Elemental Trinity: Endgame

[The Glitter Patrol]

Hello everyone!! We want to make our glitter extra special so we bought some extra special glow in the dark glitter. We ended up using most of it but we have a lot of basic colors still left!

COLOR LIST

If we can't see your color or if it's the mods or close to the mods pick a new glitter color pweaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

Oh and as a side effect of using all the glitter and being The Glitter Patrol it made us ascetic. But we wants to spread the glitter to everyone...Especially the scums. That'd cheer them up and make them all happy and not usurp anymore if they get enough glitter.

Who wants some glitter??

[The Glitter Patrol]

I WANT GLITTER

VOTE:

n

a

n

c

y

A rainbow of glitter in the form of a vote! <3

Blue unfortunately had to be skipped due to being the mod's colour. I hope you'll forgive me!

~Jae

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Glitter sounds fun to me
You should use Cyan
-Akarin

Noted <3

Get hammered baybee.

I'll PL you for stealing my BaeReed AND I'll PL BaeReed.
BAEREED BELONGS TO ME!
NOT YOU!
ME!
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!
-Akarin

Please don't fight, there's plenty of me to go around <3 I love you all equally!

~Jae

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4 and 14 are scumclaims

i tr nancy

ur a scumclaim

~Jae

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that hydra will be obv town or scum when math starts posting so ehh

Why not with me posting? :/ I feel like you're pretty good at reading me as town?

~Jae

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VOTE: JaeReed

PT'd Math instead of me </3

aaaaaaaaaaa all my friends want to hydra with me and I broke their hearts!!! Q____Q

I STILL CARE ABOUT YOU TOO POSTIE!! <3 <3 <3

~Jae

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that hydra will be obv town or scum when math starts posting so ehh

Why not with me posting? :/ I feel like you're pretty good at reading me as town?

~Jae

I'm pretty good at reading everyone - the same way I could read you as town in the games we had -

so yeah

how is the fact I'm good at reading people related to your lot getting obvtown when math starts posting?

Because I feel like I can obvtown just by posting too, so putting off reading my slot until Math posts seems odd. I might be reading too much into that comment though.

~Jae

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Because I feel like I can obvtown just by posting too, so putting off reading my slot until Math posts seems odd. I might be reading too much into that comment though.

~Jae

where did I say I will "putting off reading my slot until Math posts" ?

You didn't, I felt as though you saying the post would become obvtown or obvscum when Math posts was implying that you would wait to read us when Math posts. As I said, I might have read too much into it. <3

I just dont think town typically try to overdo it on joke posts. It was rather long winded. Could have been a sentence about glitter. Instead it felt like it could decay into a full blown retelling of the simarillion of glitter.

Do you think that post was entirely a joke?

Oh Peregrine.

Btw I should probably claim my passive but I feel like it could potentially out the existence of other roles so I'm not 100% sure what the correct play is.

If ascetic or miller, claim. If not idunno.

~Jae

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Nice, scum are outing themselves for us.

VOTE: Moth

Nobullying is bussing.

Talk to me about your read on Alibae? What gave you that feeling?

~Jae

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Postie is Town.

What do you believe Postie has done so far that she couldn't have done as scum?

~Jae

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D. Scum always post page 1. Great place to hide because someone always dismisses the liklihood scum would post page 1. Plus people always dismiss everything as jokes page 1 or attack someone for overanalysis.

This kinda sounds like newbtown.

~Jae

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Postie is Town.

What do you believe Postie has done so far that she couldn't have done as scum?

~Jae

why are you doubt casting?

Not doubtcasting, I want reasons for strong statements like that so I can judge if it's genuine.

~Jae

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D. Scum always post page 1. Great place to hide because someone always dismisses the liklihood scum would post page 1. Plus people always dismiss everything as jokes page 1 or attack someone for overanalysis.

This kinda sounds like newbtown.

~Jae

why aren't you letting him to answer my question about his game records?

I'm not stopping him from answering your question by stating my opinion. Sorry if I got in your way.

~Jae

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@Glitter nothing but I read 68 as Town

SR FA

So tone on 68 or something else?

~Jae

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@FA no

@Glitter /me hugs you.

Hi <3 /me hugs you.

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Not doubtcasting, I want reasons for strong statements like that so I can judge if it's genuine.

ahhh Nah You were doubtcasting

That wasn't towny way for pushing a read o.o

I didn't have a read on Postie, I wanted reasons for an early townread on someone who I think will play emotionally regardless of alignment so I could read whether nancy was genuine in her townread.

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Hi all.

Just got home from D&D.

Will read this after I sleep.

~~Math

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LOL

RC what the fuck was that lock?

...Agreed.

~~Math

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Not doubtcasting, I want reasons for strong statements like that so I can judge if it's genuine.

ahhh Nah You were doubtcasting

That wasn't towny way for pushing a read o.o

I didn't have a read on Postie, I wanted reasons for an early townread on someone who I think will play emotionally regardless of alignment so I could read whether nancy was genuine in her townread.

You *want* reasons to townread someone based on meta.

Why would that help anyone glean anything other than you?

What? I'm trying to read nancy through her read on Postie because I don't have a read on Postie.

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Not doubtcasting, I want reasons for strong statements like that so I can judge if it's genuine.

ahhh Nah You were doubtcasting

That wasn't towny way for pushing a read o.o

I didn't have a read on Postie, I wanted reasons for an early townread on someone who I think will play emotionally regardless of alignment so I could read whether nancy was genuine in her townread.

so what did you got

was she genuine with that read or not and how did you deduce that?

All unsigned posts so far have been me, Jae.

I think nancy's read is genuine. The confused and frustrated tone in Postie's 68 did seem townish to me when I first read it before I decided I needed more from her to be comfortable in a read, so nancy reading her as town for that is fine.

~Jae

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VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

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FA why you no say hi?

I has sads.

VOTE: Unvote

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FA why you no say hi?

I has sads.

VOTE: Unvote

~~Insomniac Numbers Person

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math talking?

HI

Hi still reading.

Still missing your hello Your other hello.

Maybe it got taken away by ants on picnic and will return later?

...

~~Math

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why did your hydra partner vote creature math

and why did you unvote?

We talked about our reads pregame.

I am also waiting on something I haven't seen yet.

We want Creature Transcend among others to be obvTown.

That initial vote was a way to try to find out.

However something is bugging me and I am not liking something so I unvoted to see if it would rectify.

~~Math

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FA why you no say hi?

I has sads.

VOTE: Unvote

Titus!?!?!?

I am Titus's RL sibling MathBlade. I requoted it.

~~Math (How I sign)

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why did your hydra partner vote creature math

and why did you unvote?

We talked about our reads pregame.

I am also waiting on something I haven't seen yet.

We want Creature Transcend among others to be obvTown.

That initial vote was a way to try to find out.

However something is bugging me and I am not liking something so I unvoted to see if it would rectify.

~~Math

don't buy it

Ok. You don't.

Explore your paranoia.

We are Town but I can understand caution after last game we played together.

~~Math

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You already had reads in the pre game? Huh?

Thoughts on what to look for in order to read each person, we shared meta thoughts and such.

Do you have any thoughts about the alignments of anyone?

~Jae

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You already had reads in the pre game? Huh?

Example X does this probably town.

If Y doesn't do this poke etc.

Same thing I used with RM in In Memory.

~~Math

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VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

why are you voting someone who you have no read on and you can read later?

is your empty vote helping the process?

Because I have no read on him and my vote was useless on nancy. It lets Creature know I'm waiting to read him for when he gets in, so he'll already have some pressure knowing he can't coast.

~Jae

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VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

Oh my gosh.
This is literally just habitual
meta farming. You arent even talking to anyone specific.

This ignores every other post I have made, fam. I've been talking to people and getting reads.

Care to tell me why you've ignored that?

~Jae

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201's a scumclaim right

Wrong. Thanks for playing, though.

~Jae

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Jae talk to me. Who's scum?

If I knew that I wouldn't need to put out feelers on people who hadn't posted yet.

~Jae

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@Transcend no

Poof: my TR on Postie.

With regards to your read on Postie....Why? (yes I'm going to be annoying, deal)

~Jae

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@FA: Nah I am good. Saw what I wanted to see.

~~Math

@Transcend I don't know who that is directed to but if that is me I don't have a scumread yet except maybe one I don't know how to explain.

