (isolation #42)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:04 pm

In post 1008, Desperado wrote:i think snarky's just lying

mainly because i don't think half the playerlist prefers 3rd party, that's crazytalk

We've seen SK + 3p team + assume groupscum + town, that's 4. there could be another 3p, another town faction, and the mod to make 7. Like there are lots of ways for this to be true.

Do you think I'd make that shit up? Like I know it's ridiculous, and I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to setup stuff, I wouldn't make something like this up and expect it to be believable as a fakeclaim :T

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Post Post #1020  (isolation #43)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:53 pm

In speculating. I don't know. I just know there are 7

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Post Post #1027  (isolation #44)  » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:03 am

What davsto said, alignments don't matter beyond town / not town so much when there are a fuckton of not town. You can kind of kill spec I guess to get killing roles but how well does that work in other games?

Tldr scum hunt you whiners

VOTE: Alisae so did you claim n1 results?

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Post Post #1085  (isolation #45)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:55 pm

Results guys?

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Post Post #1093  (isolation #46)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:43 am

Okay but that doesn't sound like you're actually masons, it sounds like you made up the vig part and told him last night you planned on claiming just 1shot. My 2 cents, usually when you're on a team like masons or mafia you claim all your actions to your teammates, it's weird not to

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Post Post #1094  (isolation #47)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:45 am

Azral can live for the moment but not till night. Surprised Alisae was town. Let's see some actions.

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Post Post #1115  (isolation #48)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:56 pm

In post 1104, FrankJaeger wrote:Does snarkys math still add up about the "7 non town factions"?
Im not in a position to look it up

that was a mistake and I re-read the role PM. Pretty sure I corrected it, but to restate

it's 7 factions total

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Post Post #1116  (isolation #49)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:56 pm

In post 1104, FrankJaeger wrote:Does snarkys math still add up about the "7 non town factions"?
Im not in a position to look it up

that was a mistake and I re-read the role PM. Pretty sure I corrected it, but to restate

it's 7 factions total

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Post Post #1146  (isolation #50)  » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:36 pm

Results guys?

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Post Post #1156  (isolation #51)  » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:55 pm

In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again?

You seem pretty keen on the redirection being a thing in this specific case. Something you want to share with the class?

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Post Post #1157  (isolation #52)  » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:55 pm

In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again?

You seem pretty keen on the redirection being a thing in this specific case. Something you want to share with the class?

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Post Post #1158  (isolation #53)  » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:57 pm

Also @info of the dead playing a role, that could count as a faction... so:
1. Town
2. Mafia
3. Survivalist
4. Sk
5. Dead
6. ???
7. ???

Where the math comes out a lot better imo

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Post Post #1161  (isolation #54)  » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:08 am

In post 1157, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again?

You seem pretty keen on the redirection being a thing in this specific case. Something you want to share with the class?

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Post Post #1168  (isolation #55)  » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:20 am

In post 1161, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1157, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again?

You seem pretty keen on the redirection being a thing in this specific case. Something you want to share with the class?

Whether or not this is correct, I'm pretty sure you haven't fully claimed, you definitely have some more things you haven't shared if you're making the jumps you are right now.

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Post Post #1177  (isolation #56)  » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:01 am

Considering it's clearly multiball, being anti-scum doesn't make you town. I'm not lying about my role info as much as you guys think it's nonsense. I agree with narna, there's no way town has that much power if the scum teams are so weak, so it's not likely zefiend is town, given those factors.

VOTE: zefiend

And I'm not a fucking lyncher.

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Post Post #1181  (isolation #57)  » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:17 pm

In post 1178, ɀefiend wrote:You admitted as much.

You are a back-pocket safe lynch if Desperado/Davsto do not feel comfortable lynching Narna toDay.

If I ever get NK'd, Frank gets turbo-lynched. No worries there.

Paging Davsto and KT for input.

I said that's an aspect of my role. If I lynch davsto I don't fucking win or anything. I didn't want to put that part out there because I knew this would happen -__-

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Post Post #1184  (isolation #58)  » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:38 pm

RIP game

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Post Post #1190  (isolation #59)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:32 am

Zsfiend I hate the way you're trying to steer this, and everyone else is kinda blindly following / not actively playing. 3 things wrong here.

Additionally, I don't really believe your last night result. I think you were blocked it redirected as narna crumbed and you made up a KT result. The only possible result you've given is Davsto and he's being less and less townie as the game has gone on.

Narna / frank I think you both fall into my town bloc, please comment

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Post Post #1191  (isolation #60)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:43 am

If you're town please tell me why you're so confident the mason claim is 100% town, and why I'm a better lynch than KT for instance, or desp, or even davsto.

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Post Post #1194  (isolation #61)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:49 am

Given that
1) it's bastard
2) narna's info is correct

It could have started 5v2v2v1v1v1v0 and that makes 7 factions.

Our first mason claim turned out to be survivalists, and not town.