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@Transcend I don't know who that is directed to but if that is me I don't have a scumread yet except maybe one I don't know how to explain.

errr... then why not vote it over someone who hasn't talked all game

math's reason to support your vote looks pretty forced

You're responding to Math there, fam. I didn't have a scumread at that time so I voted someone I know can obvtown when town while I went to discuss my thoughts on everyone in the hydra PT.

You're blowing this up in a way that makes me think you're not genuine at all. I know you can do better.

~Jae

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I'm still trying to tell everyone apart. Nancy's avatar is distracting.
We're quite familiar with moth (and Vecna) from off site games and moth seems pretty normal so far. I didn't really understand the wagon either.

P-edit
Also can you all just chill lol.

You need to start dropping opinions because your ISO so far is a few posts of active lurking.

~Jae

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vote stays

Cool I am going to sleep.
Do what you need to to sort me.
I think sleepiness is finally kicking in

~~Math

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Ftr FA's claim is most likely true and any doctors should be on her tonight.

Jae, why not engage with people who are in the thread and vote Creature when Creature actually posts?

I was on my way to the hydra PT to tell Math my reads and reasons for that so they knew what to look for when they read up and whether they agree. I'd already engaged people in the thread. I don't see the problem?

~Jae

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Jae how do you feel about the pace of this game so far?

How do you feel about me getting reads early?

pedit opposite of annoying! It deteriorated because the TR was basically just for 68 or whatever it was and since then his questioning has seemed disingenuous and off-topic.

peditx2 FA if that was your claim OK, I honestly don't remember you claimed a bunch of stuff and I was barely reading.

Eh, it's fastish, could do with slowing down but at least I was here for day start.

Early reads are fine. Don't have any bad feels about it, and you seem pre fluid, and able to back those up in a way I think is genuine.

~Jae

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@jae why moth is like a newbie town and not newbie scum?

and what is him having 10 wins as town effect that?

Because his ideas on how to scumhunt are atrocious lol. Like thinking scum always post on page 1 instead of it being whoever is around when thread opens.

It's possible he's scum but he just looked bad moreso than scum. His winrate doesn't mean much, probably from a site where they do things different or could be carried in most of his games.

~Jae

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@Jae why did you vote Creature and not MCMenno

You had better reasons to do that?

I'm not confident I can read mcmenno tbh. My only experience with him is in Shadowrun where he did the scumclaim and vig thing before being policy lynched. :/

~Jae

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I'm still trying to tell everyone apart. Nancy's avatar is distracting.
We're quite familiar with moth (and Vecna) from off site games and moth seems pretty normal so far. I didn't really understand the wagon either.

P-edit
Also can you all just chill lol.

You need to start dropping opinions because your ISO so far is a few posts of active lurking.

~Jae

There are two solid opinions in that post.

Looks more like dodging to me.

~Jae

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Page 1 reads
Transcend is a paranoid guy or just scum.
If Transcend town moth scum.
No way we are getting lynched I find it suspicious as fuck Transcend scumreads is after <redacted due to reasons>.

page Two reads
FA maybe buddying? Feels genuine
Postie scum maybe? Voting one head in a hydra is a good way to cause division and if mod counts it continue a wagon. Seems jokey though?
RM town unless she looked through something and found something. Then NAI.
No Bullying allowed vote feels weird. Bus? Or just differebt playstyle? AtE feels weird.
Page 3
I feel weird Nancy agrees with me.
Vote switch by Transcend is odd. Dunno why yet. Timing? It is fast. Something doesn't sit right.
Moth is blatant about <redacted>. Pushing our first post twice now when <redacted> should be obvi.

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Page 4 reads
Bad vibes on Postie for saying they won't interact with Moth wagon because it is early but then interacted with our wagon before that.
Not sure how nancy gets her 81 Postie Town from. We should ask her later Jae. See where her reads are coming from.
FA a bit suspicious for that "doubtcasting" when it is asking for clarification. Hold off though. FA always hunts differently than us so I want to see where this goes.
Moth seems full of shit on 99.

Page 5 reads
/me hugs nancy <3 You seem like a fun player
Moth needs glitter badly Spam post that is so LAMIST not even funny.
How is Transcend so bad at his reads so early? Like RM probably towntold so that maybe two Town in a row and it is after someone voted her. Only way I see RM scum is if Transcend is.
Don't like bullying here.

Page 6
Tentative TR on think big/Titus slot -- Comment about newbies is good. Can tell Titus head and ThinkBig are talking or have similar metas.
Really disliking the bullying hydra here.

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Page 7
Nancy is obvTown for that question to us. Yay <3
LUV and Postie scums maybe for that FA push.
165 horrible post from Transcend. He hunted using the talking in 1841 if memory serves need to look back at that game.
FA townread.
Buddying and Moth teammates strong possibility

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why are you townreading RM math?

A Town tell I think she has.

~~Math

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"Hold off though"

why are you saying you think something is suspicious and talk to an imaginary person about it?

I generally do not like pressuring you open of day 1. And if I do it is through not regular means. I find pushing you in a "vote" and prod with questions way only gets you angry and doesn't help me read you.

~~Math

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Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

I hunt through if X is scum then Y is town. If Y is town Z is scum.
If any of those fall apart (e.g Y is scum) then I go back and reevaluate X and Z because I had similar alignments for them.
I hunt for scum by finding possible worlds then keep narrowing them down.
Part of the reason RVS is painful.

~~Math

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why are you townreading RM math?

A Town tell I think she has.

~~Math

I have to know it.

I mentioned it somewhere. If I mention it now before something happens I can't know if RM found that post or not. I want a chance to see if RM found that post after last game or is seriously towntelling.

~~Math

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"Hold off though"

why are you saying you think something is suspicious and talk to an imaginary person about it?

I generally do not like pressuring you open of day 1. And if I do it is through not regular means. I find pushing you in a "vote" and prod with questions way only gets you angry and doesn't help me read you.

~~Math

It is doing the exact opposite for me.

Good for you. When FA shows emotion (like with Drealmerz last game) I have a harder time reading them. I play off of what seems likely and FA emotion I have a hard time reading what is likely for her. The calmer things stay the better I feel I am at reading her.

~~Math

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We cannot be neighborized.

~ThinkBig

ok that's a weird first post

Bullying is scum with moth holy cow.

~~Math

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moth you're being awfully friendly with NBA considering you're scumreading another player for doing the exact same thing they've been doing.

And Postie probably scum with them.

Postie if you're scum I has sads.

~~Math

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moth you're being awfully friendly with NBA considering you're scumreading another player for doing the exact same thing they've been doing.

Glitter and NBA are doing the exact same things?

This sounds like a groundbreaking case. Do post quotes and analysis showing the similarities. Then maybe we got 2 scum nailed to a wall.

My gut tells me its glitter and that guy who pretended hes gonna be too busy to keep up a page or two back.

Lol. This reads of fake excitement.

~~Math

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@Transcend no

Poof: my TR on Postie.

Ugh I am really scared we see the same things at the same time nancy *blush*

~~Math

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Only read the first page, transcend is right

VOTE: Glitter patrol

*lurk-mode activated for a while*

Vecna did you draw scums again?

~~Math

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moth you're being awfully friendly with NBA considering you're scumreading another player for doing the exact same thing they've been doing.

And Postie probably scum with them.

Postie if you're scum I has sads.

~~Math

So you are saying postie is talking to me openly here about a fellow scum member NBA?

Can you provide more thought on this or is it hedgey like the rest of them.

Yep. I am. Reads more like she pressures you but then doesn't do anything about it.
It is more like she noticed something that would get you scumread and brought it up in a softball way so you would have a chance to defend.

~~Math

VOTE: moth

Thanks for confirming you and MBA. Possibly Postie depending on if you use proper grammar.

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Wow. Look how defensive you just got. Is it starting to get real you might get D1'd by a newb?

I get D1 mislynched as Town all the time. The fact I have a wagon is practically a towntell.
This arrogance reads as "look at me I am trying to be so pushy"
When it provides no new reasons you scumread our slot.

You may be a newb but I think you and Postie and MBA are all scum. Because there is a 0% chance you both push that first post in the way you do if you're both Town. I don't see Town being so blatantly wrong about what the first post is.

Transcend/Vecna I waffle on I want to hear JaeReed's thoughts on them. I may be paranoid.

~~Math

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I need to sync with ThinkBig a bit, but I can say Math is probably town. I think they would benefit from slowing down and making more limited posts and just checking in with universe documentations and applying a self filter.

I am seeing some wierd relationship dynamics as well, but given a mod confirmed hood, things must be taken slower.

~Titus

Holy fuck.

Titus I townread you because "reasons".

Hope we can work together.

For now toodles. Trusting Titus.

~~Math

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Well yeah I was a bit extreme.

But on DLP where I used to play mafia I was a D1 mislynch two games in a two for shit reasons and people just said "these are my friends you sound different so we are lynching you" Part of the reason I hate townblocks. People's friends are more likely to be in them in early game. Late game sure. But early game I find them horrible.

~~Math

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Town: FA, Transcend, NBA, Uzi, Rach, Vecna, nancy

Null: yume, postie
Scum: glitter, dave

Everyone else no idea. Ask me questions and youll be worth talking to.

Rule of three Titus when you get back.
Assuming moth obvScum (duh to me)
Person didn't list 3 scumreads meaning the two they didn't list are Town and one of the null reads is aong with a town one.

~~Math

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Did list wow*

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Well yeah I was a bit extreme.

But on DLP where I used to play mafia I was a D1 mislynch two games in a two for shit reasons and people just said "these are my friends you sound different so we are lynching you" Part of the reason I hate townblocks. People's friends are more likely to be in them in early game. Late game sure. But early game I find them horrible.

~~Math

This is MS, not DLP.

People are people. Regardless of site.

~~Math

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Titus said in pregame that if you ask me anything assuming a player is scum to say she won't answer.

Noted.

Yes, I am following that. I have given Titus's reasoning multiple times.

I am a player in this hydra too. Why is everyone only concerned with her?

~ThinkBig

Titus and I have history. People probably find it odd we townread each other.

~~Math

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You seem to be the only one posting.

Dude ThinkBig said Titus head was AFK. Wtf?

~~Math

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Because my reads dont include three scumreads yet that means im lying?

To me yes.

~~Math

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Titus said in pregame that if you ask me anything assuming a player is scum to say she won't answer.

Noted.

Yes, I am following that. I have given Titus's reasoning multiple times.

I am a player in this hydra too. Why is everyone only concerned with her?

~ThinkBig

Titus and I have history. People probably find it odd we townread each other.

~~Math

Why are you answering for them? Do you independently townread those pushing you?

~ThinkBig

Answering for myself. I specifically said I townread Titus because of reasons.

Some yes. Especially FA after the picnic. My scumreads are a few posts back.

~~Math

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I care about the other stuff now. If someones resume includes dying for information D1 a lot thats a net positive. The town tell part is significantly less awkward than the going through every page and hedging every read vs another read saying bill is scum because bob smells funny.

Thats not hunting.

Like your shotgun amd attack everyone until you find an unpopular person is?

Who do you have as town?

According to Titus, Math likes buddying as scum.

~ThinkBig

What does Titus make of Math and nancy's interactions?

Titus will need to review them. They just popped in two seconds because they had a break or something. Which posts? I will be sure to flag them when we sync.

~ThinkBig

Nope you said they are AFK.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Hello everyone!! We want to make our glitter extra special so we bought some extra special glow in the dark glitter. We ended up using most of it but we have a lot of basic colors still left!

COLOR LIST

If we can't see your color or if it's the mods or close to the mods pick a new glitter color pweaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

Oh and as a side effect of using all the glitter and being The Glitter Patrol it made us ascetic. But we wants to spread the glitter to everyone...Especially the scums. That'd cheer them up and make them all happy and not usurp anymore if they get enough glitter.

Who wants some glitter??

Flag this one too ThinkBig since it gets so much controversy.

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Lol that is funny. Considering we are practically VT ATM the last thing I give two shits about is self preservation.
That egg on your face is going to be horrible
Ascum one day flip would be fabulous but I am trying feedback on how to improve my play.
Even though I strongly feel Postie/you/NBA is a thing screaming it doesn't get people to listen.

~~Math

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Lol that is funny. Considering we are practically VT ATM the last thing I give two shits about is self preservation.
That egg on your face is going to be horrible
Ascum one day flip would be fabulous but I am trying feedback on how to improve my play.
Even though I strongly feel Postie/you/NBA is a thing screaming it doesn't get people to listen.

~~Math

Reads as if Moth is town?

~ThinkBig

I don't see how he is. I would have to reread the game.

I just don't see Moth town here.

~~Math

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FA
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8601717

IMHO RM town or they read that post.
~~Math

Thanks for making me out the tell :/ Jesus.

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LUV you asked Think Big why they were the one posting. It was literally a question answered before you posted.


~~Math

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It is in the post I quoted.
Think Big said Titus was on break. Meaning they aren't now. Meaning Titus AFK.

~~Math

Moth: Maxous called me a moron and my scumhunting tactics bad and was scum. Calling me an idiot rather than attacking the argument which you have done multiple times now only serves to strengthen my scumread.

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Level of shocked does not have any relation to the level of egg.

~~Math

It literally means your shit is gonna bite you in the ass.

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I just read 173 and 174 of that topic lol ... MATH and TITUS

I love you two JC lol

Do you see RM town now?

~~Math

And moth I am not defending myself I am making a case.

Third time you have failed to interact with things.

Why are you not scum with Postie when Postie votes JaeReed which is an early wagon when she specifically calls out she hates early wagons? Furthermore she softballs a question and then lets a shitty answer get away.

~~Math

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It is in the post I quoted.
Think Big said Titus was on break. Meaning they aren't now. Meaning Titus AFK.

~~Math

Moth: Maxous called me a moron and my scumhunting tactics bad and was scum. Calling me an idiot rather than attacking the argument which you have done multiple times now only serves to strengthen my scumread.

I understand that. I just don't see how that's relevant to what I said. It seems like Titus is just talking to TB in their hydra PT and purposely not posting in here.

So you are calling ThinkBig a liar of RL shit. That is low.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

I am taking a nap.

~~Math

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math claimed scum read on nancy before that?

I don't remember it

They claimed nancy was suspicious, particularly for their TR of Postie in 81 that they needed to discuss with JaeReed. Something happened to get Math to change that read. The simplest of explanations is that nancy pulled woll on Math or that Math started tunnelling at that point in their readthrough.

~Titus

Nah. The simple answer is admittedly I have a crush on nancy TBH. *hides*
I just didn't understand how nancy townreads that post.

@Postie -- Yoo hoo?
Please explain your early vote of JaeReed saying you hate early wagons.
That was your reason for not discussing someone else.
Yet in that same post you vote a townwagon.
Why?

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Early townwagon*

~~Math

Titus I has caught the no sign bug ahhhhhh

[The Glitter Patrol]

The obvTown read comes in how they push us in that post in the 100s. It isn't a scum defense that knows we are Town it is someone that is hunting us.

Lol Titus... Saving that post for post game.

I can play mafia with LLD just fine.

I just like nancy. She seems like a rare breed.

~~Math

But I am leaving certain things for JaeReed on PT/Skype.

[The Glitter Patrol]

I have a crush on wisdom

Maybe that's why whenever I play with him ... [Redacted]

anyway more votes on postie please

I don't get your point FA.

I could vote Postie sure.

VOTE: Postie

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

ahh

That vote didn't feel good the way I was expecting town math doing it >.>

Why not? I got feedback to be more open post games.

I am taking that feedback and being better.

Postie reveals her alignment easily possibly when pushed.

I suspect Postie + moth.

A vote in either place helps me establish if my reads are right and helps my townread.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Honestly I should ignore Titus we just don't see eye to eye on a lot of things

If you don't see eye to eye why are you not trying to see if the hydra is scum?

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Nancy ive been called derpy, special and retarded so far. You are defending glitter here.

What have I said as a personal attack on glitter?

A. Their case vs me is wet garbage
B. Their reads are hedgy
C. Their play is anti town and convoluted
D. Their posts (linking us to radndom quotes from old games) is mental gymnastics.

Yep not seeing the vicious personal attacks in there. I have however been called multiple names so far.

Derp = mistake. I say that to myself. About myself. Repeatedly
Special and retarded I agree have no place. I don't do that.

I also don't say how someone hunts is inherent invalid.
I promise to never do any of those things and I can say JaeReed won't either. We had a conversation about limits before we started and personal attacks are off limits.

1) How is my case "wet garbage"? Even if the case is "wet garbage" I have caught things scum should not be caught for. You need to be Town and do Town things. I just don't see that.
2) I do if then if then all the time. My reads are always hedgy. It is also D1. I would be concerned if reads weren't hedgy.
3) Convoluted yup. Sure is. I don't deny it. My mathbrain works in mysterious ways til explained. Antitown? Explain. And even if you explain explain how it is scummy antitown.
4) That wasn't random. I was explaining a meta tell on RM.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

I have noticed the game started but it is bedtime and I will not be back for up to 18 hours due to appointments tomorrow.
7 pages during the time I was reading another high velocity game does not bode well for being able to keep up, but hopefully I'll manage.