I don't think my guess is out of the realm

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Post Post #1202  (isolation #62)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:35 pm

A faction with 0 to start that ends with people later is called the dead. That would be amusing and also line up with Narnas info and explain my own info some.

Where are you getting 3 clears from though? I'm all for the lynch yes, but zefiend claimed 1 result on a dead person, 1 result on davsto, and one on KT. He also claimed a result on me. If he faked one, why could he not have faked another?

Either way I suspect it to be a scum slot anyway. We can lynch one of desp/dav too but I think zefiend is a good start.

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Post Post #1203  (isolation #63)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:36 pm

I NEVER FUCKING CLAIMED NOT TOWN GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD

holy fucking shit how many times do I have to say that for you to understand

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Post Post #1204  (isolation #64)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:36 pm

I DO NOT WIN IF I GET THE LYNCH I ONLY GET INFO

LIES =/= MISREADS EITHER

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Post Post #1205  (isolation #65)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:37 pm

Fuck you and your constant misrep

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Post Post #1207  (isolation #66)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:47 pm

Mason claims don't go very far in a game with already 4 dead scum and 1 dead town, yet no win. Mason is a shitty claim because
1) could just as easily be not town
2) bastard, if true, potentially might not share the same alignment (I don't think this is the case, I think they are same alignment)
3) confirming each other confirms same alignment, not town alignment
4) not a particularly powerful role either way

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Post Post #1208  (isolation #67)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Lynch zefiend. If he's town I'll fucking lynch myself tomorrow

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Post Post #1212  (isolation #68)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:43 pm

I see that but he could be lying about 1 or more result even if town given he has already done that

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Post Post #1216  (isolation #69)  » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:35 pm

In post 1214, Desperado wrote:you and narna are both pretty clearly doing whatever you can to keep other slots lynchable

You're trying to make slots that aren't yourself lynchable too. Pretty sure that's what mafia players do, regardless of alignment.

I think I've been pretty clear on my reads though. To put succinctly:

SCUM {zefiend}
SCUM POSSIBLE {Davsto Desp}
NOT SURE / NO CONTENT {KT}
TOWN {Frank Narna}

zefiend's reason for wanting me lynched is because there's a lyncher aspect in my role. He wants the easy lynch because all he has to do is say "LOL SNARKY IS 3P EZ LYNCH" and he doesn't have to do anything else to get to night, and tomorrow say "oh fuck guys snarky was town also I faked my last cop result to focus us LOL"

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Post Post #1229  (isolation #70)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:43 am

Welcome please full claim before reading, we all claimed already

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Post Post #1231  (isolation #71)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:47 am

Results please

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Post Post #1233  (isolation #72)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:48 am

Also zefiend you checked KT. What question did you have to guess and what was his answer? Infinity keep your questionairre quiet until zefiend answers.

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Post Post #1235  (isolation #73)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:51 am

Shhhhhh

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Post Post #1236  (isolation #74)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:52 am

You take the easy scum when offered. That said I'm not feeling a scum KT slot

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Post Post #1239  (isolation #75)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:58 am

Give me an O

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Post Post #1255  (isolation #76)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:18 pm

In post 1248, Infinity 324 wrote:@zefiend Why are you assuming snarky is not town

Like I said (and like desp ignored) zefiend wants me dead because "lol I'm 3p lyncher"

Zefiend has not been playing town. I want him dead. Based on your info and general consensus I understand your Narna vote but I also disagree with it.

I think it's unwise to disregard the 7 faction thing and assume there are only 1 or 2 non town left. I bet there are at least 3 scum remaining if not more.

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Post Post #1256  (isolation #77)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:19 pm

In post 1253, ɀefiend wrote:I had to answer whether KT wanted the game to start during Night or Day. I guessed Day and then got my result.


Pretty damn easy question to get right I'm sure, if you wanted to fabricate it :/

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Post Post #1257  (isolation #78)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:20 pm

I was really hoping it would be a harder to guess right question, maybe get some confirmation

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Post Post #1259  (isolation #79)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:38 pm

>if there are 7 factions I'm confirmed non town

Sorry uh how?

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Post Post #1260  (isolation #80)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:39 pm

Also, say your role is real / you are a cop. Turns out you're not sane or naive or something. Davsto is not actually town. Why can't that be a thing?

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Post Post #1262  (isolation #81)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:53 pm

For certain, we have
1. Town
2. Mafia
3. SK
4. Survivalist A
5. Survivalist B
6. ??
7. ??

My guess is dead fills one, 3p or 2nd mafia fills another, and there are outstanding 1st mafia still

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Post Post #1263  (isolation #82)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:54 pm

I have to imagine one of zefiend / masons are NOT town. Possibly (but unlikely) both are not town.

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Post Post #1264  (isolation #83)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:55 pm

Based on Azral v masons, the masons won't be 1st mafia

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Post Post #1266  (isolation #84)  » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:21 pm

They can be


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