This post is bull. He is my #2 scumread behind glitterpants.

Ooh, a newb to lecture?

I never,

ever,

lie about RL.

....That is horrible. Attacking someone for lying about RL is low.

If that is the only thing you scumread them for then you are scumreading a lurker on D1.
No way that should be worth a #2 read IMHO.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

What was the point of quoting the VC posts but saying nothing about them?

Look at the bottom of the second VC.

Mod: The post in question 250 has been edited. Can you please post its unedited version?

[The Glitter Patrol]

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Ok glitter, I've been skimming mostly, but I'm here, and I'm listening. Walk me through why postie/moth/NBA are connected ala your post 717. Also tell me why or why not creature should be included in that grouping.

I am phone posting and talking with JaeReed I am not ignoring you and I also don't want to derail the potential guilty on a scumread. They weren't as much as that trio but potential guilty comes first.

Noooooo my long streak of no hydra slips shattered

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Read Creature's ISO working backwards.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

I do. But I also asked the mod for the unedited post to verify.

Trust but verify. Seems like a super odd thing to lie about.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

I said glitter was using meta to townclear people before theyd even posted.

Only read up to here catching up after I woke, but I think you misunderstood what I was trying to do there. I wasn't saying Creature was town, I was asking him to make it known if he is when he comes online.

And I feel he did, tbh.

Like, I think you're town but your methods are really off and you should probably read a few games on here to reset your opinions of what is scummy.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

You talking to me, dave? I have played with Creature a decent bit. I'm not entirely sure what the point of that comment was, can you elaborate?

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

+1. It really reads like seeing up associatives when none currently exist.

As for the page by page, assuming hydra thing, no?

You are familiar with the way Math scumhunts.

This pings me.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

@moth: Jae does, I don't.

I am letting Jae do his thing a bit and being lurky.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Woah you suddenly townread me?

I was on the fence about you from the start.

Your posts were either town that has really wrong ideas on how to scumhunt on this site, or really bad scum.

I felt your vote on us in RVS was overjustified, which pinged me, because you could have just as easily said "This joke is overdone and pings tonally" which I would have understood a lot more because Math has a hard time in RVS but we needed to use that opening post for certain reasons. Basically, you did the same thing you were accusing us of doing. When you brought in the whole "scum post on page 1" argument it made me feel more towards the newbtown spectrum.

That said, I think Math isn't on the same page with me on that, and I think is seeing the no daychat comment from you as a scumslip where I think it's a townslip.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

You talking to me, dave? I have played with Creature a decent bit. I'm not entirely sure what the point of that comment was, can you elaborate?

~Jae

Was the 3rd sentence what you wanted to say to Creature, or was it intended for moth?

The post was intended for moth.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Wow. Look how defensive you just got. Is it starting to get real you might get D1'd by a newb?

I get D1 mislynched as Town all the time. The fact I have a wagon is practically a towntell.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Maria I want you to talk to me about this reaction considering you are exactly the same and you're also self-aware enough of this as town to make similar comments. Elaborate on what you didn't like specifically about making this comment, considering you do it yourself as town.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Uh im having a hard time keeping up with understanding how you can be voting me and actively saying im scum with postie and NBA when you arent even in agreement with *yourself* on if thats real.

At the moment I dont feel too concerned about my wagon. I always talk alot and get a ton of attention. Scum usually have 1 on me.

I still need to read up fully and sync with Math, I'm talking to them about my reasons for townreading you and why I think you and Postie are not likely to be scum together if one of you flip scum.

Short of it is I think Postie misrepped you in the early argument re: your sr on us and tr on NBA and I feel scum are less likely to misrep buddies in that way since it made you actually look bad despite there not being a solid basis behind it.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

math claimed scum read on nancy before that?

I don't remember it

They claimed nancy was suspicious, particularly for their TR of Postie in 81 that they needed to discuss with JaeReed. Something happened to get Math to change that read. The simplest of explanations is that nancy pulled woll on Math or that Math started tunnelling at that point in their readthrough.

~Titus

Nah. The simple answer is admittedly I have a crush on nancy TBH. *hides*
I just didn't understand how nancy townreads that post.

@Postie -- Yoo hoo?
Please explain your early vote of JaeReed saying you hate early wagons.
That was your reason for not discussing someone else.
Yet in that same post you vote a townwagon.
Why?

Welp, that's not a reason for a shit read. If a single question by your crush gets you to obvtown read them, maybe you should defer that read to JaeReed.

~Titus

This wouldn't help in the nancy instance. I'm also having feeling issues in reading her. I feel like that post you quoted was more meant to buddy me if it was intended to buddy anyone. I've been wary of that since the start.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

@Glitter, what's your take on the moth wagon and your wagon

I'll come back to this later. For now it's too early to VCA for me, and there are some opinions I want close to my chest for another day while I talk with Math about them.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

People always scumread me because I find unorthodox ways to catch scum. I guess. I flail. Its common to think im spammy/insane/stupid

Talk to me about this, because I feel like you're scumreading Math the same way you're claiming you always get scumread.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Titus are you around?

[The Glitter Patrol]

Okay then you both get this because I like you both.



I don't think I should say more on that.

~~Math

Jae and I still syncing on a few things.

[The Glitter Patrol]

TB Talk with me about Transcend.

Transcend doesn't seem interested in solving the game.
He just suggested a power lynch without a vote
Knows I am <redacted> and just gah. I don't like that slot and neither does Jae. Can you give it a look over?

Honestly for that post alone you deserve more facepalms ThinkBig. Like

*sigh* wtf are you both doing?

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

I object because Jae and I disagree on Moth.

~~Math

I want to let Jae hunt Moth.

[The Glitter Patrol]

Honestly if you disagree on that I would prefer NBA. They are pushing Town or die slot level reads for us and their posting is atrocious.

But Transcend knows something he does and pushing us is just horrible and I can't say what without claiming.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Would anyone object to me killing Moth? If not now, then later in the day phase?

sort of, feels more like a policy shot. I admit I could be really wrong on moth being badtown though and Math might be right.

I'd much prefer a shot in Trans, NBA tbh. They've both been super scummy. Wouldn't object to a LUV shot at this point but that's more because he's not towning it up at all and usually I can read some town motivation in his posts but here I'm getting nothing.

There's one more person I think is scum but I need more time to be sure.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

And that is why I kinda don't want to vig Moth. I want to let Jae's read come in and see if I am wrong.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Hence why you got two facepalms.

It was freaking obvious.

~~Math

Seriously crumbs. I love Titus but.....

[The Glitter Patrol]

....If you think I would let BaeReed scumread aggressiveness you don't know me at all.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

But when Jae gets back he can answer.

~~Math

Unless you don't mind a Garcia?

[The Glitter Patrol]

Would anyone object to me killing Moth? If not now, then later in the day phase?

sort of, feels more like a policy shot. I admit I could be really wrong on moth being badtown though and Math might be right.

I'd much prefer a shot in Trans, NBA tbh. They've both been super scummy. Wouldn't object to a LUV shot at this point but that's more because he's not towning it up at all and usually I can read some town motivation in his posts but here I'm getting nothing.

There's one more person I think is scum but I need more time to be sure.

~Jae

Fair enough. The advantage is if they are town, we will die instead (desperado). Thus you guys get a confirmed town and save yourselves from a mislynch in the process.

Then no please do not shoot moth under any circumstances. Shoot Transcend.

I am 100% certain on him being a scumflip at this point I am just casing him to Math in our hydra PT so they can add anything and we can hard push.

If you want the short of it:
The shadethrowing on Postie while still calling her town.
The hard tring of Vecna and Uzi when they did nothing town.
RM being obvious town and him scumreading her.
Maria also didn't drop either of her town or scumtells and he was scumreading her.
Actively campaigning for people to not read the thread at one point and just sheep him.

His rainbow reads list is bullshit, and then the way he said about leaving McMenno out not making menno his scum partner was super forced for him and I think he was trying to tie McMenno to him.

The other slot I am scumreading is FA, because she knows Math's town play and is saying after a decent time of seeing Math post that our slot is scummy when this is 100% how Math plays as town and she should know that. There's also the fact that she's not townreading RM when RM is blatant town here. Her posts look more designed to cut out people from correctly townreading other town than to hunt scum.

In either case townfirming one of those or getting rid of one of those as scum will blow this game open. Please consider that. moth has already shown that he doesn't really know how to scumhunt on MS, so townfirming him if he's town is bad when we have much stronger scumhunters, and moth could always just be an investigation or PL if that's the case. Trading you & Titus for moth if he's town is NOT a good trade. Shoot for someone who is scummy but if town is worth your death to confirm.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Hi nancy.
BaeReed talk to me about your SR on me. Cuz it just sounds like you SR me for being aggressive.
-Akarin

No, I scumread you because you're being blatant scum right now.

You know RM is obvtown.
You know I am obvtown.
You know Math is obvtown.
You know Titus is obvtown.

You're shooting yourself in the foot and your play isn't coming across as bad here like it usually does. The key difference is I can tell you don't believe in any of what you're pushing, therefore you're scum.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

In either case townfirming one of those or getting rid of one of those as scum will blow this game open. Please consider that. moth has already shown that he doesn't really know how to scumhunt on MS, so townfirming him if he's town is bad when we have much stronger scumhunters, and moth could always just be an investigation or PL if that's the case. Trading you & Titus for moth if he's town is NOT a good trade. Shoot for someone who is scummy but if town is worth your death to confirm.

Agreed, which is why I have no problem using my shot on transcend.

Also, I feel the Glitter wagon is opportunistic. If Glitter flips town, then you are almost certainly going to find scum on it.

I'm gonna lay this out there: You're one of my strongest townreads, so you dying by desperado is not useful to me unless it townfirms someone I'm heavily scumreading who I also trust in the ability of to scumhunt.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Alisae is hard to read. He has no scum game to compare it to, yet every game I have played him in he acts like lynch bait and scummy.

It's more a feeling I'm getting. Usually his reaction tests and pushes and flip flops all feel like flailing town. Usually he feels like he's trying to solve the game and just struggling or thinks he has the game solved and his push seems excited. I'm not getting that feeling here.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

They're not good shots because if they're town you're townfirming people who clearly aren't gamesolving. Uzi is trying to make you die a worthless death and is probably scum.

TB I have something to pass on to Titus I'm writing the post now.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

LUV and NBA probably buddies.

JaeReed is posting our case of Awesome part 2 in a bit.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

This is not town!Transcend.

He's not shit at reading me and he knows he's fucked because I can read him.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

This is going to be legend.....

Wait for it

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

See ya ThinkBig!!! Titus you will hopefully see why momentarily.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Oh she will scumread him.

After BaeReed does their post of Awesome I am explaining a lot of the "sketchy" posts we have.

And if anyone scumreads us after that I will laugh hysterically.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Titus, I got the ok from Math to out this.
We chose the dark path, and it was a mass neighbourize of everyone who joined the dark path if they decided to opt in to the neighbourhood.
So we are in a neighbourhood with others who chose the dark path. Both Transcend and FA are in there with us.
FA posted exclusively in the main thread until Math's prod to FA about the other hello that they wanted (meaning please join and post in the neighbourhood).
Prior to FA posting in the dark neighbourhood she claimed in this thread to be a self-watcher tracker.
When FA posted in the dark neighbourhood she claimed to be in a hood with someone else as well.
When FA posted again about her claim in this thread she included self-watcher tracker in a neighbourhood.

My knowledge of the setup and how it was done is that we each got one passive ability and could choose ONE of the three abilities (light/dark/whatever the third was).
Which means FA had to have chosen dark. There is no way she can be all of a tracker, self-watcher, and be in another neighbourhood due to her abilities.
I believe FA has botched her fake claim that she was trying to set up.

Transcend was in the hood and saw all this as it was happening and

did not even poke FA for it

.

I want to shoot Transcend, lynch FA.

VOTE:

F

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~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

....ary.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Hello everyone!! We want to make our glitter extra special so we bought some extra special glow in the dark glitter. We ended up using most of it but we have a lot of basic colors still left!

COLOR LIST

If we can't see your color or if it's the mods or close to the mods pick a new glitter color pweaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

Oh and as a side effect of using all the glitter and being The Glitter Patrol it made us ascetic. But we wants to spread the glitter to everyone...Especially the scums. That'd cheer them up and make them all happy and not usurp anymore if they get enough glitter.

Who wants some glitter??

First post.

We claim dark.
We claim ascetic.
Open invitation.

Boom Crumb JaeReed and I discussed.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

FA why you no say hi?

I has sads.

VOTE: Unvote

Asking FA why she didn't post in the hood.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

math talking?

HI

Hi still reading.

Still missing your hello Your other hello.

Maybe it got taken away by ants on picnic and will return later?

...

~~Math

Asking if she had some reason for delay in not posting.

The unvote was a threat to FA to post in the hood.

I townread hydra because of neighborhood proof claim.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

...Okay Titus but I scumread Transcend so fucking hard right now.

~~Math

We're essentially VT now.

No harm in claiming.

[The Glitter Patrol]

FA why you no say hi?

I has sads.

VOTE: Unvote

Asking FA why she didn't post in the hood.

~~Math

I believe your facts. Deal with this in your hood. I do not agree with your conclusion.

My passive explains why.

~Titus

There's more though, Titus.

Why would Transcend

ignore

that when for all purposes it looks like a blatant scumclaim? Even if FA is town Transcend is not because that shows he was clearly afraid to push on her for it there, and he instead decided to push us.

He has been selectively ignoring things and pushing stuff without thinking about motivation at all, and blatantly buddying and trying to drop associative tells with others (the mcmenno comment for one, which I think if Trans!scum mcmenno!town).

And also why wouldn't FA join the dark neighbourhood from the start unless she didn't want more chances to scumhunt/out herself as scum?

[The Glitter Patrol]

There's more though, Titus.

Why would Transcend ignore that when for all purposes it looks like a blatant scumclaim? Even if FA is town Transcend is not because that shows he was clearly afraid to push on her for it there, and he instead decided to push us.

He has been selectively ignoring things and pushing stuff without thinking about motivation at all, and blatantly buddying and trying to drop associative tells with others (the mcmenno comment for one, which I think if Trans!scum mcmenno!town).

And also why wouldn't FA join the dark neighbourhood from the start unless she didn't want more chances to scumhunt/out herself as scum?

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

...Okay Titus but I scumread Transcend so fucking hard right now.

~~Math

We're essentially VT now.

No harm in claiming.

You always get in shitfights with town. *shrug*

You Transcend and FA are all town. Sort your shit.

Don't do this, Titus. Please don't.

I can't articulate my case on Transcend as clearly as I want to but I

know

he's scum. This is by his play. Please at least take a proper look at him instead of handwaving us all as town.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

And also why wouldn't FA join the dark neighbourhood from the start unless

she didn't want more chances to scumhunt/out herself as scum

?

Why would ANYONE in their right mind out themselves as scum?
-Akarin

I'm saying it's a lot harder to keep up appearances when you're constantly being expected to hunt in a hood as well as in the main thread. It forced Math to make mistakes in Shadowrun and scum are more likely to not want to have to put themselves out there that much, which is likely why she didn't immediately join the hood.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

Btw vot are bluffing a gun

They crumbed it in the Russian Roulette post.

Please die or be townfirmed.

K thanks!

Nice RNG of names btw.

In 1841 you had reasons.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

That is why I have them facepalms.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

It's not a scumclaim. It's just not.

Maybe I will look at the McMenno comment but this role theory is crap. There has to be a neighborizer not based in color joining or our passive is stupid.

Except if it's a neighborizer they neighborized her upon getting their roles because she claimed to already be in a hood with someone when she joined our hood.

I'm saying I think she lied about her role. In any case there's no excuse for Transcend to have zero warning signs go up after that at all. He's not scumhunting.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

I am so looking forward to a game where Titus and I agree on things. <3

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

1019 to 1027 looks like

"Whelp I am fucked. How many people can I say are scum before TB convinces Titus to pull the trigger and then reads become useless."

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

1019 to 1027 looks like

"Whelp I am fucked. How many people can I say are scum before TB convinces Titus to pull the trigger and then reads become useless."

~~Math

++++++

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

VOTE: Transcend

If you're not dying or being townfirmed then I want you lynched.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

VOTE: The Glitter Patrol
BaeReed I love you but can I have my fucking sanity back, thanks.
-Akarin

This is what a chainsaw looks like. Remember this for when you're town, Alisae.

Look back at this and go "wowie I sure was a scumfuck!"

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

VOTE: Transcend

If you're not dying or being townfirmed then I want you lynched.

~Jae

Lol look at that shade Jae.



Desperado is a townfirmable role so they come after us.

We'll sort this out in the hood with FA Titus.

I hope you can keep a Transcend shot in mind.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

Gmta Titus/TB JaeReed has another present for you they have been working on.

~~Math

[The Glitter Patrol]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68870
This is more scum!Transcend meta.

I tried making a case since Titus might do better with that, but I'm actually really bad at casing so bear with me here.

~Jae

[The Glitter Patrol]

There's a lot of quotes and commenting on things here so I spoilered it.

Spoiler:

why do you question it

i tr uzi vert

if its a bad wagon why are you on it

Shadethrowing Postie questioning an obviously bad bandwagon on moth for something that could very well be bad town over scum, second one mildly forgivable because there was an error in the post count but I feel like with how current the thread was being most of us kinda picked up on that so... Why didn't he? Feels like he's just looking for shit to fling.

TR'ing Uzi at this point is gross. Uzi did nothing town.

uzi vert top tr

VOTE: rachmarie

uzi vert is my only tr now

k postie still town

Uzi still did nothing town. This looks like he's trying to pocket him or hard tr a buddy. Still not sure which it is at this point, but this read does not come from town genuinely trying to pick up reads.
RM's posting wasn't scummy.
Uzi's posting still wasn't townie in the slightest.
Postie's posts got progressively worse, and he tr her for it. Lol.

VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

VOTE: glitter

201's a scumclaim right

201's a scumclaim right

Is it the lack of commenting on anything game-relevant? Or what are you seeing?

out of all people he could vote he votes creature again, looks pretty dumb

1) Never voted Creature to start, so not "again" but that's semantics and meh.
2) How is wanting to move my vote from someone I townread onto someone I don't have a read on at all scum motivated in the slightest? It's letting Creature know when I get into the thread that I want him to town it up if he's town, and pressuring him if he's scum because he knows I'm paying attention to him when he does get here.

Transcend is not looking for motivation. He's looking for what he can say looks, in his own words, "pretty dumb". Transcend is also fully aware that dumb /= scum. This is him jumping on an easy push. Town!Transcend does not do this.

why did your hydra partner vote creature math

and why did you unvote?

We talked about our reads pregame.

I am also waiting on something I haven't seen yet.

We want Creature Transcend among others to be obvTown.

That initial vote was a way to try to find out.

However something is bugging me and I am not liking something so I unvoted to see if it would rectify.

~~Math

don't buy it

Absent dismissal instead of discussing what his issue is or how the vote on Creature showed even an iota of scum motivation.

why did your hydra partner vote creature math

and why did you unvote?

We talked about our reads pregame.

I am also waiting on something I haven't seen yet.

We want Creature Transcend among others to be obvTown.

That initial vote was a way to try to find out.

However something is bugging me and I am not liking something so I unvoted to see if it would rectify.

~~Math

don't buy it

Ok. You don't.

Explore your paranoia.

We are Town but I can understand caution after last game we played together.

~~Math

how about instead of telling me to townread you, you tell me who to fos

See above. This is not someone trying to sort us, this is someone wanting an easy lynch, and he doesn't care whether it's us or someone else. If we came back with a buddy he could just stay with us, and if we made a case on another town he could flip off us and save us for a later mislynch after the flip. This is not a town motivated post.

you mean we're 11 pages in and NEITHER of you have any semblance of a scumread?

After like 5 people posting anything of value?

@Transcend I don't know who that is directed to but if that is me I don't have a scumread yet except maybe one I don't know how to explain.

errr... then why not vote it over someone who hasn't talked all game

math's reason to support your vote looks pretty forced

Didn't even read that it was Math who wrote that, compared to me who made the vote on Creature when Math wasn't here yet.

vote stays

Only response after I explain everything in a way that I feel was actually quite clear. Looks like empty justification.

vecna and uzi vert are my top 2 trs

but then again i horribly misread vecna but w/e

Vecna literally came in, read page one and said he agreed with Trans and voted us. There's nothing AI in that, it's just lazy. This is another "is this buddying or a partner?" ping for me. Especially with the way he tried to dismiss that read immediately after.

not sure i like that kneejerk omgus from postie

Postie shadethrowing. If Transcend scum then Postie might be town for this, because throwing this kind of subtle discrediting shade feels more like feeling out a mislynch rather than distancing. Math disagrees with me here though.

no I want to know why you think me asking nancy about her read on you was indicating me fosing you

that was a bit reachy

sry

Potential partner interaction. If scum don't have daytalk this is a huge red flag. If they do then FA was fine here. Transcend being concerned over her potentially fosing him was 500 shades of bad though.

1. don't. save yourself the aneurysm

2. go ahead

Transcend telling someone to not read the thread and see how bullshit his stances and pushes have been so they're more likely to just sheep him.

I want to lynch half the playerlist right now.

it's bad but she's town

am i part of that half

Concerned about being scumread, more shadethrowing while calling her town.

wow i wasn't kidding mariar has a scum role

pedit: i didnt' 180 i just didn't like one your vote on whateverthefuckthatguywasiforgot

Nope, maria hadn't dropped either of her tells yet.

no idea but she's prob a go wit the flow girl lol

Really noncommital reasoning for tring nancy.

{uzi vert, vecna}

{fa, nancy, nba}

{moth, postie, tip, vot}

{creature, dave, kfc, pv, yume}

{mariar, rach}

{glitter}

pedit: i do agree with mariar on the 200 post gap she was at red but now she's orange when i edited this lol

This is 100% a scumclaim. Transcend's reads when he's scum are bad and these are notably so. RM is town. We're town. Uzi and Vecna being the top tier is bullshit too.

When Trans bullshits his reads like this outside of the first 5 pages it's a very fucking strong scumtell for him.

oops menno in yellow i swear he's not my scumpartner that i left out

Trying to tie himself to mcmenno for in case he flips.

i mean i'm starting to see scum!her but not enough to throw a vote there yannoe??

Noncommital, posturing.

Uzi Vert has graced his vote on this glorious bandwagon. I can die happy.

Blatant fucking buddying.

~Jae

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Could you link a scum game of yours Jae?

Gladly.
http://pnewman.net/shelter/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34382 - First time ever drawing scum, was a marathon bastard so... meh.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68764 - I had to replace out of this earlyish but there's some early game in there.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209 - I was Ruko head of the BATORU hydra, replaced in lylo.

~Jae

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Uzi Vert is town if he's scum I'll stick my foot in the toaster.

http://quotegeek.com/television-quotes/fargo-tv/10790/

Gift for you Transcend.

~~Math

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Who is TGA? Is that a typo for us?

Serious question.

~~Math

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Right so if all you guys are gonna do is link scum games of mine and meta dump me to support your case should i post random town games of mine?

Lol

Lol

This is more scumposting from Transcend, he is trying whatever he can to discredit my case on him and get people to not bother to look at it by claiming it's all meta.

This is not the case. PLEASE read what I have there and make your own opinions on it.

~Jae

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Could you link a scum game of yours Jae?

Gladly.
http://pnewman.net/shelter/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34382 - First time ever drawing scum, was a marathon bastard so... meh.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68764 - I had to replace out of this earlyish but there's some early game in there.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209 - I was Ruko head of the BATORU hydra, replaced in lylo.

~Jae

I has sads.

No one asked for mine.

*sniff*

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@Jae: Why hasn't my posting been town? I don't think you can read me well.

Whenever I've played with you as town I've at least had some semblance of being able to look at your posts and opinions and the stuff before it and come to the conclusion that you're thinking about things and trying to work through things and sorting people.

Yes, I have mislynched you in like every game, that's why I'm not actively pushing for your lynch here. But you have not been town enough to be Transcend's top townread. If you're town he's pocketing you.

~Jae

pedit - I gave 3 because I only have three and I feel like no matter which one of those I gave you'd dismiss it. "But you were in a bastard marathon" "But you replaced D1" "But you were in a hydra" so I provided all three for a rounded view.

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Yeah okay, these responses have sealed it.

Trans/LUV/NBA all need rope.

~Jae

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Yeah okay, these responses have sealed it.

Trans/LUV/NBA all need rope.

~Jae

Couldn't agree more.

~~Math

Hydra dissonance dispelled!

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I'm stepping out. I nearly got mad at scum for discrediting me when it's literally their only course of action now lol.

~Jae

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"All 3 people voting me need rope" - JaeReed

Gee Transcend.

Didn't know you spelled your username Shade.

Might wanna get to work on the alt

~~Math

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"All 3 people voting me need rope" - JaeReed

It must really get to you how I obvtown when I'm town, huh?

Like, not being able to mislynch me must really bother you when I'm scumreading you.

And I know it does, because every time I've correctly scumread you when you've been scum you've either called me scum or shit tier. As town you've at least acknowledged I'm town when I've presented my reasoning for my reads.

I've put my case out. You're scared of others who are better at pushing and articulating reading it and realizing I do have a point.

~Jae

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Hey glitter, if I help you lynch trans today will you lynch postie with me tomorrow?

I don't like planning lynches. I hard townread you. I scumread Postie. Jae has their opinion.

~~Math

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Stop casing Transcend. We are not shooting him tonight.

You are already pressuring us to shoot in order to save you because you both are already fighting everyone who doesn't play like you.

Just stop. If you want to do anything, towncase people.

~Titus

Going to start towncasing. TD first.

~~Math

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List posts, come from scum, seriously? That's the best you've got?

Not "Why are you scumreading me?"
Or "Explain your read."
Or like, something dismissive or antagonistic or something???
Seriously like, my post on you was the weakest bullshit ever I sad I "Hate everything," and you "Make my teeth itch."
And your response is *deherpadederpenstein* lists posts are bad....
Ok, I mean read confirmed, but that is some weak-ass shit.

And transcend, don't think you are getting off that easy, prior to his omgus post why did you think postie was town?

No way TD posts like this without a genuine scumread on Postie.

~~Math

More incoming phone posting.

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So-Many-Pages

Ok, stream of consciousness style post incoming.

Nancy, how in the fuck can you agree with the scum I caught and be calling me a newb? Your post #324 bothers me . I get that you retract it later but what is the thought process

Transcend, stop avoiding me dammit. Explain your post 198, please, before I get grumbley at you.

As of 393 I like mariar for town.

398 and 399, oh my goodness. Yes, that list makes no sense, and I enjoy frozen’s calling it out.

408 and 409, seriously puppy, you bugging me now….

PV appears to be posting more than once every month or so, so he is probably town. I mean, they’re not like, useful posts, but they’re posts, and it’s PV so….

Is anyone else seeing 481/482 as a scumslip?

Hey, titus, is creature is scum does it make sense to you that moth is too? Because I can kinda see that, though moth feels more likely to just be newbtown to me, ya’ know?

Creature, please explain post#525, i.e, why is mariar scum?

Rach-Marie’s Dave vote is a little weird, I got nothin’ on the guy right now, but willing to let it slide for now. Also I like her #560, questioning good reads on yourself is inherently a town thing. I know it’s kinda wifomy cause obviously scum know that and do it for the town-ness of it, but I still like it as a town thing.

@NBA’s 599, no, no it does not make any sense at all, and that was the entire-frigging-point, have some town points, but also go read more.

Town
Frozen Angel
Mariar
NBA

Scum
Postie
Transcend
Creature>(Maybe moth?)
Nancy???<Low level read

Unprovoked reads on 3/4s of the game (approximately) I disagree with the NBA read pretty hard core but these are hard concrete stances.

~~Math

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Furthermore as scum why would I out I saw (well BaeReed saw it first) to her? Like cmon :/

There's stretching and then there is just desperate.

~~Math

Sorry back to Town casing.

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So what? I give reads as scum.

Just forget it. I am tired and need to sync with TB.

Okay

~~Math

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Math is resetting.

I think LUV is a good compromise but would really like Transcend.

~Jae

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BaeReed your thoughts on the sudden votes that appeared on KFC?
-Akarin

He was an early nullscum read due to what I perceived as active lurking. Not an awful choice, but not a good one either considering how fast the thread can move can put people off-track regardless of alignment I think.

A lynch of KFC tells us nothing given his lack of stances and others lack of stances on him. At this stage I really need something better than a lurker lynch. Something that gives me a hard insight as to the alignments of yourself, Trans, LUV, nancy. The hardest and most reliable method to that is knowing Transcend's alignment. If he's town and not pocketing LUV then he likely has a good read there since I respect his ability to read lynchbait.

~Jae

pedit - his recent post was ok, kinda beetlejuicey tho

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MY GOD ALIBAE I JUST GOT IT MY B

~Jae

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Titus your desprado won't go through if you shoot town yes?

shoot me an confirm me as town

As I said in the hood.
They die if they shoot town.

~~Math

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@the other person in "Banter"

if in next 6 hours - you hesitate to full claim in our thread I will out you an will lea a lynch on you.

@math how the fuck did you miss my banter explanation in hood an why idn't you recheck my claim to validate it

Because we don't trust it.

We have 1 power active making the hood you didn't post in til I poked you.
We have 1 inactive ascetic.

You having a separate hood from that in which neither person triggers is hella suspicious. Like wtf.

~~Math

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If possible I need post time stamps from FA and TGP on the post where you say that desp shot kills if targeted Town and any subsequent PT responses prior to 7:13 am UTC.

If it was legal I would provide it.

However I think it is a site rule against it.

~~Math

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@nancy FA is town. Move vote.

@Titus I still don't like Transcend, please read my case when you have the time?

@FA 1082 could you please read this? I think Trans is scum.

~Jae

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On second thoughts, I think I won't lose any sleep over a nancy lynch now.
-Akarin

Because I don't know a forum rule about quoting time stamps?

Because you voted FA after FA did something really townie that Alibae and I were both looking for.

~Jae

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On second thoughts, I think I won't lose any sleep over a nancy lynch now.
-Akarin

Because I don't know a forum rule about quoting time stamps?

Honestly I still scumread NBA and think there is 1008 hypocrites and what NBA did is literally NAI.

Sooo applause for trying. But nancy is a townread even in the middle of my Titus requested reset.

~~Math

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What did they do that was really townie?

Calmly ask questions and think about things and work it out. scum!FA would have tunneled here I think.

~Jae

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Calmly I am not sure I agree with.

~~Math
Ask questions yes.

I find this still suspicious. Something weird is going on. I want to know what Jae townreads FA but this extra hood is suspicious.

~~Math

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I am a them please.

~~Math

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@FA Sorry I should say pretending to be ignorant, not dumb.

ignorant?

oh is it ignorant to be aske for getting shot by a desperado?

normal desperado will live if shooting town.

It's the other way around isn't it? Desperado only lives if they shoot scum? Otherwise shooting town they die?

~Jae

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ado_(Role)

Not on MS they won't.

I put the wiki in the hood.

~~Math



*sigh*

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A desperado that shoots Town dies instead.
A desperado that shoots scum lives desperado dies.

~~Math

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Lol if a mod gives scum desperado that would be hilarious. Like lol.

Now my question is and was

With this banter ability: You didn't make it. Rach Marie didn't make it.
Then there is a scum neighborizer or one of the two of you are a liar.

~~Math

This is what I want to know.
If you made it you have too many abilities.
If Rach made it then they would be lying to you.
If neither did then someone chose to put you two together pregame. Why?

~~Math

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):

Agreed.

~~Math

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Again.

That doesn't make sense.

If neither of you made it. A scum neighborizer probably did.

~~Math

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I will stay in game if you explicitly ask me to just becaue I on't want it to be look like AI

I talked with RC an he permitted this

I only want you to stay if you will have fun.

~~Math

I don't believe in forcing someone to do something.

Up to you.

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I will stay in game if you explicitly ask me to just becaue I on't want it to be look like AI

I talked with RC an he permitted this

Please stay if you want to?

~Jae

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I understand you are passionate about not making it. I just am trying to get to root cause here. If it isn't you then it is RM or someone else.

Someone neighborizing and listening in is scary. Someone neighborizing others and possibly lying about it is scary.

I only want the truth.

~~Math

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@Jae talk to me about math mindset >.>

We both believe that banter neighbourhood exists and has done since the game started.

I believe that someone, either RM or someone else, put you and RM in a hood for some reason. If scum did it I can't see a reason without RM being scum to try to buddy you. If town did it was probably for you to sort RM.

Math believes that someone, either RM or scum, put you and RM in a hood for some reason, and if scum did it they were probably watching but can't talk in it.

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Yes, I am talking to Math about it. I was silly to think you would mess up that bad since you're good at scum, sorry. This is my fault :/

~Jae

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That wasn't the impression on I got.

It seemed like to me you were claiming too many abilities.

It is also good that it is out in the open because we can find a hidden neighborizer who spies on people.i don't see Town taking that or there is a liar.

However I do struggle at reading between lines.it could be I missed that.

~~Math

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@Jae talk to me about math mindset >.>

We both believe that banter neighbourhood exists and has done since the game started.

I believe that someone, either RM or someone else, put you and RM in a hood for some reason. If scum did it I can't see a reason without RM being scum to try to buddy you. If town did it was probably for you to sort RM.

Math believes that someone, either RM or scum, put you and RM in a hood for some reason, and if scum did it they were probably watching but can't talk in it.

Why is RM town to you two?

Why math is like the "if" is 100% scum?

an why you two are refusing to answer these questions?

RM is town to me because she isn't fluffing as badly as she did In Memory. She's actually poking at people and it just feels different.

I'm trying to find out the answer to that.

I'm not refusing to answer, I just don't understand that it's a question or missed the question is all.

~Jae

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@Jae talk to me about math mindset >.>

We both believe that banter neighbourhood exists and has done since the game started.

I believe that someone, either RM or someone else, put you and RM in a hood for some reason. If scum did it I can't see a reason without RM being scum to try to buddy you. If town did it was probably for you to sort RM.

Math believes that someone, either RM or scum, put you and RM in a hood for some reason, and if scum did it they were probably watching but can't talk in it.

Why is RM town to you two?

Why math is like the "if" is 100% scum?

an why you two are refusing to answer these questions?

RM is Town because of the meta tell I posted before. I did not refuse I answered it earlier. I can cite the post if needed.

I don't understand the second question.

~~Math

Repeating something over and over doesn't make something true.
Scum claim they are Town all the time.
I just want answers for that hood.

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No more questions, I am talking with Math. We will get on the same page with what I think you are saying because they have a hard time reading emotional responses.

Your issue is that if Math believes that scum had something to do with banter neighbourhood then RM should be checked because that's the only scum motivation you can see is to try to buddy you?

~Jae

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Mod explicity sai in first post me and rachmarie are allowed to talk in the banter topic

The most logical thing is that rach lied about being involved about neighbourhood

or there is something weird mechanical happening regarding neighbourhoods because of the neighbourhoo proof thingi spesciaally

I beleive math is not saying this is "if it was initiated by scum" they are talking like its "It is initiate by scum" and I want to know why they think that

That I can do.

We had a choice of three powers.

For the power to be Town they would have to choose the creepy power that neighborizes two people at the start of the game without their knowledge. Over a Not creepy power. We have three choices.

If we didn't have choices then that might be Town.
And no one tried as far as I can tell to reach out and claim it.

~~Math

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Okay.

Math took it for granted at the time they were saying that that someone could definitely spy on the hood like zefiend was doing In Memory. They were saying no townie would take a creepy spy on neighbourhood neighbourizer ability so it had to be scum.

I explained to them that it wasn't confirmed that anyone else was even able to see in the neighbourhood you have, and it could just be like the ability they had in In Memory. They believe that out of three abilities it would be weak to choose that over anything else. My counter to that is they might not have had better abilities to choose like we had the mass neighbourize being the clear choice.

I will try to get more in sync with Math on this.

~Jae

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It wasn't a public information before today

why it can't be a town architect? why it can't be in no one's role pm?

You said it isn't yours.
You said it isn't RMs.

If I trust you on those two things then someone else has it as a part of theirs.

Someone else who never tried to handshake with you.
Someone else who would have to hope and pray they didn't hit scum at the start of the game.

Or that someone is scum who can listen in

~~Math

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With in memories it is distinctly different because it was a night action and we could guess who Town was with information.

There is no such guess here.

~~Math

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Why are you townreaing rach enough to not even question them - but you are questinong me who actually is the one who outed this first and was trying to unertan the source herself?

peitd : I said thats what she claimed not that I know its truth

WHY SHOULD IT BE SCUM architect

town architect is actually a really powerful town utility

I am TOO leaning that scum is involved in this because of knowing titus hydra being obv town

Thats why I was questioning it myself!

But its not confirmation even in slightest that its a scum utility or rach was truthful about it to me before

Math feels as though a town architect would have hinted to you already and that if not compulsive they would have been too worried about neighborizing scum and not done it from the start, I think.

We just think RM is town due to meta. We understand it's not a guarantee that she is town or that she didn't lie.

I think we should just wait on more talk of the banter until everyone posts and either someone claims it or doesn't claim it?

~Jae

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FA did you look at my case on Transcend? Can I get your thoughts on that please?

~Jae

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Why are you townreaing rach enough to not even question them - but you are questinong me who actually is the one who outed this first and was trying to unertan the source herself?

peitd : I said thats what she claimed not that I know its truth

WHY SHOULD IT BE SCUM architect

town architect is actually a really powerful town utility

I am TOO leaning that scum is involved in this because of knowing titus hydra being obv town

Thats why I was questioning it myself!

But its not confirmation even in slightest that its a scum utility or rach was truthful about it to me before

Math feels as though a town architect would have hinted to you already and that if not compulsive they would have been too worried about neighborizing scum and not done it from the start, I think.

We just think RM is town due to meta. We understand it's not a guarantee that she is town or that she didn't lie.

I think we should just wait on more talk of the banter until everyone posts and either someone claims it or doesn't claim it?

~Jae

Agreed.

~~Math

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I am going to bed.

~~Math

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Oh look Transcend is Town.

He's really not, and those posts weren't town indicative at all, he's just trying to damage control on interactions at this point.

But it's ok, I still love you even though I think you're his buddy. <3

~Jae

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Titus I am AFK most of the day. However these are our suggestions for shots

Transcend scum -- Nearly every post is him saying someone "scumclaimed". Then no evidence. No cases no hunting. Compare it to 1841 where he genuinely thought I was scum. There is a huge difference. Plus he said shoot us then lynch him if wrong. That just means he wants you to die for free.

LUV -- This classically meets "underperforming" as either alignment. His reads just don't make sense

NBA -- This is obvScum and trying to force a towntell.

------Abive this line was discussed by the hydra-----

Other options I think are good

Vecna -- wtf is that from Vecna compared to PyP/double deck?

KFC -- For a hydra with enough heads for et. al to be a thing I don't see too many posts here.

Postie -- JaeReed waffles on a scumread back and forth. I am starting to waffle too.

I am AFK most of the day.

I won't apologize for hunting FA when JaeReed originally called it a scumclaim not me. When we both agreed it didn't make sense. When I discuss it with another person and neither of us see it and JaeReed brings up a hydra blitz game where her reaction is the same (granted I can't read 73 pages so I take their word for it) and when they replace out freak it is Town aligned I just ugh.

I swear we were both talking about it and FA calling me an idiot over and over for not understanding and being told that she calls someone a jerk/names when they pressure her as scum and then I see the same thing and her doing what I felt like just trying to discredit us for Transcend is ugh. Maxous did the same thing without emotion.

I thought by repeatedly quoting shit they were trying to dodge our questions because they never got answered.

Last night was horrible but even after reset and talking with JaeReed reads are still similar for me.

~~Math

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I read both math and jae as obstructionists. Posting nearly 200 times but not actually organizing thoughts.

The bulk of the posts consist of
A. Grouping two players together and picking some-random moment to say those two have to be scum operating in plain sight. (But no explanation or depth as to why)

B. Posting tons about conferring with matt or conferring with Jae but returning with opposite points of view on scumreads/townreads/ even press style.

C. Driving a narrative that postie/NBA/moth had to be scum but when asked by TD to explain it--'-- there never was an explanation and that path was dropped.

D. Subsequently glitter does a full 180 on reading me as town suddenly. Justifies it by saying 1/2 heads disagrees with the other.

E. Jae claims I scumread maths press. -not actually true- I began the game on this wagon. Took a considerable hit for it and became top wagon myself. I guessed and went on gut that glitter was scum right away and at the time that wasnt math posting.

TLDR: this is a prolific posting scum. They are casting doubt among town by pitting town v town in reads saying they have to be scum together

I can explain it if you like just not when I have RL. However I didn't want to derail a possible guilty ar this time to do so to explain potential reads.

We have been explaining our beliefs in each head constantly.

JaeReed did a flip. I didn't. Hence why we quit mentioning you.
Our thoughts are organized and almost everyone except Titus sees Transcend scum.
Our reads are pretty well aligned ATM a few differences exist but not many.

~~Math

Pedit: FA how do you think the hood was made?

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You just kept posting "I am hunting" "read my posts" "Seriously you must be dumb if you don't get this"

And it is exhausting. I literally have to go now.

~~Math